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Wundabar	Posted - 2007.06.04 19:25:00 - [1] Ok, so i have been doing missions for a few months, will be upped onto onto level 3's in a day or two, but i am wondering what is the best and most efficient ship for me to use for the missions. I can use ammar ships, but should i use BC or a battleship? Bear in mind that i am looking for something that will earn the iskies fast so that i can better suply my main :D thanks -Wundabar!!!
Vasiliyan Dutch T2 Production	Posted - 2007.06.04 19:40:00 - [2] Depending on skills, but usually BC > BS for level 3s because there are lots of small ships which large guns find hard to hit.
Stefx	Posted - 2007.06.04 20:00:00 - [3] My Domi's T2 light drones take care of those little fast nasties ;-)
Almirg	Posted - 2007.06.04 20:25:00 - [4] Thorax ftw on this one. Fitted with a 1600 plate and t2 small rails in highs rips trough every mission Not sure with amarr who may be better of in a bc, but I would definitely try to avoid using a bs=slow/boring, save that for lvl 4's
Wundabar	Posted - 2007.06.04 21:03:00 - [5] Ok, my plan is to buy a harbinger as it has a favourable drone capacity (use against smaller ships) and then a nice high and low capacity, so, think i should set it up guns/damage mods, guns/nos/light tank, nos/heavy tank?
Goldis	Posted - 2007.06.04 21:19:00 - [6] I'd say Battlecruiser. The caldari Drake is the mission running king among them, but I've seen the harbinger put to good use in mission-running too. A battleship will be faster for running missions at some point, (even lvl3's) the problem is that battleships have tanks generally inferior to battlecruisers, especially with low skills, so take your time in graduating into them (better safe than sorry).
Vasiliyan Dutch T2 Production	Posted - 2007.06.04 22:11:00 - [7] Originally by: Wundabar Ok, my plan is to buy a harbinger as it has a favourable drone capacity (use against smaller ships) and then a nice high and low capacity, so, think i should set it up guns/damage mods, guns/nos/light tank, nos/heavy tank? Fit a permanently sustainable tank for the mission, then try to get as much damage out of it as possible without compromising the tank.
Gloria Stitz	Posted - 2007.06.04 22:19:00 - [8] Originally by: Vasiliyan Fit a permanently sustainable tank for the mission, then try to get as much damage out of it as possible without compromising the tank. This needs quoting - precise use of language that covers mission running in a sentence. ------------- 'Don't try to learn Eve all at once, otherwise your brain will explode' - Albert Einstein ------------
Valea	Posted - 2007.06.05 02:03:00 - [9] Cruise raven, the tank is overkill, and the cruise missiles can 3 volley a battle cruiser, for the small stuff I just drone em.
Krytie	Posted - 2007.06.05 02:17:00 - [10] I use the Myr... I am a drone specialist and with the armor repair bonuses and drone damage bonuses, at elast for Gallante, it is the best for level 3s. I can tank all level 3 missions with 2 medium armor repairers going. 90% can be done with 1 armor repairer going. So, if you are a drone person, the mry is the best in my opinion.
Epoch	Posted - 2007.06.05 02:48:00 - [11] a muninn. works ok. got the blockade a couple nights ago. had to use a bigger ship.
Spider Iarus	Posted - 2007.06.05 05:33:00 - [12] I use a myrmidon too, but a drastically different fit. Highs 5x 250 proto gauss/Lead 1x 150 proto gauss/Lead (out of CPU :P) Mids 1x AB II 1x Proto-web 2x Cap Recharger II 1x Named tracking computer Lows 1x MARII 2x Rat-spec Active Hardener I's 1x Named PDS 1x DCII 1x Named DMG mod Bays 5x Hammer II 5x Hobgoblin II 2x Ogre I Rigs CCC x1 Armor Rep Amount x1 Nothing in that kit is difficult to find, train, or replace. It runs every single L3 mission on a tank that while not permanent runs long enough that I have literally never capped out even while running the whole kit together. The only thing I haven't attempted with this ship is the BS spawns at the end of the ten part storyline - didn't like the look of them, I'll give it a shot next time.
Krytie	Posted - 2007.06.05 05:57:00 - [13] That is the awesome thing about this game and one of the most frustrating as well (ha ha): A ton of setups and ships can accomplish the same thing..... :-D Basically, you just need to go with your strengths.
