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Snacky Treets	Posted - 2007.05.29 16:00:00 - [1] Edited by: Snacky Treets on 29/05/2007 16:04:49 It's ridiculous that people can sit in station all day with no danger. I have no problem with the general concept of docking. But there's no counter to pilots who log in but never undock! At any time they could simply undock from the station, even with a whole gang, and attack people indiscriminately. When I'm in a solar system and I see people I don't know in local, but I know some of them are sitting, invulnerable, in a station, it drives me mad! Mad I say! Here's my suggestion: after 30 seconds of being docked, pilots are randomly chucked out of the station with all their belongings and ships. Then they have to scramble to pick up all their clothes and their widescreen tv and their action figures while I sit a few kilometers away in my battleship, spraying them with the garden hose. It's the only fair solution.
Roshan longshot Gallente Ordos Humanitas FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.29 16:03:00 - [2] You must have a 'War dec' on sombody who wont leave the station to fight you? Otherwise whats this post about? Free-form Professions, ensure no limetations on professions. Be a trader, fighter, industialist, researcher, hunter *pirate* or mixture of them all. [i]As read from the original box.
Fswd	Posted - 2007.05.29 16:08:00 - [3] Stop whining, goon alt --- So I flame and troll when the occasion calls for it. So what are you gonna do about it?
Corb Caldari	Posted - 2007.05.29 16:08:00 - [4] 30 seconds? You can at least be reasonable. I think that anyone idle in station for over 2 hrs should be disconnected from game. This would free up a lot of bandwidth/lag issues. If you're idle in station for over 2 hrs then chances are .. you're not there.
Snacky Treets	Posted - 2007.05.29 16:08:00 - [5] I just think it's collossally unfair that pilots can sit around all day in their SoloPwnStations and play Eve on easy mode. Maybe we can develop some sort of probing system where we can probe out players in stations and fire a missile at their unprotected meat body of squishy meat...?
Neveren Caldari Setenta Corp Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.29 16:09:00 - [6] no STC recruiting!
Zirator Times of Ancar THE R0NIN	Posted - 2007.05.29 16:11:00 - [7] Originally by: Roshan longshot You must have a 'War dec' on sombody who wont leave the station to fight you? Otherwise whats this post about? This is about the upcoming cloak nerf.
PredatorPT Stormlord Battleforce Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.29 16:11:00 - [8] Strange way to whine about the incoming cloaking nerf, in my opinion. Originally by: Kloro Draz Amar1: We must ensure that the succession of power occurs smoothly. Amar2: Yes, it is god's will that the empire flourish. Hellraiza: Rawrwa rwar rwawr!
Tareen Kashaar Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.29 16:12:00 - [9] Docking? Dudes, there is a far worse problem abound! Nerf Vacuum! --- WTS: Forum Signatures, 30mil a piece. Evemail me! Sig removed. Please keep sigs to 400x120 pixels and 24000 bytes in size or less. -Kaemonn
Spoon Thumb Khanid Aerospace Group Khanid Provincial Authority	Posted - 2007.05.29 16:14:00 - [10] No no no. Just because i spend long periods afk or just doing station and market stuff doesn't mean I don't ever undock and in fact I do and even sometimes take risks !!!!! :-O You're using peverse logic. Like saying "no one ever go outside again ever so we don't have to pay cleaners to wipe muddy floors and can get rid of doors and doormats" Khaldari
Spoon Thumb Khanid Aerospace Group Khanid Provincial Authority	Posted - 2007.05.29 16:17:00 - [11] How about get rid of stations instead? We can have 1/3 systems with a station rather than 3/1 stations/system Khaldari
Snacky Treets	Posted - 2007.05.29 16:18:00 - [12] Originally by: Spoon Thumb Just because i spend long periods afk or just doing station and market stuff doesn't mean I don't ever undock and in fact I do and even sometimes take risks !!!!! That's not the point. The point is that ONE ENEMY PILOT sitting in a station can ruin the game for everybody in the whole solar system. If I see a red square in local chat, I have to immediately flee the system in case he undocks next to me and starts shooting. My entire alliance has been brought to its knees by these Stationeers exploiting a game mechanic to wage a psychological war of terror and uncertainty on us with their Stationy tactics. NERF STATIONS!
