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The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.19 20:45:00 - [1] Operation Daisy Cutter begins as Operation Slaughterhouse closes The Star Fraction formally declares that the second phase in the war against the Amarrian paramilitary bloc has come to a close with all objectives of Operation Slaughterhouse met. Operation Slaughterhouse saw the CVA and the Aegis Militia repeatedly declare and withdraw CONCORD-sanctioned war against the Star Fraction. It saw the Caldari State extremists of CAIN join a re-organised Aegis Militia alliance and thus fly in the colours of an Amarrian Empire loyalist paramilitary. It saw the Intaki Union fifth-columnists join the Militia and then fly apart as even this assemblage of Amarrian loyalists, Caladari ultra-nationalists and Intaki sell-swords could not turn aside the fighters of the Fraction. Those who chose to fight us and at least act in space according to their beliefs are saluted. Those who prefer the role of a ceremonial unit, tagging one or two ships onto real fighting formations are regarded with contempt. During the course of this phase, the Star Fraction inflicted 393 kills against the allied imperial and nationalist paramilitary forces for 166 losses. We have now begun Operation Daisy Cutter. This phase of the war against Amarrian imperial interests will concentrate on the Lower Domain/Upper Providence borderlands and the nullsec beyond them. The Star Fraction will fight alliances and corporations that have aggressed us without provocation and which declare loyalty to the CVA police-state and imperial proxy regime in Providence. We shall use sanctioned wars the better to attack specific vassal formations in Lower Domain. This tool of warfare will be used in parallel with an open door policy of diplomacy. Any who wish to sue for peace and neutrality or positive standings will find an audience willing to listen and conclude agreements in amity and good faith. The Star Fraction does not shoot neutrals. All alliances and corporations targeted in this operation have verifiably aggressed our pilots while showing neutral to us. Clarification on our rules of engagement or diplomatic enquiries should be addressed to Jade Constantine, The Cosmopolite or Atandros. This phase represents a development of the war on Amarrian imperialism for the Star Fraction. We naturally regard ourselves as still at war, in the widest sense, with such entities as the CVA, AM, PIE and such imperialist and nationalist formations as would support them. The tool of sanctioned warfare will be used by the Fraction where it has utility. As this no longer obtains in certain cases, we have allowed superfluous declarations to lapse. Should they become useful in the future we shall consider their use again. The CVA's attempts to foster a dependency culture in Providence and cultivate a 'garden' of compliant corporations and alliances in that region will be opposed. Those who shuck off the clammy hand of the gardener and resist attempts to train and prune them into imperial slaves will find no enemy in the Star Fraction. Those who choose to array themselves as a willing levy for their imperialist masters will be attacked ruthlessly. The war continues... The Freecaptains of the Star Fraction The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.19 21:04:00 - [2] To the residents of Lower Domain and Providence: If you find yourself in a war with Star Fraction, I would strongly encourage you to take the diplomatic route. The CVA do not require assistance against Star Fraction, and if Star Fraction indeed have no interest in pirating in Providence, there is no need for outsiders to be involved in our conflict of ideology. There's no need for war at all, outside of obvious conflict between the interests of the paramilitaries and Star Fraction. The CVA's hand of protection remains against pirates, and "loyalty" will most certainly not be called into question if you choose the most sensical way out of a needless war with these press-seeking hooligans. Thank you.
Kage Getsu Knowledge Industries Geological Research Ghosts Syndicate	Posted - 2007.05.19 21:11:00 - [3] I wish you luck. If you ever get another chance, I fully encourage you to eliminate as many members of the Intaki Union as you can. Extremists such as them reflect poorly on the whole of the Intaki people. _________________________________________________________
Verone Gallente Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.05.19 21:46:00 - [4] Good luck to the freecaptains in phase three. Give my regards to the corpses of Amarr Loyalists. >>> THE BEAUTY OF NEW EDEN <<<
CometQueen Amarr Amarr Certified News Agency	Posted - 2007.05.19 21:47:00 - [5] Hostility towards organizations that partake of the security and autonomous space the CVA have set up is a tactic ill suited to ones who would win the hearts and minds of the people. You have wars declared against the North Star Confederation and the Cold Steel Alliance but may I ask why not on the CVA itself? Cometqueen Devotee of God and the Truth
Nachshon Caldari Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.05.19 21:55:00 - [6] After quickly reviewing the current situation, I am stating my position: 200 ISK on Star Fraction They succeeded before, they are by all reports skilled at small fleet warfare, I think they will win. ____________________________________ Caldari by birth, Minmatar by citizenship. The True Meaning of Freedom
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.19 22:01:00 - [7] Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 19/05/2007 22:01:22 Originally by: CometQueen You have wars declared against the North Star Confederation and the Cold Steel Alliance but may I ask why not on the CVA itself? We comprehensively defeated and repulsed CVA in a formal empire war in phase 2 (slaughterhouse). Since they are now entirely in lowsec/nullsec there is simply no need for a concord sanctioned wardec for us to continue destroying their ships in phase 3. Star Fraction is recruiting
Avious Tylepthine Minmatar Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.05.19 22:03:00 - [8] Welcome to the fight for freedom! Although our motives may differ the end result is the same.
GulletSplitter Minmatar Colonial Fleet Services	Posted - 2007.05.19 22:07:00 - [9] Well...at least we've moved beyond the "come here and fight us"/"no we control the capital" stage of things. Be interesting to see how things play out from here.