Hasak Rain Amarr	Posted - 2007.06.05 14:39:00 - [14] I fly Amarr for missions too. What I did was use the Harbinger for most of the lvl'3s but kept my Abaddon in the hanger for some of the tougher lvl 3's just so I could get them done faster. Missions like The Blockade, Pirate Invasion, Gone Berserk ect. can be done a lot faster in the Abaddon because they contain mostly larger ship NPCs. Of course, those missions can be done in a Harbinger too but for speed, A BS is a good idea if you can afford it.
Vasiliyan Dutch T2 Production	Posted - 2007.06.05 15:29:00 - [15] Originally by: Spider Iarus I use a myrmidon too, but a drastically different fit. That is a good fit. Something very similar works on the brutix as well, with another 150mm on the top, although IME it needs more hardeners. Originally by: Gloria Stitz Originally by: Vasiliyan Fit a permanently sustainable tank for the mission, then try to get as much damage out of it as possible without compromising the tank. This needs quoting - precise use of language that covers mission running in a sentence. Thanks!
Anaalys Fluuterby Caldari	Posted - 2007.06.05 15:55:00 - [16] Edited by: Anaalys Fluuterby on 05/06/2007 15:54:31 Another nice thing about using a BC instead of a BS is that it is a "generic" skill; you don't have to have the racial component. As long as you have Cruiser 4 in a particular race (easy to train) you can fly each race's BCs on the one skill.... Drake kills level 3s. Just warp in, aggro room, kill everything. No tactics, no worries, no stress. It is a great level 3 ISK maker. Use a destroyer to salvage though, its a pig to fly For my alt I either fly my hurricane or Typhoon for level 3s, depending on how much attention I feel like spending. The Phoon is nice because it is actually faster and more maneuverable than a Drake is. Missiles for everything less than 10km and everything over 25. ACs to slaughter everything in the middle including frigates. The Hurricane works well too using a dual-repper setup, 4 acs, 2 missiles and 2 nos in the highs. It can't just sit and tank like the Drake can, but even the blockade is no problem with it. Plus both have good drone bays. But I would recommend a BC, more bang for the ISK and faster travelling. Also less to lose when LAG strikes and you can't get away or fire your tank up Like mentioned, set your tank then deploy your best weapons , followed by whatever needed to keep the tank running. I don't fly Amarr so can't give you any tips on thier ships. <-----------> Factional Warfare: The LowSec wars which never happened.
Wundabar	Posted - 2007.06.05 17:13:00 - [17] So, i have sussed that i will be using the Harbinger for the level 3's. What kinda ships will i be facing? Cruisers? BC? BS's?
Tsanse Kinske WeMeanYouKnowHarm	Posted - 2007.06.05 18:23:00 - [18] Originally by: Wundabar So, i have sussed that i will be using the Harbinger for the level 3's. What kinda ships will i be facing? Cruisers? BC? BS's? BS in L3s are a rarity, only occurring in some special pockets. It's virtually all Frig/Cruiser/BC. At a very rough guess, I'd say maybe they represent 1/3 each overall, though that probably underestimates the raw number of frigs. * * * In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. -Douglas Adams, writing about EVE
Panzer Goddess New Dawn Rising	Posted - 2007.06.05 20:19:00 - [19] EOS FTW!!!!! LOL Since Im always at war or pvping I just use my eos for missions. Tank is unbeatable lol and small rails and blasters with drones do the job quick and fast with an ab on.
eleuthereus Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2007.06.05 20:38:00 - [20] Drake will serve your needs perfectly. Best L3 ship out there, IMHO. ________________________ "The truth is incontrovertible, malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end; there it is" (Whinston Churchill).
