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Triple Deke
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Posted - 2007.06.01 13:30:00 -
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Okay, for all of you miners complaining about mineral prices, I can see only one thing (shy of CCP intervention) that can adjust mineral prices to be more favourable to us...mining strike.
I think it would only take a week or two of either not mining, or not selling our yield.
Anyone willing to do this, or would you rather whine to CCP?
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Tarn dusk
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Posted - 2007.06.01 16:44:00 -
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Macro miners will still sell cause they don't care so dout a strike would get the mineral prices anywhere
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Pwett
Minmatar
QUANT Corp.
Southern Connection
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Posted - 2007.06.01 16:48:00 -
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Strikes only work in communists' wet dreams.
If you want to raise mineral prices, start killing miners.
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Pwett
CEO and Founder
[QTC]QUANT Corp.
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Tintifish
Roid Terminators
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Posted - 2007.06.01 17:27:00 -
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 Originally by: Pwett
Strikes only work in communists' wet dreams.
If you want to raise mineral prices, start killing miners.
/me is all for that idea :D
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ShadowRat
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Posted - 2007.06.02 09:09:00 -
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So .. you says killing (in capitalism) is better way then strike to raise prices?... Hmm... nice idea and you go far:D
Best from the ages are WAR... with one condition .. war not on own teritory
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Sphynx Stormlord
Gallente
Anqara Tech
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Posted - 2007.06.02 12:43:00 -
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Well, that seems like a prety basic plan; if you think mineral prices are too low, dont mine.
Do something else with your eve time; shoot stuff, trade, manufacture stuff, etc.
Leave mining for people who like it (which doesnt include me).
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Takis Shiro
Mining and Missions Industries
THE V I G I L
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Posted - 2007.06.02 13:08:00 -
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A mining strike would only work if it was co-ordinated, which sadly isn't true. While you could stop one corporation mining perhaps there will always be some oblivious to your strike and people who dont mind making low profits on high security ore.
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Josh Causto
Gallente
Fatalix Inc.
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Posted - 2007.06.02 13:53:00 -
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One problem, macro miners dont go on strike
Originally by: Speed Devil
Originally by: ReePeR McAllem
Everytime you fit anything other than a laser on our ships, babies die.
and when ya fit lasers on your ships nothing dies
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chapter13
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Posted - 2007.06.02 17:41:00 -
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A strike would neevr work in eve under any circumstances. You're just cutting yourself out of the money for a short while.
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ho chiminh
Gallente
SlackaNova
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Posted - 2007.06.02 21:19:00 -
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Originally by: chapter13
A strike would neevr work in eve under any circumstances. You're just cutting yourself out of the money for a short while.
A voluntary strike will never work. Involuntary is a different question.
Don't think it's too hard to start a corp or alliance to end hi-sec mining over a given constellation maybe.
Nice 0.5 or 0.6 dead ender full of miners. Just suicide until there's no one left and start pushing outward into other systems.
I've made a couple of posts in GD about this a month or so ago. Got 0 response.
OP can contact me in game if he wants.
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chapter13
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Posted - 2007.06.02 21:52:00 -
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Thats all fine and well but has nothign to do with the post....he was referencing a full-on miner strike in order to drive up mineral prices. That would have to be eve-wide in order to work (which from a practical standpoint...wouldn't). You might shut down a system or two from being mined but nothing that would affect mineral prices.
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ho chiminh
Gallente
SlackaNova
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Posted - 2007.06.02 22:09:00 -
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Edited by: ho chiminh on 02/06/2007 22:10:08
Originally by: chapter13
Thats all fine and well but has nothign to do with the post....he was referencing a full-on miner strike in order to drive up mineral prices. That would have to be eve-wide in order to work (which from a practical standpoint...wouldn't). You might shut down a system or two from being mined but nothing that would affect mineral prices.
Actually the title of the thread is "Put your money where your mouth is." My response is on has everything to do with the post.
You are correct in stating that a voluntary strike will not work.
I am still waiting for somebody who is serious about driving up min prices to contact me.
Just 2 or 3 dedicated players are capable of driving min prices up at a constellation level. 4 or 5 times that number can possibly have an impact on a regional basis.
Ho and SlackaNova is/are still ready to put isk and time into the effort. In fact can flipping Macro's and others and stockpiling any ore gained IS putting my money where my mouth is.
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Toria Nynys
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.06.04 04:35:00 -
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You'd also have to get missioners&ratters to stop looting rats and refining the droppings. And the drone region residents to... play another game for a while.
Not happening.
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Ecky X
The Aforementioned
SYSTEM SHOCK INITIATIVE
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Posted - 2007.06.04 06:48:00 -
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If all miners went on strike, demand for low-ends would soar, relative to mids and highs.
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Carniflex
Caldari
Fallout Research
Fallout Project
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Posted - 2007.06.04 07:19:00 -
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Originally by: Ecky X
If all miners went on strike, demand for low-ends would soar, relative to mids and highs.
Not exactly true. If supply for low ends would be severed it would still possible to buy NPC good and recykle them. Like shuttles for example. It's only slightly more expencive than current low end prices and already quite close to the 'balance point'.
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Ulrich Sternaxe
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Posted - 2007.06.04 10:00:00 -
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Edited by: Ulrich Sternaxe on 04/06/2007 09:59:38
Is there a problem mining megacyte or something? I don't understand these complaints by miners when megacyte is going for 4500-4900 ISK a piece and still rising.
Only zydrine is the one mineral you shouldn't be mining at the moment, the rest of the minerals are all very well priced for miners.
I've heard megacyte can be found in the southern regions... 
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Triple Deke
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Posted - 2007.06.04 15:14:00 -
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Edited by: Triple Deke on 04/06/2007 15:14:34
Originally by: Ulrich Sternaxe
[Eventually it all balances out again so miners won't get much of an advantage with increased mineral prices.
