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Luthien Firefoot Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.05.31 11:42:00 - [1] I woke up today (sort of) and wondered if eve had actually changed, or if it was just my perception of it that had changed? I used to think of it as spaceship, shooty type game. Where combat was conducted in the cold depths of space and fittings, strategy, luck and so were the defining factors. It doesn't feel like that any more, anyone else notice a change in their enjoyment of eve? Please try and be diplomatic, or at least intelligent with the responses, or the thread will be locked. Please do not troll - Kreul Intentions ([email protected])
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.31 11:48:00 - [2] You could have had a pleasant intellectual conversation about the op but you just had to add a smarmy comment. It's a shame really because up to that point i thought it was a decent post Please do not troll using your signature - Kreul Intentions ([email protected])
Gunship Amarr FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.31 11:53:00 - [3] You lost your space, you take a little time to ponder how to do better next time, then you go again. Best of luck. So you want to join us?
Gungankllr Caldari STK Scientific Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.05.31 11:59:00 - [4] Most people play Eve for a year or so before they move on to something else, if I remember the metrics right. For those of us that have been around for a while, yes, Eve has changed tremendously. There has always been forum drama, there has always been super-corps or super-alliances. Personally, I am waiting for Factional Warfare and agent changes to come out, because in the current scheme of things I don't feel as if I can make a difference in anything. I can come on the forums and go a few rounds with somebody, but to what end? Does anybody really care about "winning" an argument on an internet forum? Does that make me enjoy Eve more? Not really. But I digress. One of the things that changed Eve for me, was invention. Prior to invention I knew that if I wanted some cheap thrills I could hop in a Tech I cruiser and go kill people, and only spend about 10-15 mill including my clone. With the introduction of invention, the prices of Tech II ships has bottomed out, which is both good and bad. Whereas before Tech II ships were "uncommon", now they are everywhere. Thus taking out an "el cheapo" ship isn't as feasible anymore, as all you are likely to run into is Tech II ships. Yes, I know the solution is to fly Tech II yourself, but I will always miss the days of Caracal roaming. If only everyone that reads these forums would aim for having fun instead of winning at all costs, we could steer away from the vortex of metagaming suckage that is swallowing Eve. Just my opinion.
Leandra Anor Minmatar Asguard Security Service Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.05.31 12:03:00 - [5] Edited by: Leandra Anor on 31/05/2007 12:05:55 Originally by: Zhalakin @op: you ruined your own thread, toodles ! Not that I disagree with the thought behind your comment.... but did he? He managed to get not one... but 3 BoB replies! @op.... I find I agree with you. But then again, I act as a diplo for my alliance so I deal with words much more often then I would like. I really need to invest more heavily in the f1-f8 diplomacy school of thought.... These things tend to go full cycle in my experience tho, so while there are territory wars at the moment, which means pos warfare then yes.... my enjoyment of it is less than usual. But I have no doubts that the pos warfare will end eventually for a time and it will go back to gank or be ganked as someone else pointed out. Originally by: Darcuese Flash back of memoriesSmile (Long time since i heard music and that female voice) wink there are other female voices in game ya know... ______________________________________________ ~And YES already... I am a RL female gamer!!~
Waagaa Ktlehr Amarr Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.31 12:06:00 - [6] Edited by: Waagaa Ktlehr on 31/05/2007 12:45:58 - edit issue resolved by mods - - -
Speed Burnout Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.31 12:22:00 - [7] A spaceship, shooty type game is something that you play for a few weeks and then get bored and move on to something else. EVE is much more. There is no limit to where you can go here. Both the economy and politics are player driven. The developers go to great lengths to make EVE the type game that requires a team effort to survive. -------------------------------------------- We've secretly replaced their dilithium crystals with new Folgers crystals. Now let's watch them go to warp!
Dalanoria The-Dark-Legion Ground Zeero	Posted - 2007.05.31 12:35:00 - [8] Edited by: Dalanoria on 31/05/2007 12:38:52 I feal yah... I log in and stare at the screen.I cant realy go out pirating with BOB always wondering around the Kahnid region... Maybe this weekend when I can use a pilgrim ill sit cloaked at the gate to A2 and dare myself to enter....

