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Ghoest
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Posted - 2012.01.02 02:53:00 -
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So youre saying all blacks in EVE should be slaves?
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2012.01.02 07:11:00 -
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Logan LaMort wrote:Ghoest wrote:So youre saying all blacks in EVE should be slaves? Wait, the Sebiestor are black... ? 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Set_theory
Learn it noob.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2012.01.02 16:52:00 -
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Because there were some serious bad choices in original EVE lore and game design its not appropriate IMO to be a proponent of slavery even from a role play perspective.
Remember that...
1 All black avatars in EVE are part of the slave race.
2 All black avatars in EVE originally were from the in game tribe with the lowest intelligence.
These were really bad original choices by the devs. They probably didnt know better because they lived in the rather closed society of Iceland, but none the less it was bad.
So given this back ground I dont really think any one should be openly role playing in favor of slavery.
Its fine to use this as lore and say its the reason for a historic war - but its not fine to be pro-slavery in this context.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2012.01.02 17:24:00 -
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Eyup Mi'duck wrote:
Ghoest, I fully understand your sentiment but you are diving into a hugely controversial area. Take your argument to its logical conclusion and you'll also get to 'I don't really think that any one should be openly role playing in favour of shooting people'.
It just aint gonna happen...
You're never going to resolve the argument re: whether RPG and RL moralities should align.
No that isnt the logical reduction.
My problem is that CCP tied a negative in game status to a real life group - and in a way parallels and magnifies some ugly history .
If the in game groupings had not been tied to real life races I would be content to let people role play slavers.
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Posted - 2012.01.02 18:20:00 -
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Rhinanna wrote:Actually Ghoest, the ONLY group that has ANY relationship to any specific in game group is the Gals been from a french origin.
Also you don't think instead of discrimination, the lower intelligence of the 'ex-slave' races might have been more due to their lower levels of education as opposed to a natural lack of intelligence. It would only really have been discrimination if you couldn't remap your attributes to the same levels as everyone else.
Lets avoid IRL discrimination without influencing RP please, we DON'T need all this political correctness bullshit we get in real life. We can RP as rapists, murders, thiefs and slavers. It has ZERO relevance to the real world.
If you can't seperate the real world from the game then YOU have a problem, not the RPers.
Oh and if you think ANY of this is sick, wait till you see World of Darkness. All I have to say there is read about the Sabbat, that make ANYTHING the Amarr have done tame in comparison.
You are aware that some of what you said doesnt even make sense. Whether or not you actually believe what you roleplay has no bearing upon whether or not the roleplay is disrespectful.
I never said that a person RPing a slaver was a bad person IRL. I said that given the ugly mistakes CCP made early on - it would be best to not RP a slavery because it is is disrespectful.
As for the Gallente issue you have a point - but the degree of negative inference of about the French comes even close to the negative inference about blacks that the devs put in the game originally. If someone find a way to feel insulted as French guys I would give them room for that(I have some French ancestry and dont see it personally.)
On the other hand its notable that CCP has went out of their way to obscure the inferences they made about blacks in the game at release.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2012.01.02 21:47:00 -
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Blue Rook wrote:Ghoest wrote:[quote=Eyup Mi'duck]
My problem is that CCP tied a negative in game status to a real life group - and in a way parallels and magnifies some ugly history .
If the in game groupings had not been tied to real life races I would be content to let people role play slavers. Well.. the uglyness of history should always be magnified - atleast in so much that ignoring history dooms all to repetition. (feel the platitude burn) That being said, New Eden is riddled with barbaric practices - slavery, being only a fraction of them.
You are doing a bit of semantic sleight of hand.
I said something in an obvious context and you are knowingly responding with reference to the word in a different context.
Magnify can simply mean "to make larger" and it was obvious that was my usage. You responded using it with reference to vision.
mag-+ni-+fy/-êmagn+Ö-îf-½/
Verb:
1 -Make (something) appear larger than it is, esp. with a lens or microscope.
2 -Be capable of increasing the size or apparent size of something.
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Posted - 2012.01.02 21:50:00 -
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Rhinanna wrote:Your argument only holds ANY truth if you regard there as been no difference between effective intelligence and potential intelligence. A person with a lesser education with have a lower effective intelligence than someone who has had a better education.
They how how to analyse information better because they have been taught to.
You are reading into it that CCP were saying that the minmatar race is genetically less intelligent than the others, instead of the simple fact that a race emerging from slavery is much much less likely to have the same education facilities. I'm fairly sure that educating their slaves wasn't a high piroity for the amarr.....
You lost - and now you are shaming yourself.
hush
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