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Judas Lonestar Ganja Labs Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.29 19:17:00 - [1] So, we've discussed out the age old pistol debate. Honestly, I like the 7.62x25mm but no current production pistol chambers it so meh, 9mm. But, moving on..... 5.56 or .308? As much as I would like to do 5.56 vs 7.62(x39mm) ballistically its like comparing an Inty to an Industrial. So, we'll go with 5.56 vs 7.62x51mm. I suppose we can throw in 7.62x54mm or 7.62x63mm if people insist.... That said 5.56!
Destiny Calling Amarr Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.05.29 19:22:00 - [2] Simple answer 5.56 thats right I need a new sig
Kaeten Hybrid Syndicate	Posted - 2007.05.29 19:54:00 - [3] 7.62 defending 5.56 attacking Pwnage PvP Recruitment \m/ Metal Head \m/
Judas Lonestar Ganja Labs Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.29 19:59:00 - [4] Originally by: Kaeten 7.62 defending 5.56 attacking Interesting.... Why? I can see advantages and disadvantages using either one for one purpose or the other. But I'm curious what you see.
wierchas noobhunter LFC	Posted - 2007.05.29 20:02:00 - [5] i would go for some kind blaster tbh
Kaeten Hybrid Syndicate	Posted - 2007.05.29 20:22:00 - [6] Edited by: Kaeten on 29/05/2007 20:22:44 Originally by: Judas Lonestar Originally by: Kaeten 7.62 defending 5.56 attacking Interesting.... Why? I can see advantages and disadvantages using either one for one purpose or the other. But I'm curious what you see. 7.62 means a bulkier weapon, heavier. Meaning more stable and packs a greater punch. More of a sit down and aim gun. 5.56 is a smaller caliber and the rifles that use it are often smaller and more lightweight than 7.62 weapons. Meaning for more manuverability etc. Pwnage PvP Recruitment \m/ Metal Head \m/
Kaeten Hybrid Syndicate	Posted - 2007.05.29 20:25:00 - [7] Originally by: wierchas noobhunter i would go for some kind blaster tbh There you are you midgit. Pwnage PvP Recruitment \m/ Metal Head \m/
wierchas noobhunter LFC	Posted - 2007.05.29 20:29:00 - [8] Originally by: Kaeten Originally by: wierchas noobhunter i would go for some kind blaster tbh There you are you midgit.
Judas Lonestar Ganja Labs Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.29 20:40:00 - [9] Originally by: Kaeten Edited by: Kaeten on 29/05/2007 20:22:44 Originally by: Judas Lonestar Originally by: Kaeten 7.62 defending 5.56 attacking Interesting.... Why? I can see advantages and disadvantages using either one for one purpose or the other. But I'm curious what you see. 7.62 means a bulkier weapon, heavier. Meaning more stable and packs a greater punch. More of a sit down and aim gun. 5.56 is a smaller caliber and the rifles that use it are often smaller and more lightweight than 7.62 weapons. Meaning for more manuverability etc. True, however on the other side of the argument the 7.62 has better penetration therefore whats cover to a 5.56 is merely concealment to the 7.62..... As I said though, I can see benefits going either way.
SonicCJK The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.05.29 21:38:00 - [10] real men use ze knife.
