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Evanda Char
Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.05.24 18:59:00 -
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News has just come out regarding the bombing of the latest round of peace talks with the Mandate.
Once again, we see heavy civilian casualties in the wake of a Bloody Hands of Matar attack - our hearts go out to the families of the victims, and our thanks to the members of RSS on the scene, whose quick response saved untold lives.
And for what? The discussion of a possible route to peace. A discussion that could have seen numerous POWs returned to their homes and families.
A spokesman for the Bloody Hands had this to say: ôWe will not sit idly by while our Republic kowtows to these race traitors who sold us out to the Amarr and even now keep our people in bondage. How dare we seek terms with these scum? It is a grave dishonour to the sacrifice of the great rebellion. Have we learned nothing? What we do, we do for Matar. There will be no peace with the Nefantar traitors.ö
Have you learned nothing? The purpose of the Rebellion was to win our freedom, not propel the Matari into an endless war. Combat has its role to play, but there has to be room for peace talks or we will never get anywhere.
How exactly do you think are helping Matar by killing its people?
I can see how the Amarr benefit from this. I don't see how we do.
The purpose of peace talks is to find out whether acceptable terms can be reached for both parties. That includes us Matari. It's generally a good idea to let them finish, as otherwise you don't know what will come. Midular could have won something great from this, for our people.
But they have to get to the end for us to find that out!
-Eva-
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Evanda Char
Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.05.24 19:09:00 -
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In light of these attacks, EM would like to offer its services as escort to the Republican delegates for future rounds of the talks.
We should not let 2 angry men imperil the return home of thousands of Matari held in Ammatar POW camps.
-Eva-
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Micia
Minmatar Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.05.24 19:20:00 -
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Can't make an omelette with breakin' a few eggs... just sayin'.
Step down, Karin Midular... or be taken down.
The Republic needs new leadership. _______
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Falcione
Mortis Angelus
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Posted - 2007.05.24 19:38:00 -
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Originally by: Micia Can't make an omelette with breakin' a few eggs...
Explosives usually make scrambled eggs...
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Robert Kauliford
Delictum 23216
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Posted - 2007.05.24 19:44:00 -
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Evanda i know our two corporations have had our differences in the past but we dealt with them honorably. These terrorists who claim to act for the people acted in a despicably cowrdly way attacking a delegation of peace I did not think that they could sink so low. Know that we the pilots of Delictum 23216 will do everything we can to bring these butchers to justice.
To those who say this another reason for Midular to step down I say this she has acted with wisdom and vision in the best interests of all the tribes even if you are to blind to acknowledge it.
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Tahj
Minmatar Strix Armaments and Defence The Cyrene Initiative
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Posted - 2007.05.24 21:40:00 -
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Originally by: Evanda Char News has just come out regarding the http://myeve.eve-online.com/mb/news.asp?nid=1461 Have you learned nothing? The purpose of the Rebellion was to win our freedom, not propel the Matari into an endless war. Combat has its role to play, but there has to be room for peace talks or we will never get anywhere.
The purpose of peace talks is to find out whether acceptable terms can be reached for both parties. That includes us Matari. It's generally a good idea to let them finish, as otherwise you don't know what will come. Midular could have won something great from this, for our people.
But they have to get to the end for us to find that out!
There can not be peace while our people remain in bondage. You said yourself Evanda that the perpose of the rebellion was to win our freedom, since a large majority of our people still live as slaves has the rebellion ever ended?? There is no middle ground here the idea is very simple, Free our brothers and sisters. The terrorists in this situation are the ones who would allow these talks to go on knowing that it will not bring an end to slavery. The blind ones in this struggle are the ones who choose to turn the other cheek.
Midular did not do what is best for our people. These talks are simply a way to increase income and trade for both the republic and the Ammatar. Midular is selling the people for money placing us all back in the hands of bondage.
Keep fighting Bloody hands, know that not all pod pilots are as blind as the Electus Matari
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Gehenna's Voice
Minmatar Children of Gehenna
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Posted - 2007.05.24 21:42:00 -
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There can be no compromise with Amarr without victory over Amarr. Did you learn nothing from the Rebellion? The slavers will only compromise when defeated. If you are too weak to see this, you are useless to us.
