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The Reverend
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Posted - 2004.01.07 20:26:00 -
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In the last few weeks, m0o corp has moved into CFS controlled space and utterly routed much of the CFS forces. The Querious region and all regions behind have been emptyied of the alliance that was formed as a direct responce to pirate activity. With the continuing destruction of Stain, New Venal and other so called pirate free alliances, it seems only a matter of time before all law abiding alliances are broken up and tossed into the flames from whence they came.
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Jolo
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Posted - 2004.01.07 20:28:00 -
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Hello class, welcome to propaganda 101. Today we will be learning how to make yourself sound like you've accomplished something when you really haven't done anything at all. Our first guest speaker is a Mr. The Reverend. Lets welcome him.
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Ulendar
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Posted - 2004.01.07 20:35:00 -
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Hehehehe =P
Looks like the carebearz are taking it up the ars on all fronts. I hope they all enjoy empire space!
Looks like the carebears got what they wanted in the end, a completely pirate free empire space! You can continue mining your veld royds with your apocs and trading your crap on the market to make alot of isk for more mining apocs, in completely safety and utter boredom now!
Ofcrouse, im sure you carebears didnt quite realize that the creation of completely safe empire space would force all of the pirates out and into 0.0 now did you? Looks like its biting the carebears in the ass now....
No more rare minerals for you =D
Have fun paying 50k per megacite to buy it from us pirates soon hehehe. Course you can always try and build those apocs without megacite...or come try to mine it LOL! dont forget to take off the miner II's before you come
What will uncle CCP have to pull out of their sleave to shut the vocal whine of the carebears up this time i wonder?
I have a pretty good gut feelign that they are going to ass tiny amounts of mega and zyd to low grade ore 
 Originally by: cashman
It's time for Eris to get a clue. CCP should make a statement about this.
It's the exact same things as what Zombie did, you may not attack in "safe-areas" (empire/within sentry range) without loosing your ship.
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Lord Zap
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Posted - 2004.01.07 20:36:00 -
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This was posted by Yodaron Ballsithor, president of the CFS, on the CFS private forums..
"This is what I printed in the Senate Chambers. I trust our partners/allies will also provide the military assistance we are asking for as they are able. Kudos, BTW, to Genco, who have been with us in this conflict from the start.
Time to BUMP this. The Navy is receiving very little support and without it m0o and COW will continue to block our shipping lanes and kill indy's, etc. Folks, I have already ordered participation. You folks, save some who know who they are, have helpd very little.
FRANKLY, I AM VERY DISAPPOINTED. YOU ARE EITHER WILLING TO FIGHT TO PROTECT WHAT WE HAVE OR JUST DO NOTHING AND HIDE YOUR HEADS IN THE SAND.
Again, from the Coalition Obligations Bills:
All official members of the Coalition must help patrol and defend CFS space, either with patrols of low security constellations or assisting blockades. If a member is unable or unwilling to assist in patrols and blockades, they will pay compensation to the Coalition Navy, where the funds will assist efforts to defend CFS space.
I am compiling a list of those who have helped and/or are helping, you will see the list in a separate thread in here. For all who do not assist militarily, and within the ambit of this Bill, I have just doubled the dues of all corporations that do not provide active participants to the conflict or who do not provide assistance through materials and supplies. BPC's do the Navy no good when they need the minerals to use them. They need ammo, guns, and other mods and ships. They also need active military participation.
I spent a week helping the Navy out and intend to spend next week doing the same. Did I lose money as a result? Of course. Did I really care? No. Did I worry about my implants? No. Did I run off when T2 came in and jump on agent missions, etc. instead of supporting our Alliance? No.
It is time to quit acting in a selfish fashion. If your corporation desires to continue in such fashion you will pay the financial price in compensation or in-kind contributions, and if that is refused, your membership will be revoked if at all possible.
I hope it does not come to this. But as it stands, millions in isk are being lost in combat ships, indy's, mining ships, etc. Instead of absorbing these losses, which are well over 1 billion, and probably closer to 3-4 billion all told, you should be contributing to the cause which would decrease these losses considerably.
For those of you who say we are not at "war" and that dealing with m0o and cow should not be a problem, consider the fact that the Navy is totally underfunded (and with no consensus from the members on how to ensure this is not the case) and somewhat undermanned. The Navy will never be what we expect of it and members of the Navy will begin to drop like flies if they see no visible military or other support. Heck, as it is now they cannot afford to replace lost battleships thereby decreasing their effectiveness geometrically. Naval personnel are not paid and will soon not have sufficient personal funds to continue either. If I add up the total member base of m0o and cow they easily outstrip our military forces and will be able to easily continue to create problems in the FIX and below. What will this do? Cause more griefers and pirates to come here and create more problems. Do not believe that, then read this:
"A new great threat to the CFS is rising. A spy (within Mercenary Cruisers)contacted me (it is an alt of somebody i know in-game), use this information very careful and use discretion in sharing this. I recommend against sharing it at the time, because cover will be blown, and they will change their plans and then we do not have our element of surprise anymore."
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Lord Zap
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Posted - 2004.01.07 20:37:00 -
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..continued
"I got this eve mail:
MC = Merc Cruisers
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2003.12.14 16:52:00
2003.12.05 22:59:00
As Mista is a dead system and Domain is much the same , we are on the brink of a big move.
