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pooti
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Posted - 2004.01.08 19:18:00 -
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yeah, how could you forget gwp and cc, they're the real holders of curse and great wildlands.
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Jacob Molari
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Posted - 2004.01.08 19:43:00 -
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Crice,
We've spent too much time fighting NVA, and not gettin' in on the other action...
Maybe it's about to change?
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crice
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Posted - 2004.01.08 20:03:00 -
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Should we just draw names out of a hat?
Crice
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Saladin
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Posted - 2004.01.08 21:32:00 -
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Edited by: Saladin on 08/01/2004 22:00:39
Edited by: Saladin on 08/01/2004 21:59:18
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CC
GWP
Everyone else
They pwn'd us so bad. I still remember that numpty muppet borg720 precdicting doom and gloom for the CA on December 4th, 2003 right after the great battle in HLW. Looks like he was dead wrong.
I'll never forget that night. That was the best battle I had been in, hands down. I've been wanting to quit for a long time now, but just when I'm about to do it there is a magnificent, heart pounding battle of epic proportions that makes me think twice about cancelling my suscription. I still wish that the threat window/auto scanner would work properly in big fights. Thats probably my biggest beef with the EvE at the moment.
With regards to the strongest alliance. I really can't say. Though many have pointed out that this is on the topic of strength and not resources, resources play a big part. I have to say I am very surprised at the number of battleships some people lose in one week and still get them replaced and come back for more.
Now this may seem to be a biased opinion but I think the strongest alliance is CA. I doubt any other alliance could have sustained such a war against so many enemies for so long (going on 5 months now?)
As for SA claiming that all the ore has been removed from their space. Well guess what I dare anyone to find anyone who can find anything above hedgerbite in a system with a station in Curse. We at CA have always made several jumps to obtain the rare ores. This is still true after Castor. As for SA, they had bistot roids that existed in the same system as a station. This undoubtedly led to a state of gluttony most people can only dream of. I recall on a few occasions where people from SA created threads saying they were quitting because they were bored of mining bistot in their battleship with 8 miner II's. What happened post-castor was merely a return to the norm from what was clearly an exceptional situation. The current problem is that you need to go to the other regions to get the rarer ores, and Stain does not connect to as many different regions as Curse does. So the people in Curse have somewhat easier access to rarer ores (you still have to go several jumps from a station). However, Stain still reaps the rewards of being relatively isolated region with only one access point. It is much easier to close the region down to the undesirables.
Then there is the issue of npc's. I fought them alot on Chaos and it was apparent to me that the Sansha's and Blood raiders were significantly more easy than the Angels and the Guristas. Maybe its different on Castor I don't know. If not, then they have an easier time mining. I never did try playing with the Serpentis on Chaos...but given that they were the easiest npc's pre-castor I wouldn't be surprised if they were the easiest now.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.01.08 21:46:00 -
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Stain still has very very good ore. It's just not as good as it used to be
Although, that depends on morphite prices - if morphite is the new megacyte, Stain will be very well-off inded as mercoxite is there in abundance.
Curse doesn't seem to have much, if any, but do get some from refining ark.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Hanns
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Posted - 2004.01.08 22:46:00 -
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I belive the strongest alliance ATM is the Guristas Pirates, they will pawn any Regional alliance battle fleet in a matter of minutes 
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Ezra
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Posted - 2004.01.08 22:59:00 -
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Quote:
SA was the most powerfull alliance in eve. When i first joined SA we were going all over eve killing pirates and anyone in our way, but now due to lack of content alot of good SA pvp pilots have left the game 
That and your ore distribution got hit hard with the nerfbat. :(
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Ezra Cornell
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Ezra
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Posted - 2004.01.08 23:02:00 -
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Strnge how so many point to the ability to replace ships as a number one criteria, yet discredit the NVA to the bottom of the list.
One thing not mentioned: I think that tech 2 prospects will be THE major factor in coming weeks. Imagine the first alliance that has re-equiped its fleets with Scorpion IIs.
Weeks?
No Tech 2 battleships are even in EVE-DB. The skills needed to produce/fly tech 2 *frigates* aren't even available on Chaos yet.
