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Long John Silver Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 37	Posted - 2012.01.02 16:33:00 - [31] - Quote CCP Navigator wrote: Guys and Girls, if you wish to discuss the backstory of EVE in regards to the Amarr and Minmatar then please do so. If I believe that your posts are racist in nature, or point to real world events, you will be off these forums permanently. Here is a rule of thumb before you have to ask, 'What is allowed?', consider for a moment if I will like it. If not, don't post it. Simple. Navigator, I tread very carefully here but one interpretation of your post is that you have approved of the post five before your own? I think it might be wise to reconsider, then also wipe this post, and any that subsequently quote it. Seriously. Long John Silver \| Pirate Alt-áand Forum Troll.
Nyx Na'gorg Khazarian Resergence Silver Dragonz 27	Posted - 2012.01.02 16:38:00 - [32] - Quote What kind of "Slavery" are we talking about here? Slavery all whip cracks or indentured servitude? P.S. Ancient slavery was indentured servitude, usually with good healthcare, food and shelter.
Ghoest 235	Posted - 2012.01.02 16:52:00 - [33] - Quote Because there were some serious bad choices in original EVE lore and game design its not appropriate IMO to be a proponent of slavery even from a role play perspective. Remember that... 1 All black avatars in EVE are part of the slave race. 2 All black avatars in EVE originally were from the in game tribe with the lowest intelligence. These were really bad original choices by the devs. They probably didnt know better because they lived in the rather closed society of Iceland, but none the less it was bad. So given this back ground I dont really think any one should be openly role playing in favor of slavery. Its fine to use this as lore and say its the reason for a historic war - but its not fine to be pro-slavery in this context. Wherever You Went - Here You Are
Thorn Galen Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact 338	Posted - 2012.01.02 17:02:00 - [34] - Quote Valei Khurelem wrote: As for me seeming like an uneducated buffoon, at least it's better than being an over-educated and arrogant moron. You definitely come across as the latter. Having said that, God loves you. The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another. - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars.
Eyup Mi'duck Republic University Minmatar Republic 32	Posted - 2012.01.02 17:14:00 - [35] - Quote Ghoest wrote: Because there were some serious bad choices in original EVE lore and game design its not appropriate IMO to be a proponent of slavery even from a role play perspective. Remember that... 1 All black avatars in EVE are part of the slave race. 2 All black avatars in EVE originally were from the in game tribe with the lowest intelligence. These were really bad original choices by the devs. They probably didnt know better because they lived in the rather closed society of Iceland, but none the less it was bad. So given this back ground I dont really think any one should be openly role playing in favor of slavery. Its fine to use this as lore and say its the reason for a historic war - but its not fine to be pro-slavery in this context. Ghoest, I fully understand your sentiment but you are diving into a hugely controversial area. Take your argument to its logical conclusion and you'll also get to 'I don't really think that any one should be openly role playing in favour of shooting people'. It just aint gonna happen... You're never going to resolve the argument re: whether RPG and RL moralities should align. I am me.-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á I am not you.-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-áI am happy with this situation.
Ghoest 235	Posted - 2012.01.02 17:24:00 - [36] - Quote Eyup Mi'duck wrote: Ghoest, I fully understand your sentiment but you are diving into a hugely controversial area. Take your argument to its logical conclusion and you'll also get to 'I don't really think that any one should be openly role playing in favour of shooting people'. It just aint gonna happen... You're never going to resolve the argument re: whether RPG and RL moralities should align. No that isnt the logical reduction. My problem is that CCP tied a negative in game status to a real life group - and in a way parallels and magnifies some ugly history . If the in game groupings had not been tied to real life races I would be content to let people role play slavers. Wherever You Went - Here You Are