Suggestion is this, MC moves base to Sakht, this is in Aridia Region and has low sec access to CFS space.
Aridia at the time is under attack by several pirate corps which we shall join once we settle there, goal here is to claim Aridia, low sec Khanid, and JK-FIX after that.
As you all can see on the map these places are highly populated and so make very good hunting grounds for us.
I have already started to move things and planning it all, expactation is we have completed the move in 1 week.
Those of you not able to fly in the ship to there on your pirate ( due to low sec rating) can mail me and I can fly them in on an alt, or you go and find yourself a transfer option.
The moving of chars should be too hard since sakht has a cloning facility and we can clone hop to there, as will I.
Comments and additions to me please,
Regards,
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Pirate corps that are in this new alliance, that is coming to wreak havoc in CFS space:pak, cow, merc cruisers, 10kad, wrath of apocalipse, and ravens.
***** > scorpions, ravens are favourits?
***** >All sort of ships.
***** > hmm, threat level to cfs?
***** >it will be a rear gaurs action man force of skilled playes attacking south to a2 rest north from empire but jk-fix is supposed to be the new home of pirates, moving my stuf currently to sakht
***** > Hmm, do you expect the actions/tactics, that frig merc. used, like ore stealing in empire space?
***** > they waiting we waiting for castor gate camping and mining disruption
***** > Can you make me a list of the members? and ships they use?
***** > yes np will take time though azziza uses scorp
***** > ok closing chat will be in touch
[ 2003.12.14 20:02:08 ] ***** > thanks very much. hope to talk to you later
This just in from Mindecho:
"Harry,
To be honest we aren't going to last much longer without support both manpower and monetarily. This whole patch and Megacyte shortage couldn't have come at a worse time. Ships that normally cost me 55M are costing me 80M. Out of the 220M I started with I have a little over 40M left and all that paid for was ammo, 1 Scorp, some mega to build a Battleship and platnium insurance for 2 people. I honestly I don't know what to do. Without a supply of Battleships for my people we are doomed. I've begged and pleaded for ship help and no one can offer us any at a decent price. Generic Corp as well as Horizon Industries plan on giving us some BS BPC's, but I still need minerals to build them.
We lost 5-6 Battleships yesterday due to being outnumbered. According to Madcap the CFSN severely wounded 4 of them so bad M0o was impressed with the way they fought (if we would have had more support M0o would have died). I logged on to click off a skill and Madcap had 6 BS's and 2 cruisers (All Navy) and 0 reserves (M0o had 8 BS's). I begged and pleaded on the chat server and on the forums for some help. Luckily Invidious showed up with 3 BS's, but if we keep this up we won't have any assets to use against M0o. I'm almost to the point of telling the guys to stay in station until CFS members find the balls to help us. We can't do this alone. Everytime a threat like this comes in CFS members bury their heads in empire mining and leave us out there to die.
Lastly I'm feeling like I'm dealing with all this alone. We supposedly have all these Ministers of what not, but I never really see them do anything. You would think they would be helping me muster support from across the CFS, but that hasn't happened as of yet. All I know if we don't do something soon we aren't going to have anyone left to fight. My men are getting burned out and are getting angry at the lack of support."
REMEMBER THE CA WAR FOLKS? THE EXACT SAME THINGS ARE HAPPENING RIGHT NOW.
Heck, if we cannot deal with this threat, we will never be able to secure our space from a real threat.
Is all of Eve right? We are just a bunch of carebears who could care less about helping their own? Are we going to continue to be weak in the face of adversity? Are we going to lay down and die?
I know that some corporations have had special circumstances, A Second Chance At Eden being a very good example. I have no problem with dealing with these special circumstances. With 50+ corporations we should be able to put 100 combat ships of all sizes and kinds in the FIX at any given time. And that is, frankly, what I expect.
We require a concerted military effort lasting at least for a period of 2-3 weeks to push m0o and cow out. Failing that, we are in deep trouble.
No more excuses that we are mi
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2004.01.07 20:37:00 -
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Yup, CFS has been totally crippled for the last few weeks. Their key systems are nearly always invaded by pirates, and the CFSN is nowhere to be seen.
I find it to be a shame for such a big alliance with all the senate and navy stuff. I mean, you'd expect SOME sort of resistance, at least. The only action that the CFS takes is issuing "Run for cover until they logoff" warnings all day long and trying to avoid m0o instead of fighting them out.
Quite sad tbh.
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Lord Zap
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Posted - 2004.01.07 20:39:00 -
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...continued
"No more excuses that we are mining in Lone Trek. No more excuses that I have x number of agent missions to run. No more excuses that I do not know how to pvp. Everybody can make excuses. Excuses solve no problems and will not solve this one.
I want to see the larger corporations starting to provide assistance. I can easily call names here, but you know who you are. I am sorry. If you are in a battleship, a frigate or a cruiser and have sufficient skill to pilot it for combat, you should be helping. Purchase some insurance and get to the FIX.
Of course, you have every right to disagree with my assessment and the assessment of the Commander of the Navy. Disagreement, however, does not change a thing. As Conqueror said on the eve-online forums, "don't sing it, bring it".
