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Aramendel
Amarr
Queens of the Stone Age
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.05.24 20:49:00 -
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Edited by: Aramendel on 24/05/2007 20:51:44
The reason for the weaker EW boni of the falcon is due to its high specialisation. It's total focus on ECM allows for interesting tactics. It can decloak, lock, activate jammers and recloak right afterwards. It will basically with the decloak lag blink in for 5 secs and then blink out for 15 secs and repeat. This makes it rather difficult to call primary.
If it had the same EW strength as the Rook there would be no point at all to fly the rook anymore. The dps bonus is a very VERY poor trade for the survival bonus of a cloak, especially for a ship which gets primaried regulary.
The other force recons cannot pull off this "blinking" because they have a cycle time of only 5-10 secs with their EW modules.
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Aramendel
Amarr
Queens of the Stone Age
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.05.25 09:25:00 -
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 Originally by: Rylet VanDorn
The ability to blink in/out is reliant on the DURATION of ECM. Not the strength (ie, chance to be effective). This doesn't explain why the Falcon should have have a recon ship bonus that's half as strong as the Rook, when NO OTHER FORCE RECON is like this.
Of cource it is dependant on the duration of the ECM modules. The point is if it has equal strength there would be no real point to fly a rook.
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The difference between the Falcon and Rook are MUCH more significant than just the bonuses. Aside from that, the rook has:..
100% of of what you are listing is the same for all force vs combat recons. It's already part of the tradeoff for a cloak.
But in addition to the other force recons the falcon can use the cloak to "blink" on the battlefield which the other force recons cannot do efficiently due to their lower ycle time of their modules.
The dps of the rook is while nice, rather meaningless compared to it's ECM strength. It's higher resistances are worth nothing if you get primaried.
Again, if the falcon had the rooks strength only morons would fly the rook. The falcon is leaps and bounds more survivable and would have with the same bonus actually 11-17% MORE ECM strength due to it's additional low which allows to a 2nd-3rd SDA compared to the rook.
Originally by: Ryle
Unless I'm completely mistaken, can't you do this with an Arazu and Dampeners as well?
10 sec cycle time. Cannot be done efficiently. Nevermind the 5 sec cycle time of the warp disruptors where it gets is t2 bonus. Or it's hybrid dps bonus and it's drone bay. The falcon can use all it's ship boni while blinking and is only sacrificing rather irrelevant 50 dps from it's 2 missile launchers.
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Aramendel
Amarr
Queens of the Stone Age
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.05.29 10:08:00 -
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Edited by: Aramendel on 29/05/2007 10:09:05
Originally by: Rylet VanDorn
Demand has gone down, but so has supply. All the T2 cruiser manufacturers figure it's not worth building falcons/rooks because they suck.
 
You *really* mean that? I mean really? If yes you need some serious reality check.
Hey, I can build a ship for 10 mil which sells for 70 mil with 10-20 of them bought daily in jita, but it sucks, so it's not worth to manufactor it.
Suuuuure. Sounds extremly reasonable. If you would actually bother to check the price history you would see that it iss actually the most bought force recon. Pilgrim, arazu and rapier have less sales/day than it.
Originally by: Rania Serlia
As a side note, a Falcon pilot with recon 4 will get better jam strength in a blackbird than an actual Falcon due to the strength bonus being a recon ships skill bonus.
Only if you ignore the 3rd low which allows it to fit an additional SDA compared to the BB.
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Aramendel
Amarr
Queens of the Stone Age
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.05.29 14:50:00 -
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All recons (the combat recons which usually do not fit a cloak included) and cov ops ships (SBs and cov ops frigs) have as "hidden" bonus only a 5 sec reactivation delay for cloaks
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