Tanlor Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2007.06.05 20:43:00 - [21] I run L3's in a Dominix. Perhaps it's overkill, but I enjoy dropping my sentries, popping all the frigs, then taking out the cruisers with my heavies... Things dying quickly = more isk. ~Tanlor
Hasak Rain Amarr	Posted - 2007.06.05 22:27:00 - [22] Originally by: Wundabar So, i have sussed that i will be using the Harbinger for the level 3's. What kinda ships will i be facing? Cruisers? BC? BS's? There is nothing in a lvl 3 that a Harbinger cannot handle but there are two things to keep in mind: 1) lvl 3's are where you have to be a bit more mindful of your tank. Make sure you swap in the appropriate Hardeners for the rats you are going to face. Some lvl's 3s are very easy and it won't matter but some are not quite so easy and require a decent tank. Learn how to do the Blockade correctly before actually doing it or else you are going to be on here posting about how it needs to be nerfed. Don't be one of those fools please. 2) Since you are flying Amarr, I would recommend flying missions for only for Amarr agents so that you get mostly Blood Raider missions. You will get some Guristas too but they are doable. They just take a bit longer and you can expect to get target jammed. Why are people telling him to use a Drake when he stated twice he is flying Amarr? Not everyone wants to fly easymode.
Hakatata	Posted - 2007.06.05 22:47:00 - [23] there's another thing that i just figured out, being the nub i am (probably so basic a thing that noone bothered to mention it) scan resolution on a battleship is less than half that of a BC, so it seems to take forever to target stuff. just another boost to the BC, imo
Anaalys Fluuterby Caldari	Posted - 2007.06.05 23:02:00 - [24] Edited by: Anaalys Fluuterby on 05/06/2007 23:00:47 Originally by: Wundabar So, i have sussed that i will be using the Harbinger for the level 3's. What kinda ships will i be facing? Cruisers? BC? BS's? About 60% frigates, 30% cruisers then the lone BC or three. At least for Caldari agents. Quote: why is everyone telling him to use a Drake Because he asked for suggestions, and got them regardless of which race he flies Like I said above, the beauty of the BCs is if you have cruiser 4 for other races (pretty easy to train) then you can fly their BCs also without worrying about yet another skill. If he decides he wants to fly a Drake, a Hurricane, or a Myrmi he can be in one in around 2 weeks and the points he put into the BC skill isn't lost.... <-----------> Factional Warfare: The LowSec wars which never happened.
Hasak Rain Amarr	Posted - 2007.06.05 23:05:00 - [25] Originally by: Hakatata there's another thing that i just figured out, being the nub i am (probably so basic a thing that noone bothered to mention it) scan resolution on a battleship is less than half that of a BC, so it seems to take forever to target stuff. just another boost to the BC, imo That is true and it sucks when you go into a mission where you are getting Target jammed and have to retarget the rats over and over again. However, if you have a BS handy, I would still recommend using one for some of the tougher lvl3's like I said in a above post. They can zip through The Blockade and Gone Berserk fast and easily even taking into consideration that BSs target slower. I wouldn't use a BS in a mission that has tons of frigs though because it will actually take longer since your guns will be too big to hit anything and most of your damage will have to come from your Drones. This is only if you fly non-Caldari though. I never flew Caldari for missions but it is common knowledge that the Drake is a uber mission running ship so you don't really need to consider a BS for lvl'3 even for speed purposes.
Hasak Rain Amarr	Posted - 2007.06.05 23:11:00 - [26] Edited by: Hasak Rain on 05/06/2007 23:13:47 Originally by: Anaalys Fluuterby Edited by: Anaalys Fluuterby on 05/06/2007 23:00:47 Originally by: Wundabar So, i have sussed that i will be using the Harbinger for the level 3's. What kinda ships will i be facing? Cruisers? BC? BS's? About 60% frigates, 30% cruisers then the lone BC or three. At least for Caldari agents. Quote: why is everyone telling him to use a Drake Because he asked for suggestions, and got them regardless of which race he flies Like I said above, the beauty of the BCs is if you have cruiser 4 for other races (pretty easy to train) then you can fly their BCs also without worrying about yet another skill. If he decides he wants to fly a Drake, a Hurricane, or a Myrmi he can be in one in around 2 weeks and the points he put into the BC skill isn't lost.... Yeah except he specifically mentioned that he is going to fly a Harbinger. I agree with you about the ease of training another race for BC though. I often was tempted to train for the Drake and Raven {for lvl4's} but I always read posts from Caldari mission runners who seem to get burned out spamming missles and how boring it becomes. Flying Amarr for missions is slower and less efficient but I would bet it is more challenging and fun. Not to mention that having to train up good gunnery skills will be helpful for PvP later down the road.
