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Otiluke
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Posted - 2007.05.21 21:07:00 -
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Edited by: Otiluke on 21/05/2007 21:05:39
ie - They are full of carp!
Ok, here's the deal: I was practicing with my shiney new chimera, warping around a system, deploying, assigning, and recalling my fighters. I wanted to make sure I knew how to actually use this thing before I got into a hairy situation.
So, I give the command to the fighters to "return to drone bay", then warp to another location. I then made the mistake of activating a cloak. Now, if I'm not allowed to control my fighters while cloaked, I can understand that (I could argue the point, but that's not what this is about.) So anyway, I lose control of my fighters. Fine. I'll just uncloak and go pick them up....uhh...where are they?
I warp between my origination and destination a few times, jumping on my scanner the whole way, hoping they are somewhere in between. After all, I apparently lost them while they were enroute to me, so they should be there somewhere, right? Wrong. Apparently, since fighters don't actually "warp" between points - they just disappear and reappear at the new location - logic doesn't seem to prevail in this situation. I thought they were completely gone until I got to reading in these forums about people losing their fighters during server crashes, etc. I learned enough to try using deep space probes, and sure enough, I "found" a few of my precious pets scattered around the system, approximately 100 AU out from the sun! 
So, I go about trying to probe out my fighters (I had already petitioned it, btw) but I wasn't having any luck. I could (occasionally) see them with the deep space probes, but I wasn't having any luck with the scan probes. Plus, I had the exploration launcher instead of the other one (don't remember the names off-hand) so it was taking me a long time to scan. I decided to just bookmark a few scan results and come back the next day with the right equipment, because it was getting late for me. Next day, I come back and I get NO scan results. I am then informed by some friendly alliance mate that in these situations, they disappear at the next DT. Great.
The petition process has taken me about a week so far, and is getting quite frustrating. I won't mention more about that, for fear of punishment from above...BUT if someone in power actually reads this, I wouldn't mind a hand! 
The real point is that while I lost control of the fighters due to a game play mechanic, I have been unable to recover them because of a server/software mechanic. I am missing a significant amound of ISK worth of equipment because of some really goofy coding. Those fighters should have never been scattered all to hell and back because the server can't handle tracking them through a real warp. They should have been left at the origination, destination, or somewhere in between.
So: CCP - please help! Players - am I wrong? Anyone have an constructive comments? Mods - If there is a better place for this, please move it.
Gah! Why does this keep making me post with my alt?
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Corwain
Gallente
Zero Team
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Posted - 2007.05.21 21:09:00 -
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On the bright side you still have your carrier and have learned a valuable lesson.
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Waxau
Amarr
Liberty Rogues
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Posted - 2007.05.21 21:09:00 -
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Firstly - Lol Had to 
Secondly - Best not cloak with drones of any sort out.
Thirdly - Some folks have found petitions useful - However theres not really a way round that problem.
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Alaron Giancol
Resurrection
R i s e
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Posted - 2007.05.21 21:11:00 -
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I remember something similar happening to a friend of mine who assigned me fighters, then drifted inside a pos shield, before the fighters got to me. I found the missing fighters the next day at the pos where he was when he assigned them to me.
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Princess Jodi
Vendetta Underground
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.05.21 21:43:00 -
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Go to the place you activated the cloak, and to the place you warped off from, after the next downtime. Your Fighters should be there.
I've lost 3 sets of fighters in similar circumstances. They tend to show up where you were after downtime.
You mentioned 'return to drone bay', then warping. In my experince, that causes them to become inert just like a normal drone would. Recent changes might have affected that. But the Cloak...that's guaranteed to break the control and they are lost.
I've lost sets of 12, 14 and 14 fighters through circumstances as you described, and CCP never gave any back
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Zald Darkheavens
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Posted - 2007.05.22 03:07:00 -
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Yes, I understand about losing control after cloaking. The problem is that their behavior is completely off the wall. CCP really has a responsibility here to make things right. Their own screwed up coding is causing this problem. Tbh, I'm getting pretty ****ed off at the worthless petition process and the lack of GM's understanding that it is a software problem, not a game play mistake.
