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CCP kieron
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Posted - 2007.05.22 22:42:00 -
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Recent connectivity issues caused by one of our ISPs has impacted the QA testing of the network improvements and reduce lag added to the patch code yesterday. As a result, deployment of the Revelations 1.4.3 patch has been delayed and will begin at 1100 GMT on Thursday 24 May extending through 1400 GMT. We apologize for any inconvenience caused by the delay.
Patch Notes are available for review.
Please note: Training a long learning duration skill ending after the scheduled return to service is recommended.
kieron
Community Manager,
EVE Online, CCP Games
Email/Netfang
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Fredou
Gallente
Hidden Agenda
Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2007.05.22 22:54:00 -
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again? 
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Anaalys Fluuterby
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.05.22 23:04:00 -
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 Originally by: Fredou
again?
With no changes in the patch notes 
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Factional Warfare:
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MrTripps
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.05.22 23:48:00 -
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/me shakes fist at CCP's ISP.
"Life is nothing but a competition to be the criminal rather than the victim."
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Azerrad InExile
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Posted - 2007.05.23 00:14:00 -
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So Friday then?
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Azrail Almooran
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Posted - 2007.05.23 01:08:00 -
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So the servers are down till then?
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Cyan Nuevo
The Blackguard Wolves
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Posted - 2007.05.23 01:34:00 -
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Huh? TQ is up right now.
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Sinnbad Mayhem
Amarr
Pitch Black Incorporated
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Posted - 2007.05.23 03:17:00 -
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Thursday patch? Guess what day comes after that?
FRIDAY!!! You really want to roll the dice on that?
Better call the Airport, I got a feeling MURPHY is coming to town. OT for the admins. WOOT. 
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CPT Detwiler
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Posted - 2007.05.23 03:42:00 -
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Atleast you guys aren't in your 14 day trial...
I tried to play over my lunchbreak and all night tonight and I only get little 10 minute spirts (if that).
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Katana Seiko
Made in Germany
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Posted - 2007.05.23 06:09:00 -
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Interesting... I guess the best way to say it is that there's going to be an extended Towntime for patch deployment soonÖ.
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CCP Wrangler
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Posted - 2007.05.23 07:26:00 -
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Originally by: Anaalys Fluuterby
Originally by: Fredou
again?
With no changes in the patch notes
It is being delayed because circumstances beyond our control has delayed testing, not to add things to the patch, hence no changes to the patch notes.
Wrangler
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Callthetruth
Caldari
Logical Logtistics
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Posted - 2007.05.23 07:52:00 -
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gotta be tested to the ned then deployed
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Victor Valka
Caldari
Archon Industries
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Posted - 2007.05.23 07:53:00 -
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I'd push it back to Tuesday, 29th. Just to be on the safe side.
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Kaivaja
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Posted - 2007.05.23 08:18:00 -
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Would there be any chance to use these delays to fix regressions like remembering camera zoom between session changes or remembering the size of info windows? |
Gar Nomar
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Posted - 2007.05.23 11:18:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler
It is being delayed because circumstances beyond our control has delayed testing, not to add things to the patch, hence no changes to the patch notes.
... uh ... what about this little quote?
"...impacted the QA testing of the network improvements and reduce lag added to the patch code yesterday."
I don't see any mention of any network improvements or lag changes in the patch notes...
There's a lot about that EVE Voice (tried it... didn't like it...), mention of overview fixes (joy if it works), and fixes to exploits...
Where are the notes on network enhancements? Added "yesterday"... Sorry Mr. Wrangler, but you may want to actually TALK to the Dev Team BEFORE posting something that completely contradicts what has already been posted... There have been modifications to the patch and yet there are no modifications to the patch notes....
I realize you don't want to say anything about what was changed. That way if it fails miserably, you can deny anything was done with it in the first place and blame some random "scale" issue that wasn't able to be tested until it hit TQ...
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CCP Wrangler
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Posted - 2007.05.23 12:13:00 -
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Due to the testing problems we have cut some stuff out of the patch, and updated the patch notes.