BTW, there will not be any such thing as Shipname II - All of the tech 2 ships will be very different from their tech 1 counterparts, not just "improved" versions, and all have new names. Example: The Gallente Thorax-hull cruisers are called the Phobos and Ishtar. Stats are unknown - every Tech2 cruiser in the DB seems to have the same stats, which screams "placeholder" to me.
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Ezra Cornell
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dalman
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Posted - 2004.01.08 23:03:00 -
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I belive the strongest alliance ATM is the Guristas Pirates, they will pawn any Regional alliance battle fleet in a matter of minutes
Ever heard of equipping 4 medium smartbombs on autorepeat and filling all your lowslots with racp relays?
M.I.A. since 2004-07-30 |
Luc Boye
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Posted - 2004.01.08 23:38:00 -
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Edited by: Luc Boye on 08/01/2004 23:39:18
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Jade:
In terms of sexy owner-captains and premium-rate hookers than its got to be NVA
Hmm, you don't look much like a Captain to me  j/k
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dalman
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Posted - 2004.01.08 23:51:00 -
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Ok, I know very little about NVA and FE, but here is a little rundown:
FA: Many members, very rich since they have been left alone. But many of their corps are not battlehardened and may face a hard time if they don't adept fast if they are hit with a long war. Also, that rare ore has been removed from "pirate NPC territory" should have seriously lowered their access to rare ore, though I'm not sure about that. Good relations with Evolution and SA is also a great asset. I don't know, but I suspect that they also have friendly ties to many other corps outside FA.
CA: Very many members (though scattered into many small corps). Like FA now, many of them were not used to war, but they have certainly learned that now. That they are so many corps forced them to cooperate very much with the other corps for military ops (and now also for mining with the harder NPCs?), which must have been very hard in the beginning, but is now a great asset. Without doubt the one gaining on the new ore distribution. Their friendship with m0o is also a great asset, since m0o is very used to operate in hostile territory. Which has already been used against stain, and is used against FA as we speak. Feels like their best PvP pilots has joined m0o. Dunno about their relations to other corps.
SA: Few members, dunno how many FE has, but less than CA/FA/NVA, due to that many members has quit EVE. But the members are all in rather big corps, which makes ops easier. As the first alliance to form, SA from the start of the game proved we adopt fast. Probably the most battlehardened since we've been constantly in war since the start of the RUS war, so SA are very good at keeping up war efforts and take losses, and at the same time keep a steady income. Holds some of the best PvP players in the game, but has also seen many good PvPers leave the game, so there is now a mix of extremely good PvPers and less experienced ones. Good relations to Evolution and FA is useful. Also many other friendly corps, and it feels like if all corps that had an old grunge with us joined CA.
I know far too little about NVA and FE. It seems to me it's mostly RONA-KIA (with help from Celestial and a few more) against BIOMASS/EPA/HUFF etc while the other corps in NVA are more industrial corps. But those industrial corps seems to keep up the pace to overcome their losses. Been at constant war for a long time, though it seems they've always had to defend their own territory, not operate in others. FE... well, I don't know how they operate at all. Maybe they suck roids in empire with alts to keep an income Also, with the news about talks between NVA and FE it seems kinda...
Might also be intersting when/if they fight others since those players seems to use very many scorpions while the other alliances has a much bigger share of heavy hitters in their fleets.
Don't know enough about Xetic, but they seem to lack in PvP skills, but certainly have some corps that know how to make isk.
Know far too little about Empyrean too. Don't even know their members. Genko... And I guess this is where Bladerunners/Cult of Cthulu are (which are good PvPers(specially those in the Cult))?
Arcadia... I don't know a **** about them
CFS... I think last week has kinda given Skillz right when he said "CFS is not an alliance, it's a chat channel"
M.I.A. since 2004-07-30 |
Reverend Necrona
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Posted - 2004.01.08 23:59:00 -
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I'd probably say the CA or FA. I'd give it too the FA if Evolution were still apart of them.
Stain were the largest, and have a fantastic history that one must respect. However their days are numbered i fear and the toll of constant war is probably about to finish them. I'm sure JC will correct me however.
Reverend Necrona |
Halseth
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Posted - 2004.01.09 00:31:00 -
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Quote:
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I belive the strongest alliance ATM is the Guristas Pirates, they will pawn any Regional alliance battle fleet in a matter of minutes
Ever heard of equipping 4 medium smartbombs on autorepeat and filling all your lowslots with racp relays?
