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Tawny Merekitain Amarr Void Angels THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY	Posted - 2007.05.29 06:45:00 - [1] I was using a Prophecy then a Harbinger for Lev 3s, going to move to lev 4's sometime soon so I bought an Apoc but dont much like it. Is it possible to do Lev 4 missions in a HAC or command ship or some medium-turret cruiser type ship or should I stick to a BS? I only use Amarr ships, am 12.5million skill points, very casual player, hehe. Thanks
Carniflex Caldari Fallout Research Fallout Project	Posted - 2007.05.29 07:24:00 - [2] It is possible to do them in in HAC's, BC's and ofcource in command ships also. Note however that this is rather ineffective way of doing them. Amarr ships are also not the best option for PvE due to fixsed damage types. Easiest solution would be to take one week of training time to get into Raven (say, torpedoes lev 3, Caldary BS lev 3 and shield tank with cap injector) Whitch should speed up your mission running process considerably. Even with just T1/named tank and launchers.
Mabari	Posted - 2007.05.29 09:33:00 - [3] here we go again. welcome to caldari online :(
vanBuskirk Caldari	Posted - 2007.05.29 09:43:00 - [4] I did Assault yesterday in a passive tanked Drake (yawn yawn, yes I know)) and it was doable, even easy, but took far too long - about 3+ hours including looting. Breaking BS tanks in a BC takes ages; for most of them it took a full launcher-load to kill them. It took 4500 rounds of ammo! However, my Drake isn't as well-equipped as possible (a mixture of assorted named t1 launchers and no shield rigs, so only one BCU to make room for a DCU) so maybe a really pimped-up ship would do better. There is one advantage, however; disconnection or an urgent phone call don't mean loss of your ship. In the right HAC it should be easy; maybe a Cerberus? I also haven't tried tech 2 missiles - maybe furies would kill stuff quicker. Just my 0.02 isk. ---------------------------------------------- "Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent."
NewTag	Posted - 2007.05.29 11:49:00 - [5] The Gallente Ishtar is a nice lvl-4 mission runner, same i think about Caldari Cerberus. Just don't use a HAC on lvl-4, if you don't have the skills 'with you'. But some lvl-4 takes so long to do in a HAC (imo). But as support gunship HAC's are bip-bip nice. /NewTag
Vasiliyan SURF Industries	Posted - 2007.05.29 12:12:00 - [6] Just got into an Astarte (at 20m skillpoints); not only does it run level 4s nicely it's also much more fun than a raven. It's great against the hordes of cruisers.
Tawny Merekitain Amarr Void Angels THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY	Posted - 2007.05.29 16:39:00 - [7] hrmm, thanks for the responses I have about 70k in Missile skills versus 3.8million in Gunnery for Lasers, not sure its wise I suddenly change my entire way of going about war or not :) Sounds like Sacrilege nor Zealot nor Harbinger are particularly useful for L4s though so far? So I might have no choice but to find a BS I like.
Marduk Starkiller Maelstrom Crew	Posted - 2007.05.29 16:54:00 - [8] Absolution is pretty decent for missions, but if i were you i'd go for an Abaddon. It tanks very well and it has high dps, so things would go much faster. But that is only for blood/sansha/drone missions. If you get gurista/angel missions, you better call in a friend or be ready to spend a lot of time doing them. -----------
Visionsz Caldari Midas Tycho	Posted - 2007.05.29 17:46:00 - [9] I gave L4's a break in my Cerb, now I'm back doing L4's in a passive tanked Drake! Extremely boring but brings the money in, now training for Capitals Just some pics!
Blakkon Darkthorn	Posted - 2007.05.29 21:03:00 - [10] Well I am not Caldari, but Not Amarr either (Gallente) and I routinely run lvl 4's in a HAC, Ishtar to be exact. It is just as fast at killing, and better tanked, than a Dominix while having better speed. So yes, HACS can be used effectively to run lvl 4's but not all races equally.
Lithalnas Amarr Hadean Drive Yards Archaean Cooperative	Posted - 2007.05.29 23:25:00 - [11] has anyone tried switching your abaddon to projectiles for guristas and whatnot? ------------- Hadean Drive Yards The EvE inflation, 80 Macro miners, 1.5b isk/day
ElCholo Minmatar FarCry Inc Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.30 02:10:00 - [12] Lv4s in cerb are easy if you have at least hac4 + t2 heavy launchers. Dont even bother with t1 launchers .. dps just isnt there. permatank is reccomended for purposes of lag control so gistii small booster is in order.
Overd0ze Caldari Cirrius Technologies O X I D E	Posted - 2007.05.30 10:53:00 - [13] I run lvl4s with my Absolution/Zealot all the time. Most of the missions are pretty easy apart from the Guristas. But I usually dont get too many Guristas missions and pass them.
Tawny Merekitain Amarr Void Angels THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY	Posted - 2007.05.30 17:43:00 - [14] Thank you for the info Overdoze I think I like the medium turrets and cruisers most so I may train towards HAC and Command Ships. arrrrrr
Dahak2150 Chaos Monkeys	Posted - 2007.05.30 20:10:00 - [15] As mentioned above, Zealot/Sacrilege are slow to do it, but can. Absolution is a bit faster, but still slower than a BS due to fixed damage types (Unless you only fight bloods, sanshas, and rogue drones). Myself, one who lives in Minmatar space, occasionally gets fed up and just flies a dominix to make it faster. ---------------- Originally by: "Cyberus" cause its has no sence anyway your brains is simply wont accept that anyway.