Kreul Intentions Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.05.31 12:45:00 - [9] Keeping a thread open is dependant on posters not going off-topic or trolling a topic to the point of derailment. In the future please try not to troll in the very first post and regardless of who posts, your thread will remain open. Thank you. forum rules \| [email protected]

Nimbu Gallente J.I.T. Enterprises	Posted - 2007.05.31 12:51:00 - [10] Its wierd having been playing for nearly 4 years now I dont get the enjoyment I used to from the game. Coupled with a stressfull RL situation for last year I find it more and more difficult to log in and even when I do I end up doing nothing. EvE has sort of become a form of MSN where I can chat to my online friends. There seems to be no excitement left or nothing "new" to do. 99% of the above is said in RP. The Other 1% is personal, and should be taken that way. :P

Katharina Gorbacheva Amarr Soviet Star Federation Celestial Frontier	Posted - 2007.05.31 13:21:00 - [11] Originally by: Luthien Firefoot I woke up today (sort of) and wondered if eve had actually changed.... A computer game is the first thing you think of when you wake up? Sad. Get a life. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Kinsy Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.05.31 13:27:00 - [12] It used to be fun. It still is, but the lengths you have to go for the fun require you to give up far too much to be worth it. There you go, i summed it up for you.
Gneeznow Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.05.31 13:53:00 - [13] Originally by: Kinsy It used to be fun. It still is, but the lengths you have to go for the fun require you to give up far too much to be worth it. There you go, i summed it up for you. I agree, and to make it all worse over the last few months it has turned from eve-online into insults-online
Plaetean coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.05.31 13:58:00 - [14] Originally by: Kinsy It used to be fun. It still is, but the lengths you have to go for the fun require you to give up far too much to be worth it. There you go, i summed it up for you. Very correct. People are more interested in winning eve than enjoying it, turns the game into work. -----
Talen Reaper O.R.C. Outrage Compliant Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.31 14:45:00 - [15] personally eve has lost a lot of its luster ..I have never been a big fan of its lock & load combat system being from Freelancer & its open dogfighting style of play... But eve is a beautiful game the thing is that there seems to be a lack of things to do ...after 4 yrs you would think ccp would have added more in the way of missions ..exploration ...kinda liking the invention idea but there should be more things to do .. ccp has ruined the game for many with the seeming never ending scandals I have lost many long time friends Du to this .... Not all players like complete chaos and that is what 00 has become gone are the days of players feeling that they can have an impact in battle as the caps rule the Sky's ..I know that many will disagree but the lag fest that eve warfare & the seaming endless pos spam battles really are not that much fun at least for me . I generally go and play most of the new mmo`s that come out have left eve for wow,DDO vanguard & now am playing LOTR but I still maintain my 3 accounts ..as most mmo`s are just a rehash of each other .. I would say that the saving grace of eve is the skills system the offline training of skills is prob the only thing that keeps me around as I can go and play some thing new & return to eve a month or so later & my new abilities make the game somewhat interesting again ..
fightnkill Dark Blade Incorporated	Posted - 2007.05.31 15:35:00 - [16] Edited by: fightnkill on 31/05/2007 15:38:15 Basically, whoever has most "I Win Button" (Titan DD) wins. And because of that, only few individuals who owns Titan + people benefitting from the DD gets all the fun. For the rest however, the game is becoming less enjoyable. Which then concludes me to the point that some/many of us Non-Titan pilots believe 12.95/month is starting to becoming a bit pricey Yes I admit the Graphics for Eves are awesome, But the Game is starting to become more unplayable for us new generation players. For example, Massive Lag, Corruption, Overpowered Supercapitals.
Chowdown Gallente Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.31 15:41:00 - [17] I am having so much fun Your signature has been reomved, please email us with a link to your signature for clarification - Kreul Intentions ([email protected])
bloomich Trotter's Independent Traders Co	Posted - 2007.05.31 15:45:00 - [18] Originally by: fightnkill Edited by: fightnkill on 31/05/2007 15:38:15 Basically, whoever has most "I Win Button" (Titan DD) wins. And because of that, only few individuals who owns Titan + people benefitting from the DD gets all the fun. For the rest however, the game is becoming less enjoyable. Which then concludes me to the point that some/many of us Non-Titan pilots believe 12.95/month is starting to becoming a bit pricey Yes I admit the Graphics for Eves are awesome, But the Game is starting to become more unplayable for us new generation players. For example, Massive Lag, Corruption, Overpowered Supercapitals. Then avoid Conqurable space. Conquarable space is for empires to be formed. There is plenty NPC 0.0 regions and low sec to play in. And empire wars as well. What exactly is it in conqurable space that you want that you cannot get anyware else?
fightnkill Dark Blade Incorporated	Posted - 2007.05.31 15:46:00 - [19] Originally by: Chowdown I am having so much fun I can tell 1. DD Button 2. BOOM 3. 1 Excited player with 70 killmails 4. 70 angry players with each having a lossmail.
