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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar Guardians of the Dawn Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.06.08 13:50:00 -
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Originally by: d026 Edited by: d026 on 08/06/2007 13:12:49
Quote: 6x Arbalest Siege with Bane torpedoes, 5 slot tank consisting of XL C5-L booster, boost amp I, 3x inv field II's, heavy electrochemical injector in 6th slot. Four BCU II, one Internal Force Field Array in the lows, oh and five Hammerhead II's in the drone bay...
Nope even with full high grade crystals u die:) Tanking a megas dps is not an option! That might be possible with gist x stuff but not in a tII fit:9
witha 7 slot tank (includign DC) and 3 rigs you can. Maesltrom pilots tank mega all days. And they usually have a 6 slot tank and no shield rigs (use falloff). So that shoudl more than compensate for the extra 37% tank
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Caffeine Junkie
Caldari Elite Storm Enterprises Storm Armada
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Posted - 2007.06.08 14:12:00 -
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You've got to keep him at range to really have a fighting chance, the mega is good close in, Raven at range so use what your strong with. It does however require a very specialised setup that will probably gimp you against other things.
Hi 6x T2 Torps w/Rage 2x 25k NOS
Mid XL Shield Booster Faction Scram (30k) Gotan's Statis Web (30km) (x2 ideally) Kin Hardener II Therm Harder II
Lows BCU / PDS / CPR (whatever)
The name of the game is keeping him on the edge of your Rage Torp range, unless he has rails fitted he should hardly score a hit. ___________________
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d026
THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.06.08 14:13:00 -
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Edited by: d026 on 08/06/2007 14:13:53
Quote: witha 7 slot tank (includign DC) and 3 rigs you can. Maesltrom pilots tank mega all days. And they usually have a 6 slot tank and no shield rigs (use falloff). So that shoudl more than compensate for the extra 37% tank
he will just warp off:)
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d026
THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.06.08 14:14:00 -
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Originally by: Caffeine Junkie You've got to keep him at range to really have a fighting chance, the mega is good close in, Raven at range so use what your strong with. It does however require a very specialised setup that will probably gimp you against other things.
Hi 6x T2 Torps w/Rage 2x 25k NOS
Mid XL Shield Booster Faction Scram (30k) Gotan's Statis Web (30km) (x2 ideally) Kin Hardener II Therm Harder II
Lows BCU / PDS / CPR (whatever)
The name of the game is keeping him on the edge of your Rage Torp range, unless he has rails fitted he should hardly score a hit.
A shame that you cannot get officer mods on sis -.-
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d026
THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.06.08 14:20:00 -
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Edited by: d026 on 08/06/2007 14:20:08 Anyway to come to a conclusion:
The only viable ption so far is to use heav ew an armor tank or speed stuff. I gonna play arroudn with this. Fitting faction/officer gear or a too specific tank/setup wont do any good in general (never fly into ammar with 0 em resi:)
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Caffeine Junkie
Caldari Elite Storm Enterprises Storm Armada
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Posted - 2007.06.08 16:13:00 -
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I wonder if a NOS / Blaster Rokh would do the job much better, even point blank? ___________________
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Gabriel Karade
Celtic Anarchy Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.06.08 16:30:00 -
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Originally by: d026 Edited by: d026 on 08/06/2007 13:12:49
Quote: 6x Arbalest Siege with Bane torpedoes, 5 slot tank consisting of XL C5-L booster, boost amp I, 3x inv field II's, heavy electrochemical injector in 6th slot. Four BCU II, one Internal Force Field Array in the lows, oh and five Hammerhead II's in the drone bay...
Nope even with full high grade crystals u die:) Tanking a megas dps is not an option! That might be possible with gist x stuff but not in a tII fit:9
Not to be funny mate, but I've tested this extensively prior to the Void nerf (T2 Ion Megathron vs. that Siege/tank Raven) and you are wrong. With a 15km start, it's very very close û the Megathron is on a gnats whisker of structure. With a 20km start the Megathron is in pieces or warping off (particularly after Void L got reduced from 60 damage to 56).