You will also find a 3 day voting bill where I am asking for a mandated CFS wide-mining op to benefit those who are fighting. Honestly, if someone votes against it, which is their choice, I would question their motivation. Again, no excuses.
Effective immediately all dues have been doubled. That means if you were paying 1 million, you owe 2 million. If you do not pay, we have a bill that addresses this problem and it will be enforced.
Draconian approach? Probably. Within my authority as President? Without question.
In closing, if the tone of this post seems ramped up, it was intended to be so. I do not speak here from a diplomatic standpoint. I speak here as the President who is disgusted with the effort of the vast majority of its members to assist the Coalition it wanted to be a part of. For those of you that have not helped or refuse to help in the future, you have my extreme disappointment. For those of you that have helped, and will continue to help, you have my highest praise and regards.
Yodaron Ballsithor"
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Eris Discordia
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Posted - 2004.01.07 20:49:00 -
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moved to Corporation section of the forum
I ♥ my pink dreadnought of pwnage
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Mr Blonde
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Posted - 2004.01.07 20:54:00 -
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Sounds kind of like curse ;)
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pooti
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Posted - 2004.01.07 20:54:00 -
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Admiral IceBlock
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Posted - 2004.01.07 20:55:00 -
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haha
"We brake for nobody"
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VeRbLe
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Posted - 2004.01.07 20:55:00 -
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Edited by: VeRbLe on 07/01/2004 20:57:38
I love the way Mindecho mails Yodaron saying that they lost because they was outnumbered when he just reversed the odds. we had 6 they had 8. and they didn't even get past shields on any of us. To be honest, they are terrible PvPers CFS has lost around 6 billion isk in battleships since we have been here. We have recorded all their names and got fraps movies of alot of their deaths which will be put together soon. We done this for the simple reason... they lie and say they lost nothing, i guess to keep morale up within the alliance.
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crice
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Posted - 2004.01.07 20:56:00 -
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Impressive. Congrats Mo0.
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pooti
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Posted - 2004.01.07 20:59:00 -
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you know i always liked the idea of guys working together to keep a large area of 0.0 'cause alliances & closed space are pretty lame
but, like, chaos is so much better
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.01.07 21:10:00 -
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Well done for taking out a group of miners and traders.
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Skillz
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Posted - 2004.01.07 21:15:00 -
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The CFSN were infact the YMCA Navy in orange suits. You add the lyric yourself.
Keep on flaming, lamers.
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Reverend Necrona
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Posted - 2004.01.07 21:16:00 -
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I actually feel sorry for the CFSN if that is the sort of support their reciving.
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pooti
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Posted - 2004.01.07 21:21:00 -
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Well done for taking out a group of miners and traders.
thx
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Lord Zap
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Posted - 2004.01.07 21:31:00 -
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I actually feel sorry for the CFSN if that is the sort of support their reciving.
Yeah me too. If Yodaron had thought things through they wouldnt be in this situation. Theyd been offered a very reasonable deal but instead Yodaron threw it back in my face, and now it has come to this. Oh well
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Nirvy
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Posted - 2004.01.07 21:45:00 -
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Quote:
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I actually feel sorry for the CFSN if that is the sort of support their reciving.
Yeah me too. If Yodaron had thought things through they wouldnt be in this situation. Theyd been offered a very reasonable deal but instead Yodaron threw it back in my face, and now it has come to this. Oh well
Same thing when we attacked CFS, only the same few CFSN pilots stood to fight, the majority of the corps just fled. Gotta give CFSN credit for sticking around really..as for the rest of the corps..well..
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Fargas
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Posted - 2004.01.07 21:50:00 -
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You mean the 2 billion ISK deal Lord Zap?
Interesting things is happening inside CFS and CFS space at the moment. Wonder what will come out of all this..
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Lord Zap
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Posted - 2004.01.07 22:21:00 -
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Fargas you want to donate anymore free battleships to m0o? 
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Fargas
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Posted - 2004.01.07 22:23:00 -
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Ask our pilots Zap. I'm not giving you an inch personally, but that's just poor little me
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Fargas
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Posted - 2004.01.07 22:28:00 -
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What. Did you talk to pooti?!
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Lord Zap
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Posted - 2004.01.07 22:28:00 -
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Ask our pilots Zap. I'm not giving you an inch personally, but that's just poor little me
From what your girlfriend told me you don't have much more than an inch to spare
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pooti
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Posted - 2004.01.07 22:40:00 -
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What. Did you talk to pooti?!
make up all the lies you want, yurito will never leave my side
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DigitalCommunist
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Posted - 2004.01.07 23:14:00 -
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Edited by: DigitalCommunist on 07/01/2004 23:20:29
From here on, what I say is of my own opinion, and is not related to that of my corporation.
I am not CFS, and niether is my corporation, and yet I've participated in more battles than 75% of the corporations in the CFS.
KWTFHUH?
The problem is that while the CFS is large, a large portion of them are total inactives. I've seen more NON-CFS corporations out in deep space (ie, beyond A2-V2) than I have CFS. Why? I don't know. And this has been like that even before m0o and before castor..
The whole m0o vs CFS thing is obvious any way you look at it, military might is pretty much equal. A large alliance, but a small military force basically.. many weak targets to choose from. On more than half, maybe three-quarters of the skirmishes I've been in, there weren't any CFS members participating outside of CFSN, Invidious and Rough-Necks. Yeah m0o caused a lot of losses, but the majority of those are quite frankly noobs in battleships/haulers strolling through deep space without a clue that the gate is being camped. Forshame..