Lithalnas Amarr Hadean Drive Yards Archaean Cooperative	Posted - 2007.05.29 21:53:00 - [11] 7.62 which is the is one of the most common ammo types in the world thanks to the AK-47 is a good round, good ballistics in reasonable ranges or at least ranges in which the ak47 is still accurate. 5.56 which is known for its its use in the AR15 is a round built to be carried, i would rather carry 100 rounds of 5.56 than 7.62. The ballistics with an AR15 are very good out to something like 200 yards, more can be accomplished but few are that good a shot. 7.62 however is a much heavier bullet, and is therefore better for larger game such as deer and predators(coyotes and whatnot). 5.56 is a light bullet useful for varmints and such. ------------- Hadean Drive Yards The EvE inflation, 80 Macro miners, 1.5b isk/day
RedFall Irreligion	Posted - 2007.05.29 22:26:00 - [12] Originally by: Lithalnas 7.62 which is the is one of the most common ammo types in the world thanks to the AK-47 is a good round, good ballistics in reasonable ranges or at least ranges in which the ak47 is still accurate. 5.56 which is known for its its use in the AR15 is a round built to be carried, i would rather carry 100 rounds of 5.56 than 7.62. The ballistics with an AR15 are very good out to something like 200 yards, more can be accomplished but few are that good a shot. 7.62 however is a much heavier bullet, and is therefore better for larger game such as deer and predators(coyotes and whatnot). 5.56 is a light bullet useful for varmints and such. The AK-47 7.62 is a different length than the NATO 7.62. The NATO 7.62 is more popular in NATO countries, and the AK 7.62 is more popular in former Soviet Bloc and third world countries. Unfortunetally, they are not compatible. With the 5.56 you can hit human sized targets up to 600 yards away using only iron sights, even longer with a scope. It depends on what you are shooting at. If we are talking about human beings, I want to go with a 7.62 NATO Ball round. The 5.56 just doesn't pack enough punch unless you're going after children. If you are talking about hunting, there's better rounds to go with like 300 WSM or 30-06.
Big Al The League of Legitimate Nigerian Businessmen	Posted - 2007.05.30 02:17:00 - [13] 5.56 is a glorified .22 that steps out with a enough velocity so it immediately fragments (with fmj) upon hitting a substence with a subtantial density difference (read, humans). This is what makes it effective. However, when you are using 14.5" or even shorter barrels as some units do (with the m16/ar15) you aren't getting enough muzzle velocity to do much of anything other than make a small hole. I agree with some of the previous statements though, 5.56 is clearly superior for attacking, you can carry a whole lot more, offering a whole lot more supressing fire. For defending when you have large caches of ammo, 7.62NATO wins. 7.62x39 gets a bad rap due to the shoddy construction of a lot of soviet bloc weapons, but it's a fine round, and a lot more appropriate (although still not ideal) for hunting than 5.56. If I had to choose (and I've made my choice) I'd take all 3. In the event that you ever need these weapons for some crisis you don't know what ammo will be available. Diversification wins. I'm for sale
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar Sicarri Covenant	Posted - 2007.05.30 06:36:00 - [14] The 5.56 is my favorite round because of it's crazy ballistics... can enter the shoulder and exit at the knee... a truly evil little round Tic Toc Tic Toc , time is ticking (despite him stopping it ... ~Liz Kali
Tarquin Tarquinius Gallente Escorts of Eve	Posted - 2007.05.30 08:02:00 - [15] "I don't need no teenage queen, I just want my M-14" .308 all the way. My prefered weapon is the FN FAL. Its a good gun; reliable, accurate, easy to operate. Its also the most widely adopted gun in the world (AK is simply the most abundant). My brother prefers the HK51, which is also a perfectly good gun. ----- Traditional morality is just a clever way for the weak masses to shackle the strong individual. -- Callicles
LVSOCOM The Rat Pack	Posted - 2007.05.30 08:18:00 - [16] Edited by: LVSOCOM on 30/05/2007 08:17:22 This thread is worthless without pics! AMEEEERICUH! Bushmaster Lower, RRA Upper, B MP Marked m4 barrel (no ramps :( ) Troy Industries 7.0 EoTech 551 / ARMs#40L BUIS
Tarquin Tarquinius Gallente Escorts of Eve	Posted - 2007.05.30 08:37:00 - [17] Buy a Mk. 23 and you'll have a full set. (if you had the PSG1 completed anyway) ----- Traditional morality is just a clever way for the weak masses to shackle the strong individual. -- Callicles
FireFoxx80 Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.05.30 09:33:00 - [18] Also depends a lot on the situation, as has been stated. 5.56 and 9mm are used in a lot of CQ based weapons (FN-90); 7.62 is a much bigger bang though. What I do the rest of the time - Vote for a Jita bypass!