Silmas Gallente hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.05.31 15:46:00 - [20] I agree, EVE has lost its fun. And it has not 'just happened'. Many different incidents - which could have been done/directed otherwise by CCP - have changed this game to support griefing, metagaming, powergaming and long list of other characteristics that do not fit into a 'fun game'. The alliance politics and alliance warfare is not fun anymore, the POS wars nor the fleet battles are not fun anymore. We all know why - wrong decisions by developers.

fightnkill Dark Blade Incorporated	Posted - 2007.05.31 15:54:00 - [21] basically it's Human nature it sucks when your losing it's always fun when your winning But if ur losing because the other side is cheating, it sucks even more
Grim Faust Kinetic Vector Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.31 16:03:00 - [22] I wouldn't be surprised if the game started to take a turn for the worse soon. Not a lot of people like to login to a game where everything is controlled by one entity, and we all know that is a probable possibility. It will be interesting to see the state of this game in 6-12 months. __________________________________________________ I survived CCP eating all my sigs and all I got was a crappy colorful moderator message...
SwindonBadger 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.05.31 16:06:00 - [23] Originally by: Kinsy It used to be fun. It still is, but the lengths you have to go for the fun require you to give up far too much to be worth it. There you go, i summed it up for you. agread on the It still is part. .....mainly wanted to say what a loverly sig u still have. Good fights are still out there!
bloomich Trotter's Independent Traders Co	Posted - 2007.05.31 16:07:00 - [24] Originally by: Grim Faust I wouldn't be surprised if the game started to take a turn for the worse soon. Not a lot of people like to login to a game where everything is controlled by one entity, and we all know that is a probable possibility. It will be interesting to see the state of this game in 6-12 months. Sorry, I dont understand. There is plenty of NPC 0.0, Plenty of Low sec as well. The conqurable parts of the universe also exist, but people have to fight their ass off to get it, then spend a lot of patience maintaning it. So what exactly is it that you want? CCP to remove all conqurable space and turn it into NPC 0.0? Whats wrong with existin NPC 0.0 or low sec at the moment?
Rexthor Hammerfists Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.31 16:08:00 - [25] bob doesnt really have a history of making peace everywhere, now - do we. so dont you worry, im sure molle and the gang have a good plan in place to keep us all entertained, especially us ;) - Purple Conquered The World, We the Universe.
DeadWeight Minmatar Botox Bandits	Posted - 2007.05.31 16:10:00 - [26] So I bought a Motorola SLVR about a year ago, and was really happy with it. I was, until a month ago happy with it. What happened is that a co-worker who has the phone as well started pointing out all these flaws that bothered him. Up to that point, I had never noticed them. Now that I know about the flaws, they bother me all the time. The events of last week brought back buried memories of grid exploits, warp/cancel warp and so much other crap that certain people did with impunity and GMs did nothing to stop. So yeah I long accepted that such things were part of EvE and forgot about them, but every now and then they get stirred up again. Don't worry it will be but a few weeks before we are all drinking the kool-aid again.
Grim Faust Kinetic Vector Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.31 16:12:00 - [27] Originally by: bloomich Originally by: Grim Faust I wouldn't be surprised if the game started to take a turn for the worse soon. Not a lot of people like to login to a game where everything is controlled by one entity, and we all know that is a probable possibility. It will be interesting to see the state of this game in 6-12 months. Sorry, I dont understand. There is plenty of NPC 0.0, Plenty of Low sec as well. The conqurable parts of the universe also exist, but people have to fight their ass off to get it, then spend a lot of patience maintaning it. So what exactly is it that you want? CCP to remove all conqurable space and turn it into NPC 0.0? Whats wrong with existin NPC 0.0 or low sec at the moment? You like to assume one hell of a lot for what little I said. You obviously don't understand. __________________________________________________ I survived CCP eating all my sigs and all I got was a crappy colorful moderator message...
