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Macy Capham
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Posted - 2007.06.05 16:49:00 -
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I've noticed that EVE is frying my graphic card. I know I have a problem with the heat niveau in my computer, but still... I've played BF2 for several hours and not noticing that the card have been throttling down and the core temperature isnt above 100ŚC, but after 20 min of eve my FPS is reduced from 150-ish to 20-ish (in station) and the core temperature is above 127ŚC.
any suggestions?  Wasn't like this 6 months ago when i played constantly for several hours... Picture of THE HEAT!
btw
yes ive vacuumed the cooling element
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MrMeaner
Gallente
Love Glove Armada
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Posted - 2007.06.05 17:14:00 -
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Check that you don't have a process running wild, I had one that used to go to 300 when I played eve. I would have to restare every 2hrs or so.
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ABCmeltdown
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Posted - 2007.06.05 17:18:00 -
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remove the side case of you pc, and place a fan next to it. I do that and i can touch my videocard and it feels quite cool:)
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Gong
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Posted - 2007.06.05 17:19:00 -
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Edited by: Gong on 05/06/2007 17:20:19
Much too hot, if the temperature is shown quite correct. A few degree too much shorten the lifetime of a chip a lot.
Isn't the fan running ? If it's passive, I'd maybe install an extra fan , also if temperature in the case is too hot.
You could also switch v-sync on (change from interval immediate to interval one in the eve graphic options ). Then your FPS can't exceed the refreshrate of the monitor anymore, should take some stress from the graphics card (and also CPU). Dont know if it's a good idea with a TFT-monitor though, since they have really low refresh rates.
Besides that, you can't do much, maybe use a tool that allows you to adjust the speed of your graphics card and tune it a bit down.
Most sense makes to ensure that the graphics card is properly cooled. 127ŚC is too much. No wonder that it throttles down to prevent that the chip dies.
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Ryas Nia
Minmatar
Stormriders
Fimbulwinter
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Posted - 2007.06.05 17:19:00 -
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might also want to make sure your case is dust free. People are always shocked when they find out how much a little dust can increase your temperatures.
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Dorion Gray
Gallente
University of Caille
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Posted - 2007.06.05 17:20:00 -
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how can i monitor the heat on my comp ? 
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SirMolly
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Posted - 2007.06.05 17:22:00 -
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Your graphic card will die at temps > 120ŚC. 
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Marquis Dean
Demise and Vestige
9th Fleet
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Posted - 2007.06.05 17:24:00 -
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 Originally by: Dorion Gray
how can i monitor the heat on my comp ?
Some hardware comes with internal thermometers and the associated software hardwired, so you can look up the temp. of your gear. Unless you want to get excessively 'hands on' you have to get a piece of gear with one already built in.
Useful, but definitely not standard.
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Marquis Dean
Demise and Vestige
9th Fleet
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Posted - 2007.06.05 17:24:00 -
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You could also put your hand on it. Pain = bad.
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SirMolly
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Posted - 2007.06.05 17:26:00 -
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Originally by: Dorion Gray
how can i monitor the heat on my comp ?
If you have an ati card you can use ati tray tools to monitor the temprature ingame.
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Artthana
Minmatar
Acme Technologies Incorporated
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.06.05 17:27:00 -
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Originally by: Dorion Gray
how can i monitor the heat on my comp ?
Google EVEREST Home Edition 2.20 (not sure if I am allowed to link it) I like it.
It can definitely monitor CPU temp, not sure about VC temp.
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Judge Ment
ECMI
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Posted - 2007.06.05 17:29:00 -
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Good chance your card has already been FRIED. And why its not maintaining temperature. Sorry to say 
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Bistot Kid
The First Thing You'll Ever See
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Posted - 2007.06.05 17:41:00 -
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Just running up the login screen of Eve makes the fans inside my PC go nuts.
Not sure whether that's CPU / GFX or case fans, but there's something odd about Eve, as it doesn't happen with any other software.
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Macy Capham
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Posted - 2007.06.05 17:46:00 -
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uhm... I'll clean the heat sink on the card again then. Downloaded ABITEQ and my system and cpu temperature looks just fine. It seems like the air around the gfx card is very hot comparing to the system temp (61ŚC around GFX card and 37ŚC system temp).
perhaps there's a way to override the dynamic fan speed thingy, and just let them go full speed constantly?
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.06.05 17:49:00 -
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Wait, 127 Celcius? That doesn't even sound possible! I strongly suggest getting a new cooler for your card.
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lofty29
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.06.05 17:55:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Wait, 127 Celcius? That doesn't even sound possible! I strongly suggest getting a new cooler for your card.
