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Drusilla
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Posted - 2004.01.08 23:11:00 -
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Is it just me, or has the market become a worse grief fest than it ever was before since Castor?
I used to like buying a load of some commodity in one station and selling it someplace else. It just seems impossible to do that these days.
Nothing sells in quantities high enough to fill my indy ship, and it appears that every commodity has been 100% bought out and the buy/sell orders are griefed.
Example: In Heimatar region, you can only buy most trade goods at several hundred, or even serveral thousand, percent markup over the normal, expected price - and you can only sell them for 2-10 ISK each even if they're being sold to you for 10,000 ISK each.
What the heck happened?
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Foomanshoe
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Posted - 2004.01.08 23:39:00 -
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how is this griefing?
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Admiral IceBlock
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Posted - 2004.01.08 23:42:00 -
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Edited by: Admiral IceBlock on 08/01/2004 23:43:18
when ppl set buy orders for tobacco for 1 isk and sell orders for 10k isk, thats griefing and very ghey!!!
"We brake for nobody"
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Tesol Xarto
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Posted - 2004.01.09 00:05:00 -
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Edited by: Tesol Xarto on 09/01/2004 00:06:08
market griefing? so what? its bad, thats right, but look at the world its common so just don't let them get you :)
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Darwpromtheus
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Posted - 2004.01.09 00:15:00 -
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Is EVE russia`? .. 3036 manufactured/spawned products cycle. What¦s is the rationale for this synthetic market?
And no it aint griefing it¦s more like CCCP maybe we are the subjects of yet another state driven market experiment in the domain of plan economy ? It sure causes GRIEF .. but that¦s another story. NpC market is now officially borked.
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MiloMorai
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Posted - 2004.01.09 04:00:00 -
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It would be nice if CCP hired a marketing specialist of some kind to help out. Wouldn't cost that much and would improve game immensely.
Just an idea, still lovin' the game.
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Enraku Reynolt
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Posted - 2004.01.09 05:04:00 -
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griefing is the guy that set buy orders for every thing i sale as each day I was adding items
and who ever you are, you havent gotting anything yet, and you never will get anything of Mine
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Siddy
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Posted - 2004.01.09 09:12:00 -
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Is EVE russia
/emote Drops of the chair... laph my @$$ SO hard off that almost choke
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CHUMSICLE
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Posted - 2004.01.09 11:12:00 -
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Market GRIEFING?
...and thus, you do not need to finish the post because its obvious Drusilla is a carebear.
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Von Schnopp
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Posted - 2004.01.09 12:55:00 -
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In my (not so humble) opinion, the worst sort of griefing is that of those creeps of manufaturers selling their goods at prices marginally above production costs, all in the name of becoming the foremost supplier, very much to the discontent of serious manufacturers who actually try to profit from their manufacturing so they can cover for the BP cost and then make a living of it.
It's a no-win scenario, the griefers sell enormous amounts of whatsnot and makes a less than marginal profit, without and thought to the cost of the original BP, and at the same time they saturate the market. Still, the real problem is not the pricing and competition, the real problem is that demand is governed by the amount of ppl wanting this specific item, and how often they want it.
Customers in EVE do not pour out of some Horn of Plenty, they rather pour out of a pool with a very narrow feed. And it's not bottomless.
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Nemesis I
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Posted - 2004.01.09 13:55:00 -
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Von Schnopp - well put and agreed!
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2004.01.09 15:07:00 -
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"I used to like buying a load of some commodity in one station and selling it someplace else. It just seems impossible to do that these days.
Nothing sells in quantities high enough to fill my indy ship, and it appears that every commodity has been 100% bought out and the buy/sell orders are griefed."
The decreased supply is a result of Castor patch. As the supply is smaller, naturally people try to get their hands on it with buy orders, and cash on it by selling stuff at higher prices.
In short, the persons behind the current situations are the game developers. If you consider what they did to the market "griefing", i suppose you'll have to petition about getting them banned. :s
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Caleb Ayrania
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Posted - 2004.01.09 17:58:00 -
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There is nothing wrong with market atm.