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.19 22:09:00 - [10] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine We comprehensively defeated and repulsed CVA in a formal empire war in phase 2 (slaughterhouse). Patently false. Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Since they are now entirely in lowsec/nullsec there is simply no need for a concord sanctioned wardec for us to continue destroying their ships in phase 3. War in the larger sense has never ceased and will continue against all Amarrian bloc entities for the forseeable future. I'm going to pull a page from the Star Fraction book of propeganda: Thank you. It's about time you gave us precisely what we wanted.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.19 22:11:00 - [11] So let's get this straight - in order to free the residents of Providence and lower Domain from the "tyranny" of the CVA, the SF will be shooting at those residents. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.19 22:12:00 - [12] Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 19/05/2007 22:11:19 Originally by: Garreck Patently false. You withdrew your concord declaration with a significantly inferior combat ratio and having failed utterly to impact our ability to drive PIE from the throne worlds. We achieved all objectives of phase 1 and 2, you achieved nothing. That mr Garreck is precisely what defeat smells like. (and given the pure number of your battleships we blew up you really shouldn't be the person to be doubting the reality in space) Star Fraction is recruiting
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.19 22:25:00 - [13] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine You withdrew your concord declaration with a significantly inferior combat ratio and having failed utterly to impact our ability to drive PIE from the throne worlds. We achieved all objectives of phase 1 and 2, you achieved nothing. That mr Garreck is precisely what defeat smells like. I'm sorry. I must be reading too many Star Fraction posts. I thought defeat smelled like being camped by equal or superior forces for hours at a time. This is precisely what happened when CVA showed up to fight the Star Fraction in Amarr. Given we have responsibilities elsewhere, we made the sensible choice and dropped the war. No, we didn't blare our trumpets about it because it was quite honestly a non-event. Originally by: Jasmine Constantine (and given the pure number of your battleships we blew up you really shouldn't be the person to be doubting the reality in space) My high level of involvement against Star Fraction forces makes me supremely qualified to comment on CVA's performance. And, as it was mostly my vessels and vessels of AMDEF which fell under the guns of Star Fraction, I'll be happy to say that Star Fraction soundly defeated a numerically inferior corporation. Somehow I doubt that furthered your cause against the paramilitaries in the slightest. Welcome to the shooting gallery. Perhaps your campaign against the residents of lower Domain and Providence can yield more demonstrations of CVA firepower as was seen by Star Fraction today in Misaba.
CometQueen Amarr Amarr Certified News Agency	Posted - 2007.05.19 22:43:00 - [14] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine We comprehensively defeated and repulsed CVA in a formal empire war in phase 2 (slaughterhouse). While I donÆt want to sound doubtful of your claims I have to ask that considering the current ascendant state of the CVA alliance do you honestly feel that ôcomprehensive defeatö, or a defeat of any kind, is a fair and valid statement? Cometqueen Devotee of God and the Truth
Soratah Amarr The Aegis Militia Aegis Militia	Posted - 2007.05.19 23:04:00 - [15] Aye, Amarrian paramilitaries have this "annoying" habit of sticking together and becoming closer-knit when faced with adversity. Oh im sure a plethora of statistical analysis will follow about how Star Fraction have achieved their aims. Im not so sure that perhaps these statistics are of any particular proof that's relevant to the Amarrian paramilitaries anyway. CVA has an open door policy in regards to it's space. It doesn't control the population coming through into it's sphere of influence. It is charged to keep the peace, yes, but it's not the local constabulary. Part of the Deliverence project is to offer a relatively safe place but a certain amount of self-sufficiency is required. Considering CVA and it's allies are now on the offensive against UK forces the responsibility of safety and personal defence has been shifted more towards the locals in the region (something I may add, that they have done splendidly). It's just part of the agreement of this region.
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.19 23:10:00 - [16] Originally by: Soratah Considering CVA and it's allies are now on the offensive against UK forces the responsibility of safety and personal defence has been shifted more towards the locals in the region (something I may add, that they have done splendidly). It's just part of the agreement of this region. Fortunately this should prove more or less a non-issue, as all the locals need do, per Star Fraction terms, is ask for peace and stop engaging Star Fraction pilots in low security space. This seems entirely reasonable. Then, Star Fraction will be free and clear to come and get us instead.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.19 23:34:00 - [17] Originally by: CometQueen While I donÆt want to sound doubtful of your claims I have to ask that considering the current ascendant state of the CVA alliance do you honestly feel that ôcomprehensive defeatö, or a defeat of any kind, is a fair and valid statement? They might have briefly been "in the ascendent" in Providence. But in the Throne Worlds their intervention was an abject failure and took a far higher ratio of casualties achieving minimal levels of suppression and ultimately failing in their mission to relieve PIE. Still, don't take my word for it look at the ship kills/losses on our public records. Star Fraction is recruiting
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.19 23:35:00 - [18] Originally by: Garreck Welcome to the shooting gallery. Perhaps your campaign against the residents of lower Domain and Providence can yield more demonstrations of CVA firepower as was seen by Star Fraction today in Misaba. Funny, I'm seeing nothing much but dead collaborators on our records. Star Fraction is recruiting
Bacchanalian Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.20 00:18:00 - [19] Originally by: Soratah Aye, Amarrian paramilitaries have this "annoying" habit of sticking together and becoming closer-knit when faced with adversity. If that were the case, Soratah, I'm afraid PIE would have done more to support AM while you were all slowly reduced from battleship-class and recon-class vessels to tech 1 frigates and shuttles while they hid in nullsec under CVA's skirts. In fact, if our past campaigns have taught me anything, it's that Amarrian paramilitaries know next to nothing about sticking together, and everything about finding a willing fool to send to the front likes as cannon fodder whilst high-tailing it at top speed as far away from the fighting as possible. Star Fraction is recruiting, join the revolution!