Oh phht. I was using my Nitro RC the other day, and I'd leaned the fuel mix a little bit. 295 degrees and its not meant to pass 120 
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MissileRus
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Posted - 2007.06.05 17:57:00 -
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Edited by: MissileRus on 05/06/2007 18:04:38
Edited by: MissileRus on 05/06/2007 18:00:18
Edited by: MissileRus on 05/06/2007 17:57:43
Originally by: SirMolly
Your graphic card will die at temps > 120ŚC.
my FX card (5600 or whatever) got over 143c and survived  i was experimenting with peltiers and the heatsink kinda fell of...
didnt notice it and played a game for quite some time, then i got curruption on the screen, tabbed out of the game and was my temp on speedfan tabbed in again and the comp froze.
turned it off, slapped on the heatsink propperly, booted up and in windows it was stil 90c in the Nvidia control panel and speedfan 
i miss the old nice temp monitor and old control panel i had then..
my FX card had a coldbug kinda so if it got cooler then 12c the comp froze.. had to run the peltier at 5volt was nice and cool 20c max load about 15c idle
12volt and there was frost on the other side of the card hehe! was only a 80watt pelt or something i think but anyway...
those old cards hardly got warm..
peltiers became obsolete and in came phase change! 
edit: i doubt those cheap temp sensors in the cards were "exact" but it sure got hot 
edit2: i suggest checking so your fan/heatsink are ok, all i can think of...
edit3: kinda missed you had checked it.. "most" GPUs has a fail safe temp where they power down, ranging from 130-150c. good luck solving this wierd problem.
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Hllaxiu
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.06.05 18:00:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Wait, 127 Celcius? That doesn't even sound possible! I strongly suggest getting a new cooler for your card.
127 = 128-1 = maximum size you can represent in unsigned 7bits, or signed 8bits. I'm guessing its a broken sensor, especially since the processor should heat trip before then.
Of course, be certain that your fans are working and there is air moving through the case and so forth. The sensor is reading off scale high after all!
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sesanti
Minmatar
Universal Exports
Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.06.05 18:10:00 -
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Originally by: Hllaxiu
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Wait, 127 Celcius? That doesn't even sound possible! I strongly suggest getting a new cooler for your card.
127 = 128-1 = maximum size you can represent in unsigned 7bits, or signed 8bits. I'm guessing its a broken sensor, especially since the processor should heat trip before then.
Of course, be certain that your fans are working and there is air moving through the case and so forth. The sensor is reading off scale high after all!
My Nvidia NTUNE tells me my GPU generally go at around 70ŚC.
And my motherboard / CPU tops at 50ŚC... Even though sometimes i can smell something a bit... ackward... Any chanc the temp I am being shown is not the correct one? Surely they can't all 3 be wrong, i think...
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Macy Capham
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Posted - 2007.06.05 18:12:00 -
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Thanks all for trying to help
I restarted the computer went into BIOS and checked the PC Health section. Everything looked like ABITEQ said, so i quit pressing quit without saving. Then the computer rebooted and it made this abulance noice.. It was like BBAA BOOOO BAAAA BOOO and i paniced and turned it off. Now im on my laptop afraid that my computer is FUBAR 
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MissileRus
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Posted - 2007.06.05 18:16:00 -
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70c can be very normal, atleast if its a newer grafix card. 8800GTS is around that temp, maybe bit lower, and the new AMD/ATI cards like getting to 80c+
so it depends on the age of your card Sesanti 
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Xrak
Black Eclipse Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.05 18:19:00 -
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http://www.techpowerup.com/atitool/
Good tool for monitoring and tinkering with GPU.
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Hllaxiu
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.06.05 18:28:00 -
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Edited by: Hllaxiu on 05/06/2007 18:32:59
Edited by: Hllaxiu on 05/06/2007 18:27:40
Originally by: sesanti
My Nvidia NTUNE tells me my GPU generally go at around 70ŚC.
And my motherboard / CPU tops at 50ŚC... Even though sometimes i can smell something a bit... ackward... Any chanc the temp I am being shown is not the correct one? Surely they can't all 3 be wrong, i think...
70C is probably right, and is somewhat reasonable for a modern graphics card (yes, it seems hot, but thats what they read anyways). 50 for the cpu is warm, but not that unreasonable, 50 for the motherboard/ambient is very hot and could be an issue, but probably won't harm anything in the near term - probably some sort of cooling problem there.
(I need to pay more attention, this relates to the OP, not you, and after reading the post after yours, maybe not)
If you are not using software that is intended for your graphics card/motherboard/etc. you may get erroneous readings due to a variety of reasons. My guess at what happened here is that the one piece of software is looking at the wrong address for a temp sensor (ie, it didn't correctly detect your graphics card/drivers/or any other number of things) and is reading a byte full of 1's or some other garbage. Its probably fine, but open up the case and see that everything is in order just to be safe (so long as you know what you're doing!).
(typical interweb disclaimer: IANAEE, got 3 semesters left)
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Aindrias
Amarr
Fomus-Amarr Industrial
Novus Ordos Seclorum
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Posted - 2007.06.05 18:31:00 -
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Eve is frying my brain =-(
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MissileRus
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Posted - 2007.06.05 18:32:00 -
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Originally by: Aindrias
Eve is frying my brain =-(
your way behind me...
