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GO MaZ Chaos Reborn	Posted - 2007.05.29 17:06:00 - [31] I loled, mainly at the amazing amount of idiots who thought the OP was being serious and didn't realise it was a parody
WhitePhantom Gallente Edenists	Posted - 2007.05.29 17:12:00 - [32] Originally by: Lisento Slaven Simple - docked people shouldn't show up in local! They already show up in the guest list! Oh and I thought this said "nerf afk docTers" at first. I wasn't sure what to think. This is actually a good suggestion
Savesti Kyrsst Minmatar White-Noise	Posted - 2007.05.29 17:16:00 - [33] Edited by: Savesti Kyrsst on 29/05/2007 17:15:02 /signed 9/10 A+++ would buy again
Rhaegor Stormborn Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e	Posted - 2007.05.29 17:16:00 - [34] Originally by: GO MaZ I loled, mainly at the amazing amount of idiots who thought the OP was being serious and didn't realise it was a parody Parody or not, afk station humpers cause lag and should be kicked off the server.
Terazuk	Posted - 2007.05.29 17:16:00 - [35] Oh god yes! Nerf it all I say! ~ "BANG you're dead!"
Akwarr	Posted - 2007.05.29 17:20:00 - [36] wtf ok the majority of the eve forums apparently are filled with REALLY dense people. The fact that 90+% of you guys actually took this seriously scares me somewhat. This was obviously a JOKE thread that was written SARCASTICALLY. It was BLATANTLY obvious too.
eveplayer11	Posted - 2007.05.29 17:23:00 - [37] Edited by: eveplayer11 on 29/05/2007 17:22:42 Originally by: Big Al When we get walking in stations you can go over to them and write stuff on their foreheads. BOB headshot..
leir	Posted - 2007.05.29 17:23:00 - [38] Edited by: leir on 29/05/2007 17:24:13 Too bad I found this thread as late as I did or I would have been able to show the OP the difference between an "AFK docker" and an "AFK cloaker." Anyways, I'll post now. Anyone who thinks AFK cloaking and AFK docking are in any way similar and thus showing people how dumb the cloak nerf is by telling people it's like making it so people can't AFK dock please read this. You will see that you are wrong. * AFK cloaking can occur in ANY system, AFK docking (Its not even a real term since it is a non-issue, because it is so vastly different from AFK cloaking) can only occur in systems where there are non conquorable npc stations (systems no one can have sov over). * When someone or a group of people are AFK cloaking in your alliances claimed system (or elsewhere) they have the ability to appear 5KM away from you with zero seconds notice. When someone (or a group of people) are AFK docking all it takes is ONE PERSON watching to alert everyone else once one of the hostiles undock. * When people are AFKing in your system, you have no idea where they are. AFK docking, you know exactly where they are. * NPC stations and stations you have docking rights with are supposed to be safe. No one, in my opinion, should be safe undocked in 0.0 space, espeically if you are in an alliances home system AFK while 100 people search for you. * Adding in the POTENTIAL for people to catch cloakers as long as the cloakers are AFK or make really stupid mistakes is a good move. Allowing cloakers to be 100% undetectable (a thing I've never heard of in any other game) is asking for AFK abuse to begin. To summarize, AFK docking is fine how it is. It is a non-issue, and rightly so. AFK cloaking, on the other hand, is a majorly disrupting/damaging and uncounterable tactic that many people have been abusing. CCP has correctly identified that it is not balanced and are adjusting it. You don't like it? Tough. (That being said, a 15 min universal inactivity log off timer would be nice for the sake of reducing lag.)