Rhinanna Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 85	Posted - 2012.01.02 17:44:00 - [37] - Quote Actually Ghoest, the ONLY group that has ANY relationship to any specific in game group is the Gals been from a french origin. Also you don't think instead of discrimination, the lower intelligence of the 'ex-slave' races might have been more due to their lower levels of education as opposed to a natural lack of intelligence. It would only really have been discrimination if you couldn't remap your attributes to the same levels as everyone else. Lets avoid IRL discrimination without influencing RP please, we DON'T need all this political correctness bullshit we get in real life. We can RP as rapists, murders, thiefs and slavers. It has ZERO relevance to the real world. If you can't seperate the real world from the game then YOU have a problem, not the RPers. Oh and if you think ANY of this is sick, wait till you see World of Darkness. All I have to say there is read about the Sabbat, that make ANYTHING the Amarr have done tame in comparison. -The sword is only as sharp as the one who wields it! Other names: Drenzul (WoT, WoW, Lineage 2, WarH, BloodBowl, BSG, SC2 and lots more)-á
Ghoest 235	Posted - 2012.01.02 18:20:00 - [38] - Quote Rhinanna wrote: Actually Ghoest, the ONLY group that has ANY relationship to any specific in game group is the Gals been from a french origin. Also you don't think instead of discrimination, the lower intelligence of the 'ex-slave' races might have been more due to their lower levels of education as opposed to a natural lack of intelligence. It would only really have been discrimination if you couldn't remap your attributes to the same levels as everyone else. Lets avoid IRL discrimination without influencing RP please, we DON'T need all this political correctness bullshit we get in real life. We can RP as rapists, murders, thiefs and slavers. It has ZERO relevance to the real world. If you can't seperate the real world from the game then YOU have a problem, not the RPers. Oh and if you think ANY of this is sick, wait till you see World of Darkness. All I have to say there is read about the Sabbat, that make ANYTHING the Amarr have done tame in comparison. You are aware that some of what you said doesnt even make sense. Whether or not you actually believe what you roleplay has no bearing upon whether or not the roleplay is disrespectful. I never said that a person RPing a slaver was a bad person IRL. I said that given the ugly mistakes CCP made early on - it would be best to not RP a slavery because it is is disrespectful. As for the Gallente issue you have a point - but the degree of negative inference of about the French comes even close to the negative inference about blacks that the devs put in the game originally. If someone find a way to feel insulted as French guys I would give them room for that(I have some French ancestry and dont see it personally.) On the other hand its notable that CCP has went out of their way to obscure the inferences they made about blacks in the game at release. Wherever You Went - Here You Are
Rhinanna Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 85	Posted - 2012.01.02 19:05:00 - [39] - Quote Your argument only holds ANY truth if you regard there as been no difference between effective intelligence and potential intelligence. A person with a lesser education with have a lower effective intelligence than someone who has had a better education. They how how to analyse information better because they have been taught to. You are reading into it that CCP were saying that the minmatar race is genetically less intelligent than the others, instead of the simple fact that a race emerging from slavery is much much less likely to have the same education facilities. I'm fairly sure that educating their slaves wasn't a high piroity for the amarr..... Also what relevance does that have to RPing a slaver.... even IF CCP were been racist (which I don't believe) then that doesn't mean that a player RPing a slaver is been either racist or disrespectful, they are just RPing. Also the fact that there is no relation in the lore between blacks IRL and Minmatar in game completely destroys your argument. For all you know the Minmatar could originally have been a population of white people who simply lived on a planet with a high UV output sun, in which case natural evolution would have made their skin become darker over the generations. Trying to read as much between the lines as you are doing into this you could make a large number of other faulty accusations about anyone. -The sword is only as sharp as the one who wields it! Other names: Drenzul (WoT, WoW, Lineage 2, WarH, BloodBowl, BSG, SC2 and lots more)-á
Blue Rook Tera Incognita Rolling Thunder. 1	Posted - 2012.01.02 20:31:00 - [40] - Quote Rose Hips wrote: Q: Would a Minmatar "Capsuleer" ever be a slave of an Amarr Capsuleer? A: Yes. I know of one such Minmatar Capsuleer that was given to an Amarr Capsuleer as a gift by his mother. The Minmatar is quite skilled and hard working, only flying industrial ships and is never employed in combat. It was apparently the aim of the Amarr mother to ensure that her son didn't leave space untidy with rubble and wrecks, and also she indicated you should never arm the slaves. The means of ownership/dominance of said slave are simple. The Amarr pays for the Minmatar's pilot license and clones, not to mention the Amarr has a permanent tracker affixed. If the Minmatar decided to run, he'd be promptly hunted down, and if he resists further the Amarr slave master would pod him and stop payment on the pilot license. Slavery comes in many forms, physical shackles being more aptly replaced by economics and sociology.