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.20 00:33:00 - [20] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Funny, I'm seeing nothing much but dead collaborators on our records. Sweet lord, I'm going cross-eyed. You're right. The point about demonstrations of firepower still stands, of course
Mistress Butterfly Amarr Khanidco	Posted - 2007.05.20 00:40:00 - [21] Edited by: Mistress Butterfly on 20/05/2007 00:40:12 I am sure the star fraction will destroy the cva as soon as they are done destroying the weak people who rely on them just like they destroyed the kimotoro directive. Both are fostering a culture of dependence and both will be eliminated by the star fraction one has been destroyed already and the destroying of cva will begin soon I am sure so say your prayers cva your end is soon I am sure. Mistress Butterfly We sell researched BPOs and Khanid made ships!
Pezzle Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.20 00:55:00 - [22] You talk too much, Constantine. I am sure your behavior gains you much fawning from your subjects in the halls of personality though. Residents of Providence have nothing to fear. Simply stay out of the way. Let the anarchists cry for the validation they obviously desperately need from Loyalists. It changes nothing.
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.20 01:12:00 - [23] Originally by: Mistress Butterfly I am sure the star fraction will destroy the cva as soon as they are done destroying the weak people who rely on them just like they destroyed the kimotoro directive. Both are fostering a culture of dependence and both will be eliminated by the star fraction one has been destroyed already and the destroying of cva will begin soon I am sure so say your prayers cva your end is soon I am sure. ...are you sure?
Namingway Important Yet Underrated Video Game Characters	Posted - 2007.05.20 02:36:00 - [24] Originally by: Mistress Butterfly Edited by: Mistress Butterfly on 20/05/2007 00:40:12 I am sure the star fraction will destroy the cva as soon as they are done destroying the weak people who rely on them just like they destroyed the kimotoro directive. Both are fostering a culture of dependence and both will be eliminated by the star fraction one has been destroyed already and the destroying of cva will begin soon I am sure so say your prayers cva your end is soon I am sure. Mistress Butterfly It's more likely that Star Fraction is going to toot its own horn repeatedly any time something doesn't go in CVA's favor, since we all know CVA only have to fight Star Fraction, just as PIE never had threats in empire-space before Star Fraction came along. And Star Fraction killed Kimotoro? Funny, it looked more like the conplete conflict in ideals of its members killed it.
Sami Yahn'ko Gallente The Butterfly Rebellion	Posted - 2007.05.20 04:06:00 - [25] The struggle is never ending. Freedom is never truly won. You win it and lose it in every generation. Best of luck to you with this one, Free Captains.
Nomakai Delateriel Amarr A Better Future	Posted - 2007.05.20 16:53:00 - [26] Originally by: Garreck Originally by: Mistress Butterfly snip ...are you sure? Judging from her GalNet and business records she's most likely a frontman (frontwoman?) for Star Fraction (or Blooder) Business. Of course she's certain, however that certainty might have nothing to do what so ever with reality. ...and it looks like the Star Fraction is on its way to adopting an INFOD-style "business model". However INFOD had their successes (as those go) due to the particulary unique nature of Molden Heath and the alliances in that region. I don't think it will be all that successful in Providence, even if it's the best thing the SF can do to make any impact what so ever, as they have little chance of even challenging CVA in a POS war without the support of more powerful entities. ______________________________________________ -You can never earn my respect, only lose it. It's given freely, and only grudgingly retracted when necessary.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.20 17:00:00 - [27] Originally by: Nomakai Delateriel ... even if it's the best thing the SF can do to make any impact what so ever, as they have little chance of even challenging CVA in a POS war without the support of more powerful entities. We consider shooting the leader of the CVA out of his flashy command cruisers on a regular basis quite satisfying Star Fraction is recruiting
Nomakai Delateriel Amarr A Better Future	Posted - 2007.05.20 18:39:00 - [28] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine We consider shooting the leader of the CVA out of his flashy command cruisers on a regular basis quite satisfying I'm sure some "pew pew" is quite satisfying. But to stop the opponent from coming back you don't just have to shoot your opponents ships, you have to prevent them from getting new ones or make it sufficently boring/frustrating that they rather abandon the region/goal that is disputed. Either that or achieve local space superiority at any critical position. Since you're trying to "crush your enemy" those critical positions are whereever your opponent wants them to be. For example at a certain UK outpost, or in the defense of stations and outposts or for example escorting important political individuals. You're doing the blowing up ships part (and getting your own ships blown up). However every ship you blew up were ships that your opponent decided was surplus and not mission critical, nor in a mission critical area. ...and I hope you realise the futility in that. You've been conducting a pure PR-ops. But this is actually the first step (as feeble as it is) where you're actually targetting the ability to get new ships (regional commerce). What your impact will be depends on how much you can hamper commerce and material requisitions. Since you're not targetting their POS network OR have enough people to maintain total space superiority in Providence that impact will be limited at best. ______________________________________________ -You can never earn my respect, only lose it. It's given freely, and only grudgingly retracted when necessary.
Tharrn Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2007.05.20 19:38:00 - [29] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Nomakai Delateriel ... even if it's the best thing the SF can do to make any impact what so ever, as they have little chance of even challenging CVA in a POS war without the support of more powerful entities. We consider shooting the leader of the CVA out of his flashy command cruisers on a regular basis quite satisfying Are you sure you even know who the leader of the CVA is? It doesn't appear so. Ceterum censeo 'Concordia' esse delendam.
