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FarScape III	Posted - 2007.05.26 19:54:00 - [1] Low sec status should not have concord come down on you. Use it as a tool to see what a person is up too maybe. But Sec status hit is separating low sec from high, & low sec is then dead. Because Concord keeping you out of getting back into hi sec just because you are defending your self by brining the fight to your enemy. Because pirates have to then stay in low sec and zoom through hi sec to get past Concord... Because miners etc... Stay then in Hi sec And they zip in and out quick of low sec Miners or whom ever do not stay long in low sec because they can not defend them selves for fear of not being able to freely roam hi sec again. It's like you can not PvP enough to make your area of space safe for a while even. You need to do more then just run away to be able to go in low sec for more then just a quick dip in the pool. Get it CCP? You might and may be doing some thing about it but even factional warfare will be one sided with sec hits. To win you need to strike 1st! And hard. So what are we supposed to do? Let them pick the fight? On some one elseÆs terms? You can keep hi sec ganking an instant death but get rid of low sec status hit. Low sec should be no concord yes, and not a hit on sec status if you start the fight. Also it is then difficult to get reinforcements because of them fearing to loose sec status, the list goes on. A Minmater City... Cool! My Stats :)
Kramer Verone Amarr TeamMX	Posted - 2007.05.26 19:59:00 - [2] The life of a pirate isn't easy, I don't believe most would want it any other way, pirate and car bear.
Duck Andcover Don't be Alarmed	Posted - 2007.05.26 20:03:00 - [3] Originally by: Kramer Verone The life of a pirate isn't easy, I don't believe most would want it any other way, pirate and car bear. Car bears!
FarScape III	Posted - 2007.05.26 20:11:00 - [4] Originally by: Kramer Verone The life of a pirate isn't easy, I don't believe most would want it any other way, pirate and car bear. Pirates have a rep and the sec status can stay but... People do not go to low sec for long because of knowing they can not go back to high sec after defending them selfÆs or helping out a m8. A pirate is a pirate because of what they do, NOT because of the sec status a person has. The reason the Pirates do not get the butt handed to them is because they always get to attack 1st. I would not call being a pirate tuff when sec status is what keeps it easy for them. Fear of low sec status is what cause people not to get back at pirates, and that stupid KILL RIGHTS thing is lame. KILL RIGHTS is useless in so many ways. A Minmater City... Cool! My Stats :)
Blue Pixie	Posted - 2007.05.26 20:31:00 - [5] Originally by: FarScape III To win you need to strike 1st! And hard. So you want to strike first, strike hard, AND suffer no consequences? And this you call defending yourself? Sounds like the George W. Bush school of reasoning. Good luck with that.
BekStorm	Posted - 2007.05.26 21:41:00 - [6] Originally by: Blue Pixie Originally by: FarScape III To win you need to strike 1st! And hard. So you want to strike first, strike hard, AND suffer no consequences? And this you call defending yourself? Sounds like the George W. Bush school of reasoning. Good luck with that. There is no threat if everyone, besides you, is dead
Jarna Amarr Eve University	Posted - 2007.05.26 21:53:00 - [7] Edited by: Jarna on 26/05/2007 21:53:39 Edited by: Jarna on 26/05/2007 21:53:02 Originally by: Blue Pixie Originally by: FarScape III To win you need to strike 1st! And hard. So you want to strike first, strike hard, AND suffer no consequences? And this you call defending yourself? Sounds like the George W. Bush school of reasoning. Good luck with that. When YOU can run a REAL military engagement and YOU can lead a REAL country, flame Bush all you want. Until YOU'RE qualified, shut the heck up. To address the topic, if you defend yourself, no you shouldn't take a sec hit...if you so do. I've never been attacked before by a PvP'er so I'm not sure. But it seems to me if you defend yourself there should definitely be no consequences. I don't agree with the shoot first thing though. If you attack first, what's to say you aren't a pirate. It's not like the game can, or ever can, differentiate.
Tek Manson	Posted - 2007.05.26 22:31:00 - [8] Edited by: Tek Manson on 26/05/2007 22:31:30 Originally by: Jarna Edited by: Jarna on 26/05/2007 21:53:39 Edited by: Jarna on 26/05/2007 21:53:02 Originally by: Blue Pixie Originally by: FarScape III To win you need to strike 1st! And hard. So you want to strike first, strike hard, AND suffer no consequences? And this you call defending yourself? Sounds like the George W. Bush school of reasoning. Good luck with that. When YOU can run a REAL military engagement and YOU can lead a REAL country, flame Bush all you want. Until YOU'RE qualified, shut the heck up. seems like a nerve was struck. you're right, you shouldn't ever criticize anything the government does. back on topic: while i don't agree with everything the OP says, i do thing there is something to be said of defending one's POSes and friends in low sec by intercepting enemy forces on the way to attack. otherwise they enemy gets a free shot before the defense can act.
Petrothian Tong Gallente	Posted - 2007.05.26 22:55:00 - [9] snickers man, I am laughing so hard.... not at you.. but two words popped up in my head... "Pre-emptive strike" =P -Siggi- ""PvP" isn't only direct person to person combat, it can be very indirect. Selling an item on the market which somebody buys from you is resulting in another guy not getting a sale." Oveur
Blue Pixie	Posted - 2007.05.26 23:42:00 - [10] Originally by: Jarna When YOU can run a REAL military engagement and YOU can lead a REAL country, flame Bush all you want. Until YOU'RE qualified, shut the heck up. I didn't realize Bill O'Reilly played EVE. Look, bub, I've had family both serve AND die in the military. I also pay taxes. If you don't think that qualifies me to criticize the standing administration, then I suggest you find a fascist country to go drink your KOOL-AID«. Patriotism isn't blind obedience.