Blue Rook Tera Incognita Rolling Thunder. 1	Posted - 2012.01.02 21:03:00 - [41] - Quote Ghoest wrote: [quote=Eyup Mi'duck] My problem is that CCP tied a negative in game status to a real life group - and in a way parallels and magnifies some ugly history . If the in game groupings had not been tied to real life races I would be content to let people role play slavers. Well.. the uglyness of history should always be magnified - atleast in so much that ignoring history dooms all to repetition. (feel the platitude burn) That being said, New Eden is riddled with barbaric practices - slavery, being only a fraction of them. Ofcourse, I do think that restricting "black skin" to a single race is shortsighted. Specifically, at the minimum the Gallente should have access to the applicable skin-tone and features. Rationally speaking, the fact that all the Empires don't have a wider spread of ethnocentric qualities is a bit absurd IMO. The fact that the Empires themselves do not have a united front on the motivations of a given capsuler is telling, despite the motivations doubtlessly instilled in said pilot by their origin cultures alone. IE: not all Amarr are devot racists, not all Gallente are freedom respecting altruists, not all Caldari are corporate lackies/oppresors, not all Minmatar are abolitionist rebel types, and not all Jovians are... well... weird. Ethnic blending would have/should have happened enough to rationally justify access for every empire to have a wider diversity of ethnic stylization - though that wouldn't necessarily mean access across all bloodlines in a given empire.
Rhinanna Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 85	Posted - 2012.01.02 21:09:00 - [42] - Quote And what would stop that Minmatar capsuleer from flying into Minmatar space? Amarr aren't going to be able to hunt him there, many Minmatar corps would take him in, remove the tracker and give him a job to pay for his license/clones. Also under concord law, only the capsuler himself would be allowed to decide where his clone location was set to. You can't enslave a capsuler unless they want to be 'enslaved' and then its not really enslavement..... -The sword is only as sharp as the one who wields it! Other names: Drenzul (WoT, WoW, Lineage 2, WarH, BloodBowl, BSG, SC2 and lots more)-á
Blue Rook Tera Incognita Rolling Thunder. 1	Posted - 2012.01.02 21:32:00 - [43] - Quote Rhinanna wrote: And what would stop that Minmatar capsuleer from flying into Minmatar space? Amarr aren't going to be able to hunt him there, many Minmatar corps would take him in, remove the tracker and give him a job to pay for his license/clones. Also under concord law, only the capsuler himself would be allowed to decide where his clone location was set to. You can't enslave a capsuler unless they want to be 'enslaved' and then its not really enslavement..... O certainly, nothing can stop him if he decided. Actually at one point he ran away to Angel Cartel because there was an unusually large collection of freedom fighters that he then took to Minmatar space to fund an upgrade to his ship and bolster the liberation of more of his people. In the end his mater caught him and it was a sad state of affairs. The meta catch is The Amarr has access to the Slave's Concord License (read: username and password) so there is no escape for the poor fellow. As meta as it all is, there are absolutely ways for a slave to earn it's freedom with help and motivation. But, it's just as feasible that said capsuleer slave could be prevented/discouraged from grasping the opportunity of freedom.
Blue Rook Tera Incognita Rolling Thunder. 1	Posted - 2012.01.02 21:37:00 - [44] - Quote Rhinanna wrote: And what would stop that Minmatar capsuleer from flying into Minmatar space? Amarr aren't going to be able to hunt him there, many Minmatar corps would take him in, remove the tracker and give him a job to pay for his license/clones. Also under concord law, only the capsuler himself would be allowed to decide where his clone location was set to. You can't enslave a capsuler unless they want to be 'enslaved' and then its not really enslavement..... Partially agreed, fundamentally the primary component of slavery is removing a fellow humans will to fight back for their own freedom IMO. Physical restraint is only a component of slavery.