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.20 20:07:00 - [30] Well I'm sure the Star Fraction won't fall to the level of hypocrisy again.... Thus I'm sure as they've made a previous case that someone (yours truly) is a business "failure" due to a smaller T2 portfolio then theirs that they are now going to stand up and proudly proclaim they themselves are failures since the CVA T2 portfolio makes theirs look like a "pathetic joke" (their words to describe mine). After all they'd be hypocrites if they didn't and you know they claim they're not.... Archbishop PIE WEBSITE ARCHBISHOP'S BLOG
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.20 21:55:00 - [31] Originally by: Archbishop Thus I'm sure as they've made a previous case that someone (yours truly) is a business "failure" due to a smaller T2 portfolio then theirs that they are now going to stand up and proudly proclaim they themselves are failures since the CVA T2 portfolio makes theirs look like a "pathetic joke" (their words to describe mine). Archbishop Since we have a far better tech2 portfolio than the CVA's your point is somewhat (and hilariously) self defeating I think. Star Fraction is recruiting
Solusar Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.20 22:06:00 - [32] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 19/05/2007 22:11:19 Originally by: Garreck Patently false. You withdrew your concord declaration with a significantly inferior combat ratio and having failed utterly to impact our ability to drive PIE from the throne worlds. We achieved all objectives of phase 1 and 2, you achieved nothing. That mr Garreck is precisely what defeat smells like. (and given the pure number of your battleships we blew up you really shouldn't be the person to be doubting the reality in space) We withdrew the declaration after three weeks of no fighting. If you want to fight us, declare on us. If not, keep up the war of words on the communication networks. In those three weeks 61 CVA vessels were destroyed for 58 Star Fraction vessels. Hardly a significantly inferior combat ratio. A small raiding force will always achieve far more kills than loses against a larger enemy, at least it should. Now the war has moved to Providence you need to feel you are involved im sure and we will hear some excellent fiction in regards to that in the near future. Keep up the "good" work for the locals of lower domain. Im sure your policy of shooting everything that moves is converting them to your ideals?
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.20 22:20:00 - [33] Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 20/05/2007 22:19:57 Originally by: Solusar We withdrew the declaration after three weeks of no fighting. "no fighting" which cost you and your allies 600 ships. (adding together the various amarrian bloc entities and not including their hired mercenaries) over the duration of "judas goat and slaughterhouse". Star Fraction is recruiting
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.20 22:42:00 - [34] Quote: Since we have a far better tech2 portfolio than the CVA's your point is somewhat (and hilariously) self defeating I think. Really? Amazing! I recall on another media outlet you mentioning an exact number of T2 BPOs and I also know how many CVA has (and it's quite a bit more). But if you want to give people the impression you're NAGA2 thats fine as well as given your history it's what we expect. After all the pressure to "win" everything must be intense so we'll all cut you some slack. Archbishop PIE WEBSITE ARCHBISHOP'S BLOG
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.20 22:48:00 - [35] Originally by: Archbishop Quote: Since we have a far better tech2 portfolio than the CVA's your point is somewhat (and hilariously) self defeating I think. Really? Amazing! I recall on another media outlet you mentioning an exact number of T2 BPOs and I also know how many CVA has (and it's quite a bit more). But if you want to give people the impression you're NAGA2 thats fine as well as given your history it's what we expect. After all the pressure to "win" everything must be intense so we'll all cut you some slack. Archbishop We know where we rank in the list of tech2 producers in Eve archbishop, never you mind your little head about it. Star Fraction is recruiting
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.20 23:00:00 - [36] Who me? I'm not worried. I look forward to you posting those rankings here or providing a link as I'd love to see them. I'm sure with my measly five T2 BPO and the Zealot and Malediction production of PIE we're not high at all probably number 595 or something. Either way we don't consider ourselves better then anyone else because of it that would be unbridled arrogance after all. I know plenty of people who have one T2 BPO who do very well and I'm happy for them. I wouldn't think of myself as "extraordinary" becasue of anything save that I am Amarrian. Still I'd like to see the rankings so please do tell. I'm sure everyone else here would like to see them as well. Archbishop PIE WEBSITE ARCHBISHOP'S BLOG
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.20 23:09:00 - [37] Originally by: Archbishop Who me? I'm not worried. I look forward to you posting those rankings here or providing a link as I'd love to see them. I'm sure with my measly five T2 BPO and the Zealot and Malediction production of PIE we're not high at all probably number 595 or something. Still I'd like to see the rankings so please do tell. I'm sure everyone else here would like to see them as well. I've told you before Archbishop, we make as many tech2 ships for sale each week than you and your little helpers make tech1. Easier to say what we don't have at this point. But the reason I mention this of course is simply to refute your own crazed logic from a few posts ago. CVA might well have a greater tech2 production than PIE, but its a long way short of the big boys in the advanced technology market. Try something else to hit us with Archbishop, your recent attacks have been an excercise in mediocrity to be brutally honest. Star Fraction is recruiting
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.20 23:31:00 - [38] Edited by: Archbishop on 20/05/2007 23:29:17 Quote: I've told you before Archbishop, we make as many tech2 ships for sale each week than you and your little helpers make tech1. Easier to say what we don't have at this point. But the reason I mention this of course is simply to refute your own crazed logic from a few posts ago. CVA might well have a greater tech2 production than PIE, but its a long way short of the big boys in the advanced technology market. And you are one of the "big boys in advanced technology" then? Great to hear. Now about those rankings? I'm sure you're just chomping at the bit to post them so you can humiliate the CVA and call them "failures as businessmen" as well. After all with their 70+ T2 BPO's I'm sure you're just walking all over them right? Heck I'm sure even NAGA doesn't have your influece on T2. Wow. Archbishop PIE WEBSITE ARCHBISHOP'S BLOG