Crystal implants and you're just "lol".
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Laboratus
Gallente BGG League of Abnormal Gentlemen
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Posted - 2007.06.08 16:50:00 -
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T2 cruise+ 2nos/neut
Warp scrambler 2 best named webs 3 damps/racial ecm Fitting mods as needed, rest used for light tank+ damage mods
for rigs, whatever best fits your intended tactic (fitting if needed, ecm str if needed etc)
Drones: EW drones.
He gets in, gets webbed to 1% max speed, rip apart the drones with T2 cruise, keep him under heavy EW screen, will fail from time to time, but light tank saves then. ___ P.S. Post with your main. Mind control and tin hats |
d026
THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.06.08 17:06:00 -
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Edited by: d026 on 08/06/2007 17:05:25
Quote: I wonder if a NOS / Blaster Rokh would do the job much better, even point blank?
Nos Rokh pwns Mega:) Blaster Rokh well... it could...
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d026
THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.06.08 17:13:00 -
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Quote: Not to be funny mate, but I've tested this extensively prior to the Void nerf (T2 Ion Megathron vs. that Siege/tank Raven) and you are wrong. With a 15km start, it's very very close û the Megathron is on a gnats whisker of structure. With a 20km start the Megathron is in pieces or warping off (particularly after Void L got reduced from 60 damage to 56).
Crystal implants and you're just "lol".
i dont get you.. lets assume with void his optimal is arround 7k.. so he'll be in optimal within a couple of seconds.. thats probably one voley from me before he starts tearing me appart.
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Bentula
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Posted - 2007.06.08 19:02:00 -
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Edited by: Bentula on 08/06/2007 19:02:31
Originally by: Kagura Nikon
witha 7 slot tank (includign DC) and 3 rigs you can. Maesltrom pilots tank mega all days. And they usually have a 6 slot tank and no shield rigs (use falloff). So that shoudl more than compensate for the extra 37% tank
I heavily contest this claim.
1. You need a cap injector, so its more like a 5slot tank(i refuse to include a DC into this count). 2. With some kind of booster, boost amplifier, damage control, 2 invuls and a photon hardener you look at 73 kin and 64 therm resists. If im nice and say you have 70% average resists, which you dont, and assume your using a t2 x-large booster you still can tank only about 680 dps.
So yeah maybe if you have a evil faction fit you can tank a gankathron, but not with stock t2 unless there is something i forgot.
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Gabriel Karade
Celtic Anarchy Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.06.09 09:05:00 -
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Edited by: Gabriel Karade on 09/06/2007 09:05:49
Originally by: d026 Edited by: d026 on 08/06/2007 17:15:19
Quote: Not to be funny mate, but I've tested this extensively prior to the Void nerf (T2 Ion Megathron vs. that Siege/tank Raven) and you are wrong. With a 15km start, it's very very close û the Megathron is on a gnats whisker of structure. With a 20km start the Megathron is in pieces or warping off (particularly after Void L got reduced from 60 damage to 56).
Crystal implants and you're just "lol".
i dont get you.. lets assume with void his optimal (estimated best range as in quickfit) is arround 7k.. so he'll be in optimal within a couple of seconds.. thats probably one voley from me before he starts tearing me appart.
I just tested it again: A perfectly skilled Ion Blaster II Megathron (plated with single LAR II, 2x EANM II and IFFA), including 5% Rof, 5% Large Hybrid damage implants vs.
That Raven (Valkyrie II's instead of hammerhead II's), missing the skills; Minmatar Drone spec. V, Combat Drone Operation V, Rapid launch V, and cruicially with no implants at all...
...20km Start and the Megathron was left on 3% structure. Make it fair and take the implants away, the Megathron either stays and dies or warps off û just as I stated previously.
Edit: I shall endeavour to test it with the all-out plated (no repairer) Neutron II Megathron later. ----------
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Laboratus
Gallente BGG League of Abnormal Gentlemen
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Posted - 2007.06.09 09:16:00 -
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Originally by: Gabriel Karade I just tested it
Can you run that test with both pilots having full pirate implant sets. Crystal for raven, slave for mega.
