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LittleTerror Caldari kleptomaniacs	Posted - 2007.05.29 00:48:00 - [31] Originally by: Derovius Vaden I think the pirates need to accept the fault for low security being a complete wasteland in terms of player occupance. You've over preyed your targets, and now they've adapted to new, greener fields. Maybe if you laided low for a few months to a year, people might start flying out to low sec again to make some ISK. Until then, don't get too bored playing with yourselves . Yeah I know its a wasteland and we killed all the carebears woohoo, we won eve.
Lynal Gallente Peregrin Avionics	Posted - 2007.05.29 00:49:00 - [32] Originally by: Saint Lazarus Originally by: Derovius Vaden Originally by: Saint Lazarus Originally by: Derovius Vaden I think the pirates need to accept the fault for low security being a complete wasteland in terms of player occupance. You've over preyed your targets, and now they've [strike]adapted[/stike] whined and whined till CCP gave in and nerfed piracy. Maybe if you laided low for a few months to a year, people might start flying out to low sec again to make some ISK. Until then, don't get too bored playing with yourselves . Fixed it for you. Oh and dumbest idea of the month, congrats hands the offical dum dum of the month C&P forum award Come to think of it, I've only seen low sec pirates crying about no one living in low sec anymore. I really don't care what people in low sec do, I love my concord security blanket. Then dont go around advisin low sec pirates what to do oh i'd say he has every right to advise you what to do since he's the one who got what he wanted and you weren't. just because he got it by doing something you don't like and won't work for you doesn't invalidate his advise. (ccp isn't going to listen to the bloodthirsty kill everything crowd over the fluffy carebear crowd... there's more money to be made listening to the carebears).
Durethia Momentum. The Reckoning.	Posted - 2007.05.29 00:56:00 - [33] Originally by: Derovius Vaden I think the pirates need to accept the fault for low security being a complete wasteland in terms of player occupance. You've over preyed your targets, and now they've adapted to new, greener fields. Maybe if you laided low for a few months to a year, people might start flying out to low sec again to make some ISK. Until then, don't get too bored playing with yourselves . Lay low for a few months, a year? Seriously, ten minutes after you take down the bubble, the gate will become Grand Central Station for every newbie, hauler, WCS fitted battleship in the immediate region and all surrounding regions.
jimmyjam Turbulent	Posted - 2007.05.29 01:23:00 - [34] Originally by: IgnorantBliss Originally by: Zhett Haukes And for the record, I never get bored playing with myself. QFT. Nice sig dude* runs away*
Thomas Torquemada Minmatar Universal Peace Corp	Posted - 2007.05.29 02:11:00 - [35] lowsec is not empty because of pirates, its empty because tis a waste of time being there when you can do agent missions or just mine boring rocks all day, or rat in 0.0 for yet more cash, which is the easyest for newcomers now that passive shield drakes/myrmidons can handle 2-3bs spawns with normal gear. Most of the time is someone is crazy enough to think they can make cash in lowsec, the big thing that changes their mind is when they rightmouse/info you, people are pretty switched on these days and always check, meaning all i have to do is sit in a system and it eventually docks up or emptys, either way the system dies off. UPC - PVP'ers Good and Bad, How Do You Want Peace? Through Talk Or In A Casket? We Decide! Peace My Brothers...