Aypse Convergent Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.05.31 16:12:00 - [28] Yes, I agree, my enjoyment of Eve has changed over time. I find myself enjoying more and more. When I first started it was a pretty simple shooty-shooty and NPC-grind game. Now, I am or have been involved in small to large gang warfare, fleet combat, POS battles, trading, market manipulation, suicide ganking, rig construction, invention, universe-wide combat, forum posting, small-gang leading, 0.0 market supplying, pirating, solo hunting, etc. etc. etc. I fly small small ships, large ships, industrials, T1 and T2, specialized and general purpose ships. The variety is great and gets better all the time as my skills improve and new ships are added/changed. Even the forum drama provides entertainment. I still have faith in CCP and see the drama (BoB bias, BoB cheating, GM cheating, ISD rigging, etc.) as allegations without even a small amount of proof to back them. They have no effect on me, other than a few laughs. If Eve is becoming frustrating to you, take a break. Either from the entire game, or from what you are doing in the game. Cyas around o/ Originally by: Oveur Eve is primarily a PVP game and hence our focus is on making that experience balanced.
Orree Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.05.31 17:04:00 - [29] I've been playing the game for quite a while now and I still find enough enjoyment (mostly out of the comradery I share with my in-game friends) to keep playing. I have lived in 0.0 just about all of my time playing EVE. It's the life I like best. I use hi-sec for shopping and occasional forays in support of formally declared wars. My combat main has done a little mercenary work in hi-sec. That can be kind of fun. I like the politics and warfare of 0.0, however my enjoyment for that has decreased with the advent of POS warfare and super capitals. Even POS warfare I could live with, it was boring, but it had its place and every pilot (regardless of ship) had a bigger job to do than they do now. Now most are just Doomsday Device fodder. The advent of super capitals, specifically the titan has just marginalized the have-nots way too much to keep alliance warfare as fun as it used to be. Motherships are bad, but not quite as bad. The deciding factor now seems to be who has the most titans and motherships (something only a very few people get to enjoy). In my opinion, neither of these vessels was needed to advance gameplay in EVE. The "addiction" I had to playing EVE is gone. I can take it or leave it, whereas before I really spent quite a lot of time playing and hated when I couldn't be online advancing myself or my corp. When I'm away from the game, I mainly just miss my online friends and the hilarity of our TeamSpeak server. As I mentioned earlier. There are still lots of things I enjoy about playing EVE. Smaller gang combat is still quite fun. Every once in a while you get a very fun large fleet fight. These things help sustain you for a while. Then the futility of 0.0 warfare begins to drag me back down. The big picture of 0.0 politics and warfare is a big part of my enjoyment and that's a bit borked right now, in my humble opinion.
Thundirr Amarr Mercurialis Inc. Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.05.31 17:14:00 - [30] Originally by: Aypse Even the forum drama provides entertainment. I still have faith in CCP and see the drama (BoB bias, BoB cheating, GM cheating, ISD rigging, etc.) as allegations without even a small amount of proof to back them. They have no effect on me, other than a few laughs. If Eve is becoming frustrating to you, take a break. Either from the entire game, or from what you are doing in the game. Cyas around o/ About the BoB bias, BoB cheating stuff I think the problem is the perspective. You being on one side of the situation from others allows you to be more posistive about things then the people on the other side of it who see any impropriety as cause for unrest. But I do think CCP has realized that they have to be Transparent in how they handle problems, and (being positive) I think they are working to prevent future problems. But I do agree with many of you about looking for other things that you find exciting, and if you are facing burn out or unhappiness with the game. Take a break, train a long skill and go on an EVE vacation. I have taken 2 such breaks from EVE; both allowed me to come back to the game and find something new and interesting. I changed my personal perspective of what I expected and wanted in the EVE world. If things are making you miserable, change them. If you hate what your doing, no one is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to do it so Change your perspective of it. If your fed up with mission running. Take a break and start working the markets. For many people who have dabbled in a bit of everything and are getting tired. Keep in mind. REV2.0 is coming out soon(tm) and with it there will be a sizable change in the way combat in 0.0 works. I say if your getting to the point where you dont like playing. Take a vacation. AFK skill training is fine (thats how i got BS 5 and Torp 5 before capital ships came out) dont let youself get so far down the path of dislike that when you leave you dont come back. With best regards. Thundirr Out.