6 MOAS, 6 tech 2 MOAS, 6 tech 2 Caracals, and a Raven cuts through that like butter.
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Psy Corp
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Posted - 2004.01.09 00:32:00 -
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Know far too little about Empyrean too. Don't even know their members. Genko... And I guess this is where Bladerunners/Cult of Cthulu are (which are good PvPers(specially those in the Cult))?
okey to clarify something.. blades and cult are nva
not empyrean
I Have The Power Of The Mighty Lo.0lipop..
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Reverend Necrona
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Posted - 2004.01.09 00:35:00 -
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Is Cult still active these days? They were always good PvP'ers, at one point probably the best in the game. I woulda thought they, aligned to a large alliance would be extremley effective.
Reverend Necrona |
dalman
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Posted - 2004.01.09 00:54:00 -
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Know far too little about Empyrean too. Don't even know their members. Genko... And I guess this is where Bladerunners/Cult of Cthulu are (which are good PvPers(specially those in the Cult))?
okey to clarify something.. blades and cult are nva
not empyrean
That's why I said I knew very little and put a "?" there.
But you were in EF, right? With Cornexant and Absolut Profit a long time ago?
Seen you listed as "military partners" to both NVA and CFS, and I think I remember you fighting in fountain too a long way back...
So, well, thanks for telling me.
Well, add another good PvP corp to NVA in my above post then
M.I.A. since 2004-07-30 |
Psy Corp
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Posted - 2004.01.09 07:33:00 -
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Know far too little about Empyrean too. Don't even know their members. Genko... And I guess this is where Bladerunners/Cult of Cthulu are (which are good PvPers(specially those in the Cult))?
okey to clarify something.. blades and cult are nva
not empyrean
That's why I said I knew very little and put a "?" there.
But you were in EF, right? With Cornexant and Absolut Profit a long time ago?
Seen you listed as "military partners" to both NVA and CFS, and I think I remember you fighting in fountain too a long way back...
So, well, thanks for telling me.
Well, add another good PvP corp to NVA in my above post then
yeah we where in EF.. and as you said its a long time ago
yeah we where in FA befor and cfs mili partners.. but where only NVA
I Have The Power Of The Mighty Lo.0lipop..
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Blueblooded
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Posted - 2004.01.09 08:40:00 -
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I would rank first by how rich the alliance is/could be, since replacement and supply are the most important factor for any war.
My guess is
1. SA
2. FA
3. CA/NVA
4. CFS
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"The royal blood is blue, hence my name"
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jjjgg
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Posted - 2004.01.09 10:34:00 -
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CA
FE
FA
Xetic
NVA
SA
CFS
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Rolfiboy
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Posted - 2004.01.09 10:48:00 -
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FA are the strongest
just FIV have over 140 members and much over the half have level 3 BS, and are recruiting new members every day!!! If you have been in FIV in a little over af month, you vil have a BS. |
Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2004.01.09 11:10:00 -
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I'd say the CA 'cause we all know they'd let all the pirate corporations stay in their territory should there be a need for it, pirates dictating the circumstances of said need of c(o)urse.
Convert Stations
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JaiMaster
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Posted - 2004.01.09 11:13:00 -
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FE
FA
CA
SA
NVA
CFS
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Skill points. ISK. Ships, rare equipment. Its all just a means to an end...
Your end.
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Dracule
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Posted - 2004.01.09 14:05:00 -
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FA are the strongest
just FIV have over 140 members and much over the half have level 3 BS, and are recruiting new members every day!!! If you have been in FIV in a little over af month, you vil have a BS.
LVL 3 BS
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dalman
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Posted - 2004.01.09 14:17:00 -
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Quote:
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FA are the strongest
just FIV have over 140 members and much over the half have level 3 BS, and are recruiting new members every day!!! If you have been in FIV in a little over af month, you vil have a BS.
LVL 3 BS
Lol, I read it as that they had 3 battleships each first.
Guess he meant that half their members have a lvl 2 battleship.
And that isn't much to brag about, certainly since FA hasn't been in war for a long time.
If your members don't have experience of PvP and you don't know how to keep a war going AND maintain an income, those battleships actually means jack ****.