So, what is left you say? This: A number of recently discovered and announced exploits will be resolved.
The good news is that we will most likely go ahead and patch tomorrow, Thursday.
Wrangler
Assistant Community Manager
EVE Online
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Hamfast
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.05.23 12:34:00 -
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Fully tested and bug free code (while a nice goal) has been shown to not be required in a good bisness model Link.
Getting things out on a predetermined date (even if the determination of that date is delayed) is...
Noob in training...
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RedClaws
Amarr
Dragon's Rage
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2007.05.23 12:52:00 -
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Show some respect guys...
First you whined cause you thought the communication was bad and now that they keep you updated you flame them.
The least you could do is formulate your flames into a politer version.
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Kappas.
Galaxy Punks
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.23 13:17:00 -
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Have you thought about changing the name of the company to Can't Choose Patchday? 
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Steelhound
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.05.23 13:26:00 -
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Yeesh. Last night I switched my skill training because I didn't want to chance the possibility that the server would be down for far longer than planned, resulting in lost training time. Now I find out that I shoulda just let it complete. You guys do know that this is the second time the same patch has been delayed 24 hours, right?
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Caius LiviusCerso
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Posted - 2007.05.23 14:56:00 -
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hmm would it be so hard to fix drones attacking corpses and secure cans??
wih all the delays...
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Udell Brandstone
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Posted - 2007.05.23 15:10:00 -
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Eve is a great game and it's really Cool that CCP keeps us updated with patch notes and downtime Schedules. Thanks CCP!!!
I have played to many games where they say they are working on a patch then Never release it. Be thankful that CCP does patch as they could just say thanks for the money and leave the game as it is.
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Deby Dallas
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Posted - 2007.05.23 15:13:00 -
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Seen the changes on Sisi and there worth waiting for, please confirm a date tho
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raven415
Caldari
Special Projects Corp
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Posted - 2007.05.23 16:33:00 -
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thanks for the update delays happen. drop the eve voice and maybe not as many eh.
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KingKenny
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Posted - 2007.05.23 16:33:00 -
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I thought the patch notes had some overview fixes in but they seem to have been dropped. Or was I mistaken
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Gar Nomar
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Posted - 2007.05.23 17:55:00 -
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Originally by: RedClaws
Show some respect guys...
First you whined cause you thought the communication was bad and now that they keep you updated you flame them.
The least you could do is formulate your flames into a politer version.
I don't consider challenging CCP to "Say what they Do, and Do what they Say" to be flaming them... It's one thing to claim to communicate and quite another to communicate effectively (and accurately).
This patch is a specific example of ineffective communication and quite possibly a broken patching system in general. A patch should not have been scheduled unless it had been finalized in testing. Once the patch is scheduled, this means it has been tested and approved for rollout... It does NOT mean it's almost ready, but there are a dozen or so other changes that we need to impliment that haven't even been tested yet (we will let TQ test them after rollout)...
I've been a developer in the past, so I DO mean to be harsh when it comes to programming effectively and efficiently (and honestly). I won't lie, and be gentle in my opinion of poor development behaviors...
CCP needs to stand up and face things like men (and women) and not the drunken sots they pretent (I hope) to be on EVE TV... |
Anaalys Fluuterby
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.05.23 19:27:00 -
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Originally by: RedClaws
Show some respect guys...
First you whined cause you thought the communication was bad and now that they keep you updated you flame them.
The least you could do is formulate your flames into a politer version.
The issue being is they have announced a patch claiming multiple fixes and updates, but almost nothing in the patch notes. I was commenting on WHEN were the patch notes to be updated with what was actually in the patch, and got a reply that the notes were accurate?
Label it a "Security and Exploit Fix" and don't entice us with patches promising improvements if you aren't going to add anything....
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Anaalys Fluuterby
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.05.23 19:29:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: Anaalys Fluuterby
Originally by: Fredou
again?