Oh, and this is my main.
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Fanjita
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Posted - 2007.05.22 03:15:00 -
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join bob you'll get em back in a flash
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Zald Darkheavens
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Posted - 2007.05.22 04:10:00 -
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Edited by: Zald Darkheavens on 22/05/2007 04:08:18
yeah, that's constructive.
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Sokratesz
Paradox v2.0
1 Shot 1 Kill
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Posted - 2007.05.22 05:38:00 -
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Rofl at the two replies above.
But yeah, dont cloak :P
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Auron Shadowbane
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Posted - 2007.05.22 06:38:00 -
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sorry, but you did lost them due to your own lack of thinking.
flying a carrier should mean you have enough experience with drones to know how they react to cloaking.
a bit of observing their behaviour (and general "npc-warp") on jumping around before should have told you something about their "warp" process.
that combining these two things is a damn bad idea is not rocket science.
not thinking of the consequences is like this example:
haveing *** in a car, the worst that can happen is that someone watches you and you find your vid on some nasty internet side.
driving too fast the worst that can happen is that you have to pay a police-bill.
combining those two things is yet a very bad and unhealthy idea cause it easily leads to a severe crash which can end yourself dead.
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RedClaws
Amarr
Dragon's Rage
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2007.05.22 07:57:00 -
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You might also want to check out planets or moons after DT. They seem to kinda...reappear at things you can warp to.
Prolly the scanner is best to use
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Ogul
Caldari
ZiTek Deepspace Explorations
Prime Orbital Systems
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Posted - 2007.05.22 10:29:00 -
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Your own fault, mate. You should have read the manual carefully before playing around with fighters.
After all this is EVE, where you lose more ships and equipment to lag, bugs and idiotic game mechanics than to your enemies. 
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Fenlaw
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Posted - 2007.05.22 10:33:00 -
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 Originally by: Ogul
Your own fault, mate. You should have read the manual carefully before playing around with fighters.
After all this is EVE, where you lose more ships and equipment to lag, bugs and idiotic game mechanics than to your enemies.
Now if there only was a decent manual.... as it is now you learn by testing, asking and readon on the forums about other people misstakes.
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Ovno ConSyquence
Amarr
The Plebians
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Posted - 2007.05.22 10:41:00 -
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Harsh about your loss mate....
But i usually use the test server for this sort of thing 1st.... |
Adaris
Dark and Light inc.
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Posted - 2007.05.22 10:52:00 -
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Originally by: Ovno ConSyquence
Harsh about your loss mate....
But i usually use the test server for this sort of thing 1st....
my goodness give this man a medal, he speaks with great wisdom
(Sorry for your lose OP, but its a lesson learned and not ealiy forgotton for you)
Please Help me, YOU could be next!
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Digital Anarchist
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Posted - 2007.05.22 11:29:00 -
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100AU from the sun? Does this mean it's possible to create deep safespots in that manner?
Just wondering.
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Luigi Thirty
Caldari
FIRMA
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Posted - 2007.05.22 11:34:00 -
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It's a templar, an amarrian fighter drone used by carriers.
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Kather
Turbulent
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Posted - 2007.05.22 11:53:00 -
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a couple of weeks back, we killed a chimera. it had told its fighters to attack me, so i warped of in hull. t he fighters followed. while i was in warp, the carrier got destroyed. the fighters were nowhere to be seen.
after downtime they appeared at the station where the fight took place, so hopefully the same will happen for you.
as for the alt thing, go to settings and set your main as default character :)
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.05.22 11:53:00 -
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Originally by: Luigi Thirty
It's a templar, an amarrian fighter drone used by carriers.
i understand that a shuttle does not make a very good tank
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Silvana Starbreeze
key tech limited
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Posted - 2007.05.22 12:01:00 -
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Why you didn`t do this on the testserver is beyond me :)
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Royaldo
KVA Noble Inc.