Dread Phantom Caldari Project-Chaos	Posted - 2007.05.29 16:23:00 - [13] signed, most games have this why not eve
Lisento Slaven Amarr Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.05.29 16:25:00 - [14] Simple - docked people shouldn't show up in local! They already show up in the guest list! Oh and I thought this said "nerf afk docTers" at first. I wasn't sure what to think. --- Lisento Slaven wants to be a Space Whaler in EVE. Put in space whales!
Ki An Gallente The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2007.05.29 16:26:00 - [15] I think this is an EXCELLENT way of whining about the upcoming cloak-nerf, as it is essentially the same arguments used as against afk-cloakers /Ki Joy to the world Beware: I'm a "viscous pirate"!
Imperator Jora'h	Posted - 2007.05.29 16:26:00 - [16] Why not just have an "AFK" indicator on people's pictures. If you do nothing for awhile the indicator lights up letting everyone know that person is not about. Maybe have a one minute timer that disallows undocking or warping when you return to the game (to avoid people pouncing out of a station upon return). Seems that would solve your troubles fairly well.
GusHobbleton GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.05.29 16:27:00 - [17] I agree, you should be able to dock and use the upcoming Revelations walk-around-the-station thing to be able to attack enemies. It wouldn't be too hard to add a FPS engine to the game. Hey, you could even have special ships dedicated to attaching themselves to enemy vessels, cutting through the hull, and you could slaughter everyone inside to take over the ship. Kind of like the Salvage Corvettes in Homeworld ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dread Operative Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.05.29 16:31:00 - [18] My character needs a 25mm Autocannon II to carry around during ambulation. 75dps with 2x 25mm Autocannon II's loaded with Quake XS. Possibly more efficient to rely on Minmatar alpha against other characters hmm...
sesanti Minmatar Universal Exports Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.05.29 16:32:00 - [19] Originally by: Snacky Treets Originally by: Spoon Thumb Just because i spend long periods afk or just doing station and market stuff doesn't mean I don't ever undock and in fact I do and even sometimes take risks !!!!! That's not the point. The point is that ONE ENEMY PILOT sitting in a station can ruin the game for everybody in the whole solar system. If I see a red square in local chat, I have to immediately flee the system in case he undocks next to me and starts shooting. My entire alliance has been brought to its knees by these Stationeers exploiting a game mechanic to wage a psychological war of terror and uncertainty on us with their Stationy tactics. NERF STATIONS! _______________________________________________ The ShadowMaster - <I am a guy... don't mind the portrait>
Ragnor Dayton Amarr Paxton Industries Paxton Federation	Posted - 2007.05.29 16:34:00 - [20] The solution to this could well be found in the walking in stations upgrade planned. What we need is a new type of skills - personal combat training. Power, Speed, Accuracy, kick, punch, block, etc. If you can see someone in the station, you can attack them with the same rules as applies to that sec concord / war decs / etc. with the exception that if you get concorded you get a 1 day game ban (in prison), and if you "kill" a war target they count as being podded. ------------------------------------------------ Just because your not paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you!
Wild Rho Amarr GoonFleet	Posted - 2007.05.29 16:36:00 - [21] Edited by: Wild Rho on 29/05/2007 16:34:57 *Looks at all the people taking this thread seriously
Red Rumurder 5punkorp Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.05.29 16:36:00 - [22] Originally by: Snacky Treets Originally by: Spoon Thumb Just because i spend long periods afk or just doing station and market stuff doesn't mean I don't ever undock and in fact I do and even sometimes take risks !!!!! That's not the point. The point is that ONE ENEMY PILOT sitting in a station can ruin the game for everybody in the whole solar system. If I see a red square in local chat, I have to immediately flee the system in case he undocks next to me and starts shooting. My entire alliance has been brought to its knees by these Stationeers exploiting a game mechanic to wage a psychological war of terror and uncertainty on us with their Stationy tactics. NERF STATIONS! what if hes a trader then there is no reason for him to undock and fight. who cares if there is 1 one bad guy in system. if you are worried so much have an alt in station with him so you know when he undocks and go about doing your thing. honestly there are other ways then nerfing stations to appease you and others. why does everyone think their way of playing is the right way and everyone should play that way
Big Al The League of Legitimate Nigerian Businessmen	Posted - 2007.05.29 16:39:00 - [23] When we get walking in stations you can go over to them and write stuff on their foreheads.