Lance Fighter	Posted - 2007.06.06 03:48:00 - [27] I fly a battleship My geddon... 6x dual heavy pule lasers 1x large smartbomb 1x medium remote armor rep 1x 100mn ab 2x cap rechargers 1x LAR1 1x 1600 plate 1x each kin, exp, therm hardeners 3x cap power relay Sigh. Flame away, i know i suck Someone keeps truncating my signature, I swear
Enduros	Posted - 2007.06.06 13:16:00 - [28] Have to agree that lvl 3s are usually for BCs. Some can be easily done by cruisers too, with good skills almost all can be done with a cruiser. Oh and the blockade, that tested my BS's tank since I got a little too trigger happy, probably don't wanna take a cruiser there. At some point if you are using a BS and getting the feeling of overkill, move to lvl4s. I'm grinding standings on lvl 3s atm in my mach, lvl 3s really aren't for BS as I pretty much 2 volley everything.
Spider Iarus	Posted - 2007.06.14 03:42:00 - [29] Started running L3 missions on day 16 of this character's life in a Myrm. I still have the Myrm. Now I'm twice as fast, but back when I started only a few missions needed a warpout. My alt uses a drake, which is also ridiculously fast. Can't go wrong with either of those two. Drake is probably better efficiency wise, but the fittings are more expensive by an astronomical factor and Caldari space sucks the sweat from a donkey's gonads (hence why the mods are so expensive, combined with 500000000000 mission runners and a higher chance of getting scanned than anywhere else).
OneSock Silentia Mortalis Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.14 11:45:00 - [30] At the moment a Command Ship (Astarte). In general if you have the skills, CS > BS > BC, but there are probably exceptions. For Gallente the Domi is better than the myrm simply due to the better tank and bigger drone bay. However, when you can get into an Astarte with the med rail bonuses, it eats lv3 rats faster than a domi's drones can and has a good tank too. If you don't have the skills, go for the BC first simply because it's cheaper to lose.
Khonsu Rest home for Tired Seadogs	Posted - 2007.06.14 13:00:00 - [31] I think Zealot is the best for level 3s, but you might not have skills for it. It eats all level 3s without blinking, and its speed means shorter travel times inside the missions compared to a BC.
Foai	Posted - 2007.06.14 15:39:00 - [32] Isn't it annoying for you drone users to do wave missions like "the blockade"? Wont the NPC's aggro the drones in many cases? (I used a drake myself when i did lvl 3's.)
Lady Hades	Posted - 2007.06.14 16:47:00 - [33] Don't know about Amarr but I fly Caldari and use a Navy Caracal. Holds up just fine and takes care of everything just fine to boot.
Drudenhaus Caldari Initrode	Posted - 2007.06.14 20:54:00 - [34] I watched movies on my other computer while spamming F1-F6 in my Raven during level 3s.
Elspeth Vigneron Caldari Phoenix Logistics Industries	Posted - 2007.06.14 22:25:00 - [35] Originally by: Wundabar Ok, so i have been doing missions for a few months, will be upped onto onto level 3's in a day or two, but i am wondering what is the best and most efficient ship for me to use for the missions. I can use ammar ships, but should i use BC or a battleship? Bear in mind that i am looking for something that will earn the iskies fast so that i can better suply my main :D thanks -Wundabar!!! I use a battleship. Put a pair of big guns on it for the BC, then a bunch of mediums. You'll have plenty of grid left over to fill up your high-slots AND mount an INCREDIBLE tank. :) Phoenix Logistics Industries 01010000010100100100010101010000010000010101001 00100010100100000010101000100111100100000010001 000100100101000101001011000010000
Elspeth Vigneron Caldari Phoenix Logistics Industries	Posted - 2007.06.14 22:27:00 - [36] Originally by: Almirg Thorax ftw on this one. Fitted with a 1600 plate and t2 small rails in highs rips trough every mission Not sure with amarr who may be better of in a bc, but I would definitely try to avoid using a bs=slow/boring, save that for lvl 4's I find it struggles with the Level III Rogue drone mission. There are a couple of missile spammers that just go through your tank. I haven't tried it on any of the really big ones that have a lot of missiles, but I suspect the problem will exist there as well. Phoenix Logistics Industries 01010000010100100100010101010000010000010101001 00100010100100000010101000100111100100000010001 000100100101000101001011000010000
Heartcarver	Posted - 2007.06.15 02:59:00 - [37] My Harbringer obliterates lvl 3 missions: Highs: 7 Beam Lasers (Best you can fit) 1 Med NOS Mids: 4 Cap Recharger II Lows: 2 Heatsinks 1 Explo Hardner 1 Kinetic Hardner 2 Medium Armor Rep II 3 CCC Rigs 4 Vespa Drones I used to switch the armor hardners out, but realized I dont really need to, my cap can run infinitely, with all lasers firing, both MAR II's and both hardners running. I have 2 best named T1 lasers, and the other 5 are a slight step down so I could fit them all. It outputs decent damage, has a tank that has not required a warp out when used right, and the drones can rock anything close. You prob also have more SP than me since im only about 2 months old.