killerkeano kleptomaniacs	Posted - 2007.05.29 03:26:00 - [36] think the lack of incentive for bears to enter low sec is the main reason, atm most people mine in 0.9 mining veld as its more profitable and less risk, apparently. and how can a guy ever get bored playing with himself, esp when you have sexy looking alts! KLEPTO PUBLIC FORUM - for bears to whine and fellow pirates to come say hello
Cpt Branko	Posted - 2007.05.29 08:43:00 - [37] I mostly live in low-sec, because high-sec mission running gets awfully boring after a while. However, ratting in, say, 0.3 doesn't really make you much money at all, even with no pirates around. I've basically lost more money in low-sec then I made (lost a mostly T2-fitted BC to a gatecamp, but I played it really dumb, could've prevented that), but it's good for learning what works and what doesn't. Anyway, people who ransom you are fine - but people who just kill your ship are the real annoyance, because on top of losing more cash, you end up having to go around for a couple of hours to find all the good stuff to outfit a new ship properly. Then again, if it's a frig/etc, then you'll either pop it or it'll fly away. I know I only got my frig caught in camps twice, and it was due to lag (hah, once I actually jumped to the other side in a frig, and it blew on the other side of the gate). Still, even with low rewards, it's more interesting then high-sec. Just not very profitable with current rewards in low-sec, so most people won't really go there if racking as much ISK/hour is what they're interested in. Unless you're a pirate, I suppose ;P
50freefly Caldari Purify	Posted - 2007.05.29 11:19:00 - [38] Originally by: Derovius Vaden Originally by: Saint Lazarus Originally by: Derovius Vaden I think the pirates need to accept the fault for low security being a complete wasteland in terms of player occupance. You've over preyed your targets, and now they've [strike]adapted[/stike] whined and whined till CCP gave in and nerfed piracy. Maybe if you laided low for a few months to a year, people might start flying out to low sec again to make some ISK. Until then, don't get too bored playing with yourselves . Fixed it for you. Oh and dumbest idea of the month, congrats hands the offical dum dum of the month C&P forum award Come to think of it, I've only seen low sec pirates crying about no one living in low sec anymore. I really don't care what people in low sec do, I love my concord security blanket. OR you could make use of yourself and come down here and kill some prats...? Honestly it's not like they play godmode... Originally by: Eight Ace For reasons that have been lost in the mists of time all caldari ships are designed by two people. One does the left hand side and the other does the right. And they never meet.[/
DarkElf Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.05.29 11:22:00 - [39] Originally by: Derovius Vaden I think the pirates need to accept the fault for low security being a complete wasteland in terms of player occupance. You've over preyed your targets, and now they've adapted to new, greener fields. Maybe if you laided low for a few months to a year, people might start flying out to low sec again to make some ISK. Until then, don't get too bored playing with yourselves . lolololol low sec is almost empty because there's very little reason to go there. crap ores for miners (or so i've been told ), low end npc bounties etc. And 0.0 is often safer for much more reward. Of course part of it is due to pirates but if we don't kill ppl there then WTF do we care if anyone is there or not? DE
Cpt Fina Perkone	Posted - 2007.05.29 12:25:00 - [40] Targets seem to be alot less common now than half a year ago. I think that a 10-25% increase in ratbounties and some lowsec-exclusive oretypes would take care of that problem.
Lynal Gallente Peregrin Avionics	Posted - 2007.05.29 12:47:00 - [41] Originally by: Thomas Torquemada lowsec is not empty because of pirates, its empty because tis a waste of time being there when you can do agent missions or just mine boring rocks all day, or rat in 0.0 for yet more cash, which is the easyest for newcomers now that passive shield drakes/myrmidons can handle 2-3bs spawns with normal gear. Most of the time is someone is crazy enough to think they can make cash in lowsec, the big thing that changes their mind is when they rightmouse/info you, people are pretty switched on these days and always check, meaning all i have to do is sit in a system and it eventually docks up or emptys, either way the system dies off. actually its empty for both reasons. the rewards for doing bussiness in low sec are pretty much identical to what you get in high sec... except that pirates inhabit low sec, so the risk is too high. solution... either make the rewards of low sec better than high sec (not likely to happen, ccp wants to please the bigger money making group of players... i.e. carebears)... or reduce the pirate threat. the first solution players can't do anything about... the second solution though players can do something about... even if it means they don't like it or want to do it (i.e. do like the op suggests)
Nines Tslaruk Minmatar North Face Force Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.05.29 12:47:00 - [42] I saw mentioned on another "Save Lowsec" thread an idea to move all ice-belts to lowsec. This and higher level agents being available only in lowsec might fix the problem. ------------------- NFF Recruitment NFF Killboard
General Coochie Gallente The Blue Dagger Mercenery Agency	Posted - 2007.05.29 13:21:00 - [43] Ugh, I blame reading this thread on aggro timer.
bigfatbird New Justice	Posted - 2007.05.29 15:31:00 - [44] Originally by: General Coochie Ugh, I blame reading this thread on aggro timer.
