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Luthien Firefoot Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.05.31 11:42:00 - [1] I woke up today (sort of) and wondered if eve had actually changed, or if it was just my perception of it that had changed? I used to think of it as spaceship, shooty type game. Where combat was conducted in the cold depths of space and fittings, strategy, luck and so were the defining factors. It doesn't feel like that any more, anyone else notice a change in their enjoyment of eve? Please try and be diplomatic, or at least intelligent with the responses, or the thread will be locked. Please do not troll - Kreul Intentions ([email protected])
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.31 11:48:00 - [2] You could have had a pleasant intellectual conversation about the op but you just had to add a smarmy comment. It's a shame really because up to that point i thought it was a decent post Please do not troll using your signature - Kreul Intentions ([email protected])
Gunship Amarr FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.31 11:53:00 - [3] You lost your space, you take a little time to ponder how to do better next time, then you go again. Best of luck. So you want to join us?
Gungankllr Caldari STK Scientific Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.05.31 11:59:00 - [4] Most people play Eve for a year or so before they move on to something else, if I remember the metrics right. For those of us that have been around for a while, yes, Eve has changed tremendously. There has always been forum drama, there has always been super-corps or super-alliances. Personally, I am waiting for Factional Warfare and agent changes to come out, because in the current scheme of things I don't feel as if I can make a difference in anything. I can come on the forums and go a few rounds with somebody, but to what end? Does anybody really care about "winning" an argument on an internet forum? Does that make me enjoy Eve more? Not really. But I digress. One of the things that changed Eve for me, was invention. Prior to invention I knew that if I wanted some cheap thrills I could hop in a Tech I cruiser and go kill people, and only spend about 10-15 mill including my clone. With the introduction of invention, the prices of Tech II ships has bottomed out, which is both good and bad. Whereas before Tech II ships were "uncommon", now they are everywhere. Thus taking out an "el cheapo" ship isn't as feasible anymore, as all you are likely to run into is Tech II ships. Yes, I know the solution is to fly Tech II yourself, but I will always miss the days of Caracal roaming. If only everyone that reads these forums would aim for having fun instead of winning at all costs, we could steer away from the vortex of metagaming suckage that is swallowing Eve. Just my opinion.
Leandra Anor Minmatar Asguard Security Service Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.05.31 12:03:00 - [5] Edited by: Leandra Anor on 31/05/2007 12:05:55 Originally by: Zhalakin @op: you ruined your own thread, toodles ! Not that I disagree with the thought behind your comment.... but did he? He managed to get not one... but 3 BoB replies! @op.... I find I agree with you. But then again, I act as a diplo for my alliance so I deal with words much more often then I would like. I really need to invest more heavily in the f1-f8 diplomacy school of thought.... These things tend to go full cycle in my experience tho, so while there are territory wars at the moment, which means pos warfare then yes.... my enjoyment of it is less than usual. But I have no doubts that the pos warfare will end eventually for a time and it will go back to gank or be ganked as someone else pointed out. Originally by: Darcuese Flash back of memoriesSmile (Long time since i heard music and that female voice) wink there are other female voices in game ya know... ______________________________________________ ~And YES already... I am a RL female gamer!!~
Waagaa Ktlehr Amarr Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.31 12:06:00 - [6] Edited by: Waagaa Ktlehr on 31/05/2007 12:45:58 - edit issue resolved by mods - - -
Speed Burnout Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.31 12:22:00 - [7] A spaceship, shooty type game is something that you play for a few weeks and then get bored and move on to something else. EVE is much more. There is no limit to where you can go here. Both the economy and politics are player driven. The developers go to great lengths to make EVE the type game that requires a team effort to survive. -------------------------------------------- We've secretly replaced their dilithium crystals with new Folgers crystals. Now let's watch them go to warp!
Dalanoria The-Dark-Legion Ground Zeero	Posted - 2007.05.31 12:35:00 - [8] Edited by: Dalanoria on 31/05/2007 12:38:52 I feal yah... I log in and stare at the screen.I cant realy go out pirating with BOB always wondering around the Kahnid region... Maybe this weekend when I can use a pilgrim ill sit cloaked at the gate to A2 and dare myself to enter....