Ghoest 235	Posted - 2012.01.02 21:47:00 - [45] - Quote Blue Rook wrote: Ghoest wrote: [quote=Eyup Mi'duck] My problem is that CCP tied a negative in game status to a real life group - and in a way parallels and magnifies some ugly history . If the in game groupings had not been tied to real life races I would be content to let people role play slavers. Well.. the uglyness of history should always be magnified - atleast in so much that ignoring history dooms all to repetition. (feel the platitude burn) That being said, New Eden is riddled with barbaric practices - slavery, being only a fraction of them. You are doing a bit of semantic sleight of hand. I said something in an obvious context and you are knowingly responding with reference to the word in a different context. Magnify can simply mean "to make larger" and it was obvious that was my usage. You responded using it with reference to vision. mag-+ni-+fy/-êmagn+Ö-îf-½/ Verb: 1 -Make (something) appear larger than it is, esp. with a lens or microscope. 2 -Be capable of increasing the size or apparent size of something. Wherever You Went - Here You Are
Ghoest 235	Posted - 2012.01.02 21:50:00 - [46] - Quote Rhinanna wrote: Your argument only holds ANY truth if you regard there as been no difference between effective intelligence and potential intelligence. A person with a lesser education with have a lower effective intelligence than someone who has had a better education. They how how to analyse information better because they have been taught to. You are reading into it that CCP were saying that the minmatar race is genetically less intelligent than the others, instead of the simple fact that a race emerging from slavery is much much less likely to have the same education facilities. I'm fairly sure that educating their slaves wasn't a high piroity for the amarr..... You lost - and now you are shaming yourself. hush Wherever You Went - Here You Are
Large Collidable Object morons. 891	Posted - 2012.01.02 22:04:00 - [47] - Quote Rose Hips wrote: Q: Would a Minmatar "Capsuleer" ever be a slave of an Amarr Capsuleer? Actually, I am owned by an Amarr master - however, I'm well-fed and he provides me with beautiful makeup in barrels. There's happiness in slavery. morons- sting like a butterfly and-ápost like a bee.
Vyl Vit Cambio Enterprises 179	Posted - 2012.01.02 22:10:00 - [48] - Quote Hmmm....when they were giving out brains you thought they said "trains" and passed it up. To her it doesn't matter much.-á It's chasms have been leapt, and she leans upon the skepticism of her chosen fate.
Pok Nibin Viziam Amarr Empire 68	Posted - 2012.01.02 22:11:00 - [49] - Quote They may take some convincing, but I'm optimistic. Don't fight it.-á Rejoin your Amarrian patriarchs.-á You know you want to.
Blue Rook Tera Incognita Rolling Thunder. 1	Posted - 2012.01.02 22:14:00 - [50] - Quote Ghoest wrote: You are doing a bit of semantic sleight of hand. You are correct and on the nose. Though, I did/do understand the/your contextual usage of magnify. Unfortunately I'm not overly impressed with with societies ability to maintain an accurate and consistent awareness of history. I'll take what I can get, as far as whatever it takes to ensure that the present and future retain a memory of certain blunders of humanity. Ofcourse not all historical tragedies such as slavery, genocide, and similar depravity are exaggerated (magnified). Enough of them have been dragged into the present social recall as one-liners or tasteless humor I'm ashamed to say. But like I said, I'll take what I can get.

RubyPorto Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion 1115	Posted - 2012.01.02 22:43:00 - [51] - Quote Yeah, this thread isn't going anywhere good. I'm getting out of here. It's a pain I have to shiptoast to unfollow a thread, innit?
Rhinanna Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 87	Posted - 2012.01.03 01:09:00 - [52] - Quote Ghoest wrote: Rhinanna wrote: Your argument only holds ANY truth if you regard there as been no difference between effective intelligence and potential intelligence. A person with a lesser education with have a lower effective intelligence than someone who has had a better education. They how how to analyse information better because they have been taught to. You are reading into it that CCP were saying that the minmatar race is genetically less intelligent than the others, instead of the simple fact that a race emerging from slavery is much much less likely to have the same education facilities. I'm fairly sure that educating their slaves wasn't a high piroity for the amarr..... You lost - and now you are shaming yourself. hush Ah so basically you don't have a counter to my argument, that would mean you lose not the other way round. You haven't answered any of my arguments, frankly if there is anyone making themselves look silly here its you. There is NOTHING disrespectful about RPing a slaver at all, unless you ACTUALLY have a decent argument that: 1- Links in game Black people to IRL Black people 2- Can show that Intelligence in game is mean to be potential/genetic intelligence instead of applied/train intelligence. Then you don't have an argument I'm afraid cos you are making massive assumptions and using them as facts. Given point 2 is virtually proven to be false as better educated people score better on every IQ test available it seems that your argument is based mainly on your bum fluff. Either that or you've simply failed to understand what I'm saying. -The sword is only as sharp as the one who wields it! Other names: Drenzul (WoT, WoW, Lineage 2, WarH, BloodBowl, BSG, SC2 and lots more)-á
CausticS0da Viziam Amarr Empire 18	Posted - 2012.01.04 09:32:00 - [53] - Quote Valei Khurelem wrote: CCP Navigator wrote: Guys and Girls, if you wish to discuss the backstory of EVE in regards to the Amarr and Minmatar then please do so. If I believe that your posts are racist in nature, or point to real world events, you will be off these forums permanently. Here is a rule of thumb before you have to ask, 'What is allowed?', consider for a moment if I will like it. If not, don't post it. Simple. I'm sorry, but this is why having a 12+ rating for EVE and having slavery/sex in the lore you have is a stupid idea. What this says to people is "Yes, we have sex and violence in our games, but no we don't talk about it and we won't allow anyone else to talk about it" this some of the most nonsensical case of political correctness I've ever read and I regularly get news from the BBC, please stop being a bunch of pussies and just give this game an 18+ rating already. Your sales won't fall because children who want to play the game will either lie about their age or get their parents to buy it for them, the only people who care about this thing are people who either don't have children or are parents who are completely incompetent and incapable of raising them. People need to stop running around and pretending they're for freedom of speech and expression and then immediately going back on what they say the moment anyone decides to bring up real issues. Oh and stop censoring swear words you stupid assholes, I know of kids as young as 13 who know exactly what it all means so it just proves it does nothing anyway. *searches for dislike button.