This is only the latest hammer blow on the anvil that will shape the destiny of our people. Will you be the sword of our liberation or the dross that is cast aside?
The Children of Gehenna are with you, Marek Brandeira. Our people will be avenged! -
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Anariel Andurill
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2007.05.24 22:04:00 -
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I'm fairly new to all this but I was under the impression that EM were on the side of the Minmatar. At the very least i'd expect them to be understanding of such radical acts. You might disagree with them, as indeed you seem to be saying, but you must admit they're aiming for the same thing as you? The assumption i'm making is that both groups are fighting to free captured Minmatar people.
Disagree with their method but condemning them and offering to fight against your own? You dilute the efforts to free the Minmatar people EM by claiming your way is the only one forward.
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Theo Samaritan
Gallente UNSC Manufactoring Corp
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Posted - 2007.05.24 22:18:00 -
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There are many paths towards a goal, those who choose one may not be those who choose another.
The goal will be met no matter what path is taken.
That is all. ______________________________
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Revy Daidros
Gallente Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.05.24 22:18:00 -
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There was no offer to fight our own.
She said it plainly: we shall offer our services to escort the diplomats.
Innocents were killed in this dastard act, from my vantage, it appears the will of Electus Matari is to protect further innocents from dying. Something we have always- and will always, stand up for.
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GulletSplitter
Minmatar Colonial Fleet Services
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Posted - 2007.05.24 22:25:00 -
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There are many ways to freedom and not all of them have to come at the point of a gun. To assume that we have to blow up all our enemies to free our brethren is a bit small minded. While I know a good many Matari (including those of my corp) have and will continue to use violence to free our kin, others of us use different kinds of pressure. You can effect economic and societal change in many ways.
None of us know what Midular has in mind with these talks. None of us know if anything fruitful other then a POW exchange will ever come of them. Because we don't understand the context or timbre of the talks, the Bloody Hand may have attacked prematurely. For all we know our "wayward brothers" (to borrow their terminology) in Ammatar could have been asking Midular for help overthrowing their masters. They could have also been asking for a giant freighter full of Cheese Nips. We won't know by simply blowing people up. All this leads to is a hardening of hearts and minds to "different" ways.
Until we have a more firm understanding of what these talks entail, planned acts of violence (especially from followers of the Republic) will only lead to a hardening of Ammatar stances to our view points. After all they already think we are nothing but a bunch of barbaric terrorists. Why give them more ammo?
All this being said, I will continue to supply my Republican friends with the money, time, expertise and goods they need to do WHATEVER it takes to see our brethren freed. There is a time for talks....and there is a time for the less sanguine approach. I for one prefer that we at least make an attempt at talking before whipping out the bloody hand.
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Nachshon
Caldari Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.05.24 22:46:00 -
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I am stunned by these attacks. And after a bit of thought, I am making an announcement:
I am retracting my previous calls for Midular to resign. To do so would destroy any chance for peace. Right now, we must show that we will not kowtow to terrorists.
My lack of confidence in Midular was based on previous indecisiveness. If she can deal effectively with this crisis, my faith in her will be restored.
Karin Midular, we are counting on you.
Bloody Hands of Matar, what were you thinking? ____________________________________ Caldari by birth, Minmatar by citizenship.
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Evanda Char
Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.05.24 22:47:00 -
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Edited by: Evanda Char on 24/05/2007 22:48:39
Originally by: Anariel Andurill I'm fairly new to all this but I was under the impression that EM were on the side of the Minmatar. At the very least i'd expect them to be understanding of such radical acts. You might disagree with them, as indeed you seem to be saying, but you must admit they're aiming for the same thing as you? The assumption i'm making is that both groups are fighting to free captured Minmatar people.
Disagree with their method but condemning them and offering to fight against your own? You dilute the efforts to free the Minmatar people EM by claiming your way is the only one forward.
I'm not claiming our way is the only way forward. In fact, if you'd read this, rather the opposite. But the fact is that the Bloody Hands are not looking to achieve anything constructive here. They're not freeing people. They're not stopping further abductions. They're not even driving the enemy to seek a peaceful resolution through violent action.
That's the thing. They're not fighting to free captured Minmatar. They're bombing Minmatar. They threw firebombs in riots and killed dozens of Matari. They bombed these peace talks and did it again.