With no changes in the patch notes
It is being delayed because circumstances beyond our control has delayed testing, not to add things to the patch, hence no changes to the patch notes.
<-- was commenting that the "notes" were barely a scribble, with no substance. The only thing of interest appears pulled.
Please relabel as a "Security and Exploit Fix"
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Factional Warfare:
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Hienrich Vonstubblin
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Posted - 2007.05.23 19:57:00 -
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The hostility here is absolutely amazing, its amazing the Devs don't poke their heads in with some form of body armor on. That being said, id like to know the number of exploits that are being fixed. Could we finally see an end to POS bowling? If not, what exploits are you guys aware of and fixing? Throw us a bone.
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Madame Kaliear
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Posted - 2007.05.23 21:06:00 -
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So yet another delay in patching will this patch be bug Free, I look at all these patches is for a messy game what should be done in my humble opinion is the servers should be cleaned and Defragged thoroughly then ya'll shouls put us in a clean install with the new patch, then there wouldn't be so many after patches after a big new patch. But again this is just a humble opinion of a Old EvE player, 
Madame Kaliear: Of the Soon to be Kaliear's Assault Ships Corporation. |
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Trina Mador
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.05.23 21:19:00 -
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I know you guys are doing your best but would be nice not having to worrie for 3 days or more about what skill to set for patch day
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Michael Woodard
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Posted - 2007.05.23 22:10:00 -
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I have a skill that has 6 days left on it so I am not worried about the patch interupting my time. All I can say is I hope the devs can get there patch working thats all.
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Gal'Devari
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Posted - 2007.05.23 22:21:00 -
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Originally by: CCP kieron
Recent connectivity issues caused by one of our ISPs has impacted the QA testing of the network improvements and reduce lag added to the patch code yesterday. As a result, deployment of the Revelations 1.4.3 patch has been delayed and will begin at 1100 GMT on Thursday 24 May extending through 1400 GMT. We apologize for any inconvenience caused by the delay.
Patch Notes are available for review.
Please note: Training a long learning duration skill ending after the scheduled return to service is recommended.
Sadly i can confirm that indeed they have been having backbone issues in a node out of london. I wont list it but connnecting from the usa i have excellent throughput to that particular node which drops me every few minutes to 20 minutes. It happens the worse during peak hours (afternoon evening from usa ) due to heavier load.
I am glad to see you addressing this issue, because it is not much fun to login get setup and crash. log in setup crash for hours on end or simply dont play game at all  peace guys
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Khel'tar
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Posted - 2007.05.24 00:12:00 -
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Wicked, pratically the only night this week I had to play. Now I remember why I installed Sup Com.
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Achura, the best stats. Pity it had to be caldari.
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Guillame Herschel
Gallente
Cheers Restaurant and Bar
Coalition Of Empires
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Posted - 2007.05.24 01:03:00 -
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Edited by: Guillame Herschel on 24/05/2007 01:01:43
Originally by: Gar Nomar
"...impacted the QA testing of the network improvements and reduce lag added to the patch code yesterday."
I wonder how you go about adding reduced lag to the code?
#include lag.h
//int lag = 20;
int lag = 10;
Something like that?
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Gar Nomar
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Posted - 2007.05.24 03:00:00 -
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Originally by: Guillame Herschel
Edited by: Guillame Herschel on 24/05/2007 01:01:43
Originally by: Gar Nomar
"...impacted the QA testing of the network improvements and reduce lag added to the patch code yesterday."
I wonder how you go about adding reduced lag to the code?
#include lag.h
//int lag = 20;
int lag = 10;
Something like that?
HAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!
Beautiful!!!!
Seriously, though... the Devs seem to be avoiding THIS particular thread like it's the plague! Oh well... Didn't expect anything else from them... |
LordGodKingBufu
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Posted - 2007.05.24 10:40:00 -
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Same sh1t different ****s spouting it...
get over it people, patch day cometh when it cometh.