For actual battles the losses have quite close, though I can't make a better estimate, I wasn't exactly counting. m0o has lost quite a number of battleships too, so they aren't unbeatable nor unstoppable by far. The only ones that haven't lost a battleship so far and that operate in the area are probably Stavros, Tibor, Opticon.. Masiah, Ywev, Zap, Verble, Vegeta and Negotiator are a few losses for them that I can remember.
But not getting into a 'who lost more' post here, for their losses, they still managed to score a lot of kills. This is because the attack force is at best 3-4 CFSN people at any given time(which are underfunded, and unpaid) and the rest are non-CFS supporters, with the remaining minority being actual CFS corps. Gang sizes usually average in the 15-20 with less than half that being battleship pilots, sometimes even less than five.
Its like the entire alliance relies on a few good pvpers (NAVY), and expects them to get the job done while underfunded and outnumbered. Quite sickening considering the amount of effort the CFSN has been putting in without getting any support whatsoever. Frankly I'm not even sure if some corporations out here even have military divisions at all? 
If you put the "usual" CFSN crew up against m0o in a battle, m0o would outnumber CFSN 2 to 1 easily. And thats assuming m0o can get their "usual" 8 battleships together. Sad? Yah. 
Funding? Seriously, their tax system is 1mil per 20 people in the corp per week. WTF? That wouldn't have been considered a lot five months ago, let alone now. If it were up to me, it'd be 1mil per PERSON per week, especially considering that a large portion of the CFS is corporations with only a few people in them (certainty under 20). I'm betting the CFS doesn't even get 100mil per week from taxes, which can't even buy a single tier two battleship now.  I felt sorry for people that fight, and gave them a few mil and a cruiser.. considering how fat and rich some of the CFS have gotten over these last few "peaceful" months, I wouldn't even consider THAT a bare minimum. They take advantage of the protection an alliance has to offer, but do not return the favour.. What is the point then? You think CFSN wanna fight every day to cover your arse when you don't even wanna support them?
What's with giving BPC's? You think giving blueprint copies is going to help the Navy? lol.. they need isk, minerals and ammo, not some worthless copies that don't even go for much on the market anymore. I've even seen CFS people trying to sell battleships to the navy at market price minus a few mil as a "CFSN discount". WTF IS THE MATTER WITH YOU PEOPLE?
*sigh* I'm annoyed as you can see..
As for m0o, some of them aren't bad and you can have a normal conversation with em, but some of them are total tards who don't deserve the oxygen they're breathing. Same applies for their PvP skills. But that can be said for pretty much any corp these days.. Thanks for the two weeks of constant pvp action, the funny chases, the interesting conversations, and most of all kicking some sense into the carebears that reside within CFS territory. The few people that actually do want to make a difference and make it free space for all legit people to use: good work, and don't give up. For all you slackers that don't do jack and complain day and night about being busy with something else, then wonder why the Navy can't do it alone: end yourselves.
At least the CFS is coming to its senses and realizing that a majority of the people in it are assuming their tax payments exempt them from military service. IMHO military service should NOT be optional, and if you really don't have the skills to fight, then you'd better be doing your damnest to make up for it.
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Ends
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Posted - 2004.01.07 23:19:00 -
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Edited by: Ends on 07/01/2004 23:20:56
We are going to get money to the navy digital, we are modifying the free space bill to allow us to toll entry. We are going to give our people a REASON to be active and the money to do it with.
Ends.
P.S. Digital YOU KICK ASS! Digi is the CFS frigate champion and a top tier PvP pilot who has been there for the CFS at every turn. He is a true hero. Its for people like him that we are making our changes for. We HAVE to give the heros swords and armour, and fast.
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VeRbLe
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Posted - 2004.01.07 23:20:00 -
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Yeah right newb. ive only lost 1 ship in the whole game and that was a megathron 5 months ago.. shows how good your recording skills are. noobtard
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DigitalCommunist
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Posted - 2004.01.07 23:23:00 -
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Yeah I've heard that one before ¼_¼
You need combatants more than you need the money. 5 Navy guys with a bil isk each isn't going to win you any battles, and will only ensure more losses, and greater carelessness. 50 noobs in battleships that can barely lock and fire is still better than 5 guys who know what they're doing.
If anything, you're encouraging the "pay isk to get out of pvp" notion even more.
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Sassinak
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Posted - 2004.01.07 23:23:00 -
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Edited by: Sassinak on 07/01/2004 23:25:36
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Yeah right newb. ive only lost 1 ship in the whole game and that was a megathron 5 months ago.. shows how good your recording skills are. noobtard
lol pwned
DigitalCommunist wtf u smokin dude weve killed like LOTS of CFS "Navy"
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DigitalCommunist
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Posted - 2004.01.07 23:25:00 -
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Yeah right newb. ive only lost 1 ship in the whole game and that was a megathron 5 months ago.. shows how good your recording skills are. noobtard
Those are CFS stats from their forum, I wasn't in that battle. noobtard
Now give back the Oxygen..
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pooti
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Posted - 2004.01.07 23:25:00 -
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i always think of the core of cfsn as being digitalcommunist, fedaykin & cougar one, 'cause those are the guys that *always* show up when i'm running around.
not true, apparently.