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.20 23:35:00 - [39] Hmm that brings up another question then. I do quite a bit of T2 resale to other regions every now and then and I don't recall ever buying something from a member of Star Fraction (and I do check). I know when I say I sell 500 ships a week I mean Archbishop and Gaius Vermillion our shipwright built and sold them and my name is on every one. I fly around in a Bestower and a Freighter myself delivering things to sell. Likewise I've purchased from CVA and their names are on every transaction record. Where is the Star Fraction? Archbishop PIE WEBSITE ARCHBISHOP'S BLOG
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.20 23:36:00 - [40] Originally by: Archbishop Now about those rankings? I'm sure you're just chomping at the bit to post them so you can humiliate the CVA and call them "failures as businessmen" as well. After all with their 70+ T2 BPO's I'm sure you're just walking all over them right? Heck I'm sure even NAGA doesn't have your influece on T2. Wow. Archbishop NAGA and Khatred have a lot more than we do. We on the other hand have a lot more than the CVA. You might it a little embarrassing that your idols and protectors cannot match your hated rivals for high technology but I imagine they worry more about fighting wars in space. Sorry Archie, you are a failure as an industrialist and even trying to ride along on the (slightly ragged) coat-tails of your friends won't help you wash out the scent of mediocrity and lacklustre busy savvy. Star Fraction is recruiting
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.20 23:39:00 - [41] Originally by: Archbishop Where is the Star Fraction? For being such a T2 "big boy" you'd think in all these years of personally running to Jita twice a month and selling all over Amarr buying and reselling T2 I'd have bought at least one thing from your alliance. Why on earth would you buy one of our fine spaceships - its not like you ever actually do much fighting is it ? Star Fraction is recruiting
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.20 23:50:00 - [42] Edited by: Archbishop on 20/05/2007 23:49:37 Quote: Sorry Archie, you are a failure as an industrialist and even trying to ride along on the (slightly ragged) coat-tails of your friends won't help you wash out the scent of mediocrity and lacklustre busy savvy. There's no need to get personal Jasmine after all I asked some honest questions. If you don't want to answer them thats fine. I see again you've resorted to personal insult and diversion to avoid answering a question but thats OK. As for being a 'failure' I'd contend that people are only failures if they allow themselves to think of themselves that way. I'm very happy with my financial situation and my production prowess and sadly for you nothing you say will change that. Don't forget after all I have many planetside duties and a company to run I don't have as much command interface time as I'd like. I'm lucky most weeks to get ten hours of ship command interface time anymore. But planetside duties have to take priority as there are bills to pay even for the faithful of God. I do realize some people have no planetside duties of merit or success but at least they can make up for those in space and feel better about themselves. I will point out my latest sermon to you if you'd like a little religious reading this evening. Perhaps you'll give it a read and do some repenting? While it's for the benefit of Amarrians and not directed at anyone but them I don't mind if an anarchist like yourself takes a peek. Quote: Why on earth would you buy one of our fine spaceships - its not like you ever actually do much fighting is it? Actually you'll note I said I do T2 resale. I can build just about anything but I'm not even qualified in HACs. So the question stands if you'd care to answer it. If not that's fine too. If you don't want to though just say you don't want to and dispense with the personal attacks and diversions please. Archbishop PIE WEBSITE ARCHBISHOP'S BLOG
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.20 23:54:00 - [43] Anyway it has been as intellectually stimulating as always Jasmine. I must retire for a few days of planetside duties so I will take my leave of you now. Archbishop PIE WEBSITE ARCHBISHOP'S BLOG
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.20 23:58:00 - [44] Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 20/05/2007 23:58:59 Originally by: Archbishop Don't forget after all I have many planetside duties and a company to run I don't have as much command interface time as I'd like. I'm lucky most weeks to get ten hours of ship command interface time anymore. But planetside duties have to take priority as there are bills to pay even for the faithful of God. I do realize some people have no planetside duties of merit or success but at least they can make up for those in space and feel better about themselves. What exactly are you trying to say here? It almost seems like you are claiming you lead some simulated other life away from the capsule and think your imaginary success there makes up for your total failure in the eve star cluster as a warrior, propagandist or industrial magnate? I confess to being confused - is this why you were unable to "defend the empire" in the recent war? Star Fraction is recruiting
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.21 00:02:00 - [45] Edited by: Archbishop on 21/05/2007 00:05:05 Just that due to my continuous duties planetside I am not able to participate in combat operations as much as I'd prefer. Sitting behind a desk running a business isn't as stimulating as flying into combat aboard one of my Battleships yet it still must be done. I realize some have no planetside life, no family, no obligations, thus they are able to put forth much more effort in space for their Empire. No one is better than the other as we all serve in our own way. Sorry but I must retire for the evening now. Archbishop Edit for clarity: When I say planetside I mean home on Chaven or Tash-Murkon. The duties of administration are many. There is no "other life" outside the Eve cluster after all and I am certainly not ignorant enough to believe there is. PIE WEBSITE ARCHBISHOP'S BLOG
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.21 00:07:00 - [46] Originally by: Archbishop I realize some have no planetside life, no family, no obligations, thus they are able to put forth much more effort in space for their Empire. Didn't see much evidence of this in the recent war ... Star Fraction is recruiting
Vantras Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.21 17:34:00 - [47] This thread just about proves that Jasmine will argue about ANYTHING to maintain some level of relevance. Lets push the theory a slight bit more.... Jasmine: "the best color in the universe is RED!"...