Amii Agoria	Posted - 2007.05.31 13:46:00 - [16] Edited by: Amii Agoria on 31/05/2007 13:48:04 Edited by: Amii Agoria on 31/05/2007 13:45:25 Originally by: Dahak2150 As mentioned above, Zealot/Sacrilege are slow to do it, but can. Absolution is a bit faster, but still slower than a BS due to fixed damage types (Unless you only fight bloods, sanshas, and rogue drones). Myself, one who lives in Minmatar space, occasionally gets fed up and just flies a dominix to make it faster. Yeah, it does take a while sometimes. But if you got most of the support skills at 4 + some dmg/rof (5%) implants you kill really nice (and they are cheap!). Ofcourse the resists on the absolution are much better so its easyer to stay alive and do the dmg over time. -Overd0ze
G0rF Gallente The Causality Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.05.31 14:19:00 - [17] Get a Drake. Passive tank it. Solo lvl 4's. Cheap n cheerful ;) Staying in Ammarrian ships? See above posts. The Causality international MMO gamers' community
Dahak2150 Chaos Monkeys	Posted - 2007.06.01 00:28:00 - [18] On the plus side, after training for an Absolution I can mince Sansha's nice and pretty, and it's much more fun than the Dominix. ---------------- Originally by: "Cyberus" cause its has no sence anyway your brains is simply wont accept that anyway.
Weyoun 1 Gallente Soviet Star Federation Celestial Frontier	Posted - 2007.06.01 16:00:00 - [19] You can do lvl4s with a properly fitted Harbinger.
Tawny Merekitain Amarr Void Angels THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY	Posted - 2007.06.01 17:37:00 - [20] what would be a properly fitted Harbinger setup
Weyoun 1 Gallente Soviet Star Federation Celestial Frontier	Posted - 2007.06.01 20:27:00 - [21] 7x Heavy Modulated Beam Lasers, 1x Small Tractor 3x Cap Recharger II, 1x Fleeting Webber 4x Armour Hardeners, 1x EANM II, 1x Med Armour Repair II 2x CCC, 1x Aux Nano 4x Hobgoblin II, 3x Hammerhead II
The Djego	Posted - 2007.06.06 02:04:00 - [22] It is possible to do Level 4 in a Hac. Ishtar is quite good here espcaliy aginst Serpentis or Guristas it¦s real fun. I started Level 4 with about 5 M SP, most of them was in Learning back there. I used and still use Dominix for the Missions. Commands should be able to tank quite good and do a fair amount of Damage, but I doubt this will be as fast as a Battleship with proper Skills. Start Level 4 in a BS, if you get higher Skills and knowing the Missions you can still switch to a smaller ship. Battleship will still be a good choice, give it a try.
Trenam Ecshoel	Posted - 2007.06.08 08:59:00 - [23] I am just guessing here, but wouldn't using a Sacrilege fitted with launchers circumvent the Angel/Guristas problem? It should tank well, too, so why isn't anyone using it ? Is her dps still too low?
Kyrall Cirrius Technologies O X I D E	Posted - 2007.06.08 12:10:00 - [24] I used to use a zealot, tried a sacrilege and lost it through carelessness (it can tank fine, that was all my fault) and didn't bother replacing it as it just wasn't as good as the zealot. Those two launcher slots just don't add all that much damage. Just skip angel missions. I used to use a raven but found this so boring I switched to a zealot and loved it, it's a much more interesting ship to fly! I have since changed to an absolution and it rips through missions. It can kill a sansha bs faster than a well skilled raven, though getting into range slows you down a fair bit. I still would not say it is an "inefficient" way of missioning. If you can get a mate in another absolution you can really rip through missions ridiculously fast. Me and Overd0ze do some missions together with 3 or even 4 heat sinks each! - Take another step back until you find you've walked away...
Kaid Tallinu Gallente SHAPE	Posted - 2007.06.09 08:56:00 - [25] I generally fly Apoc or Raven, depending on the mission. Having said that, the Zealot is my ship of choice for the rogue drone missions. Fit it with heavy beams, a web, and a couple of heatsinks - the range and damage mean you don't have to tank too much, you'll be killin' most of 'em before they get close to hitting you. The few that get close are easily dispatched with the web and the reasonable tracking on the lasers. In the end though, it comes down to personal choice. I like to use the right tool for the job, but having lots of different ships is a luxury many players can't afford. What exactly was it about the Apoc you didn't like?
Lexiana Del'Amore Gallente Nouvelle Rouvenor	Posted - 2007.06.09 13:37:00 - [26] Doing lvl 4's in a 600m/s Ishtar is alot of fun
Ryan Scouse'UK	Posted - 2007.06.10 15:49:00 - [27] Originally by: Lexiana Del'Amore Doing lvl 4's in a 600m/s Ishtar is alot of fun 620ms here =)
Captain Powers	Posted - 2007.06.10 19:13:00 - [28] Using a 237 m/s ishtar But with a 131 hp/second passive shield tank. The ship tanks like a dream but the drones /sigh. Yesterday, I would instruct them to attack BS's 35km away. They would go 3/4 way and then 2 drones would peel away to a new target while the remaining 3 decided on a different target. Now today, while taking on a BS to about half damage, they quit fighting. I first, I thought I was seeing things but yeah, they quit attacking. CCP, if this was missiles or guns, this would be addressed. My new sig, CCP FIX THE [BLIPPING] DRONES! ! ! Isn't it fun playing Caldari Online? ? ?

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