FarScape III	Posted - 2007.05.29 17:25:00 - [39] Edited by: FarScape III on 29/05/2007 17:30:50 I get it, it is why when people have a problem they point the blame without the facts? P.S. THAT is the point, right? :) Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn Originally by: GO MaZ I loled, mainly at the amazing amount of idiots who thought the OP was being serious and didn't realise it was a parody Parody or not, afk station humpers cause lag and should be kicked off the server. so like what are you then? A floating around in the vacume of space humper? Ahhhhh they are in a station???!!!!! Big freaking deal, they are playing the economy side of the game. Economy is know to be the best part of the game too. Or do you kill newbs all dy to feel cool? Then you are a newb humper? Haha that sounds freaky. A Minmater City... Cool! My Stats :)
leir	Posted - 2007.05.29 17:33:00 - [40] Originally by: FarScape III Big freaking deal, they are playing the economy side of the game. Economy is know to be the best part of the game too. Read more carefully. If they are actually "playing" the economy side of the game then they are not AFK. No one has a problem with people doing market stuff/chatting/other stuff while docked. Someone just said for the sake of reducing lag to make an inactivity loggout timer. 15 min timer, 1 hour timer, even a 2 hour timer would be better than nothing.
nickky01 The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.05.29 17:39:00 - [41] sometimes i like to log in, and go afk. i'll leave 2 accounts online for 5 to 19 days at a time, often afk. Once i went on vacation to the nile, left both accounts on, when i got back the chat logs for corp chat were over 4 gigs!
Mirirar Solstice Systems Development Concourse	Posted - 2007.05.29 17:45:00 - [42] Originally by: Snacky Treets It's ridiculous that people can sit in station all day with no danger. I see what you did there...
Jesters Knight Eclipse Enterprises Empire Research	Posted - 2007.05.29 17:47:00 - [43] Originally by: Snacky Treets Here's my suggestion: after 30 seconds of being docked, pilots are randomly chucked out of the station with all their belongings and ships. Then they have to scramble to pick up all their clothes and their widescreen tv and their action figures while I sit a few kilometers away in my battleship, spraying them with the garden hose. It's the only fair solution. ROFL Highsec POS labs with no risk of scamming Salvage Drone Operation
The Socialworker Minmatar The Socialworkers	Posted - 2007.05.29 17:51:00 - [44] I think a bigger problem is all the cloaked stations around Minmitar space. You can hardly EVER find them, and all they seem to do is create more lag. I've heard you can tempt them out with a shiney new small POS and some black market fuel, but I think the people pointing and laughing in local scared them off when i tried it.
Chanisihayah	Posted - 2007.05.29 17:59:00 - [45] I would like to be able to force someone to login while they are not at their machine and remote control their account. I could eject all their ships and have some target practice, while slapping their alts with a rubber hose. It would be great fun. Nerf those who have logged off. Being logged off is not an excuse not to to get shot.
Snodipous Amarr Blue Star Brotherhood Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.05.29 18:01:00 - [46] Originally by: leir Edited by: leir on 29/05/2007 17:24:13 * Adding in the POTENTIAL for people to catch cloakers as long as the cloakers are AFK or make really stupid mistakes is a good move. You're totally right. The fact that no force recon ship has been destroyed yet in Eve is a telling sign of how invulnerable they are. ___________ Composed primarily of meat. I speak for my corp and alliance. Everything I say, they will back up 100%. They are absolutely willing to go to war to defend my forum antics.
Kolwrath	Posted - 2007.05.29 18:10:00 - [47] Originally by: leir Some really stupid junk. Uhh its a joke thread you numbskull. Hes using all of the anti-cloaker arguments to apply to docked players. Please go buy a clue in Jita. back on topic: ZOMG THIS IS GAME BREAKING!!!!111!!! CCP NERF TEH DOCKRS OR I QUIT EVE!!!11
Great Artista Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War	Posted - 2007.05.29 18:15:00 - [48] Originally by: Snacky Treets ...My entire alliance has been brought to its knees by these Stationeers exploiting a game mechanic... Your entire... OH MY GOD ___________________________________
leir	Posted - 2007.05.29 18:56:00 - [49] Originally by: Snodipous Originally by: leir Edited by: leir on 29/05/2007 17:24:13 * Adding in the POTENTIAL for people to catch cloakers as long as the cloakers are AFK or make really stupid mistakes is a good move. You're totally right. The fact that no force recon ship has been destroyed yet in Eve is a telling sign of how invulnerable they are. Recons get killed all the time. Just not ones sitting cloaked in a SS. The potential to find those is a good thing. Disagree with me? CCP is the one who decided to fix the problem of AFK cloakers, not me.
