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Parsee789
Immaterial and Missing Power
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Posted - 2011.12.31 14:01:00 -
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Logistics can really determine the fate of the battle and the fleet will do their best to keep their logistics alive.
Since you can no longer Doomsday Logistics or other Subcaps(which is lame since a Titan should be able to kill anything by itself)
What is the best weapon and ship that can be used to destroy logistic ships before the opposing fleet can respond? |

Killstealing
Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild
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Posted - 2011.12.31 15:06:00 -
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10 maels |

tofucake prime
The Hatchery Team Liquid
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Posted - 2011.12.31 16:00:00 -
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10 nados |

St Mio
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.12.31 16:09:00 -
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10 ferox
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Killstealing
Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild
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Posted - 2011.12.31 16:11:00 -
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a falcon |

Kessiaan
Greater Order Of Destruction Happy Endings
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Posted - 2011.12.31 16:32:00 -
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an Arazu with damps |

Taedrin
Kushan Industrial
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Posted - 2011.12.31 17:41:00 -
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Recons (except for Minmatar). A single non-minmatar recon can effectively shut down a single guardian and then a bit more. The curse can cap out a guardian within 30 seconds. Arazu/Lachesis can make it so that the guardian can't finish targetting anyone until after they are dead. Falcon/Rook can permajam them provided they are fit for the task.
I suppose a rapier/huginn could web and target paint individual guardians making them much easier to hit (a logi's main defense is its low sig radius and speed from its AB/MWD), but that depends on having enough ships for the job. |

Gritz1
Ice Fire Warriors
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Posted - 2011.12.31 19:30:00 -
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Not destroying it, but doing so in one sense is def ewar ships. Sensor damp then down to nothing or perma jam is always a good tactic (and incredibly frustrating) |

ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
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Posted - 2011.12.31 21:50:00 -
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An energy neutralizer or two on every ship in your fleet. Tell everyone to select their own neutralizing targets while focusing on the "primary." "Just because I seem like an idiot, doesn't mean I am one." ~Unknown |

Pinaculus
Insanely Twisted
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Posted - 2011.12.31 23:01:00 -
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Parsee789 wrote:Logistics can really determine the fate of the battle and the fleet will do their best to keep their logistics alive.
Since you can no longer Doomsday Logistics or other Subcaps(which is lame since a Titan should be able to kill anything by itself)
What is the best weapon and ship that can be used to destroy logistic ships before the opposing fleet can respond?
The first thing I was ever told in EVE when I asked about flying Logi was, "Don't bother. You'll just get primaried off the field before anything else happens."
That was two years ago, and it's nice to see a lot has changed. Now, my advice to a new player would be, "Don't bother. You'll just get ECMed/Damped/Neuted then primaried off the field before anything else happens."
I know sometimes it's difficult to realize just how much you spend on incidental things each month or year, but seriously, EVE is very cheap entertainment compared to most things... If you are a smoker, smoke one less pack a week and pay for EVE, with money left over to pick up a cheap bundle of flowers for the EVE widow upstairs. |

Julia Connor
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.12.31 23:22:00 -
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"E" "SHE" "M" |

Jack Miton
Lapse Of Sanity Narwhals Ate My Duck
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Posted - 2012.01.01 03:10:00 -
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bhaalgorn. |

MrGeckoli
Crash and Burn Academy
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Posted - 2012.01.01 20:08:00 -
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An arty fleet with enough volley to knock a average skilled logi pilot out of the fight in one go.
Bhaalgorn would work well if we are talking less than 4 logis, but then again you could just use two curses for the same job.... but know they will both die horrible deaths within 2 minutes, but break their logis so worth it. |

ValentinaDLM
Unofficial Master Kuvakei Fan Club
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Posted - 2012.01.02 00:02:00 -
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I would prefer 100 :)
Failing that, I guess you could be like other people and bring arty mael/nado/canes/thrashers in sufficient numbers. It would never be as cool as a ferox.
P.S. Stalking in a Mio thread. |

Herman Klaus
Touched By Klaus
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Posted - 2012.01.02 02:48:00 -
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Damp them down. ECCM is fit alot but not many fit SeBo |

Daniel L'Siata
Echelon Conflict Resolution. Dragoons.
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Posted - 2012.01.02 06:08:00 -
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Parsee789 wrote: Since you can no longer Doomsday Logistics or other Subcaps(which is lame since a Titan should be able to kill anything by itself)
Lost all interest in post about there. Also, e-war, just about anything works. My Bhaal can shut down more or less an entire Logi group with well placed and timed neuts. |