Reason there seem to be is that it takes time getting used to the new, and actually imropoved system of the market.
Market is created to utilize player run biz. There are a different ways to use this, but once more people pick up on the genious of the CCP in this matter, it will be appearent that things are exactly as they should be.
If you would really want to grief about market, the problem is the missing features and focus on the details of the market. Reason this might be neglected from the CCP is that there is so little "planed" work being done from the players side.
Trade, and market is not for the people needing instant gratification financially. Its longer term, and trade to trade basis.
Regards Caleb Ayrania..
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Drusilla
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Posted - 2004.01.09 20:23:00 -
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I really hope you are joking. The way the market is set up at the moment it is IMPOSSIBLE for a normal trader to make a living.
When some small number of rich players can buy out an entire region's supply of every singel commodity, and a player can only buy that commodity (such as water) for 1,000 ISK but can only sell it for 2 ISK anywhere, that's ridiculous.
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Darkbit
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Posted - 2004.01.09 20:45:00 -
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In my (not so humble) opinion, the worst sort of griefing is that of those creeps of manufaturers selling their goods at prices marginally above production costs, all in the name of becoming the foremost supplier, very much to the discontent of serious manufacturers who actually try to profit from their manufacturing so they can cover for the BP cost and then make a living of it.
They will only be able to sustain this low sell cost if minerals maintain a level price. Larger corps can compete buy purchasing more ore in bulk that way they can reduce the cost to make it while increasing their own profit margins.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2004.01.09 22:57:00 -
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"When some small number of rich players can buy out an entire region's supply of every singel commodity, and a player can only buy that commodity (such as water) for 1,000 ISK but can only sell it for 2 ISK anywhere, that's ridiculous."
... I think you can still buy part or all of the supply, existing buy orders nonwithstanding, simply by placing buy order of your own with (slightly) higher price (check market history for prices paid before) At least that's how it's supposed to work, didn't have time nor real incentive to check it.
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Drusilla
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Posted - 2004.01.09 23:41:00 -
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That's the problem, it does not work that way. since orders are now FIFO, if you placed an order that was accepted, for say 10 million water, nobody else gets water from that location till your order it totally filled.
If anyone has figured out a way to operate as a trader within the current market, please, PLEASE give me some insights. I'm desperate to make a workable career of trading.
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Darwpromtheus
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Posted - 2004.01.09 23:53:00 -
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Yeah and shuttel prices are skyrocketing 10 mil! (if yer lucky) My father used to beat us to dead.... with a Harrrrringgn .. but the market was not as borked as it is nowadazys.
And when u ºcant fill ur indie so u can pose as decºent looot fest to pyrates what are u going to do.?
*beats back inner forum troll*
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Ariemeth
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Posted - 2004.01.10 00:01:00 -
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The market does work FIFO, but if someone has a buy order for 1 billion water at 3 isk and you but in a buy order for 3.01 isk you will out bid him when water becomes available. The FIFO applies to order of the same amount.. ie 1 billion orders at 3isk.. you put a order in for 3 isk afterwards.. the 1 billion order will be filled first.
The market isn't griefed people just don't sit down to figure out the little details involved. The market IS NOT the same as it use to be, new ways of doing things have to be developed...
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Drusilla
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Posted - 2004.01.10 00:08:00 -
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I wish someone would accurately document the way it works now, it would be SO useful. :)
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Von Schnopp
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Posted - 2004.01.10 09:58:00 -
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Perhaps I'm naive, but I hope the advent of Tech II and the development and production thereof will help stabilizing the market and make competition wortwhile. After all, Tech II requires a litte more than just a cheap BP and some minerals as is the case with Tech I products most of the time.
I hope the complexity, hard work and committment needed for it will contribute to single out the unworthy ones from the market ;)
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Wulfnor
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Posted - 2004.01.10 15:59:00 -
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The most disappointing thing about the market at present is the small quantities and thus the time required to buy/sell a specific amount.
I am hoping the smaller quantities will allow the Trade skill to be implemented at last. The potential profit on any given buy/sell amount with npcs is now sufficiently small that they might turn it on.
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