Kreul Intentions Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.05.31 12:45:00 - [9] Keeping a thread open is dependant on posters not going off-topic or trolling a topic to the point of derailment. In the future please try not to troll in the very first post and regardless of who posts, your thread will remain open. Thank you. forum rules \| [email protected]

Nimbu Gallente J.I.T. Enterprises	Posted - 2007.05.31 12:51:00 - [10] Its wierd having been playing for nearly 4 years now I dont get the enjoyment I used to from the game. Coupled with a stressfull RL situation for last year I find it more and more difficult to log in and even when I do I end up doing nothing. EvE has sort of become a form of MSN where I can chat to my online friends. There seems to be no excitement left or nothing "new" to do. 99% of the above is said in RP. The Other 1% is personal, and should be taken that way. :P

Katharina Gorbacheva Amarr Soviet Star Federation Celestial Frontier	Posted - 2007.05.31 13:21:00 - [11] Originally by: Luthien Firefoot I woke up today (sort of) and wondered if eve had actually changed.... A computer game is the first thing you think of when you wake up? Sad. Get a life. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Kinsy Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.05.31 13:27:00 - [12] It used to be fun. It still is, but the lengths you have to go for the fun require you to give up far too much to be worth it. There you go, i summed it up for you.
Gneeznow Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.05.31 13:53:00 - [13] Originally by: Kinsy It used to be fun. It still is, but the lengths you have to go for the fun require you to give up far too much to be worth it. There you go, i summed it up for you. I agree, and to make it all worse over the last few months it has turned from eve-online into insults-online
Plaetean coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.05.31 13:58:00 - [14] Originally by: Kinsy It used to be fun. It still is, but the lengths you have to go for the fun require you to give up far too much to be worth it. There you go, i summed it up for you. Very correct. People are more interested in winning eve than enjoying it, turns the game into work. -----
Talen Reaper O.R.C. Outrage Compliant Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.31 14:45:00 - [15] personally eve has lost a lot of its luster ..I have never been a big fan of its lock & load combat system being from Freelancer & its open dogfighting style of play... But eve is a beautiful game the thing is that there seems to be a lack of things to do ...after 4 yrs you would think ccp would have added more in the way of missions ..exploration ...kinda liking the invention idea but there should be more things to do .. ccp has ruined the game for many with the seeming never ending scandals I have lost many long time friends Du to this .... Not all players like complete chaos and that is what 00 has become gone are the days of players feeling that they can have an impact in battle as the caps rule the Sky's ..I know that many will disagree but the lag fest that eve warfare & the seaming endless pos spam battles really are not that much fun at least for me . I generally go and play most of the new mmo`s that come out have left eve for wow,DDO vanguard & now am playing LOTR but I still maintain my 3 accounts ..as most mmo`s are just a rehash of each other .. I would say that the saving grace of eve is the skills system the offline training of skills is prob the only thing that keeps me around as I can go and play some thing new & return to eve a month or so later & my new abilities make the game somewhat interesting again ..
fightnkill Dark Blade Incorporated	Posted - 2007.05.31 15:35:00 - [16] Edited by: fightnkill on 31/05/2007 15:38:15 Basically, whoever has most "I Win Button" (Titan DD) wins. And because of that, only few individuals who owns Titan + people benefitting from the DD gets all the fun. For the rest however, the game is becoming less enjoyable. Which then concludes me to the point that some/many of us Non-Titan pilots believe 12.95/month is starting to becoming a bit pricey Yes I admit the Graphics for Eves are awesome, But the Game is starting to become more unplayable for us new generation players. For example, Massive Lag, Corruption, Overpowered Supercapitals.
Chowdown Gallente Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.31 15:41:00 - [17] I am having so much fun Your signature has been reomved, please email us with a link to your signature for clarification - Kreul Intentions ([email protected])
bloomich Trotter's Independent Traders Co	Posted - 2007.05.31 15:45:00 - [18] Originally by: fightnkill Edited by: fightnkill on 31/05/2007 15:38:15 Basically, whoever has most "I Win Button" (Titan DD) wins. And because of that, only few individuals who owns Titan + people benefitting from the DD gets all the fun. For the rest however, the game is becoming less enjoyable. Which then concludes me to the point that some/many of us Non-Titan pilots believe 12.95/month is starting to becoming a bit pricey Yes I admit the Graphics for Eves are awesome, But the Game is starting to become more unplayable for us new generation players. For example, Massive Lag, Corruption, Overpowered Supercapitals. Then avoid Conqurable space. Conquarable space is for empires to be formed. There is plenty NPC 0.0 regions and low sec to play in. And empire wars as well. What exactly is it in conqurable space that you want that you cannot get anyware else?
fightnkill Dark Blade Incorporated	Posted - 2007.05.31 15:46:00 - [19] Originally by: Chowdown I am having so much fun I can tell 1. DD Button 2. BOOM 3. 1 Excited player with 70 killmails 4. 70 angry players with each having a lossmail.