Sun Crusher	Posted - 2007.06.15 09:55:00 - [38] for lvl 3 i use : Myrmi (2marII, 4 sentry drones ~30km, 5 light drones 3 rails +2 blaster), Harbinger (7shorth range laser, heatII, 2marII, +rig damage, cap grid/cap recharge) Drake 7 heavy missiles, +standard passive shield tank i like PVE, CCP pls create more PVE content
Bralstov	Posted - 2007.06.15 10:57:00 - [39] Edited by: Bralstov on 15/06/2007 10:56:01 With a drake and 3 weeks of skill u can do all lvl 3 afk. U can infinite tank 2 waves of blockade, with set up like this : 7 heavy launcher ( domination are great and cheap ). 3 LSE II 3 Hardeners II 2 pds II 2 bcu II ( 2 spr II if u want to take 3 wave on blockade in the same time ). 5 light drones. 3 rig purger. Godlike in lvl 3 as u cant be killed ( or juste maybe by 3 waves of blockade ). u can even infinite tank the last stage of angel strike 10/10.
Shirow Miyazaki Amarr I.Z.U Syndicate	Posted - 2007.06.15 14:38:00 - [40] Originally by: Heartcarver My Harbringer obliterates lvl 3 missions: Highs: 7 Beam Lasers (Best you can fit) 1 Med NOS Mids: 4 Cap Recharger II Lows: 2 Heatsinks 1 Explo Hardner 1 Kinetic Hardner 2 Medium Armor Rep II 3 CCC Rigs 4 Vespa Drones My setup was very similar before i went to L4s, i think it was the following: 6 x heavy anode particle streams 1 x salvager 1 x tractor beam the mids and lows i can't quite remember, but i had a webber and AB, 2 cap rechargers, and a hefty tank, but no heatsinks
EvilSpork	Posted - 2007.06.15 18:45:00 - [41] my best and favorite ship for level3 running is a retribution! yes a frigate! 2 med pulse II multifreq 2 dual light pulse II multifreq small diminishing nos ------------ 1nm ab II ------------ small armor rep II EANM II energized thermal II heatsink II cpu upgrade(nanomechanical i think, i ran out of cpu to use the heatsink) just pick an enemy and basically fly at it, if its a frigate it will blow up before you get to it. if its a cruiser just orbit it and its dead soon. on very rare occasions i have to bring my drake in, but its not often. strategy involves taking out frigates first, then everything else. fly directly at or orbit the enemy you want to kill. not much more to it. i didnt believe a frigate could do level 3 missions easily till i tried.. and now its my solopwnmobile for lvl3s
Rolly Boxxaani	Posted - 2007.06.15 23:11:00 - [42] Hurricane, with Exp/Kin/Cap rigs: 6 scout 650, 2 heavy launchers AB, Web, Tracking , painter Gyro(1-2), MAR II, 3-2 specific hardeners (3 for angel), Damage Control II Dedicated looter/salvager ship. Had to warp from mission only when I wanted to see how I deal with 3 groups in same time (only problem was the lack of cap). That, on a 2.1 mil SP char
Hait	Posted - 2007.06.15 23:24:00 - [43] has fond memories of running lvl 3's in a Maller Before they got easy, and as a newb.