I'm just curious. thx in advance. ___ P.S. Post with your main. Mind control and tin hats |
d026
THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.06.09 09:36:00 -
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Edited by: d026 on 09/06/2007 09:36:19 yeah single lar megas without/rep rigs i can kill easily i found out. so you are right.
my setup was: 6x siege II/w bane torps(my mate even fitted a explo hardener instead of a eanm:) 2x med nos mids: 2 x invul II, xl booster II, 1x boostamp,1x 24k scram, cap injector II lows: 3x bcu, 2x co-processor
so basically a rly cheap tII setup! rigs i think 1 ancy router and 2 shield extender rigs. no implants and 5 x hammerhead II's.
Anyway as soon as my mate fit another lar i was toast while he was bareley in armor:)
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d026
THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.06.09 09:39:00 -
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Edited by: d026 on 09/06/2007 09:38:42 btw i tested a 2x damp 3x multispec setup. this works well btw! the only thing hitting me were his ogre II's and without his blaster they were not realy a treat to me
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar Guardians of the Dawn Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.06.09 11:15:00 -
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Originally by: d026 Edited by: d026 on 08/06/2007 14:13:53
Quote: witha 7 slot tank (includign DC) and 3 rigs you can. Maesltrom pilots tank mega all days. And they usually have a 6 slot tank and no shield rigs (use falloff). So that shoudl more than compensate for the extra 37% tank
he will just warp off:)
you never said anythign about keeping it there. Personnaly I never fit tacklign gear in Battleships. Consider waste of slots.
If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough |
Kagura Nikon
Minmatar Guardians of the Dawn Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.06.09 11:26:00 -
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Originally by: Bentula Edited by: Bentula on 08/06/2007 19:02:31
Originally by: Kagura Nikon
witha 7 slot tank (includign DC) and 3 rigs you can. Maesltrom pilots tank mega all days. And they usually have a 6 slot tank and no shield rigs (use falloff). So that shoudl more than compensate for the extra 37% tank
I heavily contest this claim.
1. You need a cap injector, so its more like a 5slot tank(i refuse to include a DC into this count). 2. With some kind of booster, boost amplifier, damage control, 2 invuls and a photon hardener you look at 73 kin and 64 therm resists. If im nice and say you have 70% average resists, which you dont, and assume your using a t2 x-large booster you still can tank only about 680 dps.
So yeah maybe if you have a evil faction fit you can tank a gankathron, but not with stock t2 unless there is something i forgot.
you don 't need an injector. Byt the tyme you are out of cap you are dead or you defeated (its a blasthertron remember!).
Maesltrom case: (1.375*1.36*(1.36*0.87)/(0.85*0.85))*1.33=4.07 modifier that is 2x amplifier 2shield boost rigs _ lg crystal (every maesl pilto shoudl ahve one)
I use a dread gurist X alrge SB that equals 610 crude DPS. A T2 would be 490.
$90 dps with 70ish resists( have quite aroudn that a bit less on thermal, quite more on kinectic). would give 1600 dps tank for T2 fitting.
If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough |
Kaeten
Hybrid Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.06.09 11:29:00 -
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Originally by: Tobias Sjodin Mega can only do real dps with two damage types.
qft, about all you need to know really.
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Posted - 2007.06.09 20:47:00 -
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sorry i dont understand the confusion, t2 torps blow the bejesus out of a t2 neutron mega... to point of wow that was short...u just have to have the tank and that requires only half a brain is all
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Gamesguy
Amarr E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.06.09 22:36:00 -
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A raven with xl injected tank and 5x ecm drones will fight off a mega if the fight starts at 20km. The problem is you cant web or scram.