Silmas Gallente hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.05.31 15:46:00 - [20] I agree, EVE has lost its fun. And it has not 'just happened'. Many different incidents - which could have been done/directed otherwise by CCP - have changed this game to support griefing, metagaming, powergaming and long list of other characteristics that do not fit into a 'fun game'. The alliance politics and alliance warfare is not fun anymore, the POS wars nor the fleet battles are not fun anymore. We all know why - wrong decisions by developers.

fightnkill Dark Blade Incorporated	Posted - 2007.05.31 15:54:00 - [21] basically it's Human nature it sucks when your losing it's always fun when your winning But if ur losing because the other side is cheating, it sucks even more
Grim Faust Kinetic Vector Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.31 16:03:00 - [22] I wouldn't be surprised if the game started to take a turn for the worse soon. Not a lot of people like to login to a game where everything is controlled by one entity, and we all know that is a probable possibility. It will be interesting to see the state of this game in 6-12 months. __________________________________________________ I survived CCP eating all my sigs and all I got was a crappy colorful moderator message...
SwindonBadger 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.05.31 16:06:00 - [23] Originally by: Kinsy It used to be fun. It still is, but the lengths you have to go for the fun require you to give up far too much to be worth it. There you go, i summed it up for you. agread on the It still is part. .....mainly wanted to say what a loverly sig u still have. Good fights are still out there!
bloomich Trotter's Independent Traders Co	Posted - 2007.05.31 16:07:00 - [24] Originally by: Grim Faust I wouldn't be surprised if the game started to take a turn for the worse soon. Not a lot of people like to login to a game where everything is controlled by one entity, and we all know that is a probable possibility. It will be interesting to see the state of this game in 6-12 months. Sorry, I dont understand. There is plenty of NPC 0.0, Plenty of Low sec as well. The conqurable parts of the universe also exist, but people have to fight their ass off to get it, then spend a lot of patience maintaning it. So what exactly is it that you want? CCP to remove all conqurable space and turn it into NPC 0.0? Whats wrong with existin NPC 0.0 or low sec at the moment?
Rexthor Hammerfists Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.31 16:08:00 - [25] bob doesnt really have a history of making peace everywhere, now - do we. so dont you worry, im sure molle and the gang have a good plan in place to keep us all entertained, especially us ;) - Purple Conquered The World, We the Universe.
DeadWeight Minmatar Botox Bandits	Posted - 2007.05.31 16:10:00 - [26] So I bought a Motorola SLVR about a year ago, and was really happy with it. I was, until a month ago happy with it. What happened is that a co-worker who has the phone as well started pointing out all these flaws that bothered him. Up to that point, I had never noticed them. Now that I know about the flaws, they bother me all the time. The events of last week brought back buried memories of grid exploits, warp/cancel warp and so much other crap that certain people did with impunity and GMs did nothing to stop. So yeah I long accepted that such things were part of EvE and forgot about them, but every now and then they get stirred up again. Don't worry it will be but a few weeks before we are all drinking the kool-aid again.
Grim Faust Kinetic Vector Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.31 16:12:00 - [27] Originally by: bloomich Originally by: Grim Faust I wouldn't be surprised if the game started to take a turn for the worse soon. Not a lot of people like to login to a game where everything is controlled by one entity, and we all know that is a probable possibility. It will be interesting to see the state of this game in 6-12 months. Sorry, I dont understand. There is plenty of NPC 0.0, Plenty of Low sec as well. The conqurable parts of the universe also exist, but people have to fight their ass off to get it, then spend a lot of patience maintaning it. So what exactly is it that you want? CCP to remove all conqurable space and turn it into NPC 0.0? Whats wrong with existin NPC 0.0 or low sec at the moment? You like to assume one hell of a lot for what little I said. You obviously don't understand. __________________________________________________ I survived CCP eating all my sigs and all I got was a crappy colorful moderator message...