Agreed. I guess my main point is that this is a player driven market, and that if you don't like the way mineral prices are right now, then don't sell your minerals. Either hold onto them until you do like the mineral prices, or go do something else.
The great thing about this game is that there are an almost infinite number of things that you can do. So if mining isn't doing it for you anymore, go buy some gun skills or some manufacturing skills and fart around with them for awhile. You rule your own EVE destiny.
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2007.06.04 19:10:00 -
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Just wait for the drone regions to be tweaked again, the over supply of zydrine to correct itself and the other minerals till follow.
IF anything miners should be rejoicing as most of the empire mins are much higher than they were and it's actually more profitable to mine in empire than it had been. (factoring usage, ships costs, risk, etc..) |
Pwett
Minmatar
QUANT Corp.
Southern Connection
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Posted - 2007.06.04 19:47:00 -
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Zydrine isn't the issue people, it's nocxium. Look at what has the most affect on middle ores and some of the high-ends that have dropped the most in value.
I could argue forever that in terms of market saturation, zydrine is exactly where it should be, nocxium, however, is at 50% of "balanced" market value.
I will put my entire mineral index reputation on the line and lean on the issue of nocxium continually until people stop complaining about Zydrine 
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Pwett
CEO and Founder
[QTC]QUANT Corp.
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2007.06.04 20:19:00 -
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Originally by: Pwett
Zydrine isn't the issue people, it's nocxium. Look at what has the most affect on middle ores and some of the high-ends that have dropped the most in value.
I could argue forever that in terms of market saturation, zydrine is exactly where it should be, nocxium, however, is at 50% of "balanced" market value.
I will put my entire mineral index reputation on the line and lean on the issue of nocxium continually until people stop complaining about Zydrine
When you just compare base values yes, however when you compare sources I'd say that zydrine is far off fair value with regards to risk/reward for miners.
Essentially there is no point to mine for zydrine and you are better of farming it out of drone regions.
Besides, at this point the other thing that's going to high end mins is a devaluing of low end ones. None of us are privy to the statistics but I would wager that lowering drone region supplies would do well to correct the market for all high end mins. |
Vasiliyan
Dutch T2 Production
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Posted - 2007.06.04 22:02:00 -
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Originally by: Ulrich Sternaxe
Only zydrine is the one mineral you shouldn't be mining at the moment, the rest of the minerals are all very well priced for miners.
Pwett is right: mining for Nocxium is worthless. Scordite beats everything below Crokite. Mexallon and Pyerite have a great risk/reward ratio.
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Ulrich Sternaxe
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Posted - 2007.06.05 12:43:00 -
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Edited by: Ulrich Sternaxe on 05/06/2007 12:45:20
Edited by: Ulrich Sternaxe on 05/06/2007 12:43:33
Originally by: Kazzac Elentria
When you just compare base values yes, however when you compare sources I'd say that zydrine is far off fair value with regards to risk/reward for miners.
Essentially there is no point to mine for zydrine and you are better of farming it out of drone regions.
Apparantly the risk/reward for acquiring zydrine isn't high enough yet(the risk) to decrease the influx of zydrine on the market to increase its price. If it were more risky to acquire zydrine the price would react, apparantly those 0.0 alliances drone-ratting and mining zydrine aren't running enough risk for zydrine to rise in price. If acquiring zydrine truly had such a bad risk/reward ratio less people would be trying to acquire it.
I think it's easy to overestimate the risk players in 0.0 alliances are running when they're acquiring their Zydrine cause they still keep doing it for current prices. If they lost more ships acquiring zydrine (be it mining or drone-ratting) the price for zydrine would go up since less and less players would be inclined to run the risk of losing a ship for such a little gain.
But that's just zydrine, I can understand the nocxium issue, allthough, the same is true there as well, if it wasn't so riskfree to acquire nocxium less people would be acquiring it, and price would go up.
Now the real question is... what's more risky, mining for zydrine or nocxium, or droneratting for it? Whichever one of these has the best risk/reward ratio, will affect the market prices for these minerals the most.
I guess that's what's happening here, droneratting has a much better risk/reward ratio then mining, so droneratting is affecting prices more than mining. Next to stubborn miners who refuse to choose an occupation with the best risk/reward ratio (or are just not capable skillwise, or infrastructure wise) and try to compete with droneratting prices.
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2007.06.05 16:36:00 -
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Originally by: Ulrich Sternaxe
*stuff*
Exactly, at this point and time the ratting rewards are effectively killing the the market on both the high end and low end of the spectrum.
Like I said, there should be a drive and need for miners and industrialists to push outwards from empire space. But as zydrine and noc continue to devalue from ratting, the remaining mins must rise in price to meet effective base values.
Therefore as a miner or industrialist of any kind, it really serves no purpose to move out of empire. |
patteSatan
Celtic Anarchy
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.06.05 17:50:00 -
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Edited by: patteSatan on 05/06/2007 17:49:26
Originally by: Ulrich Sternaxe
Essentially there is no point to mine for zydrine and you are better of farming it out of drone regions.
From 1 Plush Compound, you get, with perfect refiningskills 18 Zydrine.
From 1 Glossy Compound, 6 Megacyte.
From 1 Opulent Compound, 2 Morphite.
So now you know why the prices dropped.
And those drone-drops comes in droves from drone-bs's.
...you women are creepy, but amusing as hell.
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Effei Gloom
Minmatar
eXceed Inc.
INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.06.06 17:07:00 -
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Originally by: Pwett
Strikes only work in communists' wet dreams.
If you want to raise mineral prices, start killing miners.
you could buy all available minerals and price will rise
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