Spoon Thumb Khanid Aerospace Group Khanid Provincial Authority	Posted - 2007.05.29 16:39:00 - [24] Originally by: Snacky Treets Originally by: Spoon Thumb Just because i spend long periods afk or just doing station and market stuff doesn't mean I don't ever undock and in fact I do and even sometimes take risks !!!!! That's not the point. The point is that ONE ENEMY PILOT sitting in a station can ruin the game for everybody in the whole solar system. If I see a red square in local chat, I have to immediately flee the system in case he undocks next to me and starts shooting. My entire alliance has been brought to its knees by these Stationeers exploiting a game mechanic to wage a psychological war of terror and uncertainty on us with their Stationy tactics. NERF STATIONS! You need to get some better friends / allies Khaldari
Lukor DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.05.29 16:42:00 - [25] Docking is fine as it is. Your signature was inappropriate, email [email protected] to find out why (don't forget to include a link to it) -Sahwoolo
Spoon Thumb Khanid Aerospace Group Khanid Provincial Authority	Posted - 2007.05.29 16:42:00 - [26] Who are your friends / allies? Don't see them under your Avatar & name Khaldari
Snacky Treets	Posted - 2007.05.29 16:51:00 - [27] I don't have any friends. The people I used to play with have all embraced this docking exploit and I don't want any part of those cheesy tactics.
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2007.05.29 16:53:00 - [28] Originally by: Snacky Treets Edited by: Snacky Treets on 29/05/2007 16:04:49 It's ridiculous that people can sit in station all day with no danger. I have no problem with the general concept of docking. But there's no counter to pilots who log in but never undock! At any time they could simply undock from the station, even with a whole gang, and attack people indiscriminately. When I'm in a solar system and I see people I don't know in local, but I know some of them are sitting, invulnerable, in a station, it drives me mad! Mad I say! Here's my suggestion: after 30 seconds of being docked, pilots are randomly chucked out of the station with all their belongings and ships. Then they have to scramble to pick up all their clothes and their widescreen tv and their action figures while I sit a few kilometers away in my battleship, spraying them with the garden hose. It's the only fair solution. You sir/ma'am, are a tool. I demand you pay me back the time it took to read this horrible, horrible post.
BobsBrother	Posted - 2007.05.29 16:58:00 - [29] This gave me a laugh after a crap day at wotk, Thankyou
Garrick Amorr An Eye For An Eye Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.05.29 17:01:00 - [30] Some people just don't understand sarcasm! Great thread snacky
GO MaZ Chaos Reborn	Posted - 2007.05.29 17:06:00 - [31] I loled, mainly at the amazing amount of idiots who thought the OP was being serious and didn't realise it was a parody
WhitePhantom Gallente Edenists	Posted - 2007.05.29 17:12:00 - [32] Originally by: Lisento Slaven Simple - docked people shouldn't show up in local! They already show up in the guest list! Oh and I thought this said "nerf afk docTers" at first. I wasn't sure what to think. This is actually a good suggestion
Savesti Kyrsst Minmatar White-Noise	Posted - 2007.05.29 17:16:00 - [33] Edited by: Savesti Kyrsst on 29/05/2007 17:15:02 /signed 9/10 A+++ would buy again
Rhaegor Stormborn Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e	Posted - 2007.05.29 17:16:00 - [34] Originally by: GO MaZ I loled, mainly at the amazing amount of idiots who thought the OP was being serious and didn't realise it was a parody Parody or not, afk station humpers cause lag and should be kicked off the server.
Terazuk	Posted - 2007.05.29 17:16:00 - [35] Oh god yes! Nerf it all I say! ~ "BANG you're dead!"