Solusar Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.21 17:37:00 - [48] Originally by: Vantras This thread just about proves that Jasmine will argue about ANYTHING to maintain some level of relevance. Lets push the theory a slight bit more.... Jasmine: "the best color in the universe is RED!"... *****s the whip Its quite clearly gold.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.21 17:45:00 - [49] Originally by: Vantras This thread just about proves that Jasmine will argue about ANYTHING to maintain some level of relevance. Lets push the theory a slight bit more.... Jasmine: "the best color in the universe is RED!"... It actually proves that Archbishop is incapable of following the OP of announcement threads since if you'd care to look at his first post he makes the rather ridiculous (and incorrect) claim that by having a larger tech2 portfolio than SF (CVA) were somehow superior to us. Now I understand that Amarrian bloc loyalists are always blinkered to the faults of their companions but for the benefit of the neutral audience I'm always on hand to point out these little hypocrisies as they arise. Star Fraction is recruiting
Tharrn Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2007.05.21 17:46:00 - [50] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine NAGA and Khatred have a lot more than we do. We on the other hand have a lot more than the CVA. You might find it a little embarrassing that your idols and protectors cannot match your hated rivals for high technology but I imagine they worry more about fighting wars in space. Sorry Archie, you are a failure as an industrialist and even trying to ride along on the (slightly ragged) coat-tails of your friends won't help you wash out the scent of mediocrity and lacklustre business savvy. Without any proof (which you understandably won't give in any case) it's just hollow words. People know by now that you just have to be best at anything. 'Proof or STFU'. Your 'propaganda' and 'pysops' have recently fallen into medocrity, too. In fact you are getting very boring. Ceterum censeo 'Concordia' esse delendam.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.21 17:49:00 - [51] Originally by: Tharrn Your 'propaganda' and 'pysops' have recently fallen into medocrity, too. In fact you are getting very boring. And yet you just can't ignore it. Must be a very hollow life you lead Tharrn when you are endlessly drawn like a suicidal moth to the flame of our accomplishments to burn away your little wings ... Star Fraction is recruiting
Ruah Piskonit Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.22 04:12:00 - [52] Edited by: Ruah Piskonit on 22/05/2007 04:12:29 It seems like SF takes a stab at the Loyalist block every year or so. . . I am begining to think that this has become a ritual of some sort to commemorate something. After so many years, I fear I need to start keeping a record of which 'Operation' SF have thought up to pass the time - because they are all starting to sound the same to my old ears. ----
KhanJohn Amarr Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.05.22 09:37:00 - [53] I must sya though from an outside perspective its great to watch you guys retort and rip each other new ones every five minutes Khanjohn chuckles
Kade Jeekin Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.05.22 10:08:00 - [54] I am happy for them to snipe away at each other in their own threads - it's when it spreads to all threads where Jasmine posts that it gets boring. --------------------------------------- Outface the depths of evil with clarity ---------------------------------------
Gaius Kador PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.22 10:21:00 - [55] It is indeed unfortunate, chimp-breed, but Constantspins' vanity ensures her posting everywhere. ----------------------------------------------
KhanJohn Amarr Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.05.22 10:25:00 - [56] perhaps we should make a CVA VERSUS SF THREAD Khanjohn chuckles again
Sidyous Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.22 10:28:00 - [57] Edited by: Sidyous on 22/05/2007 10:27:50 Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Nomakai Delateriel ... even if it's the best thing the SF can do to make any impact what so ever, as they have little chance of even challenging CVA in a POS war without the support of more powerful entities. We consider shooting the leader of the CVA out of his flashy command cruisers on a regular basis quite satisfying I'd like to see evidence of this. -----------------------------------------------
Elsebeth Rhiannon Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.05.22 10:48:00 - [58] Someone hand me the popcorn. -- Help us defend the Republic; join Gradient now. "When pirates hate your guts, you know you are doing something right."
