Originally by: Removal Tool

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The Hitpoint doubling buff was way too much. A 25% damage increase is the fix.

Sound off like you've got a pair peeps!!!

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Originally by: Crescens

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Stronger tanking encourages blobbing. If you can't break someone's tank on your own, you HAVE to bring a blob. Taking longer to kill someone gives more time for their friends to warp in and gank you. The difference between dying in 15 seconds and dying in 10 seconds in a fleet fight (which you don't even see because you get a new frame every 30 seconds) is not worth making it impossible for smaller/fewer ships to kill stuff in a reasonable time frame. So yeah, increased damage/less hp all the way.

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Originally by: fire 59

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It's fine as it is tbh. me and 2 inties took down a t2 torp raven in the middle of nowhere, was a fun and tactical fight, don't want to go back to instapop gankage thanx very much. Now you have to use tactics and your brain which is good imo

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Originally by: Neener

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Problem with straight HP boost is that it benefits short range (high dps) setups way more than long range ones.

Lets take 2 ships for example.
Standrad torpedo raven against blaster megathron.

When everyone is given straight 50% hp boost, it becomes way more difficult to kill that blaster mega with your trusty raven.

Reasoning behind it is pretty simple: If mega gets in blaster range, you can kiss your ass goodbye in that raven. And when mega has 50% more HP than before, it has lot more time to get in range (ie: less fear that it gets popped before it gets in blaster range). And when in range, doesnt matter if raven has 50% or 200% more hp, its going down and fast.

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Originally by: Korizan

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Edited by: Korizan on 23/05/2007 14:46:24
Edited by: Korizan on 23/05/2007 14:45:14

Sorry but battles are supposed to take time not insta pop.

CCP is taking a serious look a focused fire which should help with the blob tactics.

Decreasing the hit points will not really help.
It will not decrease blobs cause people will not need as many ships BUT they will still use as many as they can get there hands on.

Now if focused fire comes into effect then blobbing someone will be useless.

Here is an example on how focus fire could work.
Modifier is based on target ship size.
Shuttle say is modifer = 2/x
Where x is a number that is assigned as each person targets a ship.
So first person gets a 1 the second person to target gets a 2 the third 3 on and on.

So ship 1 mod. = 2/1 or 100 % no modifer on weapons
Ship 2 mod. = 2/2 or 100 %
ship 3 mod. = 2/3 or 66 % or it max damage will be only 66 % of normal
ship 4 mod = 2/4 or 50 %
And on and on it goes.

As you can see it goes down hill rapidly the more ships you use.
And as stated above you use a different formula for each ship class depending on how you want to limit the blob.

Now depending on the modifer in some cases calling for 20 friends is useless.

AND that means it will not be as simple as calling primary for your blob but better to break it up and handle more targets at once ... STRATEGY

So NO to decrease in armor / shields and YES to FOCUS FIRE

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Originally by: Deep Throat

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the op has a point

perhaps his solution isnt right, but ccps methood of prolonging combat has backfired with a capital B.

once they removed the damage, ppl just blobbed.
ganksquads are now 25-30 ppl
fights dont happen unless the gangs are in the 100s
this on top of the titan doomsday combat-freezer.

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Originally by: Removal Tool

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My point was about the lack of options that the HP doubling buff left small gangs or solo pilots.

So a 25% damage increase would not bring us back to the pre-buff status quo, (a doubling of shield, armor, and hull keep in mind). Instead it would give back something like 15-20% faster kills, but not the insta-pop of before. I wouldn't have suggested that we completely roll back the HP buff. But I am baffled by anyone wanting MORE HPs than we have now.

I am not even against fleet combat, but wish it wasn't almost the only choice.

Maybe "Heat" will bring about a similar result to what I propose, but then my proposal would be so much simpler.

And to Earthan: Why would you want even more HP? I'm at work atm so I cannot check the age of your character. Were you around before the MAJOR HP buff?

I ask that since more HP would mean that in combat, there would be more time for buddies to arrive, which would lead to more lag, and more badly broken PVP. This is essentially what we have to some degree now.

Again, I am NOT suggesting that we go back to insta-pop PvP, but a happy medium between the two extremes. Personally I enjoy EVE much less with the current "more time organizing / less PvPing" status quo that I feel we have atm.

And almost every player that I know (yes these are veteran players) enjoys EVE much less than they used to. I feel that way too. What changed? The HP buff. And that is
even when we have more SP than we did before the HP buff.

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