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2007.05.29 16:59:00 - [45] Originally by: Cpt Fina Targets seem to be alot less common now than half a year ago. I think that a 10-25% increase in ratbounties and some lowsec-exclusive oretypes would take care of that problem. No, people would still be in high security, just making less money.
Diana deVos	Posted - 2007.05.29 19:46:00 - [46] Originally by: Derovius Vaden I think the pirates need to accept the fault for low security being a complete wasteland in terms of player occupance. You've over preyed your targets, and now they've adapted to new, greener fields. Maybe if you laided low for a few months to a year, people might start flying out to low sec again to make some ISK. Until then, don't get too bored playing with yourselves . No. Has nothing to do with pirates. Has to do with mineral prices. Right now a jetcan worth of Scordite is worth more than everything in low-sec except Hedbergite. So who wants to go to low-sec and take a risk when Empire Mining is more rewarding. Believe me, back in the 'good old days,' when mining low-sec paid twice what Empire paid, I did it. Mining away like crazy with all those lasers to manage. Swooping in my alt and retrieve the can. Pirates trying to get me. Pirates actually getting me. Even got podded once. And, of course, those desperate pleas for help from corp mates silly enough to take a Retriever to low sec... And me trying not to laugh at them on Vent... I even have some bits of unrefined jaspet in my hanger as a memory of the good old days of mining in my Domi. :wipes tear from corner of eye: Yeah, those were the good old days. Now, if you whine enough to CCP to make the ore in low-sec worth getting... Maybe the golden days of piracy will come back. But until it's worth it... Why bother?
Igus	Posted - 2007.05.29 20:19:00 - [47] The risk vs reward for low sec is extreamly out of balance both for combat and industrial. High sec, pretty safe, ok rewards. Low sec, very high chance of getting gankspanked, which lowers reward far more than compared to high sec.
Zedrik Cayne Gallente Vendetta Incorporated	Posted - 2007.05.29 21:24:00 - [48] Edited by: Zedrik Cayne on 29/05/2007 21:24:10 Edited by: Zedrik Cayne on 29/05/2007 21:23:31 Don't discount mining in low sec. If you've found a low traffic area where folks are scurrying through, the scordite roids are freakin huge from being left alone. Sure its not as safe, but you're much less likely to get your ore stolen. That and you're likely mining for the local pirates (Hey, some of them were decent enough industrialists before they got the taste of blood in their mouths) And as folks have said before, every pirate needs a gimp with a huge cargo hold and decent flying skills to bring in a spare cruiser/BC/BS now and again. Edit for spelling. -- A legitimate businessman interested in unilateral re-appropriation of goods and salvage.