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.22 15:59:00 - [59] Originally by: Sidyous I'd like to see evidence of this. You know where to look. Star Fraction is recruiting
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.22 16:01:00 - [60] Originally by: Kade Jeekin I am happy for them to snipe away at each other in their own threads - it's when it spreads to all threads where Jasmine posts that it gets boring. Sadly Kade, its all these guys can too. Having lost to us in space the galnet campaign of aggressively stalking their enemies and then calling them "irrelevant" seems to be the only thing left in their arsenal. Of course 24/7 forum spamming an enemy for its "irrelevence" is a logical flaw that only non-amarrian-nationalists seem to be able to spot ... Star Fraction is recruiting
Sidyous Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.22 22:19:00 - [61] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Sidyous I'd like to see evidence of this. You know where to look. My dearest Jasmine, After consulting your own records I have come to the conclusion that you are delusional, in the entire war you have destroyed none of my ships, thank you for confirming what I already suspected. I hope that if you check you will find exactly the same, if not someone will have begun faking statistics. Kindest Regards ----------------------------------------------- Lord Sidyous CEO Auctoritan Syndicate Leader of the CVA
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.22 22:40:00 - [62] Originally by: Sidyous After consulting your own records I have come to the conclusion that you are delusional, in the entire war you have destroyed none of my ships, thank you for confirming what I already suspected. I hope that if you check you will find exactly the same, if not someone will have begun faking statistics. We are of course talking about Aralis not his pet squirrel... Star Fraction is recruiting
Sidyous Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.22 23:09:00 - [63] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Sidyous After consulting your own records I have come to the conclusion that you are delusional, in the entire war you have destroyed none of my ships, thank you for confirming what I already suspected. I hope that if you check you will find exactly the same, if not someone will have begun faking statistics. We are of course talking about Aralis not his pet squirrel... Oh what whit there Jasmine still does not change the fact that you lied. Perhaps you should modify or retract the statement before people start finding other such flaws in Star fraction comments, that is of course if there are still people around who believe Star Fraction statements. Perphaps Amarrian space is not quite as quiet as it used to be when you lot are around but i'd hardly call it unsafe. ----------------------------------------------- Lord Sidyous CEO Auctoritan Syndicate Leader of the CVA
Nachshon Caldari Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.05.22 23:12:00 - [64] Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon Someone hand me the popcorn. Give me a minute takes a microwave crystal from the hangar There. And would you care to answer my bet from the first page? ____________________________________ Caldari by birth, Minmatar by citizenship. The True Meaning of Freedom
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.23 00:24:00 - [65] Originally by: Sidyous Oh what whit there Jasmine still does not change the fact that you lied. Lied how? Are you claiming to be the leader of CVA now? Star Fraction is recruiting
The Recordkeeper Caldari Keepers of Knowledge	Posted - 2007.05.23 01:50:00 - [66] Edited by: The Recordkeeper on 23/05/2007 01:51:14 Quote: Lied how? Are you claiming to be the leader of CVA now? The Keepers of Knowledge have Mr.Sidyous listed as the leader of the CVA and have had him as such for several months as the note below all his posts does indicate. We shall attempt to locate the original date of his promotion to publish in our official record. The Recordkeeper
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.23 01:58:00 - [67] Originally by: The Recordkeeper Edited by: The Recordkeeper on 23/05/2007 01:51:14 Quote: Lied how? Are you claiming to be the leader of CVA now? The Keepers of Knowledge have Mr.Sidyous listed as the leader of the CVA and have had him as such for several months as the note below all his posts does indicate. We shall attempt to locate the original date of his promotion to publish in our official record. The Recordkeeper Ironically we were told by CVA pilots that Aralis was the leader of the CVA some time ago. At the time we had no reason to disbelieve them ... Star Fraction is recruiting
The Recordkeeper Caldari Keepers of Knowledge	Posted - 2007.05.23 02:07:00 - [68] It is probably just an oversight and nothing to be made political fodder out of on the part of either side. In our assembly of the records for our archives we have encountered many things that are different from what they appear and these errors in records are usually just cases of miscommunication or keying errors from other record staff. This is why our mission as Keepers of Knowledge is so important because the accumulation of accurate records is essential to the universe that we may pass it down through the generations to our children and their children after that. The Recordkeeper
Gaven Lok'ri Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.23 06:18:00 - [69] Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 23/05/2007 06:16:12 For the unobservant. Deus Vult! PIE Website Public Channel: 'PIE Public'
Elsebeth Rhiannon Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.05.23 07:54:00 - [70] Originally by: Nachshon There. And would you care to answer my bet from the first page? If I bet I bet (or offer bounties, for that matter), I do it for sums that actually matter. The bet is also ill-defined: in case of pilot wars, defining final victory is difficult where both sides are established organizations and unlikely to surrender. Bets like this need a time limit and a specific condition. Talk to me somewhere more private, we'll see what I can offer. ;) -- Help us defend the Republic; join Gradient now. "When pirates hate your guts, you know you are doing something right."
Vyktor Abyss The Abyss Corporation	Posted - 2007.05.23 10:11:00 - [71] Edited by: Vyktor Abyss on 23/05/2007 10:10:43 Originally by: Jasmine Constantine We consider shooting the leader of the CVA out of his flashy command cruisers on a regular basis quite satisfying Irony is a marvellous thing...especially when I only feature 1 of Jasmine's 2 HAC losses to CVA & Friends that same day. 'Satisfaction' I appreciate your open door diplomatic policy regarding neutrals Star Fraction, however it is too 'satisfying' shooting your verbose, windbag of a leader to stop. - Ideas are my business...maybe thats why I'm always skint! Please read my ideas
Sable Schroedinger Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.23 12:07:00 - [72] and here I was believing that linking to a killboard was against IGS rules... That said, you shot Jade... anymore news? Think you should come back when you actually have something to crow about - this just makes you look like you're clutching at straws. -------------------------------------------- Join Now