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StoreSlem
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Posted - 2004.01.09 15:51:00 -
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True enough, inexperienced pvp pilots might be a weakness. The good thing is that they will learn quickly, and every loss will be repaid for with experience.
My list is biased heavily on military power.
FE
CA
FA
SA
NVA
those are the 5 that I can edge out.
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Sqalevon
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Posted - 2004.01.09 16:12:00 -
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FA are the strongest
just FIV have over 140 members and much over the half have level 3 BS, and are recruiting new members every day!!! If you have been in FIV in a little over af month, you vil have a BS.
LVL 3 BS
Lol, I read it as that they had 3 battleships each first.
Guess he meant that half their members have a lvl 2 battleship.
And that isn't much to brag about, certainly since FA hasn't been in war for a long time.
If your members don't have experience of PvP and you don't know how to keep a war going AND maintain an income, those battleships actually means jack ****.
I think he means that half of his members has a BS skill at LVL3 or higher :)
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Lianhaun
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Posted - 2004.01.09 16:15:00 -
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FA
They have the resources, they have had the time to build stuff up and well they know a few corporations who might help them out when the need arises.
Stain
one for all, all for one seems to be their slogan
FE&NVA
seem equal to me, both have internal struggles, or trust another corporation as far as they can throw them.
This is not a hijack
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Lallante
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Posted - 2004.01.09 19:16:00 -
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Well lets see. Strength is military ability:
CA vs Evol + FA + SA
over the last 3 days, fleet sizes have been
around 20 CA (not the weekend, no Rus, no m0o, no c0w etc)
around 40 FA, 20 SA and 15 evol
and the score?
24 ish BS kills : 4 ish BS kills
Speaks for itself. CA owns FA in combat.
As for resources, atm CA have the arkanor, ok that may change but Stain are definatly poorer than CA. FA are probably richer.
As for numbers, CA at best on a Saturday afternoon can field 60-70 BS. I imagine Fountain can beat this on home terriatory.
So: CA wins on military strength (I personally commanded the forces vs Fountain and we never fought a battle where they had less BSs than us, and we never fought a battle where we have lost 1/2 what they did, and most it was 1/4 or less, 1 battle 7:1)
FA wins on resources and manpower probably.
But as CA showed vs CFS, manpower isnt ALL that important. YES FA can field a huge fleet on one night, but it wont kill anything and the next day it will lose 8 - 10 BS in smaller fights till eventually (as CA have showed over the last 3 days) what little is left is forced to limp home.
Any FA feel free to answer this, but make sure you know your facts: You came to Curse to hurt us and ended up getting severe burns and killing virtually nothing, deny?
Lall - THE Vocal Minority -
ShinRa
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2004.01.09 20:27:00 -
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Edited by: Rod Blaine on 09/01/2004 20:41:46
Edited by: Rod Blaine on 09/01/2004 20:40:13
Ok, after two pages i got mad enough to skip the rest
We may have been quiet, and have kept ourselves in the background since we started out about 3 months ago, but we sure deserve a mention.
So all in all, giving resources, military power and production strength a slightly higher importance then member and ship count i get the following:
1/2:FA
2/1:CA
2:SA (i see these guys coming back once they
get evol to join)
4:M0o (these guys kick ass, no-one beats these
guys afaik, they get here on military
strength alone, even when they are no
alliance actually)
5:NVA (True strength unknown to me as i never
meet 'em)
6:XIF (we have good numbers and can
build like mad if we need to. We could
prolly field +-50 BS's if we ever
decide to again, tho we indeed lack some
experience)
7:CFS Sadly enough these guys seem to have
more ideals then strength)
8:CC Nice enough guys, but lack numbers as
far as i know
9:GWP Quite inknown to me
Now really, only the top 4, 5 or 6 will probably last once we get POS in game.
I think we'll see some alliances breaking up and merging before that. Not that there is any sign of it now, but just my guess.
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Khar'du
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Posted - 2004.01.09 20:30:00 -
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FA are the strongest
just FIV have over 140 members and much over the half have level 3 BS, and are recruiting new members every day!!! If you have been in FIV in a little over af month, you vil have a BS.
You joking ? There's corps out there with 400+ members of whom 300 have a BS !
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