Errubus Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2012.01.25 17:38:00 - [54] - Quote First of all I have to admit I have not read all the chronicles, so I'm basing my views on the Novels and the character description from the game. Well to answer the original question I would say the answer is yes, though it's a complex issue. I was going to start off with discussing Ni-Kunni Capsuleers, but the Ni-Kunni are, for the most part, not considered slaves anymore. As such I'll have to be a bit more theoretical. Since the question is would a Capsuleer be a slave to another Capsuleer I think you can cut that into two separate questions. Would someone willingly remain/become a slave if they were a Capsuleer and can a Capsuleer be forced into slavery? Quote: As a culture Amarr adheres to the basic tenet that what others call slavery is in fact one step on an indentured personGÇÖs spiritual path to fully embracing their faith To the Amarr faith slavery is not an ends, it is a means. Many former slaves have been released and are now influential free member of society. It is used on those that do not embrace the Amarr faith right away. And ofc the children of slaves are born as slaves. If a slave shows the proper faith he or she can be freed. Now a freed slave is ofc no longer a slave and would not count towards the answer if a slave can be a Capsuleer. Still, someone who is on the verge of being freed could be made a Capsuleer. Prime fiction shows most slaves as being either ignorant, drug addict or people desperately holding on waiting for the moment they are free. Ofc other pieces of fiction are just as 'guilty' of raising similar views of slaves. Not all slaves were noble sufferers however. Many were well treated and mostly content. Some quite indoctrinated to believe that they were in fact 'inferior' and deferential to their masters. So in this setting of fiction I am sure there are countless millions of slaves quite content to be slaves or even quite willing to be freed only to serve the Empire as a free person. Now a normal Holder would not quickly make such a willing servant a Capsuleer. After all they could easily outlive them and who knows what could happen in the future. But if said Holder were a Capsuleer then it is conceivable the slave could be made a Capsuleer to be on hand forevermore. Now what eternity might hold in store is another matter entirely. Now the other question is a bit more difficult; can a Capsuleer be forced into slavery. Others have said the Capsuleer can simply bolt and run. There are ways to prevent even a Capsuleer ship from performing certain acts. Though this does require foresight I'm sure a ships navigation computer can be set to disable the warp engines and jumps to certain gates. The same may be applied to ships guns, so they can't fire on ships with a certain transponder signal. Now that wonGÇÖt get someone to act in a way you'd want, it can make them not act in the way you donGÇÖt want. As for just killing yourself to be transferred into a clone that does imply that there is a clone to get back to. It's clearly stated in fiction that if you don't have a pre-prepared clone to jump to when your body dies you will die for real. So if there is no clone there is also no escape. Aside from this, the urge to live is quite strong in every being. To actually commit suicide takes quite a lot and even that can be prevented if you know the other might try this. Now that still doesn't make someone act the way you want them to. Vitoc or similar drugs won't work, since it dulls the mind, the one thing that's so powerful in a Capsuleer. So you'd need to force them in some other way. Threat of force may work if the Capsuleer has no clone to go to and can be made to fear the beatings more then whatever you want them to do. Equally you can hold people dear to the Capsuleer hostage. This would also limit the threat of a Capsuleer jumping clones since doing so would endanger the ones he or she is trying to protect. And there are ways of brainwashing a Capsuleer if Templar One is any proof. Ofc this all takes rather a lot of effort and one can wonder if it's even worth it. But with the proper leverage I'm sure a Capsuleer can be made to do things they would not do of their own volition. So yes a Capsuleer can become a slave to another in my opinion.