Dario Wall Caldari The Movement	Posted - 2007.05.30 12:06:00 - [19] 7.62, mainly because I prefer taking well aimed shots at longer ranges. But I'd take this over both.
Gungankllr Caldari STK Scientific Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.05.30 12:44:00 - [20] It all depends on the application. For ultra-long distance sniper work, I'd go with a .416 Barrett, it's dead-bang accurate out to 2500 yards. For urban sniping or static, close-quarters defense in an urban area, I'd go with an M40 / Remington M700 in .308. (There is obviously better rifles out there, but who wants to spend 10 grand on a PSG-1) Everything else is open to interpretation based on where you are going to be fighting. The one thing not open to interpretation however, is the lack of killing power associated with the .556 round. The .556 is a high-velocity, low-mass bullet. I can't believe that anybody is here singing its praises, considering the average number of times you have to shoot somebody with it to render them combat-ineffective. (i.e. Dead) In Somalia, Bosina, Afghanistan and now Iraq, our troops have experienced first hand that the .556 requires multiple follow-on shots on target unless the shooter is lucky and hits something important on the first round. The .308 (7.62) is far better for first-hit incapacitation, but the added recoil and extra weight to carry the same amount of ammunition is the drawback. Anybody used to firing longguns from a braced position knows the only time you'll have issues controlling the recoil is if you either don't lean into it or try and go full-auto from an unsupported position. That's why the BAR has a bipod. Moving on. If you don't have to go into a dwelling or building, you don't unless it's tactically advantageous to do so, you just have an abrams put a couple rounds from momma through a wall. (or a bradley, for that matter, but for shock value to see little people running out the back door I'd pick a smoothbore tank gun anyday) Anyhow, I'm not a fan of the .556 for anything but shooting paper targets on the range. I've seen a Marine from Camp Margarita (33 area at Camp Pendleton) take a richochet in the side of the melon which didn't pierce his skull. (Yeah, it was a mess but he was still talking normally and smoking a cigarette until the corpsman arrived) Granted, I'm sure that the bullet lost quite a bit of its velocity when it smacked into the steel support beam of the target, but still... Anyhow, feel free to discuss but I don't want to kick doors and make entry into a room with a .556 assault rifle. I'd much rather have a short-barrel extended tube shotgun with a couple of breaching rounds on a side saddle, and 6-8 grenades. If it's all the same to you all I'd rather deploy a grenade or two and kill all the asshats inside without giving them a chance to kill me. Oh, and I have some experience in this area, if you couldn't tell.
Tarquin Tarquinius Gallente Escorts of Eve	Posted - 2007.05.30 14:36:00 - [21] There is (in theory) a calibre that has the best of both words. The 6.8mm Remington I have no personel experience with this round though, and I only know of one gun in production that uses it, the Barrett M468. Supposedly HK and FN both made prototypes using the calibre that were field tested in Iraq. ----- Traditional morality is just a clever way for the weak masses to shackle the strong individual. -- Callicles
Roshan longshot Gallente Ordos Humanitas FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.30 14:41:00 - [22] .308 AR-10 is one of the best deer hunting guns I have used. .223 for official stuff. .30/.30 winchester for elk, big deer, and wolves. .300 Magnum for wild boar. Free-form Professions, ensure no limetations on professions. Be a trader, fighter, industialist, researcher, hunter *pirate* or mixture of them all. [i]As read from the original box.
Judas Lonestar Ganja Labs Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.30 17:18:00 - [23] Originally by: Tarquin Tarquinius There is (in theory) a calibre that has the best of both words. The 6.8mm Remington I have no personel experience with this round though, and I only know of one gun in production that uses it, the Barrett M468. Supposedly HK and FN both made prototypes using the calibre that were field tested in Iraq. 6.5 Grendel FTW!