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DigitalCommunist
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Posted - 2004.01.07 23:27:00 -
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pooti rocks, he's a pretty good pirate and a pretty good frigate pilot too.. the above "noobtard" could learn from his pvp skills
was fun chasin ya
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Lord Zap
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Posted - 2004.01.07 23:27:00 -
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Edited by: Lord Zap on 07/01/2004 23:30:07
Digital you are posting utter crap. We've only ever fought you when completely outnumbered because quite simply you'd be foolish to engage us on an equal footing. But anyways, carry on deluding yourself and maybe if you try hard enough you can delude the game population too. But we really know whats happened between us...
Oh and as for the losses being pretty equal LMAOMGROFLMAOOMGOMGROFLROFLROFL
COmplete crap, fedaykin n00b has gone through 5 scorps in as many days. We've lost 6 battleships TOTAL in all the time we've been down here. On several occasions I've seen you lose that many in a single fight...
Go figure
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Stavros
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Posted - 2004.01.07 23:28:00 -
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Ok your post is too long for me to read, but we count kills and losses of everything above frigates:
We have lost 6 bships since this began k?
Since we have been here we have killed over 76 bships and god only knows how many cruisers and indies. We also have the proof unlike you.
We have read your forums, we have heard how you suspect we are 'funded by ccp' or that we 'exploited our money'. I won't embarrass you all by posting quotes on here, K?
You guys are pathetic, your navy was in tatters to start off with, your leaders are BEGGING cfs corps to put up navy reserve recruits for extra cannon fodder. You have whole threads with training ideas and drills.
You have been bested sirs without a shadow of a doubt.
Since I have been watching last samurai tonight and I am feeling honourable I will present you with this oppurtunity.
We do not need or want money...
We do not need or want ships...
We want ONE post from the president of the CFS entitled "m0o Owned Us" with the same text in the content, we will then leave cfs space and find somewhere else to play.
To finish off here is a comment from a cfs member in cfs public from about 10 minutes ago.
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Delletta > thanks to insureance we have more money now then we did before
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Proof of our kill ratio..
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Talon SilverHawk
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Posted - 2004.01.07 23:29:00 -
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Well well lets see I wonder if the fact that Castor came in and that most peeps are in Empire space Chasing tech 2 has anything to do with it hmmmmm.
Looked at a map last night and most of 0.0 was empty with only a few peeps it seemed in Venal.
You havent routed ****. As there hasnt been **** to rout.
Digital thanks for your support man. It will be remembered
And to the Rats things will change, Tech 2 will come and be widely available and mining in low sec will get sorted so ppl will return and then I imagine things will change for all Alliances. Then I see lots of rats being hoisted by there own petards.
Well see. Interesting times ahead.
Tal
Ooooh I can feel the heat now.
What goes around comes around...
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Nicholas Marshal
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Posted - 2004.01.07 23:30:00 -
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I think that until deployable disruptors and a method of tracking pilots in space (Ie. to stop jumping to a 'safe spot') are introduced, any sort of engagement with moo (or any other pirates for that matter is just pointless.
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DigitalCommunist
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Posted - 2004.01.07 23:39:00 -
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K, this is turning into a flame war fast.. forum battles suck, so please keep it out of here.
Don't know what Zap is talking about, or Stav..my comment about losses being near equal are between m0o and those that fight on a regular basis.. but I don't know if Fedaykin lost 5 scorps.. if thats true then my above statement is incorrect, but only emphasizes my above point: CFS military is undermanned for their size. Wanna argue that?
In general, CFS is getting owned
.. because too many people aren't doing anything
this is just through the eyes of an observer, I really don't care if they lose 500 battleships, as long as they get their act together
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Stavros
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Posted - 2004.01.07 23:43:00 -
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Dude I have read your own forums, your guys are begging people to come and fight.
Don't give me the 'dont regularly fight' stuff, last night was an organised event of cfs to get together a fleet of reservists and auxillaries to come fight us, this is an every day occurance.
What are we supposed to do NOT shoot at everyone but those in cfsn or cfsnr even when they are actively engaged in fleets to kill us?
If they are in a cfs corp and they are trying to attack us, they are counted. Deal.
Stav
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DigitalCommunist
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Posted - 2004.01.07 23:44:00 -
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I think that until deployable disruptors and a method of tracking pilots in space (Ie. to stop jumping to a 'safe spot') are introduced, any sort of engagement with moo (or any other pirates for that matter is just pointless.
OMG..
of course its pointless, a lot of times when I went out to kill someone, they just sit in midspace or log (cept pooti, which is why he's cool )
but why on earth claim CFS free space if you're not willing to defend it 24/7?
I can't believe I'm reading this..
I should just go end myself right now before I appear to be a bigger CFS supporter than CFS itself
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DigitalCommunist
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Posted - 2004.01.07 23:49:00 -
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might wanna remove this from your kill list then:
20/12/03 00:49:32 Apothis JGR Corporation
Apothis is niether a fighter, nor was he attacking you, nor are we CFS.
As for you saying "we read your own forums", I wouldn't know since they're not my forums. 
I don't even know what we're arguing over? I already said as an observer, I see that CFS is getting owned because the majority of them don't wanna fight. k?