Weiland Taur Ceptic Innovations Rebel Alliance of New Eden 19	Posted - 2012.01.28 16:17:00 - [55] - Quote Per the idea of a capsuleer being enslaved, several of the chronicles deal with this idea. One in particular, I would link but that would take away the opportunity for the reader to find their way through some very good fiction, deals with a Minmatar clone tech who deposits Amarr Capsuleers into Slavers, (the hounds). A particularly chilling story. I have wondered if the Incarna expansion would deal with the kidnapping, ransoming and or enslavement of fellow capsuleers? It would be an interesting game play mechanic until it hit the real world news that Eve online was promoting slavery, not the type of press you want especially given the resurgence of slavery in the real life. Not to mention the mass desubs that would follow players waking up in small cells surrounded by sign posts reading, "u mad bro?" Oh, and the Minmatar where not enslaved since the dawn of time. It was only after the Amarr had enslaved their neighbors on their homeworlds that they stumbled onto the Matari society during one of their Reclaimings. The Matari was an advanced society except crippled by two key differences from their attackers, they had failed to reinvent stargate technology and like their real world equivalents their tribal system most likely would have created issues in dealing with a coordinated attack from an autocratic and single minded adversary. We can of course see this advanced nature in the Elder beat down of Amarr before the sudden Dues ex Machina intervention of Empress Samur.
Honnete Du Decimer 17	Posted - 2012.01.28 16:41:00 - [56] - Quote Rose Hips wrote: Q: Would a Minmatar "Capsuleer" ever be a slave of an Amarr Capsuleer? I am feel that OP is talk about fetish thing. Need go look Second Life. They have it there with space ship even. Also if want make it for the game, then they can give full API. You watch all thing. They live one station for you and must trade one ship for other ship with you for do anything. PMS
Elessa Enaka State War Academy Caldari State 57	Posted - 2012.01.28 20:50:00 - [57] - Quote I have always thought that it was odd that the Brutor were the only "black" people in Eve. There is a similar situation with the Ni-Kunni (which if you ask me are obviously supposed to be Egyptians). Every faction has asians, just as every faction has "white" people. There is no need to add new bloodlines or factions, but I do think it would be a good idea to allow a little more variety in complexion among all bloodlines. Rhinanna wrote: Oh and if you think ANY of this is sick, wait till you see World of Darkness. All I have to say there is read about the Sabbat, that make ANYTHING the Amarr have done tame in comparison. When the WOD MMO is released, I will have absolutely no interest in it whatsoever if the Sabbat is not a playable faction. Also, if it is based off of that fail Requiem ****, I will pass entirely. Devour to survive, so it is, so it's always been Eve is a great game if you can get past all of the asshats....
Weiland Taur Ceptic Innovations Rebel Alliance of New Eden 21	Posted - 2012.01.28 22:10:00 - [58] - Quote Elessa Enaka wrote: I have always thought that it was odd that the Brutor were the only "black" people in Eve. There is a similar situation with the Ni-Kunni (which if you ask me are obviously supposed to be Egyptians). Every faction has asians, just as every faction has "white" people. There is no need to add new bloodlines or factions, but I do think it would be a good idea to allow a little more variety in complexion among all bloodlines. Sadly CCP follows the same paradigm that so many science fiction universes do with the "black" peoples being the more robust physically intimidating sort but lacking in the high technology of their tan deficient brethren. Their is a wonderful moment in Clear Skies 2 (I believe) at the end where the one of the guys points out the Maelstrom and comments something along the line of it being what the Matari can make when not running for their lives. It's a nicely worded tribute to the fact that their enslavement was not their destiny or in fact what forged them but a moment that they escaped from. It makes me wonder when CCP will roll out new Matari ships that reflect their post enslavement industrial capabilities.
Roll Sizzle Beef State War Academy Caldari State 6	Posted - 2012.01.28 22:46:00 - [59] - Quote Any capsuleer could be at risk of enslavement in many scenarios. when away from scanning equipment (pod or otherwise) that could scan and fry the current bodies brain to be received at a designated medical station. The risk of permanent death could make them compliant. On the other hand, a hacked or weaponized scanner could fry a capsuleer brain and implant them into a host body of choice, So death would be rewarded with a new body to torture if disloyal. An expensive option. but as a political prisoner, worth it.


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