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2007.05.30 18:30:00 - [24] Originally by: Judas Lonestar Originally by: Kaeten Edited by: Kaeten on 29/05/2007 20:22:44 Originally by: Judas Lonestar Originally by: Kaeten 7.62 defending 5.56 attacking Interesting.... Why? I can see advantages and disadvantages using either one for one purpose or the other. But I'm curious what you see. 7.62 means a bulkier weapon, heavier. Meaning more stable and packs a greater punch. More of a sit down and aim gun. 5.56 is a smaller caliber and the rifles that use it are often smaller and more lightweight than 7.62 weapons. Meaning for more manuverability etc. True, however on the other side of the argument the 7.62 has better penetration therefore whats cover to a 5.56 is merely concealment to the 7.62..... As I said though, I can see benefits going either way. You don't need excessive penetration if your soldiers know where to put the rounds.
hattifnatt Gallente The Movement	Posted - 2007.05.30 21:43:00 - [25] Originally by: Derovius Vaden Originally by: Judas Lonestar Originally by: Kaeten Edited by: Kaeten on 29/05/2007 20:22:44 Originally by: Judas Lonestar Originally by: Kaeten 7.62 defending 5.56 attacking Interesting.... Why? I can see advantages and disadvantages using either one for one purpose or the other. But I'm curious what you see. 7.62 means a bulkier weapon, heavier. Meaning more stable and packs a greater punch. More of a sit down and aim gun. 5.56 is a smaller caliber and the rifles that use it are often smaller and more lightweight than 7.62 weapons. Meaning for more manuverability etc. True, however on the other side of the argument the 7.62 has better penetration therefore whats cover to a 5.56 is merely concealment to the 7.62..... As I said though, I can see benefits going either way. You don't need excessive penetration if your soldiers know where to put the rounds. You don't need to know where to put the rounds if your soldiers have exessive penetration. (Just had to.) Originally by: Nicholas Barker i tackled somebody in the middle of nowhere, and told them i wouldn't leave untill they stripped on web cam. Who wants the video?
Kaeten Hybrid Syndicate	Posted - 2007.05.30 21:46:00 - [26] Originally by: Lithalnas 7.62 which is the is one of the most common ammo types in the world thanks to the AK-47 is a good round, good ballistics in reasonable ranges or at least ranges in which the ak47 is still accurate. 5.56 which is known for its its use in the AR15 is a round built to be carried, i would rather carry 100 rounds of 5.56 than 7.62. The ballistics with an AR15 are very good out to something like 200 yards, more can be accomplished but few are that good a shot. 7.62 however is a much heavier bullet, and is therefore better for larger game such as deer and predators(coyotes and whatnot). 5.56 is a light bullet useful for varmints and such. haha ak47 + shooting animals/hunting = lol Pwnage PvP Recruitment \m/ Metal Head \m/
Thuul'Khalat Gallente Phoenix Wing The Cyrene Initiative	Posted - 2007.05.30 21:55:00 - [27] 7.62 brings back "fond" memories of early morning exercises with this thing. --- We are Recruiting!
RedFall Irreligion	Posted - 2007.05.30 22:15:00 - [28] Originally by: Thuul'Khalat 7.62 brings back "fond" memories of early morning exercises with this thing. Me too.
Thuul'Khalat Gallente Phoenix Wing The Cyrene Initiative	Posted - 2007.05.30 22:51:00 - [29] Or not to mention the most fun way to use 7.62 (Provided you get someonelse to clean the thing afterwards) --- We are Recruiting!
Drizit Amarr	Posted - 2007.05.31 00:33:00 - [30] All this talk about single rounds. I prefer one of these or these. Like the old story. Shaped like blocks of chocolate so you can throw it in a room and everyone gets a piece. Why bother with single targets when you can get several with one shot? --

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