William Alex Caldari Viscosity Dark Synergy	Posted - 2007.05.29 19:00:00 - [50] It wouldn't be all that bad if people were to auto-disconnect after afk for a certain amount of time. Don't feed the trolls. Thank you - The Establishment.
leir	Posted - 2007.05.29 19:01:00 - [51] Edited by: leir on 29/05/2007 19:04:08 Originally by: Kolwrath Originally by: leir Some really stupid junk. Uhh its a joke thread you numbskull. Hes using all of the anti-cloaker arguments to apply to docked players. Please go buy a clue in Jita. back on topic: ZOMG THIS IS GAME BREAKING!!!!111!!! CCP NERF TEH DOCKRS OR I QUIT EVE!!!11 I see you noticed the OPs post was sarcastic, but what you did not notice is that it is actually not just a silly joke. It's a pro AFK cloaker post. The OP is a person who wants cloaking to remain how it is, and in order to make fun of everyone who wants AFK cloaking nerfed, he is comparing it to AFK docking. His point is: "AFK docking is a dumb idea, right? So why do all you people want AFK cloaking nerfed?" I countered by showing him/his supporters how different AFK docking is from AFK cloaking. They are far from the same thing, therefore if AFK docking does not need to be changed, it says nothing about the status of AFK cloaking. Who's the numbskull? You are just as bad as the people that thought this was literally an anti AFK docking thread.
Kolwrath	Posted - 2007.05.29 19:09:00 - [52] Edited by: Kolwrath on 29/05/2007 19:08:10 Originally by: leir Edited by: leir on 29/05/2007 19:04:08 Originally by: Kolwrath Originally by: leir Some really stupid junk. Uhh its a joke thread you numbskull. Hes using all of the anti-cloaker arguments to apply to docked players. Please go buy a clue in Jita. back on topic: ZOMG THIS IS GAME BREAKING!!!!111!!! CCP NERF TEH DOCKRS OR I QUIT EVE!!!11 I see you noticed the OPs post was sarcastic, but what you did not notice is that it is actually not just a silly joke. It's a pro AFK cloaker post. The OP is a person who wants cloaking to remain how it is, and in order to make fun of everyone who wants AFK cloaking nerfed, he is comparing it to AFK docking. His point is: "AFK docking is a dumb idea, right? So why do all you people want AFK cloaking nerfed?" I countered by showing him/his supporters how different AFK docking is from AFK cloaking. They are far from the same thing, therefore if AFK docking does not need to be changed, it says nothing about the status of AFK cloaking. Who's the numbskull? You are just as bad as the people that thought this was literally an anti AFK docking thread. My god it was a joke man. The whole thread is a joke. Shesh you need to get out more. Yeah he was making a point and ya know what? I agree with him. There are striking similarities. BUT CCP is making cloaks probable anyways ... so the whole thing is really moot now isen't it. Shesh man he was poking fun at the anti-cloak arguments .. and you totally went off the handle. When your in Jita buying a clue, pick up a sense of humour as well.
Mifter Hogdido Amarr The 0ri	Posted - 2007.05.29 19:12:00 - [53] Edited by: Mifter Hogdido on 29/05/2007 19:12:25 EDITED Forget it.
leir	Posted - 2007.05.29 19:15:00 - [54] Originally by: Kolwrath Yeah he was making a point and ya know what? I agree with him. There are striking similarities. There. Read what you just typed. That is EXACTLY why I posted what I did. In addition to it being a joke thread, he was MAKING A POINT (that AFK cloaking does not need to be nerfed) and you are foolish enough to think his point was actually valid. Even after reading my counter to his point, you still think his point is valid. I obviously did not do good enough of a job countering his point....or you just lack a fair mind and the logic/selflessness to see truth. I know exactly why he posted and what the purpose of his post was.
Ki An Gallente The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2007.05.29 19:23:00 - [55] Originally by: leir There. Read what you just typed. That is EXACTLY why I posted what I did. In addition to it being a joke thread, he was MAKING A POINT (that AFK cloaking does not need to be nerfed) and you are foolish enough to think his point was actually valid. Even after reading my counter to his point, you still think his point is valid. I obviously did not do good enough of a job countering his point....or you just lack a fair mind and the logic/selflessness to see truth. I know exactly why he posted and what the purpose of his post was. You do realize that there are people who really don't feel the anti-cloakers have valid arguments, right? I'm not saying I'm one of them, but the level of arrogance in your post is pretty annoying. You're basically saying that those who don't want cloaking "fixed" are wrong, and you are right, despite the fact that the argument has been running for quite some time now? Please, when you are in Jita buying a clue and a sense of humor, be sure to insure your clue in case you lose it. /Ki Joy to the world Beware: I'm a "viscous pirate"!
