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Naril Mikjail Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 0	Posted - 2017.07.11 15:05:26 - [1] - Quote Hi everyone! Has anyone some tricks and tips to locate the correct answer in Project Discovery? I really suck on it Thanks
Vanessa Celtis Vanessa Atalanta 21	Posted - 2017.07.11 15:15:31 - [2] - Quote Naril Mikjail wrote: Hi everyone! Has anyone some tricks and tips to locate the correct answer in Project Discovery? I really suck on it Thanks Same for me. The samples provided do not have enough granularity to find any patterns, un-playable. There should be a way to zoom-in but having more granularity so actually see any pattern.
Sp3ktr3 Unicorn Rampage 54	Posted - 2017.07.11 15:33:01 - [3] - Quote Vanessa Celtis wrote: Naril Mikjail wrote: Hi everyone! Has anyone some tricks and tips to locate the correct answer in Project Discovery? I really suck on it Thanks Same for me, sorry no tip, I tried for several hours and I found zero transition. The samples provided do not have enough granularity to find any transition, it's un-playable and the user-interface sucks. There should be a way to zoom-in but having more granularity so you can actually see any existing transition pattern. Fail fit! You can zoom in. Maybe you should do the tutorial again.
Naril Mikjail Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 0	Posted - 2017.07.11 15:34:40 - [4] - Quote All samples have too much noise and even zooming I can't see anything
Vanessa Celtis Vanessa Atalanta 21	Posted - 2017.07.11 15:42:47 - [5] - Quote Sp3ktr3 wrote: Vanessa Celtis wrote: Naril Mikjail wrote: Hi everyone! Has anyone some tricks and tips to locate the correct answer in Project Discovery? I really suck on it Thanks Same for me, sorry no tip, I tried for several hours and I found zero transition. The samples provided do not have enough granularity to find any transition, it's un-playable and the user-interface sucks. There should be a way to zoom-in but having more granularity so you can actually see any existing transition pattern. Fail fit! You can zoom in. Maybe you should do the tutorial again. You can zoom in yes but when you zoom-in, the displayed details you see do not provide enough granularity to actually "with a human eye" identify any planet transition. it's a loss of time to play this with the provided samples at this stage. The tutorial gives obvious samples, but once you start with the real data the samples provided are too noisy.
Marek Kanenald Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 25	Posted - 2017.07.11 16:16:04 - [6] - Quote The type of data analysis that this requires seems a lot more suitable for a computer algorithm than for a human.
Edik Edik The Scope Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2017.07.11 17:27:02 - [7] - Quote This is very hard, example of one of my analysis: http://imgur.com/a/iSZBJ Even after they gave me the result I still cannot get it
Vanessa Celtis Vanessa Atalanta 21	Posted - 2017.07.11 17:37:15 - [8] - Quote Edik Edik wrote: This is very hard, example of one of my analysis: http://imgur.com/a/iSZBJ Even after they gave me the result I still cannot get it I think CCP has reversed the hard mode with the easy mode by mistake; all of a sudden easier samples come in, I don't know what happend, but I suppose CCP is looking at the logs and tuning things in real-time on the servers and fixes initial issues.
Bones Prefect Wormholers in Highsec Wormholes United 0	Posted - 2017.07.11 17:51:50 - [9] - Quote https://imgur.com/a/uh4hP https://imgur.com/a/AZoR8 The images are the same correction viewed under folded and not folded to a failed attempt I made.... How are we supposed to pick out what appears to be completely random squiggles as a transit? So far nothing makes apparent sense in this system... Pick out the dips and it tells you that youre wrong, only to show you squiggles that dont even slightly resemble eachother or even resemble dips at all...
Mikstopher Nordic Hawks Phalanx Federation 0	Posted - 2017.07.11 18:19:37 - [10] - Quote The way this system is set up they make you feel all good about yourself with the tutorial and you are rocking out and getting them all right... And then you get to the actual part where you look at real data... And they make you feel like you were born yesterday... Get your confidence up and then smash you with data that looks completely unreadable. I have not gotten a single one right and less than 1 hour after I started the project discovery I am not even getting rewards anymore.

hipotecadoydesgraciado Heresy Incorporated 11	Posted - 2017.07.11 18:39:30 - [11] - Quote Its more easy use the KEPLER instead
Yarosara Ruil Haighare Pirates 1051	Posted - 2017.07.11 18:50:20 - [12] - Quote Citoplasm is the powerhouse of the exoplanet! Works every time for me.