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Daygore Aracnus
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Posted - 2007.05.24 11:02:00 -
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a) leave the devs alown
b) this is a minor bug fixing patch most normal pepole dont relase loads of new features in a bug fixing patch O_o
c) ccp != ccp isp so they cannot control them hence this slip so ssssh
d) yay patch day
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Seriously, though... the Devs seem to be avoiding THIS particular thread like it's the plague! Oh well... Didn't expect anything else from them... Rolling Eyesugh
e) if you see 10 posts telling you that you suck (not what i think :P) would you post if you were a mature adult unless you had something to say about the actual reason for the topic O_o
for the record yes i am a developer (not at ccp (i wish :P))
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Aeterno
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Posted - 2007.05.24 11:24:00 -
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I wonder, will you all be this hostile towards the devs when you want them to do something, to add something or remove a bug? Grow up and those of you who claim to have been devs should understand that patches DO get delayed and that communicating effectively with hundreds/thousands of people is always going to be hard. The fact that CCP are attempting communication puts them above most software developers.
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Gar Nomar
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Posted - 2007.05.24 11:36:00 -
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You are right... I shouldn't say the Dev's suck (I don't think I actually did...). Being a developer isn't easy, and yes, I was also a dev in a past life...
What sucks is CCPs current process of development...
Before the WW merger and before the huge explosion in company size, this sort of shoddy developemnt would not have taken place.
This is not a flame about bad devs... this is a challenge callout to CCP to fix their developement procedures. I'm tired of losing nearly a week of activity before, during, and after every patch because they are not following good patching practices!
I pay good money for this game! I'm not interested in paying to be CCPs beta tester every time they make a modification to the game! I love this game. I've paid for a year on two accounts, but I bet I've lost nearly a month's time due to crappy patching and "Hardware issues" in the past 6 months!
Look at what they posted on this particular patch day:
"You may have experienced lag or other problems on Tranquility today. This is caused by hardware problems, resulting in node deaths. We're working hard to resolve this."
http://myeve.eve-online.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=1459&tid=1
Bottom line is this...
CCP should NEVER post a patch until it is FINISHED in testing! Once a patch IS finalized and marked for deployment, there should be NO FURTHER MODIFICATIONS! It's those "last minute" rewrites that screw things up...
I wonder if it would be possible for CCP to adopt the Guild Wars update model? Micro patching might make things faster and easier to update... If they find they screwed up, they could reverse things easier by simply reposting the changed files and the clients would grab them on the next startup.... Maybe this is covered in another thread...
I'm done now... see everyone next patch! :) |
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treeslide
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Posted - 2007.05.24 11:58:00 -
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my build isnt on the list if i have to re-install does that mean i lose my charchetr and stats ?
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Gamajan
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Posted - 2007.05.24 12:00:00 -
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BTW where IS the patch? Server is up, but I can't find the patch in the patch section and it is not downloading automatically via the client.
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Daniella Althera
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Posted - 2007.05.24 12:22:00 -
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Originally by: Gamajan
BTW where IS the patch? Server is up, but I can't find the patch in the patch section and it is not downloading automatically via the client.
Same here.
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Remorer
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Posted - 2007.05.24 12:24:00 -
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Maybe they dont want a truckload of players log on when the patching is not finished?
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Daniella Althera
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Posted - 2007.05.24 12:30:00 -
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Originally by: Remorer
Maybe they dont want a truckload of players log on when the patching is not finished?
Tq has both restricted and private modes used previously when CCP has been patching it. Currently it's in normal state which is...dumb.
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mendova
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Posted - 2007.05.24 13:16:00 -
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At least most of yall are in europe someplace, some of us are int he States and are -6 to GMT so it takes longer for us to get the patchl. and with CCP isp issues it will take longer :P.
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PHPR Freighter
Minmatar
PTS Industries
United Corporations Against Macros
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Posted - 2007.05.24 13:17:00 -
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6:16 am and no freaking patch :(
I want to get some macro hunting in before I head to school... only got an hour of playing time last night.