Akwarr	Posted - 2007.05.29 17:20:00 - [36] wtf ok the majority of the eve forums apparently are filled with REALLY dense people. The fact that 90+% of you guys actually took this seriously scares me somewhat. This was obviously a JOKE thread that was written SARCASTICALLY. It was BLATANTLY obvious too.
eveplayer11	Posted - 2007.05.29 17:23:00 - [37] Edited by: eveplayer11 on 29/05/2007 17:22:42 Originally by: Big Al When we get walking in stations you can go over to them and write stuff on their foreheads. BOB headshot..
leir	Posted - 2007.05.29 17:23:00 - [38] Edited by: leir on 29/05/2007 17:24:13 Too bad I found this thread as late as I did or I would have been able to show the OP the difference between an "AFK docker" and an "AFK cloaker." Anyways, I'll post now. Anyone who thinks AFK cloaking and AFK docking are in any way similar and thus showing people how dumb the cloak nerf is by telling people it's like making it so people can't AFK dock please read this. You will see that you are wrong. * AFK cloaking can occur in ANY system, AFK docking (Its not even a real term since it is a non-issue, because it is so vastly different from AFK cloaking) can only occur in systems where there are non conquorable npc stations (systems no one can have sov over). * When someone or a group of people are AFK cloaking in your alliances claimed system (or elsewhere) they have the ability to appear 5KM away from you with zero seconds notice. When someone (or a group of people) are AFK docking all it takes is ONE PERSON watching to alert everyone else once one of the hostiles undock. * When people are AFKing in your system, you have no idea where they are. AFK docking, you know exactly where they are. * NPC stations and stations you have docking rights with are supposed to be safe. No one, in my opinion, should be safe undocked in 0.0 space, espeically if you are in an alliances home system AFK while 100 people search for you. * Adding in the POTENTIAL for people to catch cloakers as long as the cloakers are AFK or make really stupid mistakes is a good move. Allowing cloakers to be 100% undetectable (a thing I've never heard of in any other game) is asking for AFK abuse to begin. To summarize, AFK docking is fine how it is. It is a non-issue, and rightly so. AFK cloaking, on the other hand, is a majorly disrupting/damaging and uncounterable tactic that many people have been abusing. CCP has correctly identified that it is not balanced and are adjusting it. You don't like it? Tough. (That being said, a 15 min universal inactivity log off timer would be nice for the sake of reducing lag.)
FarScape III	Posted - 2007.05.29 17:25:00 - [39] Edited by: FarScape III on 29/05/2007 17:30:50 I get it, it is why when people have a problem they point the blame without the facts? P.S. THAT is the point, right? :) Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn Originally by: GO MaZ I loled, mainly at the amazing amount of idiots who thought the OP was being serious and didn't realise it was a parody Parody or not, afk station humpers cause lag and should be kicked off the server. so like what are you then? A floating around in the vacume of space humper? Ahhhhh they are in a station???!!!!! Big freaking deal, they are playing the economy side of the game. Economy is know to be the best part of the game too. Or do you kill newbs all dy to feel cool? Then you are a newb humper? Haha that sounds freaky. A Minmater City... Cool! My Stats :)
leir	Posted - 2007.05.29 17:33:00 - [40] Originally by: FarScape III Big freaking deal, they are playing the economy side of the game. Economy is know to be the best part of the game too. Read more carefully. If they are actually "playing" the economy side of the game then they are not AFK. No one has a problem with people doing market stuff/chatting/other stuff while docked. Someone just said for the sake of reducing lag to make an inactivity loggout timer. 15 min timer, 1 hour timer, even a 2 hour timer would be better than nothing.
nickky01 The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.05.29 17:39:00 - [41] sometimes i like to log in, and go afk. i'll leave 2 accounts online for 5 to 19 days at a time, often afk. Once i went on vacation to the nile, left both accounts on, when i got back the chat logs for corp chat were over 4 gigs!
Mirirar Solstice Systems Development Concourse	Posted - 2007.05.29 17:45:00 - [42] Originally by: Snacky Treets It's ridiculous that people can sit in station all day with no danger. I see what you did there...
Jesters Knight Eclipse Enterprises Empire Research	Posted - 2007.05.29 17:47:00 - [43] Originally by: Snacky Treets Here's my suggestion: after 30 seconds of being docked, pilots are randomly chucked out of the station with all their belongings and ships. Then they have to scramble to pick up all their clothes and their widescreen tv and their action figures while I sit a few kilometers away in my battleship, spraying them with the garden hose. It's the only fair solution. ROFL Highsec POS labs with no risk of scamming Salvage Drone Operation
The Socialworker Minmatar The Socialworkers	Posted - 2007.05.29 17:51:00 - [44] I think a bigger problem is all the cloaked stations around Minmitar space. You can hardly EVER find them, and all they seem to do is create more lag. I've heard you can tempt them out with a shiney new small POS and some black market fuel, but I think the people pointing and laughing in local scared them off when i tried it.