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Negotiator
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Posted - 2004.01.07 23:54:00 -
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Digi, u realize that u can delete your messages right? unless someone gave me "moderator" status  . Go to edit, then press DELETE button under the message box.
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DigitalCommunist
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Posted - 2004.01.08 00:02:00 -
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Digi, u realize that u can delete your messages right? unless someone gave me "moderator" status . Go to edit, then press DELETE button under the message box.
Cool, thanks 
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Luc Boye
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Posted - 2004.01.08 00:22:00 -
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Edited by: Ends on 07/01/2004 23:20:56
We are going to get money to the navy digital, we are modifying the free space bill to allow us to toll entry. We are going to give our people a REASON to be active and the money to do it with.
Ends.
And how, exactly, are you going to enforce those tolls? Not like you have any military to back it up, by the look of the things.
1 mil/20 ppl/week?
LOL I make 1 mil/hour doing lame ass missions.
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Lord Zap
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Posted - 2004.01.08 00:30:00 -
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R*I*P* Coalition of "FREE" (LMAO) Stars
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Spokesman
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Posted - 2004.01.08 00:32:00 -
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Seems to CFS is clearly displaying the problem with having an alliance made up mostly of miners and traders.
Those greedy people think more in the way of "What I don't hand over to the alliance is profit for myself" instead of "If I hand over my money the alliance I will help us all".
Greedy people will always consider other people that demand money as greedy and without responsibilty when it comes to money. Even if these people need it for 'the greater good'.
People that gave up making money as the greatest goal in EVE, will have a lot more fun. They give a real purpose to the money they make other money to make more money. Wether that be piracy, claiming space or helping others.
Small detail: IMHO people that blow other people up with no intension to making money either directly (pirate) or indirectly (guard) but only for the kill, because they have money to burn, have a bad influence on this game.
I think another problem is that few people in this game are really willing to really give themselves to something. Meaning that you have to listen to orders, do boring stuff, risk everything you have etc.
Yes CEOs do that, since most of the time you are doing boring stupid stuff. But they do it because they have the need to be 'in control' or just like power. The main reason why there are so many of those useless 4 player corps.
But they don't sacrifce much, doing tedious stuff is part of the 'being in control'.
Especially in something like an alliance doing dull things are important and sacrificing for the greater good are important, yet nobody is willing to do it.
An example:
If I take a look at Stavros' little list is see that by far the most kills were in the A3-V27 system.
Ofcourse I'm not sure of this because I don't have all the info. But I think m0o would have a lot more difficulty with killing off so many players if CFS would just have appointed 50 frequent online players half-able to do PvP, put them in a corp, give these players a large stack of battleships and equipment, paid by all the other players, for which in return they are online as much as possible adn their sole task being to defend A2-V27 24/7 with as much players as possible. So not farming, no missions, and bad payment other then you are flying a battleship and perhaps a weekly small fee.
But then ofcourse the problem: who would be willing to sacrifice his time for this? Not many CFS members appearently. Both traders/miners as PvP-ers.
The first don't want to part with their money, the second don't want to do tedious jobs. How were you ever going to keep a alliance running that way.
You should be thanking m0o for clearing up for you that you are no alliance. Just a bunch of greedy kids who don't want to follow orders or support the few that do care and put time and effort into making an alliance work.
Being part of something larger ALWAYS means having to sacrificing something. That can be wealth, freedom and sometimes even fun.
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Ezra
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Posted - 2004.01.08 00:46:00 -
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Looked at a map last night and most of 0.0 was empty with only a few peeps it seemed in Venal.
Obviously you're blind then, as there has been plenty of activity in other regions than Venal. FYI, the "number of pilots in space" is often bugged and usually shows far less than the actual real number of pilots in a system.
If there hasn't been anything for them to rout, why are there 16 podkills in A2-V27?
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Talon SilverHawk
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Posted - 2004.01.08 01:01:00 -
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Quote:
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Looked at a map last night and most of 0.0 was empty with only a few peeps it seemed in Venal.
Obviously you're blind then, as there has been plenty of activity in other regions than Venal. FYI, the "number of pilots in space" is often bugged and usually shows far less than the actual real number of pilots in a system.
If there hasn't been anything for them to rout, why are there 16 podkills in A2-V27?
Love it when someone contradicts themselve in there own post
So is it im blind or the fact that the map shows inaccurate readings hmmm
What goes around comes around...
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dalman
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Posted - 2004.01.08 01:04:00 -
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Love it when someone contradicts themselve in there own post
So is it im blind or the fact that the map shows inaccurate readings hmmm
Seriously, if you don't know that the map isn't accurate when local pass about 12, then you've never taken part in big ops of any kind.
Seriously, I don't think I've seen the map display more than 20 in one system ever. But I've seen 100+ in local...
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Stained
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Posted - 2004.01.08 01:25:00 -
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Quote:
Quote:
I think that until deployable disruptors and a method of tracking pilots in space (Ie. to stop jumping to a 'safe spot') are introduced, any sort of engagement with moo (or any other pirates for that matter is just pointless.
OMG..
of course its pointless, a lot of times when I went out to kill someone, they just sit in midspace or log (cept pooti, which is why he's cool )
but why on earth claim CFS free space if you're not willing to defend it 24/7?