GMT -7 FTL :(
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Panther Sieg
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Posted - 2007.05.24 13:17:00 -
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Get your timezones in order, still 1 hr to go so chill
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Nick Deckard
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Posted - 2007.05.24 13:22:00 -
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I got the patch and I installed it and now I get this friggin "Incompatible (Release)" message. What's up with that?
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Lucas Coldhand
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Posted - 2007.05.24 13:22:00 -
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Edited by: Lucas Coldhand on 24/05/2007 13:22:09
3pm in GMT+1 here so it should be done around now, uh?
My client gives me: "incompatible (build)" and refuses to download anything. (on Tranquility)
Is it normal, anyone else experiencing this?
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Pathagen
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Posted - 2007.05.24 13:22:00 -
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Edited by: Pathagen on 24/05/2007 13:22:11
EVE Time 1420 ATM I just wish they would post something about an ETA for getting us the ptch it has always been us the ones who pay the money who are left in the dark. Please let us know something......
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Cornelius Murphy
Cutting Edge Incorporated
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Posted - 2007.05.24 13:23:00 -
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Originally by: Sinnbad Mayhem
Edited by: Sinnbad Mayhem on 23/05/2007 23:58:10
sets long skill and hopes no MURPHY visits
good luck your going to need it
bwahahaha, tool late. Murphy is here, be afraid!
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Aeterno
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Posted - 2007.05.24 13:25:00 -
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I just get "Server is currently not accepting connections" :-) can't be long to go 14:22 GMT
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Candyman Dyer
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Posted - 2007.05.24 13:26:00 -
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Patch is available.
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Pathagen
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Posted - 2007.05.24 13:27:00 -
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of course after i vent it is there lol
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PHPR Freighter
Minmatar
PTS Industries
United Corporations Against Macros
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Posted - 2007.05.24 13:32:00 -
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its not 1400+ yet...
<3 CCP for coming through with the patch... I was just logging into Runescape :/
Scream if you support Macro Pirating. |
Zoea
Minmatar
Synergy.
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.05.24 13:35:00 -
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700k download and patch and all is well.
The lag is NOTICABLY better :) I am on ADSL in London UK so prolly I had minimal latency to start with to the cluster. But, now, all actions in eve are noticably less latency. I'll have to confirm this - but initial impressions are an impressive change here :)
Nice one CCP. Bring on the client improvements and optimisations we still see hardware strugging here ! :) Oh and you don't NEED to introduce those with new content, you know :)
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Sorrows Kiss
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2007.05.24 13:36:00 -
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Time is a odd thing, we will get patch eventualy so, guess i'll just chill... "arggggg Give Eve"
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Feissi
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Posted - 2007.05.24 13:38:00 -
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It's dalight saving time or that **** adding 1h to your gmt :) Finland is gmt+2 but seems like now its gmt+3 :P
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foehammer mk2
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.05.24 13:39:00 -
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I wait in huge anticipation
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Frater Perdurabo
Amarr
The Ancient Illuminated Seers of Bavaria
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Posted - 2007.05.24 13:54:00 -
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Originally by: Lucas Coldhand
Edited by: Lucas Coldhand on 24/05/2007 13:22:09
3pm in GMT+1 here so it should be done around now, uh?
Originally by: Pathagen
Edited by: Pathagen on 24/05/2007 13:22:11
EVE Time 1420 ATM I just wish they would post something about an ETA for getting us the ptch it has always been us the ones who pay the money who are left in the dark. Please let us know something......
Funny thread, i advise the majority of you (particularly the above posters) to LEARN TO TELL THE ******* TIME
Clarification for people who need it spelled out for them: Forum post time stamp of 13:22 means its 13:22 GMT. Therefore eve time is probably, oh i dunno... say 13:22? GMT +1 would be 14:22 not 3pm.
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Good isnt it.
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CCP Wrangler
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Posted - 2007.05.24 14:23:00 -
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Please use this thread to discuss the patch. 
Wrangler
Assistant Community Manager
EVE Online
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