EMO JAck
KOS Coyotes
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Posted - 2012.01.02 07:11:00 -
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Lachy with boosters, tankle canes , arty ships, shield gank talos or most anything with an epic alpha. Then you could jam em, damp em or nuet them. |

Tarsus Zateki
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.02 08:07:00 -
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A damped or target jammed logistic is as effective as a blown up logistic. |

Death Toll007
Fleet of Doom Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2012.01.02 15:43:00 -
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ECM Drones, in large fleets call primary targets for ECM drones by squad.
EX:
Primary target is: Sushi in Bhaalgorn I say again primary target is: Sushi in Bhaalgorn Squad one I want your ECM on Logi Pilot1 in Guardian Squad two I want your ECM on Logi pilot 2 in Guardian Squad three I want your ECM on Logi Pilot3 in Guardian Squad four I want your ECM on Logi Pilot4 in Guardian
Saying this calmly over and over again, changing primary targets as they pop. Most cruiser+ gangs can permajam logis not fit for ECCM with five members per squad and EC-300's.
Would not recommend larger ECM drones due to speed issues.
-DT |

Arctur Vallfar
Knights Adamant
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Posted - 2012.01.02 19:25:00 -
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I suggest initiating a conversation with the Logistic ship's pilot and convince them to kill themselves.
Failing that, do as many others have already stated and use electronic warfare modules. Logistic vessels don't do much when their capacitor has been siphoned away and/or they can't target anything. You don't need to necessarily destroy them, since they could themselves be off/repaired by another vessel or just well tanked. So long as they are rendered useless, even for a few minutes, can be a serious game changer. |

Tallianna Avenkarde
Beasts of Burden
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Posted - 2012.01.02 19:34:00 -
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SDF-1 Macross - Reflex Cannon And a sudden plunge in the sullen swell. Ten fathoms deep on the road to hell. |

Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2012.01.03 09:03:00 -
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Death Toll007 wrote:ECM Drones, in large fleets call primary targets for ECM drones by squad.
EX:
Primary target is: Sushi in Bhaalgorn I say again primary target is: Sushi in Bhaalgorn Squad one I want your ECM on Logi Pilot1 in Guardian Squad two I want your ECM on Logi pilot 2 in Guardian Squad three I want your ECM on Logi Pilot3 in Guardian Squad four I want your ECM on Logi Pilot4 in Guardian
Saying this calmly over and over again, changing primary targets as they pop. Most cruiser+ gangs can permajam logis not fit for ECCM with five members per squad and EC-300's.
Would not recommend larger ECM drones due to speed issues.
-DT
Why would the logi be in drone range? Short of a murderball or pretty Crap warp in the idea is to be WAY
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Roosterton
Shattered Star Exiles SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2012.01.03 14:48:00 -
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TP/Web Huginn + 2-3 arty tornados Arazu/Lachesis Falcon/Rook Curse
Yeah... pretty much what everyone else said in this thread. |

Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
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Posted - 2012.01.03 15:40:00 -
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Tallianna Avenkarde wrote:SDF-1 Macross - Reflex Cannon Your power level is low. |

Dradius Calvantia
Creative Cookie Procuring Rote Kapelle
211
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Posted - 2012.01.03 18:48:00 -
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As others have mentioned, 10 meals/machs/nados will alpha a logi off the field, however you are better off just killing their DPS and recon support if you have the alpha as logi is completely irrelevant against an arty fleet.
We have aplhad through Absolutions and Damnations with about 15 Tornados while simply ignoring the 8 guardians they had comped. |

Justin Cody
T.A.L.O.N. Company Psychotic Tendencies.
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Posted - 2012.01.03 20:14:00 -
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aside from alpha-strike, range damping the logistics while trying to kite them is the best option. Neuting will work fine on an oneiros or scimitar gang (if you can catch them that is) . Guardians and Basilisks are nigh on neut proof without neuting them all individually with dedicated bhaal's or cap stable curses. They are always energy x-fering eachother and are mainly neut proof. in a standard 4/2 setup you will not break them by neuting.
If you can put the rest of the fleet under cap stress and the logis as well...then you might be able to break them. Logistics are however designed to be resilient. |

Tabernack en Chasteaux
W.A.S.P Sons of Sylph
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Posted - 2012.01.03 22:22:00 -
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Tallianna Avenkarde wrote:SDF-1 Macross - Reflex Cannon
You'll be hosing exotic dancers off the walls of the cargo bay for days. |

Xpaulusx
Hosti1e Traff1c Control
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Posted - 2012.01.06 18:30:00 -
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Tarsus Zateki wrote:A damped or target jammed logistic is as effective as a blown up logistic.
back door them in a Falcon, falcon is the bane of all logi. even a scorp will work. |
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