Petrothian Tong Gallente	Posted - 2007.05.30 04:10:00 - [49] Edited by: Petrothian Tong on 30/05/2007 04:09:36 errrm...... no amount of reward will lure ppl into low sec to be wtfbbq and losing 2 hours to 2 months of work lol... -Siggi- ""PvP" isn't only direct person to person combat, it can be very indirect. Selling an item on the market which somebody buys from you is resulting in another guy not getting a sale." Oveur
deathforge The Accursed	Posted - 2007.05.30 06:19:00 - [50] Edited by: deathforge on 30/05/2007 06:19:48 Edited by: deathforge on 30/05/2007 06:18:22 Originally by: Lynal Originally by: Zhett Haukes Not interested in wars, I like ransoming people. thats fine... but like the op said, you guys essentially over did it... and now you don't have the targets you want. he's just put forward the solution available (ccp might change things someday, but until then this really is your only option to encourage people to return to low sec)... if you're not willing to do what is necessary to bring your targets back its no one's fault but your own. I'm certainly not complaining. But in all fairness, when it comes to mission busting, we've got the best damn crew of assassins you'll ever see gut a carebear. In my 2 years or so of eve, all of it spent killing people for fun and loot, the belts of low sec have always been mostly empty, only the occasional noob or baitship passing through. You hit up the belts for a quick chase and cheap thrills, you get out the probes or set up camp to get paid. I and my merry band of griefers spent sunday from downtime to downtime dropping one ship after another, few ransoms, some good loot, and as our targets can confirm had a great time in doing so. We allowed those that paid to continue unmolested in their multi-part missions, and had some friendly chats with them in local as they did. I even joined gang with one of them to help him clear out the frigates he was having trouble killing. Great times had by all (at least, the ones that paid and didn't find out just how quick a wolf can squish a pod). Don't make baseless accusations on the state of piracy, as the OP did, if you actually have no idea what you're talking about beyond reading the laments of failures on the forums. I don't lecture you about the zydrine market, don't try to tell me how my business is doing And by the way, I rule you. ---------------------- Jerk + 122k skillpoints + Determination = Rifter of DoomÖ
vildmand	Posted - 2007.05.30 12:35:00 - [51] well jumping into a lowsec system with a Caracel fittet for missions and then get slaughtered by atleast 4 BS and 6 other random ships all with Tech II guns.... that dosent really make me wanna go back there for some time without checking it out in a shuttle first. I guess it dosent matter if its overkill aslong as you get to blow stuff up. But hey I'm only like 3 months old so what do you care.
DarkElf Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.05.30 12:54:00 - [52] Originally by: vildmand well jumping into a lowsec system with a Caracel fittet for missions and then get slaughtered by atleast 4 BS and 6 other random ships all with Tech II guns.... that dosent really make me wanna go back there for some time without checking it out in a shuttle first. I guess it dosent matter if its overkill aslong as you get to blow stuff up. But hey I'm only like 3 months old so what do you care. I guess that's the difference right there between a and a . It made you not want to go back, it would have made me want to get a bigger ship and friends and go straight back. DE
Sunny Mooninite	Posted - 2007.05.30 13:19:00 - [53] Originally by: Ren Tales trolzorz! Hooray! FTW --- Haha, you can't unread my post!
Sunny Mooninite	Posted - 2007.05.30 13:22:00 - [54] Originally by: DarkElf I guess that's the difference right there between a and a . There are two kind of people in the world, those who divide the world into "self-and-others" and those who don't. --- Haha, you can't unread my post!
Major Stormer Caldari Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.05.30 13:25:00 - [55] Originally by: DarkElf Originally by: vildmand well jumping into a lowsec system with a Caracel fittet for missions and then get slaughtered by atleast 4 BS and 6 other random ships all with Tech II guns.... that dosent really make me wanna go back there for some time without checking it out in a shuttle first. I guess it dosent matter if its overkill aslong as you get to blow stuff up. But hey I'm only like 3 months old so what do you care. I guess that's the difference right there between a and a . It made you not want to go back, it would have made me want to get a bigger ship and friends and go straight back. DE QFT Its just a game. Get over yourselfs.
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2007.05.30 18:15:00 - [56] Originally by: DarkElf Originally by: vildmand well jumping into a lowsec system with a Caracel fittet for missions and then get slaughtered by atleast 4 BS and 6 other random ships all with Tech II guns.... that dosent really make me wanna go back there for some time without checking it out in a shuttle first. I guess it dosent matter if its overkill aslong as you get to blow stuff up. But hey I'm only like 3 months old so what do you care. I guess that's the difference right there between a and a . It made you not want to go back, it would have made me want to get a bigger ship and friends and go straight back. DE And that in the end makes you a fool, even with a damn dread in siege, there is no point going back to a multiple ship gate camp alone. Play smart, not aggressive.