Kolwrath	Posted - 2007.05.29 19:24:00 - [56] Originally by: leir Originally by: Kolwrath Yeah he was making a point and ya know what? I agree with him. There are striking similarities. There. Read what you just typed. That is EXACTLY why I posted what I did. In addition to it being a joke thread, he was MAKING A POINT (that AFK cloaking does not need to be nerfed) and you are foolish enough to think his point was actually valid. Even after reading my counter to his point, you still think his point is valid. I obviously did not do good enough of a job countering his point....or you just lack a fair mind and the logic/selflessness to see truth. I know exactly why he posted and what the purpose of his post was. Oh god nevermind.
Wylker Caldari Pyrrhus Sicarii Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.29 19:28:00 - [57] This post highlights everything that is wrong with the eve-o forums lol. I love it Snacky :)
leir	Posted - 2007.05.29 19:28:00 - [58] Edited by: leir on 29/05/2007 19:31:55 In case anyone is about to say "ROFLROFL OMG LEIR LOL OMG THE OPS POST HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH AFK CLOAKING! WTH ARE YOU SMOKING OMG ROLF!" please read this: Here Snacky Treets (the OP) writes "So... what's wrong with cloaking and going AFK anyway? It's a tactic....Nerf the self-important weeping carebears, not cloaks." And here he writes "Dear Steppa: The responses to your four-page whine thread in General Discussion outlined many, many ways you can deal with afk cloakers in your system. If you can't or won't deal with it, may I humbly suggest Hello Kitty Island Adventure. I hear they nerfed AFK cloakers in the last patch." BTW, this thread is the first time I've ever read anything Snacky wrote. I only found these pro AFK cloaker quotes of his within the last few minutes to help show people his true intentions. From the very beginning, I, like anyone who has a brain, saw his post for exactly what it was. EXCUSE ME for responding to it in a logical manner instead of either a)not knowing WTF it was about or b)just saying "LOOOOLZ!" The OP had a very specific point. I responded to that point. Sarcasm can make fine points, too, you know. It just happens that his sarcastic point used a comparison that was off. I pointed out the poor comparison lest others think it was valid and begin thinking the upcomming AFK cloaking nerf is "unfair".
Bistot Kid The First Thing You'll Ever See	Posted - 2007.05.29 19:28:00 - [59] Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn Parody or not, afk station humpers cause lag and should be kicked off the server. You are an Eve Dev or DBA? Why do they add to lag if they are performing no transactions on the server, nor do any player ships in space need to be fed information about their position. I think they add nothing to the lag, and if they ever did, CCP Devs would have removed anthing that caused lag long, long ago. ------------------------------------- Hold my calls and sack my cook -------------------------------------
leir	Posted - 2007.05.29 19:39:00 - [60] Originally by: Bistot Kid Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn Parody or not, afk station humpers cause lag and should be kicked off the server. You are an Eve Dev or DBA? Why do they add to lag if they are performing no transactions on the server, nor do any player ships in space need to be fed information about their position. I think they add nothing to the lag, and if they ever did, CCP Devs would have removed anthing that caused lag long, long ago. Does not take a Dev or DBA to know that a player logged into EVE but sitting in a station AFK generates lag. The conversations in all his chat channels are being sent to his cimputer. His face (and standing report) is in local being sent to everyone who enters. Even without those 2 things, I'm sure there are still tons of packets being sent and received between a users computer and the server when the user is touching nothing. All those packets x 1000 AFK people = the potential for a lot of lag. I'm not saying it is a huge issue, nor do I know if the lag it causes is substantial compared to other lag sources. I just know that a good amount of packets are sent all over, not just to CCP but also to and from other players clients, and there are not many good reasons for allowing a user to sit 100% AFK for 10 hours while he is at work.

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