Your Name	Posted - 2007.05.26 23:51:00 - [11] So let me get this straight, someone that is ratting is jumping from roid field to roid field. He enters the field you are mining in. You then what? Shoot him? How exactly did you determine that he is hostile without him shooting you first? Or should that section of low sec space be yours to control, killing all that enter? Thats what 0.0 is about. Total control with no repercussions. If you are in a system and someone enters, you can always shoot him. You just have to wait out the aggro timer before approaching a gate/station. Sure you will get a security hit, but assuming you are ratting, you should be able to keep it from reaching -2. Unless of course your objective was to kill every ship that enters that system. At which point, just call yourself a pirate and be done with it.
firepup82 Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.05.27 00:14:00 - [12] Originally by: Blue Pixie Originally by: Jarna When YOU can run a REAL military engagement and YOU can lead a REAL country, flame Bush all you want. Until YOU'RE qualified, shut the heck up. I didn't realize Bill O'Reilly played EVE. Look, bub, I've had family both serve AND die in the military. I also pay taxes. If you don't think that qualifies me to criticize the standing administration, then I suggest you find a fascist country to go drink your KOOL-AID«. Patriotism isn't blind obedience. Ok. Your family being the key words. Not you. I also served in Iraq. And yes you do have a right to voice your opinion BECAUSE of veterans.....But do you really think they want to hear your whining? Making them think what they do is in vein! Oh nevermind. I'm going to be a good guy and leave it alone.
Agnar Koladrov Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2007.05.27 00:30:00 - [13] Edited by: Agnar Koladrov on 27/05/2007 00:29:18 To the op: Depends what you do in lowsec. There must be a form of criminal status/punishment ingame. So I partly disagree with you. Partly because you can`t yet affiliate yourself with any good/bad npc faction, lets say to guard parts of low sec for that empire/faction (ala factional warfare) and therefor get not sec hit while defending a certain area. But in my opinion if you choose to live the life of a criminal, then by all means, if you have enough bad rep/sec status standing everyone should be able shoot you. Even npc factions, like concord. If you are like:"arg! im just defending my stuff, but not gatecamping/etc a system into oblivion and not shooting 'Everyone' that commes through". Then wel...bummer...you have to wait for factional warefare. If "shoot everything that commes through, or gets in sight" then bummer for you, you know the consequences of the current system. Simple as that. ________________________________________________ -- What a Revelation! -- Where was the creativty for speed/mass/etc when the tier2 Battlecruisers were designed? Why the same for each race BC?
ObiAliKonobi mUfFiN fAcToRy Vigilance Infinitas	Posted - 2007.05.27 00:50:00 - [14] Originally by: Blue Pixie Originally by: FarScape III To win you need to strike 1st! And hard. So you want to strike first, strike hard, AND suffer no consequences? And this you call defending yourself? Sounds like the George W. Bush school of reasoning. Good luck with that. Hell yeah Works for me
Han Grit Gallente Automated Industries Ltd.	Posted - 2007.05.27 01:31:00 - [15] Lead ? Qualified ? ...
FarScape III	Posted - 2007.05.27 02:35:00 - [16] Thank you as always for all your replies, and itÆs cool if you disagree with me. I just like to throw some ideas out there every once in a while. I do think low sec is going to be I think being looked at by CCP in the near future, especially with Factional Warfare coming out. It seems the low sec and high sec do not mix so well, but with Factional ware fare maybe thatÆs what CCP was trying to do, make low sec and high sec more connected to each other. A Minmater City... Cool! My Stats :)
Lisento Slaven Amarr Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.05.27 02:56:00 - [17] CONCORD doesn't shoot at you when you have low security status. The NPC navy does. And get this...you can shoot back at them!!! The only problem I have with low sec status is the fact that I have to stay in 0.0 to fix it. There is no way to fix sec status other than by killing NPC ships (and it is pointless killing anything smaller than a battleship). I wish there were improvements made on how to gain back security status. --- Lisento Slaven wants to be a Space Whaler in EVE. Put in space whales!
Pewpewdude	Posted - 2007.05.27 02:58:00 - [18] Edited by: Pewpewdude on 27/05/2007 02:57:02 I dont quite understand this thread, it is comprised of gibberish and nonsense. There is no concord in lowsec, no concord chasing outlaws in high sec. Its also the punishment for becoming an outlaw, so you basically want outlaws to be free to do what they like? Why doesnt everyone become an outlaw, what a grand idea.
FarScape III	Posted - 2007.05.27 03:19:00 - [19] Originally by: Lisento Slaven CONCORD doesn't shoot at you when you have low security status. The NPC navy does. And get this...you can shoot back at them!!! The only problem I have with low sec status is the fact that I have to stay in 0.0 to fix it. There is no way to fix sec status other than by killing NPC ships (and it is pointless killing anything smaller than a battleship). I wish there were improvements made on how to gain back security status. Oh man! Thanks for pointing that out, I'm going to fix that, lol it might make this thread even more confusing? But yes the sec status should be able to be hired in many ways, besides that would be fun. How about running missions for Concord or who ever? A Minmater City... Cool! My Stats :)
Eskalin Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.27 03:48:00 - [20] Edited by: Eskalin on 27/05/2007 03:49:03 i served my country in ruby tuesdays then i got a real job on topic pirates have always had hauler alts to buy them things and transport them to their base whats the prob? Originally by: MrTripps combat in Jita is as slow and ugly as watching senior citizens copulate.

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