M4cD0g GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1	Posted - 2017.07.11 20:07:00 - [13] - Quote Sp3ktr3 wrote: Vanessa Celtis wrote: Naril Mikjail wrote: Hi everyone! Has anyone some tricks and tips to locate the correct answer in Project Discovery? I really suck on it Thanks Same for me, sorry no tip, I tried for several hours and I found zero transition. The samples provided do not have enough granularity to find any transition, it's un-playable and the user-interface sucks. There should be a way to zoom-in but having more granularity so you can actually see any existing transition pattern. Fail fit! You can zoom in. Maybe you should do the tutorial again. You mean like this: Detrend 1h: https://imgur.com/gXoXz5P Detrend 10h: https://i.imgur.com/aVz5yJH.png No Detrend: https://i.imgur.com/bRjfydS.png The picture i linked is supposed to be a transition ZOOMED IN! Sure, buddy, zoom in works great! The system is complete bollocks. There is no pattern that we can see. Either they screwed up the data and solutions or they do not show the real data. It's broken.
Artenso Vestindal Evil Intention Synergy of Steel 15	Posted - 2017.07.11 20:24:15 - [14] - Quote I will just put theese examples here...
NanoSpirit Raiju 3	Posted - 2017.07.11 20:44:40 - [15] - Quote This mini-game is unfun, frustrating and you dont learn anything between different sample... so difficult to improve... WHen I look at the answer provided when you fail, and you zoom in, you are like.. wtf is that... - Unclear - Inconsistent between sample - UI and presentation make it worse... There is a limit between getting real life and video game gameplay.. I am not here to become a scientist
Galaxxis Unicorn Rampage 200	Posted - 2017.07.11 21:18:20 - [16] - Quote It seems like there are some false positives as well as completely missed transits in some of the evaluation samples. I have to wonder if they had grad students working on these, and how drunk they were at the time.
Baboo Yagu 29	Posted - 2017.07.11 21:27:57 - [17] - Quote This Project Discovery has to be a joke. CCP are trolling us. How the hell do the expect somebody to notice this, apparently the correct selections was just random selections that don't stand out from the background in any shape or form. https://i.imgur.com/iwgkyCF.png If it was the odd one I'd understand, but it seems to be 99% of samples that do this. No matter how you analyse any obvious blips in signal it always fails you and shows you something that nobody would ever notice. I've had more luck just hitting the 'No Transition' button on every sample.
DrysonBennington Eagle's Talon's 330	Posted - 2017.07.11 21:54:35 - [18] - Quote Project Tutorial The reason why the Project is difficult is because there was a mix up in the plates that you were given. They put the harder plates at the beginning. I was at about 4% accuracy when I started getting easier plates to study. So keep at it, it does get easier. Here are a few screenshots of successful transit discoveries, Consensus Plates and Missed Transits. In the first image you will see the typical "noise" of the surface of the sun that is detected by the space telescopes. On the left and right are the transits of a planetary body that look like fangs or ice sickles. When you zoom in you can see the depth of the transit, or how much light is being blocked by the object, which in this the object is blocking 2.599 % of the suns light. You subtract the amount of the dip from 100 where 100 is the surface of the sun. 100 is the output of light from the sun would be normal. Normal means nothing blocking the light from the sun or solar flares causing an increase in the light curve of the sun. Think of it this way. You have $100 and you add $5 now you have $105 or 105% the normal light curve of the sun. Once again you have $100 and purchase a Beefy Big Boy from the lunch room fun machine that costs $2.59....Hey come here a little closer, just to let you know I like to out my Beefy Big Boy in between the sandwich buns and then...Beep...Beep....Anuirison!..Sorry Bryson just showing them the Fun Machine, I mean vending machin...Back to the tutorial. Now you have $97.41 left which equals 97.41% of the sun light that is showing. For those more in tune with planet hunting the readout would be .0259/.9741. Click in the center of either transit and colored line will appear. Because there is only one transit on this plate simply drag your line to the second transit and then click Fold. You will be able to tell that your transits match up as the further you drag your transit line to the second transit the other transit markers disappear. So you probably guessed it by now that the more lines on your screen means that all of the lines have to match up with an ice sickle or fang in order to be considered a transit. Along the bottom is your transit length and total transit time. In this case the transit on the left starts out at Epoch 4.235(day of the week when transit started) and takes 17.049 days to complete its orbit at Epoch 21.25. An orbital period is the amount of time it takes an object to orbit another object. In this case the orbital period for Earth would be ~365 days. Intro 1 https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/c121/acznjbcs73lj63d6g.jpg Intro 2 https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/711e/89c1ps64zub6zgm6g.jpg I will do more of the tutorial tomorrow.
Valera Schwert Das zweite Konglomerat Circle-Of-Two 0	Posted - 2017.07.11 21:57:22 - [19] - Quote I have no idea why this failed ... https://imgur.com/gallery/DPaOb
Vanessa Celtis Vanessa Atalanta 21	Posted - 2017.07.11 22:05:37 - [20] - Quote Valera Schwert wrote: I have no idea why this failed ... https://imgur.com/gallery/DPaOb Because the red was a SECOND pattern; you need to double click when validating to have in this case two patterns selected and then only submit.