Major Stormer Caldari Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.05.31 17:15:00 - [31] Originally by: Kinsy It used to be fun. It still is, but the lengths you have to go for the fun require you to give up far too much to be worth it. There you go, i summed it up for you. <3 Kinsy Its just a game. Get over yourselfs.
Goberth Ludwig eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.05.31 17:48:00 - [32] /me applies the official Emo badge to the thread - Gob Now with 20% extra emo!
Rhaegor Stormborn Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e	Posted - 2007.05.31 17:58:00 - [33] No one ever said losing is fun.
Aerick Dawn Gallente The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.05.31 18:21:00 - [34] titan's being stuck for 10 mins straight on test server after DD. :) ______________________ If I'm in a fair fight, i've done something terribly wrong.
Megadon Caldari Deathshead Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.31 18:42:00 - [35] The name "IRON" has always been a bit of a conundrum for me. How can you have an "Imperial" "Republic"? You can't. Other than that. Eve is a sandbox. You can do anything you want. There's a lot more to it than combat. If you get bored. Go do something else. --------------
Mahrin Skel Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.05.31 20:41:00 - [36] I had a post written, but after 6 rewrites it was still smack. Seems I can't get over 4 months of IRON smack in ED- local. What can I say, I feel for you, but I can't quite reach you. Battles are fought in space, wars are won in the hearts and minds of the combatants. IRON won most of the battles against FIX and the Alliance, except for the ones that counted. That's fun right up until it isn't. Next time, choose better battles. And better allies. --Dave
Itzena Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.05.31 22:02:00 - [37] Shouldn't you be on F13 defending BoB by telling people that CCP are Icelandic, Dave? -- Nothing will improve the way things currently are.
Fhaz	Posted - 2007.05.31 22:06:00 - [38] Originally by: Megadon The name "IRON" has always been a bit of a conundrum for me. How can you have an "Imperial" "Republic"? You can't. wasn't rome a empire? it was also a republic.
Sir Lolle Amarr Band of Brolols	Posted - 2007.05.31 22:14:00 - [39] Originally by: Fhaz Originally by: Megadon The name "IRON" has always been a bit of a conundrum for me. How can you have an "Imperial" "Republic"? You can't. wasn't rome a empire? it was also a republic. Never at the same time, although it is possible to have an imperial republic just like it's possible to have a democratic republic Sig removed. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] with a link to your signature. - Elmo Pug
ishkabibble Gallente Black Avatar Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.06.01 03:12:00 - [40] Originally by: Gungankllr Most people play Eve for a year or so before they move on to something else, if I remember the metrics right. Thats the metric system, in the american system it usually adds up to 18 months You can't fix "Stupid" - Comedian Ron White

Emrod Legion Du Lys GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.06.01 04:12:00 - [41] Originally by: Luthien Firefoot Please try and be diplomatic, or at least intelligent with the responses, or the thread will be locked. You ask too many hard thing in this CAOD forum...... I sell some logoff t2 module,improved forum flamming tachyon beam and Bob Lag generator faction item, contact me ingame for more info :P
U'puauht Minmatar Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.06.01 05:47:00 - [42] Actually, I found EVE to be most fun if you just stay the bloody hell away from 0.0 politics ... [b]and the forums![/u] Especially the latter are where all the vitriol, smack and other less enjoyable parts of the game are shoved in your face. You wouldn't dive head-first into the toilet, but people still come back to the forums... (Ironically enough, I'm posting here despite my better knowledge .. thank you, boss, for making me aware of this thread and geting me to read here! ) ____________________ Wood-legged, eye-patched, parrot-on-the-shoulder Priest of The Church
Rahvin Damodred The White Star Consortium	Posted - 2007.06.01 07:33:00 - [43] Yes Eve changed , also perceptions change at the same time. All in all i think it's improving and for me Eve is a getting even more and more fun to play then in the beginning. How? simply by staying away from the COAD forums mostly, all it does mostly is having a negative influence on your perception of the game.