They're killing us. Our people. -Eva-
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Scagga Laebetrovo
Delictum 23216
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Posted - 2007.05.24 22:49:00 -
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The damage done still remains to be tallied. An official Delictum 23216 statement will be made soon.
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Kade Jeekin
Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.05.24 23:59:00 -
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Originally by: Evanda Char They threw firebombs in riots and killed dozens of Matari
With respect Evanda Char. The firebombs were thrown at the security forces in response to provocation. It was the security forces who subsequently killed more people with their own reaction. The way you worded it, it made it sound like BHoM had killed the rioters. --------------------------------------- Outface the depths of evil with clarity --------------------------------------- |

Archbishop
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.05.25 00:27:00 -
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Once again the primitive immoralistic Minmatar reach out not with a hand of friendship or peace but with a bloodied hand of violence. While the Electus Matari may claim disgust at this action I would ask them if they would turn over to Ammatar authorities any Bloody Hands of Matar terrorist they captured for trial and execution?
To respect the peace process and show respect for the Ammatar I would think a promise to do this would be at a minimum the least you could do.
Archbishop
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Evanda Char
Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.05.25 00:37:00 -
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The crime took place in a Republic Parliament station, Archbishop, in Republic space. The disposition of any Bloody Hands captured would be for the Republic to decide.
Given that their activities are mostly planetary and station-based, I doubt their apprehension or not would fall to my hands. -Eva-
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GulletSplitter
Minmatar Colonial Fleet Services
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Posted - 2007.05.25 01:19:00 -
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Very useful post Archie...you have a group of the Matari actually preaching "give discussions a chance" and you call the whole of us
Originally by: Archbishop
primitive immoralistic Minmatar
Really helps those of who are trying to be civil and resolve issues peacefully. Gosh I can't understand why UK and the others just flat out refuse to deal with any Amarr paramilitaries. I'm sure glad you are just a paramilitarist and not an actual member of the government.
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Agustus Caesar
Minmatar Rho Dynamics Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.05.25 02:35:00 -
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Originally by: GulletSplitter Very useful post Archie...you have a group of the Matari actually preaching "give discussions a chance" and you call the whole of us
Originally by: Archbishop
primitive immoralistic Minmatar
Really helps those of who are trying to be civil and resolve issues peacefully. Gosh I can't understand why UK and the others just flat out refuse to deal with any Amarr paramilitaries. I'm sure glad you are just a paramilitarist and not an actual member of the government.
Couldn't have said it better myself; lets hope the Ammatar diplomats aren't quite so feble-minded as Archie here, otherwise these talks will prove to be waste of time and lives. -----------------------------
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Mr Reeth
Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2007.05.25 03:59:00 -
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I am truly stunned that this comes as a surprise to anyone.
These freedom fighters are only following the example set by their star traveling brothers. Really, is there any difference?
Freedom Fighters do not just kill slavers. Freedom fighters also kill those that ally with the slavers. The first freedom fighters in the early days of the rebellion killed Minmatar who they saw as traitors. Most of these were of the Nefantar tribe. Freedom fighters today continue that tradition calling their brothers the Nefantar traitors and killing them whenever possible. And for what? They were trying and continue trying to make peace. They sought to trade the freedom of the Matari for peace. This is the same thing the current Republic administration is doing.
So is it any surprise? For more than 100 years you Matari have made Amarrians the villain. You frighten children by telling them the Amarrians are trying to enslave the whole universe. (Knowing full well that the Empire has not tried to expand in more than 100 years) Your grandfathers told you wild tales of how many Nefantar and Amarrians they killed with farm tools. YouÆve made murder a romantic ideal. And the young of the Republic have picked up the torch. ItÆs such a shock that the offspring of rebels are rebelling. I wonder how you will all fair on the other side of a rebellion.
So, before you condemn these brave and noble freedom fighters just look at your own words and actions. Have you ever talked with an Amarrian loyalist as if he were a human and not the devil in flesh? Have you ever tried to make peace with an Amarrian loyalist? No, you havenÆt. WeÆre just monstersà monsters to be killed. Then you return home and excite your children with the tale while the Amarrian child mourns his parents passing.
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Chishan
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.05.25 04:28:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Reeth I am truly stunned that this comes as a surprise to anyone.