DrysonBennington Eagle's Talon's 330	Posted - 2017.07.11 22:15:28 - [21] - Quote Valera Schwert wrote: I have no idea why this failed ... https://imgur.com/gallery/DPaOb Because there are two different transits present. The one that is marked in green that was correct is one and the one marked in read is another one. When you have plates like this with more than one transit that lines along the same line the other transit will be a second second transit. The wavy suns like the one in your image are sometimes hard to mark. Just mark all the lower transits with one marker and the higher transits with another marker. Want me to get ya a Beefy Big Boy from the Fun Machine....Beep...Beep....ANUIRISUN!
zoltan Ishikela Fe Solari 0	Posted - 2017.07.11 22:25:20 - [22] - Quote http://imgur.com/RLoKtKb missed 1 marker, FAILED
Zeewolf 46137 Saor Alba 22	Posted - 2017.07.11 22:29:50 - [23] - Quote If they are able to show us the answer once submitted, then surely they dont need us as they already know. This all seems highly pointless, cant see the 'fun' lasting long.
zoltan Ishikela Fe Solari 0	Posted - 2017.07.11 22:41:39 - [24] - Quote Zeewolf 46137 wrote: If they are able to show us the answer once submitted, then surely they dont need us as they already know. This all seems highly pointless, cant see the 'fun' lasting long. i think the ones that are already have the answer are ones that have been analyzed already and are still put in to see if we can see anything different, just my though tho
Shalua Rui Rui Freelance Mining 30547	Posted - 2017.07.11 22:52:30 - [25] - Quote zoltan Ishikela wrote: Zeewolf 46137 wrote: If they are able to show us the answer once submitted, then surely they dont need us as they already know. This all seems highly pointless, cant see the 'fun' lasting long. i think the ones that are already have the answer are ones that have been analyzed already and are still put in to see if we can see anything different, just my though tho Pretty much... that's how test groups work. We aren't actually analyzing those readings - would be shoddy science if we did. We are just there to "proof read", so to speak. Anyways, I just don't see it... down to 1% and stopping now. "ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)
zoltan Ishikela Fe Solari 0	Posted - 2017.07.11 23:03:02 - [26] - Quote i want the ship so ima keep grinding, and some how maintaining 50% acc, but i have been getting mixed between ones that have been done by just us, first time ones, and the occasional already checked one
Vanessa Celtis Vanessa Atalanta 22	Posted - 2017.07.11 23:05:11 - [27] - Quote Shalua Rui wrote: zoltan Ishikela wrote: Zeewolf 46137 wrote: If they are able to show us the answer once submitted, then surely they dont need us as they already know. This all seems highly pointless, cant see the 'fun' lasting long. i think the ones that are already have the answer are ones that have been analyzed already and are still put in to see if we can see anything different, just my though tho Pretty much... that's how test groups work. We aren't actually analyzing those readings - would be shoddy science if we did. We are just there to "proof read", so to speak. Anyways, I just don't see it... down to 1% and stopping now. Was the same for me. Down to 1%, then I insisted (I really did insist), all of a sudden easy samples came up like in the tutorial, so I am now at 93% (getting 2M a tick) and close to grabbing the Pacifier BP. So my take on this, don't care for your mouse and click the hell out of it !
Blade Darth Room for Improvement Limited Expectations 270	Posted - 2017.07.11 23:59:36 - [28] - Quote Play with the "flattening" option and it's range. Zoom in on some parts Even if there is no obvious transits, try to fold it in places that look somewhat interesting. Look for overlapping repeating patterns while scrolling. Good way to deal with pulsating or binary stars too, fold the waveform and see what stands out. Speaking of harder planets, they messed up and included advanced examples in begginer set. Omen Navy Issue Tutorial
Matthias Ancaladron Wrath of Angels Solitaire. 403	Posted - 2017.07.12 00:12:47 - [29] - Quote The game is currently broken and full of incorrectly labeled slides. Theyre resetting everyone's accuracy tomorrow because of how broken it currently is. It's just picking random increments and labeling them as transits when many of the pictures have no transits present. If you correctly answer no transits you get it wrong because the slides are all wrong and the only way to get it right is to randomly select and pray to God you picked the right random intervals.
Matthias Ancaladron Wrath of Angels Solitaire. 403	Posted - 2017.07.12 00:13:42 - [30] - Quote Blade Darth wrote: Play with the "flattening" option and it's range. Zoom in on some parts Even if there is no obvious transits, try to fold it in places that look somewhat interesting. Look for overlapping repeating patterns while scrolling. Good way to deal with pulsating or binary stars too, fold the waveform and see what stands out. Speaking of harder planets, they messed up and included advanced examples in begginer set. It's not even the hard ones. Theyre just all wrong.



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