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.06.01 07:49:00 - [44] Originally by: Aerick Dawn titan's being stuck for 10 mins straight on test server after DD. :) Are you serious? signature removed - please contact us to find out why (include the URL of your sig) - Jacques([email protected])
Kerosene Caldari Fun Inc Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.06.01 08:14:00 - [45] The trick is to get away from the rat race. Bigger doesn't always equal more fun. My corp was formed entirely to get away from the metagaming, spying, exploiting, forum abusing, titan-DD spamming, POS shield staring and gate camping that has turned the game into such hard work for a lot of people We just live in Syndicate with NPC stations for a base and go off shooting whoever we feel like. We're not forced to defend our space unless we think it would be fun to. That for me is where the fun in the game lies. Through having the choice to do anything you want rather than being arbitrarily told by some sweaty palmed jobless oik that you've got to spend a week camping a chokepoint. Kero __ The way to stop isk farmers is to STOP BUYING ISK. Xelas recruitment ad in my bio (nerf mods sense of satire ffs)
Sean Dillon Caldari Naughty 40	Posted - 2007.06.01 08:14:00 - [46] The sky has fallen for alot of people the last few years, but in the end it all remains the same. You lost you stations? so what? you join a new corp that lives in space and get to enjoy it all over again. And in a couple months the sky might fall again.
Qual Gallente Cornexant Research	Posted - 2007.06.01 08:31:00 - [47] Whenever I get bored of the game, or feel that its no longer fun, I quit. Quit, as in stop playing. Funny thing is that it usually only lasts a few weeks, them im back, seeing new oppotunities, and not all the limits that annoyed me when I quit. Quitting really helps. Try it. Sure, a few never gets back, but most people I know who have quit (after playing for more than a year) have come back again soon after. SO my advice: Take a break and enjoy life. You might be back sooner tha you expected. "The short version: Qual is right." -Papa Smurf
Fitz Chivalry eXceed Inc.	Posted - 2007.06.01 08:38:00 - [48] Originally by: Kinsy It used to be fun. It still is, but the lengths you have to go for the fun require you to give up far too much to be worth it. There you go, i summed it up for you. QFT. This was my problem with eve and why I took a break (and am still not really back like I was and am slowly divesting myself of accounts down to a couple of main mains). You could easily spend a couple of hours trying to find a decent moderately fair fight, then when you do the other side go and jump 4 carriers on top of you, just so they can "win". EvE is all about "getting the win" and not about the fun of playing. I have my own views (probably shared by the majority) as to where this win at all costs mentality has come from, though capitals and in particular super capitals have a very large part to play in what has gone wrong with EvE. This is why this weekend we are going for some old skool roaming, nothing bigger than a cruiser allowed (thuogh no doubt we will end up getting chased around by a 60 man BS gang with titans and carriers as back up)
Khayman33 Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.06.01 09:48:00 - [49] I think Eve is just more difficult for those want to push the game in their border. In any games i have play , i saw a teamplay like this. You need organisation , Leaders , and lot of Brain and time to accomplished something great in Eve. It's more than a game it's like a hobby :) Or you can play the thing easily , roaming corp to make lot of pew pew , or simply play in empire and make your life. Lot of aspect are in Eve to enjoy the game experience. It's sure at least for me and lot of others , that since few months the game is less fun cause of something broken with titan and poswarfare and the most part of this the lag ... Supercapitals are not a bad thing but DDs damage and invulnerability of Supercapitals is broken but it will be change like all new change brought to Eve which unbalance or give less fun that before .
Ackaroth Gallente Plundering Penguins	Posted - 2007.06.01 09:58:00 - [50] I too am going through such a dry spell. I have taken two or three breaks from EVE, but it always sucks me back in, so I think that is the key. The last time it was that I was tired of being such a invisible entity in a large alliance. Went to lowsec, started my own corp, and EVE became extremely fun again. RL has pushed it to backburner in the past few weeks tho, and I am heavily considering throwing on the jump drive calibration skills and taking my own little vacation. ______________________________________________ Plundering Penguins is going mercenary. Contact Ackaroth for services.

Adm Tecumseh Caldari The Templars Knights	Posted - 2007.06.01 10:12:00 - [51] How could this thread not get locked? It has nothing to do with the coad. At the very least it should have been moved.