Chanisihayah	Posted - 2007.05.29 17:59:00 - [45] I would like to be able to force someone to login while they are not at their machine and remote control their account. I could eject all their ships and have some target practice, while slapping their alts with a rubber hose. It would be great fun. Nerf those who have logged off. Being logged off is not an excuse not to to get shot.
Snodipous Amarr Blue Star Brotherhood Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.05.29 18:01:00 - [46] Originally by: leir Edited by: leir on 29/05/2007 17:24:13 * Adding in the POTENTIAL for people to catch cloakers as long as the cloakers are AFK or make really stupid mistakes is a good move. You're totally right. The fact that no force recon ship has been destroyed yet in Eve is a telling sign of how invulnerable they are. ___________ Composed primarily of meat. I speak for my corp and alliance. Everything I say, they will back up 100%. They are absolutely willing to go to war to defend my forum antics.
Kolwrath	Posted - 2007.05.29 18:10:00 - [47] Originally by: leir Some really stupid junk. Uhh its a joke thread you numbskull. Hes using all of the anti-cloaker arguments to apply to docked players. Please go buy a clue in Jita. back on topic: ZOMG THIS IS GAME BREAKING!!!!111!!! CCP NERF TEH DOCKRS OR I QUIT EVE!!!11
Great Artista Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War	Posted - 2007.05.29 18:15:00 - [48] Originally by: Snacky Treets ...My entire alliance has been brought to its knees by these Stationeers exploiting a game mechanic... Your entire... OH MY GOD ___________________________________
leir	Posted - 2007.05.29 18:56:00 - [49] Originally by: Snodipous Originally by: leir Edited by: leir on 29/05/2007 17:24:13 * Adding in the POTENTIAL for people to catch cloakers as long as the cloakers are AFK or make really stupid mistakes is a good move. You're totally right. The fact that no force recon ship has been destroyed yet in Eve is a telling sign of how invulnerable they are. Recons get killed all the time. Just not ones sitting cloaked in a SS. The potential to find those is a good thing. Disagree with me? CCP is the one who decided to fix the problem of AFK cloakers, not me.
William Alex Caldari Viscosity Dark Synergy	Posted - 2007.05.29 19:00:00 - [50] It wouldn't be all that bad if people were to auto-disconnect after afk for a certain amount of time. Don't feed the trolls. Thank you - The Establishment.
leir	Posted - 2007.05.29 19:01:00 - [51] Edited by: leir on 29/05/2007 19:04:08 Originally by: Kolwrath Originally by: leir Some really stupid junk. Uhh its a joke thread you numbskull. Hes using all of the anti-cloaker arguments to apply to docked players. Please go buy a clue in Jita. back on topic: ZOMG THIS IS GAME BREAKING!!!!111!!! CCP NERF TEH DOCKRS OR I QUIT EVE!!!11 I see you noticed the OPs post was sarcastic, but what you did not notice is that it is actually not just a silly joke. It's a pro AFK cloaker post. The OP is a person who wants cloaking to remain how it is, and in order to make fun of everyone who wants AFK cloaking nerfed, he is comparing it to AFK docking. His point is: "AFK docking is a dumb idea, right? So why do all you people want AFK cloaking nerfed?" I countered by showing him/his supporters how different AFK docking is from AFK cloaking. They are far from the same thing, therefore if AFK docking does not need to be changed, it says nothing about the status of AFK cloaking. Who's the numbskull? You are just as bad as the people that thought this was literally an anti AFK docking thread.