Aypse Convergent Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.05.31 16:12:00 - [28] Yes, I agree, my enjoyment of Eve has changed over time. I find myself enjoying more and more. When I first started it was a pretty simple shooty-shooty and NPC-grind game. Now, I am or have been involved in small to large gang warfare, fleet combat, POS battles, trading, market manipulation, suicide ganking, rig construction, invention, universe-wide combat, forum posting, small-gang leading, 0.0 market supplying, pirating, solo hunting, etc. etc. etc. I fly small small ships, large ships, industrials, T1 and T2, specialized and general purpose ships. The variety is great and gets better all the time as my skills improve and new ships are added/changed. Even the forum drama provides entertainment. I still have faith in CCP and see the drama (BoB bias, BoB cheating, GM cheating, ISD rigging, etc.) as allegations without even a small amount of proof to back them. They have no effect on me, other than a few laughs. If Eve is becoming frustrating to you, take a break. Either from the entire game, or from what you are doing in the game. Cyas around o/ Originally by: Oveur Eve is primarily a PVP game and hence our focus is on making that experience balanced.
Orree Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.05.31 17:04:00 - [29] I've been playing the game for quite a while now and I still find enough enjoyment (mostly out of the comradery I share with my in-game friends) to keep playing. I have lived in 0.0 just about all of my time playing EVE. It's the life I like best. I use hi-sec for shopping and occasional forays in support of formally declared wars. My combat main has done a little mercenary work in hi-sec. That can be kind of fun. I like the politics and warfare of 0.0, however my enjoyment for that has decreased with the advent of POS warfare and super capitals. Even POS warfare I could live with, it was boring, but it had its place and every pilot (regardless of ship) had a bigger job to do than they do now. Now most are just Doomsday Device fodder. The advent of super capitals, specifically the titan has just marginalized the have-nots way too much to keep alliance warfare as fun as it used to be. Motherships are bad, but not quite as bad. The deciding factor now seems to be who has the most titans and motherships (something only a very few people get to enjoy). In my opinion, neither of these vessels was needed to advance gameplay in EVE. The "addiction" I had to playing EVE is gone. I can take it or leave it, whereas before I really spent quite a lot of time playing and hated when I couldn't be online advancing myself or my corp. When I'm away from the game, I mainly just miss my online friends and the hilarity of our TeamSpeak server. As I mentioned earlier. There are still lots of things I enjoy about playing EVE. Smaller gang combat is still quite fun. Every once in a while you get a very fun large fleet fight. These things help sustain you for a while. Then the futility of 0.0 warfare begins to drag me back down. The big picture of 0.0 politics and warfare is a big part of my enjoyment and that's a bit borked right now, in my humble opinion.
Thundirr Amarr Mercurialis Inc. Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.05.31 17:14:00 - [30] Originally by: Aypse Even the forum drama provides entertainment. I still have faith in CCP and see the drama (BoB bias, BoB cheating, GM cheating, ISD rigging, etc.) as allegations without even a small amount of proof to back them. They have no effect on me, other than a few laughs. If Eve is becoming frustrating to you, take a break. Either from the entire game, or from what you are doing in the game. Cyas around o/ About the BoB bias, BoB cheating stuff I think the problem is the perspective. You being on one side of the situation from others allows you to be more posistive about things then the people on the other side of it who see any impropriety as cause for unrest. But I do think CCP has realized that they have to be Transparent in how they handle problems, and (being positive) I think they are working to prevent future problems. But I do agree with many of you about looking for other things that you find exciting, and if you are facing burn out or unhappiness with the game. Take a break, train a long skill and go on an EVE vacation. I have taken 2 such breaks from EVE; both allowed me to come back to the game and find something new and interesting. I changed my personal perspective of what I expected and wanted in the EVE world. If things are making you miserable, change them. If you hate what your doing, no one is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to do it so Change your perspective of it. If your fed up with mission running. Take a break and start working the markets. For many people who have dabbled in a bit of everything and are getting tired. Keep in mind. REV2.0 is coming out soon(tm) and with it there will be a sizable change in the way combat in 0.0 works. I say if your getting to the point where you dont like playing. Take a vacation. AFK skill training is fine (thats how i got BS 5 and Torp 5 before capital ships came out) dont let youself get so far down the path of dislike that when you leave you dont come back. With best regards. Thundirr Out.



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