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Posted - 2007.05.22 12:19:00 -
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this has also happend to me. i lost control of 13 figthers, i could see them on the overview, but i couldnt do anything about them.
ive had other times where they didnt warp with me, again another 13 figthers lost.
and when i probed for them i couldnt find anything.
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justcheckingthemarket
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Posted - 2007.05.22 13:25:00 -
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Originally by: Silvana Starbreeze
Why you didn`t do this on the testserver is beyond me :)
well maybe BECAUSE he just finished training for carrier and the testserver data is aproximately one month old.
i can imagine he didn't want to wait another month or who knows how long just to try out his carrier befor taking it into combat.
at least i wouldn't want to wait for the testserver to be up to date till i try out something new that i just trained for.
but thats just a theory ;-)
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SN3263827
The Black Rabbits
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Posted - 2007.05.22 13:42:00 -
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Having experienced a similar event due to exactly the same circumstances (ie my corpmate making the same mistake) I can offer you the solution to retrieving the fighters. Contact me in-game.
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Zald Darkheavens
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Posted - 2007.05.22 16:06:00 -
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Edited by: Zald Darkheavens on 22/05/2007 16:11:45
Yes, as the above poster noted, you can make deep safes in this manner. I have a few in that system now.
And as I stated, I understand it was my mistake to cloak with drones out. I admit the noobishness of that (so some of the above critical comments were unnecessary, tyvm.) My real problem is the way the fighters reacted when I lost control. For a mistake like that, they should be left somewhere (completely vulnerable to destruction/scoopage by my enemies) but recoverable.
I suppose this is really just a shameless bump, hoping CCP will notice.
I guess its off to Game Development/Bug Reporting.
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Zald Darkheavens
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Posted - 2007.05.22 16:09:00 -
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Originally by: Kather
as for the alt thing, go to settings and set your main as default character :)
Thanks. I'm also a bit of a forum noob, so didn't even realize there WAS a settings area.
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Sebesria
Minmatar
United Society Starfleet
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.05.23 07:02:00 -
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ok, just to toss in my 0.02 isk to this subject, I was ratting with my carrier delegating to my ratting char. A couple fighters were taking damage from a decent damage rat, so I ordered them to return, then quickly assigned them back out. Instead of coming back to the carrier, or going out to the ratting char... they decide to disappear. Thats great. I scan, theyre nowhere in scan range in a small system. So's I toss out a petition and call it a night. Log on the next day, the fighters are magically back where my carrier logged.... no response to the petition.... they just decide to take my order somewhere within those 8 hours. I realize drones don't like to take orders quickly, mwd anywhere, or actually attack their intended targets, but couldn't we get thrown a bone just once in a while?? ESPECIALLY when we have like 250mil in drones floating in space??? kthx
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Delta3000
UK Corp
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.23 14:47:00 -
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Edited by: Delta3000 on 23/05/2007 14:49:12
Originally by: Auron Shadowbane
sorry, but you did lost them due to your own lack of thinking.
not thinking of the consequences is like this example:
haveing *** in a car, the worst that can happen is that someone watches you and you find your vid on some nasty internet side.
driving too fast the worst that can happen is that you have to pay a police-bill.
combining those two things is yet a very bad and unhealthy idea cause it easily leads to a severe crash which can end yourself dead.
How much do you pay for your Class A's?
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Jotan Veer
HUN Corp.
HUN Reloaded
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Posted - 2007.05.23 14:47:00 -
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Edited by: Jotan Veer on 23/05/2007 14:46:12
Pretty sure CCP will fix fighters really soon, I mean come on, they can't just let people like me making 100 AU safespots at will. 
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Moraguth
Amarr
Rangers
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Posted - 2007.05.23 17:11:00 -
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And this is why I'll be playing with archons on the test server for a month or so before i can actually afford to fit one on TQ
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