These freedom fighters are only following the example set by their star traveling brothers. Really, is there any difference?
Freedom Fighters do not just kill slavers. Freedom fighters also kill those that ally with the slavers. The first freedom fighters in the early days of the rebellion killed Minmatar who they saw as traitors. Most of these were of the Nefantar tribe. Freedom fighters today continue that tradition calling their brothers the Nefantar traitors and killing them whenever possible. And for what? They were trying and continue trying to make peace. They sought to trade the freedom of the Matari for peace. This is the same thing the current Republic administration is doing.
My freedom is no ones to trade. Interfere with the liberty of my people, my comrades, my crew, my ships or my person and you will find yourself at the business end of my guns.
Originally by: Mr Reeth So is it any surprise? For more than 100 years you Matari have made Amarrians the villain. You frighten children by telling them the Amarrians are trying to enslave the whole universe. (Knowing full well that the Empire has not tried to expand in more than 100 years) Your grandfathers told you wild tales of how many Nefantar and Amarrians they killed with farm tools. YouÆve made murder a romantic ideal. And the young of the Republic have picked up the torch. ItÆs such a shock that the offspring of rebels are rebelling. I wonder how you will all fair on the other side of a rebellion.
So, before you condemn these brave and noble freedom fighters just look at your own words and actions. Have you ever talked with an Amarrian loyalist as if he were a human and not the devil in flesh? Have you ever tried to make peace with an Amarrian loyalist? No, you havenÆt. WeÆre just monstersà monsters to be killed. Then you return home and excite your children with the tale while the Amarrian child mourns his parents passing.
Forced Breeding Farms. Vitoc. Mind Control Implants. A doctrine of cultural genocide. Any Amarran that sees these things for the monstrosities they are, and forswears them, I am happy to call friend. In fact, I was following the orders of an Amarr on my last raid. They are quite enlightened when they have opened their eyes to the truth that darkness is the heart of the Amarr Empire.
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Mr Reeth
Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2007.05.25 05:17:00 -
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Originally by: Chishan My freedom is no ones to trade. Interfere with the liberty of my people, my comrades, my crew, my ships or my person and you will find yourself at the business end of my guns.
So will you attack or endorse attacks on the Republic? In entering any type of peace with an enslaving nation they are trading peace for the freedom of your people.
Originally by: Chishan Forced Breeding Farms. Vitoc. Mind Control Implants. A doctrine of cultural genocide. Any Amarran that sees these things for the monstrosities they are, and forswears them, I am happy to call friend. In fact, I was following the orders of an Amarr on my last raid. They are quite enlightened when they have opened their eyes to the truth that darkness is the heart of the Amarr Empire.
Forced Breeding farms are an abomination that only serve to strip people of humanity creating animals. The creation of a child should not be so cheapened.
Vitoc dulls the mind and soul. How can we save a soul that has no competence to accept or deny our teachings? Vitoc is the tool of those who do not care for their slaves but see them as a tool to earn money. Truly vile.
That goes double for brain implants. But those are not used in the Empire. You are mistaking the Empire for Sansha's Nation perhaps?
So, are we friends now?
I'm sorry you have such a mistakenly low opinion of the Empire. I understand that from where you sit the Empire must seem like a great loaded gun pointed at you. I wish it were possible for you to spend some time planet side to see what the real heart is like.
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Agustus Caesar
Minmatar Rho Dynamics Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.05.25 05:46:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Reeth
Originally by: Chishan My freedom is no ones to trade. Interfere with the liberty of my people, my comrades, my crew, my ships or my person and you will find yourself at the business end of my guns.
So will you attack or endorse attacks on the Republic? In entering any type of peace with an enslaving nation they are trading peace for the freedom of your people.
Originally by: Chishan Forced Breeding Farms. Vitoc. Mind Control Implants. A doctrine of cultural genocide. Any Amarran that sees these things for the monstrosities they are, and forswears them, I am happy to call friend. In fact, I was following the orders of an Amarr on my last raid. They are quite enlightened when they have opened their eyes to the truth that darkness is the heart of the Amarr Empire.
Forced Breeding farms are an abomination that only serve to strip people of humanity creating animals. The creation of a child should not be so cheapened.