Kolwrath	Posted - 2007.05.29 19:09:00 - [52] Edited by: Kolwrath on 29/05/2007 19:08:10 Originally by: leir Edited by: leir on 29/05/2007 19:04:08 Originally by: Kolwrath Originally by: leir Some really stupid junk. Uhh its a joke thread you numbskull. Hes using all of the anti-cloaker arguments to apply to docked players. Please go buy a clue in Jita. back on topic: ZOMG THIS IS GAME BREAKING!!!!111!!! CCP NERF TEH DOCKRS OR I QUIT EVE!!!11 I see you noticed the OPs post was sarcastic, but what you did not notice is that it is actually not just a silly joke. It's a pro AFK cloaker post. The OP is a person who wants cloaking to remain how it is, and in order to make fun of everyone who wants AFK cloaking nerfed, he is comparing it to AFK docking. His point is: "AFK docking is a dumb idea, right? So why do all you people want AFK cloaking nerfed?" I countered by showing him/his supporters how different AFK docking is from AFK cloaking. They are far from the same thing, therefore if AFK docking does not need to be changed, it says nothing about the status of AFK cloaking. Who's the numbskull? You are just as bad as the people that thought this was literally an anti AFK docking thread. My god it was a joke man. The whole thread is a joke. Shesh you need to get out more. Yeah he was making a point and ya know what? I agree with him. There are striking similarities. BUT CCP is making cloaks probable anyways ... so the whole thing is really moot now isen't it. Shesh man he was poking fun at the anti-cloak arguments .. and you totally went off the handle. When your in Jita buying a clue, pick up a sense of humour as well.
Mifter Hogdido Amarr The 0ri	Posted - 2007.05.29 19:12:00 - [53] Edited by: Mifter Hogdido on 29/05/2007 19:12:25 EDITED Forget it.
leir	Posted - 2007.05.29 19:15:00 - [54] Originally by: Kolwrath Yeah he was making a point and ya know what? I agree with him. There are striking similarities. There. Read what you just typed. That is EXACTLY why I posted what I did. In addition to it being a joke thread, he was MAKING A POINT (that AFK cloaking does not need to be nerfed) and you are foolish enough to think his point was actually valid. Even after reading my counter to his point, you still think his point is valid. I obviously did not do good enough of a job countering his point....or you just lack a fair mind and the logic/selflessness to see truth. I know exactly why he posted and what the purpose of his post was.
Ki An Gallente The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2007.05.29 19:23:00 - [55] Originally by: leir There. Read what you just typed. That is EXACTLY why I posted what I did. In addition to it being a joke thread, he was MAKING A POINT (that AFK cloaking does not need to be nerfed) and you are foolish enough to think his point was actually valid. Even after reading my counter to his point, you still think his point is valid. I obviously did not do good enough of a job countering his point....or you just lack a fair mind and the logic/selflessness to see truth. I know exactly why he posted and what the purpose of his post was. You do realize that there are people who really don't feel the anti-cloakers have valid arguments, right? I'm not saying I'm one of them, but the level of arrogance in your post is pretty annoying. You're basically saying that those who don't want cloaking "fixed" are wrong, and you are right, despite the fact that the argument has been running for quite some time now? Please, when you are in Jita buying a clue and a sense of humor, be sure to insure your clue in case you lose it. /Ki Joy to the world Beware: I'm a "viscous pirate"!
Kolwrath	Posted - 2007.05.29 19:24:00 - [56] Originally by: leir Originally by: Kolwrath Yeah he was making a point and ya know what? I agree with him. There are striking similarities. There. Read what you just typed. That is EXACTLY why I posted what I did. In addition to it being a joke thread, he was MAKING A POINT (that AFK cloaking does not need to be nerfed) and you are foolish enough to think his point was actually valid. Even after reading my counter to his point, you still think his point is valid. I obviously did not do good enough of a job countering his point....or you just lack a fair mind and the logic/selflessness to see truth. I know exactly why he posted and what the purpose of his post was. Oh god nevermind.