I can't believe I'm reading this..
I should just go end myself right now before I appear to be a bigger CFS supporter than CFS itself
Last time I 1v1 you Blackbird vs Blackbird you ran. Calling us cowards now? .....pfft k.
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DigitalCommunist
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Posted - 2004.01.08 01:31:00 -
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Last time I 1v1 you Blackbird vs Blackbird you ran. Calling us cowards now? .....pfft k.
k, I warped to the gate, you jammed me from 40km I warp out, then TWD logs on in an apoc before i warp back..
and going to midspace or logging isn't cowardly, everyone does it when they face higher odds.. both cfs and m0o
my point was its often pointless to mass together a fleet to free up the gate again when they don't necessarily have to fight you but you still do it if you've got "principles" to defend.
don't take things so literally
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The Reverend
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Posted - 2004.01.08 02:46:00 -
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In the end, whatever the reason, since m0o have moved into an active pirating role around CFS space, the regions described have emptied, the CFS fleet is broken, your morale is all but destroyed and your internal senate is ripping itself apart, all because a corp of 42 members.
Empire may be free of our influence for now, but anarchy follows us whereever we go.
The question is, do you pay us off now or when u finally realise that having us as your landlords will ruin any chance of u keeping ahead in the race for Tech II.
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Homo Erectus
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Posted - 2004.01.08 02:48:00 -
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It seems that history is not without a sense of irony.
Curse, home of several piratical corporations, was ousted and run through by those who wished to grope the piratical corporations.
Now the CFS, home to those who had a strong disdain of piratical corporations, are having to deal with those pirates who ran from Curse.
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BobGhengisKhan
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Posted - 2004.01.08 02:51:00 -
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Edited by: BobGhengisKhan on 08/01/2004 02:55:44
Yeah, homo, it was evol that chased us off. Not the constant CA mining, the shouting on teamspeak, nor our abysmally short attention spans
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Ends
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Posted - 2004.01.08 02:57:00 -
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Its OK Homo, you just did what you need to do its not your fault. I would be interested in talking to you about how things went in fountain when similar things happened. Seems like fountain is doing OK now. We'll get this figured out. I should point out that the NFSB has not passeed yet. So this all might be for naught.
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Homo Erectus
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Posted - 2004.01.08 02:57:00 -
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Your admittance is noted, sarcasm asside.
But, you were a member of the CA when the "there's always deniability" campaign was in full swing, so I don't expect a straight arrow to be shot from your bow. |
BobGhengisKhan
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Posted - 2004.01.08 02:58:00 -
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I never supported any of those BS "public-relations" ploys. I just wanted to blow things up
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Homo Erectus
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Posted - 2004.01.08 03:00:00 -
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Sorry to say Ends, that there isn't much to talk about.
When m0o/sinc/TLBC came to Fountain, we simply killed them and they ran away.
Good luck to you in your fight. |
Lord Zap
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Posted - 2004.01.08 03:14:00 -
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Edited by: Lord Zap on 08/01/2004 03:16:20
Edited by: Lord Zap on 08/01/2004 03:15:39
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Sorry to say Ends, that there isn't much to talk about.
When m0o/sinc/TLBC came to Fountain, we simply killed them and they ran away.
Good luck to you in your fight.
LOL, what a fanciful imagination you possess.
ps. Homo you look like a deformed foetus in a space suit
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Homo Erectus
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Posted - 2004.01.08 03:18:00 -
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to: BobGhengisKahn
from: Homo Erectus
cc: Lord Zap
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But, you were a member of the CA when the "there's always deniability" campaign was in full swing, so I don't expect a straight arrow to be shot from your bow.
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BobGhengisKhan
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Posted - 2004.01.08 03:21:00 -
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For the squirrels?
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Negotiator
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Posted - 2004.01.08 03:28:00 -
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Homo, soz, but i think ur mistaken. I dont know what was going on in Fountain since i was on a different side of the map at the tim.
But i dont think m0o left CA because "they were getting their asses handed to them". Im pretty sure they got bored with going through NAP database every time they saw a ship... [m0o] still has good relations with CA and we help them in their war with SA/EVOL because...well...we dont like u much...i think u get the point...
This is just my opinion.
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Rebellion
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Posted - 2004.01.08 03:47:00 -
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Actually, Zap said that the reason was because CA kept on hurling "exploit" instead of just owning up to the losses.
Of course, you guys contradict yourselves so often that it's not really worth mulling over.
The Reverend: "With the continuing destruction of Stain, New Venal and other so called pirate free alliances, it seems only a matter of time before all law abiding alliances are broken up and tossed into the flames from whence they came."
I guess he just declared war on CA too.
No worries. I've come to expect little in the way of cognition from m0o.
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pooti
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Posted - 2004.01.08 04:00:00 -
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the people in m0o left ca for many, many reasons, and they vary to person to person (although i guess there may be common core reasons between the older members - i wouldnt know as prior to joining m0o i had never really talked to anyone in the corp). i still root for them and all, and have many friends there (although i havent actually talked to anyone outside of our old ceo since we left), but, well.
there's much better things to pick at than the m0o - ca relations
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Lord Zap
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Posted - 2004.01.08 15:55:00 -
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Actually, Zap said that the reason was because CA kept on hurling "exploit" instead of just owning up to the losses.