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d026
THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.06.10 04:08:00 -
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Quote: Edit: I shall endeavour to test it with the all-out plated (no repairer) Neutron II Megathron later.
please do! dual lar and plated out megas are the pain in the ass:) so anyway i have to admit all my fights started at 0m. I'll try to do some more fights at 15-20k and see how my raven performs:)
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d026
THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.06.10 04:10:00 -
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Quote: sorry i dont understand the confusion, t2 torps blow the bejesus out of a t2 neutron mega... to point of wow that was short...u just have to have the tank and that requires only half a brain is all
actually i just wanted to know if there is a viable all arround setup in which you can actually kill a megga. i dont need 90kin res if in the next belt a abbadon is waiting:)
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Donna Maria
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.06.10 05:07:00 -
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I would think against an armor tanked enemy, Exp damage is your friend.
Im the girl momma warned you about..
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Gabriel Karade
Celtic Anarchy Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.06.10 07:48:00 -
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Edited by: Gabriel Karade on 10/06/2007 07:50:39
Neutron II setup (2x 1600mm plates, EANM II, IFFA, 3xMFS) came out on top with 63% structure remaining.
Ion II setup with dual repairers (I had to cheat and fit a faction adaptive nano plating here to make it fit) came out on top with 20% structure remaining - one more volley of torpedoes would have finished it off.
Note:
This is a perfect Blasterthron û every area, weapons/drones/armour/shield/hull/propulsion/targeting/ e.t.c and it has both 5% implants (RoF/Hybrid damage)
The Raven could still be better - Minmatar Drone Spec. V, Combat Drone Operation V, Shield Management V, Rapid Launch V.
This is only a 20km engagement range. If Megathron drops out of warp 5km from you you're probably dead; a) because you really didn't see it coming (e.g. NPC'ing) and had the wrong torpedoes loaded, b) because you're going to get hit with a full burst of Blaster/Drone fire before you can react. If you start to increase this to 30km you're going to rapidly see it swing in the Raven's favour in all cases.
This is with a perfect response time on the Raven - stationary, with all hardeners active, launchers hot, drones deployed, auto target back 1 target.
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Gabriel Karade
Celtic Anarchy Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.06.10 07:50:00 -
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Edited by: Gabriel Karade on 10/06/2007 07:49:10
Originally by: Laboratus
Originally by: Gabriel Karade I just tested it
Can you run that test with both pilots having full pirate implant sets. Crystal for raven, slave for mega.
I'm just curious. thx in advance.
The Raven pilot unfortunately is lacking Cybernetics V. However, Crystal implants take the damage tanked from hybrids from 586/sec up to 900/sec, I'm quite certain the boosted buffer from Slave implants is not going to compensate for that. ----------
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madaluap
Gallente Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2007.06.10 08:54:00 -
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Edited by: madaluap on 10/06/2007 08:53:48 Strenght of raven doesnt lie (sp?) in the 1 vs 1 sector. Try 2 ravens vs 2 mega and both ravens are sitting 10 km from on another, this is possible because you can still sit within jumprange (on minmatar gates its even easier = 10 km+). There is no way the mega's can win.
btw this is with any (proper) setup the ravens field, ew+armortank, shieldtank. _________________________________________________ Breetime
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LUKEC
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.10 10:22:00 -
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Edited by: LUKEC on 10/06/2007 10:22:19
Originally by: madaluap Edited by: madaluap on 10/06/2007 08:53:48 Strenght of raven doesnt lie (sp?) in the 1 vs 1 sector. Try 2 ravens vs 2 mega and both ravens are sitting 10 km from on another, this is possible because you can still sit within jumprange (on minmatar gates its even easier = 10 km+). There is no way the mega's can win.
btw this is with any (proper) setup the ravens field, ew+armortank, shieldtank.
I'd engage 2 ravens alone and stay alive in 95% situations(something about web, scrambler and shield tanking, ew + armor tank is tricky but tends to either fail or make people tank long enough to jump). Thing with 2 ravens that are apart is that once one is dead you have getaway ticket and killing 1 raven while losing nothing is still win. EW ravens vs 2 throns at point blank... drones outdamage your ravens
Ravens have chance if they stay away from them(overdrives + damps) and have something like huggin/rapier to help. Apart from that... throns win as long as it's less than 4-5 ppl in gang. -------- I tanked D2 capital fleet and all I got was truncated Erebus mail.
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