Originally by: Etien Aldragoran

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Actually I just happen to talk like that normally, thanks for the ******* troll though. Also I'm not on these forums to make friends, I'm pretty sure the Swarm has enough of them, and the people who disagree with me aren't going to be swayed by eloquence anyway, they're already hypnotized by you BoB bull****, feebleminded gits that they are.

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Originally by: Toffles

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Edited by: Toffles on 28/05/2007 08:30:33
Just to be crystal clear on something a lot of people seem to be missing:

***GOONSWARM DID NOT ORCHESTRATE THESE ALLEGATIONS***

Everything except the DS1 allegation was first published by the person who we don't speak of, on the site we don't speak of. The DS1 guys didn't bring anything up until after the other allegations came to light. I assume the DS1 guys planned on dealing with the situation privately until they read about the stuff from that certain off site blog.

WE ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE IN ANY WAY FOR THE TIMING OF THIS

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Originally by: Biatchen

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Originally by: Kaplanelle

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Originally by: CCP kieron

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The question that you should be asking is why this became an issue with the corporation three weeks after their player submitted a petition.

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Whoa, back up there pal. That's not the tone you take with paying customers, ever. People can have honest misunderstandings, and CCP shouldn't be alledging anything different unless they have absolute proof otherwise.

This was a customer service failure on CCPs part by not having enough customer contact. Why you're takings such a customer hostile stance makes me wonder what your employer is thinking allowing the community manager take up that kind of attitude.

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I Actually have to agree with this customers statement!
Looks like another sweep under the rug /Punish the customer who's not in the right group of preferred customers operation for CCP

Seriously Don't you care anymore about your Reputation's?

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Originally by: Toffles

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Why didn't we destroy the game back then when we were in just about the worst position you can get? You and Kieron would love to turn this around on us, to distract the public from the fact that CCP has given special advantages to BoB for years, but it just won't fly.

As for these allegations being proven groundless, that's is far from happening and you know it. At the very least BoB has admitted to having special communication channels to the developers of the game through msn. It's a massive conflict of interest, it's newsworthy, and for some it's worth quitting the game over.

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Originally by: Toffles

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It's been posted about a billion times, but the only reason this came down to forum spam was due to CCP's actions in trying to cover-up this incident. Calling these trivial issues? You're just trolling. The 150 page over this is all the evidence you need that no one on either side considers this trivial.

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Originally by: Toffles

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Originally by: Alice Cholmondeley

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The only spin i see is coming from GoonSwarm running in damagecontrol mode. You failed, you spammed and now you have to face the consequences.

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Yeah right we failed. We had no agenda except to get CCP to address these issues. But go on, while the most damning allegations haven't been addressed yet you continue to declare "victory". Like I already said, even if all that comes of this is the dianabolic stuff, that's all people need to hear

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Originally by: Cabal Leader

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I will play the Game if you give me a few of your CCP MSN contacts Blacklight! This way if something upsets me I can feel it is now a Level playing field because I can backdoor the petition system too just like BOB do!

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Originally by: Toffles

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As for "orchestrating coordinated attacks on the game on numerous other websites". Please show proof of the following:
-orchestration
-coordination
-attacks
I'll save you the trouble. It was reactionary to hearing about the allegations. At the time, CCP was trying to cover the incident up and we were making that impossible for them.

a. They deserve the bad publicity
b. Anything which motivates CCP to be a more ethical company is good for this game.

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Originally by: Dominique Parr

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For the most party, I'm seeing Goons using some flaw logic.

Devs know how to make items.
BoB knows Devs.
Therefore Bob knows how to make items.

This logic model represents the "Association Fallacy". It's a proof to disprove broken logic.

Seriously, what you're saying is "I have the number to IRS, therefore I get tax breaks."

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Originally by: Deus Ex'Machina

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For reference, devs/gms speaking with high ranking BoB members via MSN (the players knowing they are speaking with devs!) on a regular basis, any moral man would not step into a clonflict of interests so easily.

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Originally by: Toffles

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We don't decide what's good for the game and we've never said that. BoB decides cheating is good for their game, Goonswarm decides CCP being less corrupt is good for our game. Yes, amazingly it took 4 hours to see that CCP was going to simply cover it up like they tried before. There was no email response, or forum response saying "hold on guys, we'll address this". Nothing, just plain old sweeping under the rug, thread deletion, in game banning, and petition deletion (although CCP denies it).

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Originally by: Deus Ex'Machina

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If however Dianabolic would join irc i bet he could squeeze some dire info on how the threadnought coverup is going...

That's the difference, regardles of the medium, be it irc/msn/yahoo/ventrilo/teamspeak/home phone or whatever...

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Originally by: Elspeth Vigneron

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I don't buy the "privacy" excuse. Noone should have an expectation of in-game privacy. It sounds like you're trying to sweep this under the rug. I don't trust you. I have no reason to trust you. Every bit of law enforcement and forensic auditor training is saying: dig harder, there's something rotten here.

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Originally by: ElweSingollo

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I understand that but as I said earlier this to an extent is tied up in the T20 incident the only way that it came out into the public domain was because of a "Drama Bomb" CCP tried to cover that one up and now have an image problem that associates them with ebndervouring to cover up "Shady Dealings" they would like to have the benefit of the doubt but they seem not to have learnt any PR lessons from the previous incident.

I will await with interest what Aarkonon says about the "Alleged" deleted petition from the CEO of DS1 in regards to Sharkbait joining the corp did it exist/was it deleted/if so why? etc.

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