Vitoc dulls the mind and soul. How can we save a soul that has no competence to accept or deny our teachings? Vitoc is the tool of those who do not care for their slaves but see them as a tool to earn money. Truly vile.
That goes double for brain implants. But those are not used in the Empire. You are mistaking the Empire for Sansha's Nation perhaps?
So, are we friends now?
I'm sorry you have such a mistakenly low opinion of the Empire. I understand that from where you sit the Empire must seem like a great loaded gun pointed at you. I wish it were possible for you to spend some time planet side to see what the real heart is like.
Incase you haven't noticed, Mr. Reeth, you're sadly in the minority in almost...all of the views you've just stated here. One doesn't have to look very far (infact Archbishop povides a fine example in this very thread) to see why most Minmatar aren't eager at best to deal with Amarr loyalists, what with the constant degrading and insults, why the hell would we be? Even what you lot call diplomatic ovetures are often laden with thinly vieled insults and threats. So even if we ignore the history between our two cultures, the complete lack of common courtesy that is all to common from your side of the fence often kills most chances at negotiation in the conceptual stage. That said, while you seem to be one of the more reasonable loyalists on this summit; you are sadly in the minorty: hence why your entire bloc gets the bad rap.
Back on topic, the Bloody Hands of Matar slowly seem to be turning into what they claim to hate so passionately: that is a small group attempting to impose their will on the masses. While I may be pessimistic about what these talks will yield; murder of dozens of civilians just to get at a handfull of foreign delegates is completely unacceptable. If you truely want to help the cause of abolition, I strongly advise you stop murdering your own damn people and start shooting at some slave raiders; lest you make enemies of the very people you claim to act for.
-Caesar -----------------------------
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Gaius Kador
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.05.25 07:57:00 -
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Barbaric. ----------------------------------------------
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Mr Reeth
Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2007.05.25 08:38:00 -
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Edited by: Mr Reeth on 25/05/2007 08:38:12 Edited by: Mr Reeth on 25/05/2007 08:37:57
Originally by: Agustus Caesar Incase you haven't noticed, Mr. Reeth, you're sadly in the minority in almost...all of the views you've just stated here. One doesn't have to look very far (infact Archbishop povides a fine example in this very thread) to see why most Minmatar aren't eager at best to deal with Amarr loyalists, what with the constant degrading and insults, why the hell would we be? Even what you lot call diplomatic ovetures are often laden with thinly vieled insults and threats. So even if we ignore the history between our two cultures, the complete lack of common courtesy that is all to common from your side of the fence often kills most chances at negotiation in the conceptual stage. That said, while you seem to be one of the more reasonable loyalists on this summit; you are sadly in the minorty: hence why your entire bloc gets the bad rap.
Ahhh... It's enough to make a mule laugh. You are accusing us of vicious verbal attacks as if your side is always civil. Look, I think we can all agree that both sides talk to each other in ways that fan the flames of hatred. It's understandable and even expected that one would not speak kindly to someone trying kill them. This forum for the free exchange of ideas often degenerates into something far less noble. But the point is well taken. We Amarrians hold our culture as the peak of civilization. I think perhaps the onus is on us to take the first steps in civil talks. However the Matari could disprove the accusations of barbarism by being the first to show civility.
Originally by: Agustus Caesar If you truly want to help the cause of abolition, I strongly advise you stop murdering your own damn people and start shooting at some slave raiders; lest you make enemies of the very people you claim to act for.
By ôslave raidersö I assume you mean the pirates, blood raiders and criminals who violate EMPIRE LAW by entering foreign space and taking slaves against their will. But do you think these freedom fighters are really any different from the rest? In their eyes they killed the enemy and traitors. For them it was a great day. If you want these attacks to stop it is the Matari pod-pilot communitiesÆ job to set a better example. These freedom fighters have modeled themselves on UK and EM. Do you really not see that they are doing what you do? And where do you think they get their weapons? I bet they called in some criminal friends. Sound familiar?
And I still want to know if Chishan will be my firend.
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Hiro Yuki
Minmatar Republic University
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Posted - 2007.05.25 09:59:00 -
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The Bloody Hand wish for the liberation of the Matari people. They sought to gain this by removing Midular. That is a very political move, which is good. Politics are a good thing. However, when their constant babble, not yet matured enough to cause any ripples, did not gain them anything, they turned to terrorism. Killing those they sought to liberate. They are like children who, when ignored by adults, throw their toys away and break them to gain attention. However, those toys have become dangerous enough for them to be close to being seen as an enemy to our people.