IntegralHellsing Gallente The League of Legitimate Nigerian Businessmen	Posted - 2007.05.30 18:42:00 - [57] Originally by: Derovius Vaden Originally by: Zhett Haukes Lay low for a year?! What do you suggest we do during that time? It's not like we can come into highsec is it? And for the record, I never get bored playing with myself. Fight BoB? taking loots off bob ships are not fun, as we know that they have massive industrial corps that produce T2 stuff at ridiculously cheap price. better off griefing people who spent their sweat and blood on the modules, then we will know that they'll be crying inside their clone bay --------------------------------------
Riho Gallente Magnificent Beavers Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2007.05.31 05:07:00 - [58] Originally by: Derovius Vaden Originally by: DarkElf Originally by: vildmand well jumping into a lowsec system with a Caracel fittet for missions and then get slaughtered by atleast 4 BS and 6 other random ships all with Tech II guns.... that dosent really make me wanna go back there for some time without checking it out in a shuttle first. I guess it dosent matter if its overkill aslong as you get to blow stuff up. But hey I'm only like 3 months old so what do you care. I guess that's the difference right there between a and a . It made you not want to go back, it would have made me want to get a bigger ship and friends and go straight back. DE And that in the end makes you a fool, even with a damn dread in siege, there is no point going back to a multiple ship gate camp alone. Play smart, not aggressive. guess ur one of those who have a hard time to comprehend the word Friends :P and what DE said... when i see a camp and have enough friends online... we will organize and try to blow em up :P lots of fun --------------------------------------- Sig killed by MODs.... reworking it Great being Gallente... aint it ? ----------------- YARRRR, sig hijack! -HornFrog -----------------
Christopher Dalran Gallente Deadly Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.31 15:41:00 - [59] Edited by: Christopher Dalran on 31/05/2007 15:41:09 Nah low sec is dead because theres no reason to even be out there. If you want the ore its safer to join an alliance and mine it in 0.0 and if you want to sell it for isk its more profitable to mine for trit/pyerite in high sec and never lose a ship while being AFK. If you want to do missions theres no LP/isk/reward/ect. bonus for running a mission in low sec so you just pick the High sec agents. Exploration sites are decent in low sec but those people are in cov ops so fat chance getting any of them. Make Low sec more profitable to the point that its worth bothering going in there and you'll see an increase in activity, namely people borthing to spend the isk/time getting prepared since the return would be worth the hastle. Don't mistake it for easy targets however, since its dangerous expect to see the serious people with gangs set up expecting a fight. Its just not worth the hastle to make any serious effort in low sec, you just pack up for 0.0 if you have time for anything. ------------------------------- C.D's Formula for success ------------------------------- Credit Card = Game Time Card Gametime Card = ISK Therefore Credit Card = ISK.
DarkElf Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.05.31 15:46:00 - [60] Originally by: Riho Originally by: Derovius Vaden Originally by: DarkElf Originally by: vildmand well jumping into a lowsec system with a Caracel fittet for missions and then get slaughtered by atleast 4 BS and 6 other random ships all with Tech II guns.... that dosent really make me wanna go back there for some time without checking it out in a shuttle first. I guess it dosent matter if its overkill aslong as you get to blow stuff up. But hey I'm only like 3 months old so what do you care. I guess that's the difference right there between a and a . It made you not want to go back, it would have made me want to get a bigger ship and friends and go straight back. DE And that in the end makes you a fool, even with a damn dread in siege, there is no point going back to a multiple ship gate camp alone. Play smart, not aggressive. guess ur one of those who have a hard time to comprehend the word Friends :P and what DE said... when i see a camp and have enough friends online... we will organize and try to blow em up :P lots of fun glad someone pointed that out so i didn't have to DE

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