LeviUK hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.06.01 10:15:00 - [52] Edited by: LeviUK on 01/06/2007 10:15:29 In my own view, the enjoyment level in EvE started sliding as soon as POSes were introduced. My own personal preference in terms of play-style in this game is with roaming gangs but it seems almost as if that is being (or has already been) phased out in favour of POS and Capital Warfare. It's becoming more and more about who has the most caps (or indeed supercaps) which certainly appeals to many but I, for one, would gladly give up the Dread/Carrier I fly to return to a time when such things didn't exist. Nowadays I'm going through the motions.. I log in every now and then (in the absence of any other decent online games) but I don't think I've truly enjoyed eve for over a year. For me, EvE has lost a lot of it's original appeal. I'm fairly sure I'm not alone there and when 'the next big thing' in online gaming goes live, I can imagine a large amount of the playerbase moving on. edited - the inevitable bad typing
Wierd Beard Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.06.01 10:34:00 - [53] Edited by: Wierd Beard on 01/06/2007 10:34:16 Somewhere out there, there is a kid who just ante'd up his first 15 bux. He's struggling through the Auto-trainer. He's slowly but surely understanding that mining sucks. He talks to a few buddies, and they ante up. They start a corp and start figuring out how the game works. They save up for their first BPOs and maybe one starts up an industrial alt to build for the corp. As their confidense grows, they dip their toe into the dreaded "low sec" areas and get their collective booties handed to them. They get mad. They build combat ships and learn how to lose them. Slowly but surely they start learning how to win. And in the process they meet all sorts of bizarre new people from all over the R/L world. Thats what brought me to EvE and made me love it. Those experiences are still in the game for those who want to seek them out. What we're angry and burnt out over is our own need for drama. We love scandal, we love tabloids. We want to believe the most fantastic before we're willing to look at the plauseable. Don't get me wrong. I'm just as bad as anyone. I've been following the story w/ bated breath and have discussed it w/ ingame and outofgame friends alike. Somewhere down the line, the drama became more important than the game. And, while entertaining to read while at work, it's really starting to harm the game, rather than make it more interesting. And the onus on that lies squarely on our shoulders. We're ruining the game. And only we can turn it back around. edited for speeling
Arenis Xemdal Amarr Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.01 10:34:00 - [54] Originally by: Kinsy It used to be fun. It still is, but the lengths you have to go for the fun require you to give up far too much to be worth it. There you go, i summed it up for you. For Celestial Apocalypse, the big endgame alliance politics/fleet battles/sieges/invasions were never worth it. This is long before starbases and capitalships were ever ingame. Making that comment is very meaningless, since the only time Celest might have been considered at the endgame of anything was when the golden age of piracy was more than a footnote in EVE's history. In the end, the same corporations that take it to the highest levels are still doing it. And the same corporations that shy away from them still do. EVE hasn't changed one bit.
DiNoer DFCK Inc.	Posted - 2007.06.01 11:00:00 - [55] Edited by: DiNoer on 01/06/2007 11:12:16 EVE has evolved to a state where gang < blob < Super cap blob is the norm. Kinda the basis of the grand fleet battles we seen. Neat, tho... Getting the ISK to afford a fleet ship takes time. Getting the ship to the marshaling point, more time. Forming a blob always takes time once again. Getting a blob anywhere takes time, time, time. Waiting for the enemy blob to commit takes wait; time. Once the FC's finally find their cohones and the shooty starts, it's all about keeping your head cool for X-[Lack of courage] minutes, following the target calls.. badabing badabum. Take hits, warp in'n'out if you can, loot the field. Return to base. Add the mandatory forum/TS-whoring. Now at this point you prolly invested about 3+ hours in which you could seen a flick, meet your mates for few rounds of pool, broken a new record in Tetris and met your new future Ex. FFS! The time economics of the pure Fun-factor is just not there anymore. EVE is no longer an enjoyment, hell I had jobs that are more fun than this. What I really miss is the small raider gang fun in 0.0, just ROFL-gangs of tactical fast fights and pure ***'s, Kick's n Giggels roaming. 0.0 is almost totally devoid of it. Take sovereignty space battles for example. The biggest, by far, killjoy of them all. It's way too mechanical and 'simply' decided. (Prolly a better way to desrcribe it). And I'm not saying it's McBOB's fault; heck I bet you they are prolly as bored with this as the most of us! La prospTritT de l'Gme libre. La prospTritT de la fTdTration*
TrippyX Caldari The Syndicate Inc DeStInY.	Posted - 2007.06.01 11:51:00 - [56] Originally by: Malachon Draco Originally by: Aerick Dawn titan's being stuck for 10 mins straight on test server after DD. :) Are you serious? does it matter to IVC? you dont have one... or do you? EVE was more fun before POS's and Capitals were introduced.


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