Of course, you guys contradict yourselves so often that it's not really worth mulling over.
The Reverend: "With the continuing destruction of Stain, New Venal and other so called pirate free alliances, it seems only a matter of time before all law abiding alliances are broken up and tossed into the flames from whence they came."
I guess he just declared war on CA too.
No worries. I've come to expect little in the way of cognition from m0o.
MAny reasons for us leaving the CA, none of which really concern you. Our reasons are our own and we certainly don't have to explain ourselves to you. This was a thread about m0o and CFS but as usual stupid Evol tards have to come and hijack it and turn it into a "m0o left the CA cus we Pwnz0r them" thread. Well done. HAve a cookie
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KIAEddZ
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Posted - 2004.01.08 16:00:00 -
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EddZ: Looks like Moo are next Guys.
KIA-R: Jups Jups Jups
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=176347
www.kia-corp.co.uk/killboard
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crice
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Posted - 2004.01.08 16:03:00 -
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EddZ: Looks like Moo are next Guys.
KIA-R: Jups Jups Jups
Next?
Are you hoping that the Mo0 are easier to fight?
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KIAEddZ
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Posted - 2004.01.08 16:04:00 -
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It gets easier?
Woot ;) xx Crice.
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=176347
www.kia-corp.co.uk/killboard
CEO of KIA Corp - Been doing it for the Laydeez since 1993, now we i |
KIAEddZ
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Posted - 2004.01.08 16:04:00 -
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Edited by: KIAEddZ on 08/01/2004 16:05:49
oooh nice fowum make me multiple post.
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=176347
www.kia-corp.co.uk/killboard
CEO of KIA Corp - Been doing it for the Laydeez since 1993, now we i |
KIAEddZ
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Posted - 2004.01.08 16:04:00 -
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Edited by: KIAEddZ on 08/01/2004 16:05:11
oooh nice fowum make me multiple post.
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=176347
www.kia-corp.co.uk/killboard
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Yurito
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Posted - 2004.01.09 05:54:00 -
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huh? what's going on? is CFS getting owned again? :P I LOVE YOU ALL!!! HI POOTI :) I LOVE YOU GUYS, I LOVE CHATTIN' WITH YOU IN CFS PUBLIC, HAHA
and here's another direct order to CFS from their leader (ME) - put on some carebear miner 2's and go mine scordite in 1.0 systems!!! even in scorps and BB's, we're going to kick those 'roids asses!
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Drogon
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Posted - 2004.01.09 10:30:00 -
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You know i've been in the FIX trying to help fight the mOo because I believe in the concept of Free Space. Without it i wouldn't make 20mil a day mining Bistot in the FIX . ive got instajump BMs to get around the blockades so I dont really have to fight but if me throwing a couple of Torps at mOo BSs can help out I'm willing to do it and my corp's not even a member of the CFS. I havent been offered any support or given any money (except for Madcap loaning me a couple of mil while my ore was in transit to the refiners) to help and I've given several million in ammo for the cause (even lost a rupture first on the list stav and yes i was podded on that day by TWD) hopefully I get a chance to pay him back for that. Anyways, the isk is out there in the FIX and you need to protect it from the pirate corps or they start multipling. Rats are like roaches -- you turn the light on and they will scatter
Director, Divine Retribution
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Miso
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Posted - 2004.01.09 11:52:00 -
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Well, if M0o have increased nothing more in Eve, its the level of bullsh*t. Like we needed anymore of that
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heavyg
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Posted - 2004.01.09 13:40:00 -
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huh? what's going on? is CFS getting owned again? :P I LOVE YOU ALL!!! HI POOTI :) I LOVE YOU GUYS, I LOVE CHATTIN' WITH YOU IN CFS PUBLIC, HAHA
and here's another direct order to CFS from their leader (ME) - put on some carebear miner 2's and go mine scordite in 1.0 systems!!! even in scorps and BB's, we're going to kick those 'roids asses!
well Yuri, if the enemy of my enemy is my friend does the reverse follow?
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Homo Erectus
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Posted - 2004.01.09 14:14:00 -
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zap, I don't think we're deserving of your harsh tone. please refrain from being offensive in the future, thanks. |
Lord Zap
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Posted - 2004.01.09 17:29:00 -
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zap, I don't think we're deserving of your harsh tone. please refrain from being offensive in the future, thanks.
LOL OK m8 sorry
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Rizmordan Hillgotlieb
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Posted - 2004.01.09 17:40:00 -
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-Lord Zap-
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Well done. HAve a cookie
Watch that phrase... I think Viceroy has exclusive rights to that one. As S.I. Legal Counsel he may sue your azz.
Posting for Numbnutz |
Stavros
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Posted - 2004.01.10 01:33:00 -
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ahh jericho fraction, the corp with the overal biggest difference between forum presence and ingame presence... you go men.. (i say men cos u all are)
hey anyone else like that song...
SHUT UP JUST SHUT UP SHUT UP, SHUT UP JUST SHUT UP SHUTUP!
I love that song...
Any rumours that i might be drunk now are all lies...
Stavykins
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heavyg
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Posted - 2004.01.10 01:43:00 -
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Any rumours that i might be drunk now are all lies...
Stavykins
Stav drinking on a friday night, nooo never i dont believe it :))
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