Originally by: Obron Mettlo

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Edited by: Obron Mettlo on 04/06/2007 23:38:37

Originally by: pershphanie

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Nah. They didn't turn. They were playing you guys the whole time. Everything they said to you guys to get you to back them up was just some BS to deflect a bob attack. You guys attacked bob which prevented bob from attacking them. Then when you needed the favor returned they were too busy running plexes. When bob was going to attack RA they were part of "the coalition". But when fade started to get attacked all of a sudden they were part of "the southern coalition". Yet no one called them out on that. You did them a huge favor and got hung out to dry. Sucks to be you guys. I'd be mad as hell. RA are very good eve players. But they are cold as hell. No one is really their ally. Just people who serve a purpose to them. RA's politics make Machiavelli look like Barney the dinosaur.

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Come on man, you usually make better posts than this. I never expected you to twist things like that. Let me correct you:

BoB attacked us before we NAPed D2 (and IRON, RZR, MM, et al). The NAP was worked out a head of time in the event BoB actually attacked us/came to defend LV, which I never thought would happen. The whole point was to let D2 attack fountain (and Delve and Querious) and split LV/BoB. After about a week, BoB left LV's defense and went back home to defend themselves. We would have had a much harder time beating LV with BoB helping them, but I believe LV still would have fallen apart internally.

In that respect, D2 helped us a lot by making BoB retreat, but they never came to our stations to help us when BoB and LV were working together. We had a NAP, and we had a plan, not a mutual defense pact that involved one side or the other trekking all of their capitals, logistics, and players to the opposite side of the map. I don't understand how you, or anyone else, could expect us to uproot EVERYTHING to go and help D2 if they were not strong enough to help themselves (or vice versa).

So you tell me, what should we have done to prop D2 up against BoB's pets and MC, as we are fighting BoB + Pets in 77S8 everyday? Just give up our space and go help D2 fulltime? You're being kind of ridiculous if you think the kind of help we could have provided while still managing to defend our space would have made a difference.

If by "they were too busy running plexes." you mean "fighting BoB in 77S8 everyday", then yes, you are right. It's easy to sling mud like this when you have no idea what's happening in a different region - I can just as easily blame D2 for "not doing ANYTHING" for so long as you can blame us for "not doing anything" or "running complexes".

So I stand by my words - D2's performance, or lack there of, was incredibly disappointing. Even if Schlieren's troll was harsh, he has a point - the D2 we fought in XGH never had a problem replacing dreads, towers, battleships, or what have you. Based on that, we expected them not to hold out, but to beat MC+Pets. Like I said, disappointing.

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