If you stop your actions now and return to truly seeking the liberation of the Matari people, without killing those you seek to liberate, you may yet have a chance.
Hiro Yuki
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Chishan
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.05.25 10:22:00 -
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Edited by: Chishan on 25/05/2007 10:24:34
Originally by: Mr Reeth And I still want to know if Chishan will be my firend.
Renounce slavery and free your slaves, if you own any. We should be off to a good start after that.
edit: Originally by: Hiro Yuki
The Bloody Hand wish for the liberation of the Matari people. They sought to gain this by removing Midular. That is a very political move, which is good. Politics are a good thing. However, when their constant babble, not yet matured enough to cause any ripples, did not gain them anything, they turned to terrorism. Killing those they sought to liberate. They are like children who, when ignored by adults, throw their toys away and break them to gain attention. However, those toys have become dangerous enough for them to be close to being seen as an enemy to our people.
If you stop your actions now and return to truly seeking the liberation of the Matari people, without killing those you seek to liberate, you may yet have a chance.
Hiro Yuki
Don't confuse the Bloody Hands with the Voices of Matar. These are two different groups, with similar goals but different means.
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Rakiro
Gallente Two Brothers Mining Corp. The Sundering
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Posted - 2007.05.25 11:02:00 -
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Clearly the Bloody Hands of Matar care nothing for the freedom of their people. The Ammatar have chosen their way of life on their own, and it seems the Bloody Hands are keen to deny them this right.
Murdering civillians, especially duing peace talks, is not the way to free your people.
Causing bloody-minded riots against your own government is not the way to free your own people.
Denying people of the same blood as yourself their right to choose their own lifestyle is not the way to free your own people.
In that respect they are no better than the Amarr they claim to hate so much as they are doing the exact same thing. I almost get the feeling they where just looking for an excuse to blow something up.
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Anariel Andurill
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2007.05.25 11:13:00 -
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Originally by: Rakiro Clearly the Bloody Hands of Matar care nothing for the freedom of their people. The Ammatar have chosen their way of life on their own, and it seems the Bloody Hands are keen to deny them this right.
Using that logic you could defend slavery as being 'their choice in life to enslave others'. It simply doesn't hold up. There are moral imperatives in play and there is a lot morally wrong with the way the Ammatar destroyed much of the minmatar heritage for their own gain.
Originally by: Rakiro Murdering civillians, especially duing peace talks, is not the way to free your people.
Refusing to listen to your people when the protest peacefully isn't the way to govern but midular is getting away with it just fine by the looks of the news articles. Even ignoring the actions of the more extreme freedom fighters such as the Ushra'Khan. Which leads me into...
Originally by: Rakiro Causing bloody-minded riots against your own government is not the way to free your own people.
If they'd done this you'd be right but the report rather clearly shows that the riot police, the governments people, were the ones that started it and caused the casualties as a result of their actions.
Originally by: Rakiro Denying people of the same blood as yourself their right to choose their own lifestyle is not the way to free your own people.
The government didn't seem to see that distinction when they killed Karishal Muritor...
Originally by: Rakiro In that respect they are no better than the Amarr they claim to hate so much as they are doing the exact same thing. I almost get the feeling they where just looking for an excuse to blow something up.
No, I get the impression they want the same thing that the minmatar government is meant to be fighting for (and still does to some extent). They are fighting to liberate ALL Minmatar people and they don't believe that political back handed deals and shenanigans are the way to go. I base that assumption on their ongoing actions that show their distinct displeasure with the current government.
(ooc: i *may* have spent a lot of the last day reading the back history! - how much do you guys write on here?!)
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Alywn
Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.05.25 12:11:00 -
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Originally by: Micia Edited by: Micia on 24/05/2007 19:38:50 Can't make an omelette without breakin' a few eggs... just sayin'.
Step down, Karin Midular... or be taken down.
The Republic needs new leadership.
Edit: Corrected quote
Didn't Ushra'Khan turn thier back on the republic?
If so then your views on who should lead it are as valid as those of CVA or PIE
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