Wylker Caldari Pyrrhus Sicarii Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.29 19:28:00 - [57] This post highlights everything that is wrong with the eve-o forums lol. I love it Snacky :)
leir	Posted - 2007.05.29 19:28:00 - [58] Edited by: leir on 29/05/2007 19:31:55 In case anyone is about to say "ROFLROFL OMG LEIR LOL OMG THE OPS POST HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH AFK CLOAKING! WTH ARE YOU SMOKING OMG ROLF!" please read this: Here Snacky Treets (the OP) writes "So... what's wrong with cloaking and going AFK anyway? It's a tactic....Nerf the self-important weeping carebears, not cloaks." And here he writes "Dear Steppa: The responses to your four-page whine thread in General Discussion outlined many, many ways you can deal with afk cloakers in your system. If you can't or won't deal with it, may I humbly suggest Hello Kitty Island Adventure. I hear they nerfed AFK cloakers in the last patch." BTW, this thread is the first time I've ever read anything Snacky wrote. I only found these pro AFK cloaker quotes of his within the last few minutes to help show people his true intentions. From the very beginning, I, like anyone who has a brain, saw his post for exactly what it was. EXCUSE ME for responding to it in a logical manner instead of either a)not knowing WTF it was about or b)just saying "LOOOOLZ!" The OP had a very specific point. I responded to that point. Sarcasm can make fine points, too, you know. It just happens that his sarcastic point used a comparison that was off. I pointed out the poor comparison lest others think it was valid and begin thinking the upcomming AFK cloaking nerf is "unfair".
Bistot Kid The First Thing You'll Ever See	Posted - 2007.05.29 19:28:00 - [59] Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn Parody or not, afk station humpers cause lag and should be kicked off the server. You are an Eve Dev or DBA? Why do they add to lag if they are performing no transactions on the server, nor do any player ships in space need to be fed information about their position. I think they add nothing to the lag, and if they ever did, CCP Devs would have removed anthing that caused lag long, long ago. ------------------------------------- Hold my calls and sack my cook -------------------------------------
leir	Posted - 2007.05.29 19:39:00 - [60] Originally by: Bistot Kid Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn Parody or not, afk station humpers cause lag and should be kicked off the server. You are an Eve Dev or DBA? Why do they add to lag if they are performing no transactions on the server, nor do any player ships in space need to be fed information about their position. I think they add nothing to the lag, and if they ever did, CCP Devs would have removed anthing that caused lag long, long ago. Does not take a Dev or DBA to know that a player logged into EVE but sitting in a station AFK generates lag. The conversations in all his chat channels are being sent to his cimputer. His face (and standing report) is in local being sent to everyone who enters. Even without those 2 things, I'm sure there are still tons of packets being sent and received between a users computer and the server when the user is touching nothing. All those packets x 1000 AFK people = the potential for a lot of lag. I'm not saying it is a huge issue, nor do I know if the lag it causes is substantial compared to other lag sources. I just know that a good amount of packets are sent all over, not just to CCP but also to and from other players clients, and there are not many good reasons for allowing a user to sit 100% AFK for 10 hours while he is at work.
Martin Mckenna D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.05.29 19:50:00 - [61] 30 seconds! :P....i could fit a ship in that time lol
MrTripps Gallente	Posted - 2007.05.29 20:27:00 - [62] Originally by: leir All those packets x 1000 AFK people = the potential for a lot of lag. Only if CCP is lacking in bandwidth or routing capacity (which I doubt). From what I understand most in-game lag is caused by a large number of database transactions and client UI redraws. Neither of these are increased by someone AFK in a station. If there were thousands on one node maybe... There are plenty of reasons to stay inactive for long periods of time especially if you run more then one client. "Life is nothing but a competition to be the criminal rather than the victim." - Bertrand Russell
Awox Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.05.29 20:29:00 - [63] Yes, nerf them hard. CCP you must do something! BALANCE THE GAEM PLS. - BOOST OUTLAWS (-10.0 and proud of it)
Your Name	Posted - 2007.05.29 20:44:00 - [64] Well, maybe not make them eject, but how about they burn some type of fuel...... Better yet, the longer you sit docked, the more the station charges you for using their services (sewage and water hookup). So a quick dock is free, but if you intend to actually camp, you must pay. And there should also be a fee to cover the showers.
Arushia Nova Labs Empire Research	Posted - 2007.05.29 21:04:00 - [65] Originally by: Snacky Treets Here's my suggestion: after 30 seconds of being docked, pilots are randomly chucked out of the station with all their belongings and ships. Then they have to scramble to pick up all their clothes and their widescreen tv and their action figures while I sit a few kilometers away in my battleship, spraying them with the garden hose. It's the only fair solution. I LOLed. Tired of Waiting? Use Empire Research

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