Serotta Ortot Last Man Mining	Posted - 2007.06.18 16:57:00 - [44] Using a Drake for lvl3's, or sometimes a Hurricane for the challenge. The Drake just makes it easy... 7 Heavies (Limos) 2 x LSE, 3 x Hardeners, 1x Shield Recharger (everything t2) 4 x Shield Power Relays (everything t2) 2 x Core Defense Field Purger rig 1 x Core Defense Field Extender rig
Naurhir Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.06.18 19:03:00 - [45] Although this wont be possible starting tomorrow, simply to get my faction up for lvl 4 missions, I flew a fully passive drake with rigs and an immense shield recharge rate on it, and spammed FOF missiles lol. Warp in, f1, f2 etc. alt tab and watch anime or read forums, check back in a bit to reload and go again. It wasn't all that efficient, but it practically plays itself.
punkrocka	Posted - 2007.06.18 19:40:00 - [46] Originally by: Naurhir Although this wont be possible starting tomorrow, simply to get my faction up for lvl 4 missions, I flew a fully passive drake with rigs and an immense shield recharge rate on it, and spammed FOF missiles lol. Warp in, f1, f2 etc. alt tab and watch anime or read forums, check back in a bit to reload and go again. It wasn't all that efficient, but it practically plays itself. lol, why won't this be possible after tomorrow
Mastin Dragonfly Ministry of War	Posted - 2007.06.18 22:01:00 - [47] Originally by: Foai Isn't it annoying for you drone users to do wave missions like "the blockade"? Wont the NPC's aggro the drones in many cases? (I used a drake myself when i did lvl 3's.) Blockade is one of the very few wave missions where waves will never, ever agro on your drones. Don't ask me why, guess it's hardcoded that way. Why it's hardcoded in this mission and not in many other missions? Who knows...
Polysynchronicity Amarr	Posted - 2007.06.19 01:03:00 - [48] My level 3 Apocalypse (yes, it's overkill) Highs: 7x Mega Pulse Laser I 1x Tractor Beam (for grabbing those mission-critical items) Mids: 1x 100mn AB I 3x Cap Recharger II Lows: 2x LAR II 3x NPC-specific hardeners (usually 2 thermal and 1 either EM or kinetic) 2x best named cap relays Rigs: N/A Drones: 5x Hobgoblin I 5x Hammerhead I Does everything without problems. The second LAR could be replaced with a heatsink if you're not worried about your tank. Megapulse hits cruisers and BCs effectively (and will do so even better after the tracking boost), and the Hammerheads chew through everything else. ----- That glorious ship is a Templar-class fighter, the sword of light and purity which our carriers shall drive into the hearts of the Minmatar heretics!
patteSatan Celtic Anarchy Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.06.19 04:00:00 - [49] I do lvl 3's in an Ishtar (the missions with loads of npc's, like the blockade, or Massive attack), and if it's a mission with less NPC's, my Enyo will suffice. ...you women are creepy, but amusing as hell.
Tissa Minmatar UK Corp FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.19 12:49:00 - [50] T2 fitted Prophecy (I have BC 5) with 425 autos and amour rep amount and cap recharge rigs and 5 light drones points and laughs at all lvl 3s. No cap problems and rock solid tank. Would it be able to handle a lvl 4 becomes the question? My views do not represent those of my corp or alliance. (Joined UKC 19/09/06)
Guilliman R Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.06.19 14:45:00 - [51] I use a BS, Hyperion to be exact, 6 large rails, 5 cap recharger II's 2 large armor reps (i get 2080 armor repaired every 11.50sec (thats 180hp/sec) It works for me and i can keep both of em running without going below 50% cap (including guns)and around 76% resist to 2 types (depending on missions) this tears trough all the BC+ ships, and for the smaller ones i have drones, depending on enemy speed i'll launch small or med drones (my drone skill atm > gunnery skills tho) mail reason this actualy works, dont have to worry about range to much and tank everything the missions throw at me sig: --------------------------------- yeye noob corp/we :o
Ryan Scouse'UK	Posted - 2007.06.19 16:57:00 - [52] Edited by: Ryan Scouse''UK on 19/06/2007 16:57:04 I use a faction fitted machariel Gist 100 AB , faction tracking / dmg mods la la la Epean.. pirate tracking implant , more dmg implant / fire rate past all that.. 6 x 1400 2 x cruise / heavy depending on ur skills.. fully gank setup were as damage control is ur only tank .. it never breaks the 11k shield just instant pop everything.. BC take a few ;) tad over kill.. but at 807ms .. Need I say more?

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