Tharrn Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2007.05.23 12:14:00 - [73] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Sidyous Oh what whit there Jasmine still does not change the fact that you lied. Lied how? Are you claiming to be the leader of CVA now? Shows how good your 'intel' really is. You couldn't come across more clueless. Ceterum censeo 'Concordia' esse delendam.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.23 12:44:00 - [74] Originally by: Vyktor Abyss Edited by: Vyktor Abyss on 23/05/2007 10:10:43 Originally by: Jasmine Constantine We consider shooting the leader of the CVA out of his flashy command cruisers on a regular basis quite satisfying Irony is a marvellous thing...especially when I only feature 1 of Jasmine's 2 HAC losses to CVA & Friends that same day. 'Satisfaction' I appreciate your open door diplomatic policy regarding neutrals Star Fraction, however it is too 'satisfying' shooting your verbose, windbag of a leader to stop. CVA are in the habit of double-counting kills. You should check your facts there and I'd advise you to cross-reference with the public SF database which is considerably more accurate. Suffice to say your statement above is both inaccurate and in contradiction to the specific rules of this part of Galnet. Star Fraction is recruiting
Vyktor Abyss The Abyss Corporation	Posted - 2007.05.23 16:24:00 - [75] If it was indeed only one lost HAC you suffered that day then its me not listening carefully in the intel channel. My apologies - but the irony stands, and I personally find it quite humourous is all. Regarding the SF published killboard - perhaps one of you gallant antogonists would like to direct me to that via a mail. Anyway I must take a leave of abscence from this conflict for week or two, while I perform best-man duties for a friend back on errm...Luminaire. I sincerely hope you're onto your next phase of plans by then and look forward to more action. Regards, Vyk. - Ideas are my business...maybe thats why I'm always skint! Please read my ideas
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.23 16:28:00 - [76] Originally by: Vyktor Abyss If it was indeed only one lost HAC you suffered that day then its me not listening carefully in the intel channel. My apologies - but the irony stands, and I personally find it quite humourous is all. I lost no ships that day mr Abyss. But on my cousin's specific loss, why is it humourous? The executor of a fighting alliance loses ships in combat. Why should that surprise anyone really? Jade's good at fighting but hardly a one woman juggernaut with invulnerable shields and instant-kill death lasers. If we are going to fight a war we're going to take losses - thats spaceship fighting. Star Fraction is recruiting
Vyktor Abyss The Abyss Corporation	Posted - 2007.05.23 16:36:00 - [77] Right you are... Then my time is wasted upon you. - Ideas are my business...maybe thats why I'm always skint! Please read my ideas
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.23 16:37:00 - [78] Originally by: Vyktor Abyss Right you are... Then my time is wasted upon you. What because we expect to lose ships while fighting a war? Star Fraction is recruiting
Tomahawk Bliss Minmatar	Posted - 2007.05.24 00:46:00 - [79] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Vyktor Abyss If it was indeed only one lost HAC you suffered that day then its me not listening carefully in the intel channel. My apologies - but the irony stands, and I personally find it quite humourous is all. I lost no ships that day mr Abyss. But on my cousin's specific loss, why is it humourous? The executor of a fighting alliance loses ships in combat. Why should that surprise anyone really? Jade's good at fighting but hardly a one woman juggernaut with invulnerable shields and instant-kill death lasers. If we are going to fight a war we're going to take losses - thats spaceship fighting. you missed the deeper point. you made a loud post about killing Aralis, yet here you are saying shooting notable people is no big deal when it was one of your own. he was being nice and trying to lead you to the point, but you either missed it or choose to ignore the hypocrisy. either we can all agree everyone dies eventually, some are just louder about it than others Gogo Yubari> You can't destroy your enemy with the power of thought alone like many forum-warriors seem to think. GLBTA Channel
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.24 11:00:00 - [80] Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss you missed the deeper point. you made a loud post about killing Aralis, yet here you are saying shooting notable people is no big deal when it was one of your own. he was being nice and trying to lead you to the point, but you either missed it or choose to ignore the hypocrisy. either we can all agree everyone dies eventually, some are just louder about it than others Actually, it is you that missed the point, though it is not a particularly deep one. The Star Fraction does not say that the CVA are doing nothing in space. Others, hooting from the sidelines, choose to claim that the Star Fraction is of no moment and does nothing. Jasmine merely pointed out that we have shot down notables in the CVA in refutation of the suggestion that we are of no import. The destruction of a ship flown by Jade Constantine is as significant as the destruction of a ship flown by a CVA notable. You and Viktor Abyss, indeed, implicitly acknowledge this when you try to say there is an irony in the comparable nature of the events. In fact, the irony is that you both came to this acknowledgement and I am not altogether sure you intended that. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Vyktor Abyss The Abyss Corporation	Posted - 2007.05.24 13:11:00 - [81] Edited by: Vyktor Abyss on 24/05/2007 13:24:45 For heavens sake...You're spouting more waffle to try to counter-argument what is glaringly obvious to everyone?!? That you're so self-important and trumped-up as a group that you're unable to be self-effacing and have a laugh (albeit at yourselves) when there is a funny irony of your leader tooting her own horn about destroying CVA leaders, only to get destroyed herself. It is classic comical tragedy. The tragedy now is that you're blowing more hot air than a drunken bagpiper in an effort to counter-argument, back-pedal and put positive spin on what was essentially a joke. I give up on you. I've been unfair though - at least a drunken bagpiper would be amusing. - Ideas are my business...maybe thats why I'm always skint! Please read my ideas
Tomahawk Bliss Minmatar	Posted - 2007.05.25 02:29:00 - [82] Edited by: Tomahawk Bliss on 25/05/2007 02:27:48 Originally by: Vyktor Abyss Edited by: Vyktor Abyss on 24/05/2007 13:24:45 For heavens sake...You're spouting more waffle to try to counter-argument what is glaringly obvious to everyone?!? That you're so self-important and trumped-up as a group that you're unable to be self-effacing and have a laugh (albeit at yourselves) when there is a funny irony of your leader tooting her own horn about destroying CVA leaders, only to get destroyed herself. It is classic comical tragedy. The tragedy now is that you're blowing more hot air than a drunken bagpiper in an effort to counter-argument, back-pedal and put positive spin on what was essentially a joke. I give up on you. I've been unfair though - at least a drunken bagpiper would be amusing. oh don't give up on them, we all know the humor in the situtation and so does he. cosmo's above post is a prime exsample of how he gropes for some sort of retort. I appreciate it actually, most people who caught in a fumbled foot-to-mouth hilarity like Jassy there just say "screw you!" or "you bastard!" or "War dec or STFU!"...but not cosmo. He has class. Gogo Yubari> You can't destroy your enemy with the power of thought alone like many forum-warriors seem to think. GLBTA Channel

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