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sesanti
Minmatar
Universal Exports
Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.06.05 18:33:00 -
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Originally by: Hllaxiu
Edited by: Hllaxiu on 05/06/2007 18:27:40
Originally by: sesanti
My Nvidia NTUNE tells me my GPU generally go at around 70ŚC.
And my motherboard / CPU tops at 50ŚC... Even though sometimes i can smell something a bit... ackward... Any chanc the temp I am being shown is not the correct one? Surely they can't all 3 be wrong, i think...
70C is probably right, and is somewhat reasonable for a modern graphics card (yes, it seems hot, but thats what they read anyways).
If you are not using software that is intended for your graphics card/motherboard/etc. you may get erroneous readings due to a variety of reasons. My guess at what happened here is that the one piece of software is looking at the wrong address for a temp sensor (ie, it didn't correctly detect your graphics card/drivers/or any other number of things) and is reading a byte full of 1's or some other garbage. Its probably fine, but open up the case and see that everything is in order just to be safe (so long as you know what you're doing!).
(typical interweb disclaimer: IANAEE, got 3 semesters left)
Yeah, i have the case open at all times, not for the heat but because nothing fits inside, I even have a couple of Hard disks on the outside (but not the external hard disks type ).
Nah, the soft. i am using is the correct one i believe, ASUS motherboard with ASUS probe and Asus Nvidia-based videocard with Nvidia Ntune.
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Tyd Drakken
CyberDyne Industries
Terror In The System
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Posted - 2007.06.05 18:45:00 -
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i have gone threw 2 video cards between eve and BF2
a 5200 old , and a 6600 gt was nice , now on a 7850 gs i think its called or it just might be a 7800 gs 256
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Inflicted
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Posted - 2007.06.05 18:47:00 -
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Take out your card and clean it. You probably have dust built up near the fan/heatsink area so it can't cool properly. Unscrew the little screws over the fan/sink of the video card and clean it.
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Ralara
Caldari
Exanimo Inc
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.06.05 19:50:00 -
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Originally by: Dorion Gray
how can i monitor the heat on my comp ?
http://www.almico.com/speedfan.php
very handy little tool that lets you change your pc's fans in 5% increments, reports on temperature and all sorts. I couldnt live without it.
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Ralara
Caldari
Exanimo Inc
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.06.05 19:53:00 -
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Originally by: Macy Capham
Thanks all for trying to help
I restarted the computer went into BIOS and checked the PC Health section. Everything looked like ABITEQ said, so i quit pressing quit without saving. Then the computer rebooted and it made this abulance noice.. It was like BBAA BOOOO BAAAA BOOO and i paniced and turned it off. Now im on my laptop afraid that my computer is FUBAR
that's the temperature alarm :)
mine does it sometimes when the cpu reaches over 75 degrees. fear not. Just give it 15 mins and turn it on again. Try not to run it so hot.
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l3lind Man
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Posted - 2007.06.05 20:08:00 -
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yeah I would be checking for dust, HS misplacement, old hs compound if I saw temps above 80 degrees.. my x850 never goes over 62-63 (aftermarket heatsink tho)
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Trind2222
Amarr
Dark-Rising
Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2007.06.05 20:17:00 -
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Here some more help claen you fan once a month you can get it colder other solusion
if you have old graphic car replace it or if new buy a new fan whit more cooling ablity.
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Pilok Shitfly
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.06.05 20:21:00 -
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Originally by: Inflicted
Take out your card and clean it. You probably have dust built up near the fan/heatsink area so it can't cool properly. Unscrew the little screws over the fan/sink of the video card and clean it.
This helped with my problem,i had the same "BBAA BOOOO BAAAA BOOO" like the op when i restarted my pc.
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Janu Hull
Caldari
Order of Z Industries
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Posted - 2007.06.05 20:40:00 -
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I was getting graphic card overloads about once a week. Then the last time I vaccuumed my room, I also did the vent covers for my CPU tower and fully blasted the interior with compressed air.
My x1600 Pro cruises along in EVE right around the 65C mark now.
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Macy Capham
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Posted - 2007.06.05 20:47:00 -
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allright, i'll clean it tomorrow. thanks alot
you'll be in my prayer tonight
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Kyden
Gallente
Path of Light
Hell Hounds
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Posted - 2007.06.05 20:55:00 -
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Originally by: Artthana
Originally by: Dorion Gray
how can i monitor the heat on my comp ?
Google EVEREST Home Edition 2.20 (not sure if I am allowed to link it) I like it.
It can definitely monitor CPU temp, not sure about VC temp.
Everest monitors all temps, very good program to use
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Lab Technician071548
Perkone
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Posted - 2007.06.05 21:11:00 -
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There's a slot fan you can buy that blows up onto the video card. Do a search on slot fan at your top three favorite large, well known on-line dealers and you should be able to find it.
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Gelto
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Posted - 2007.06.05 22:19:00 -
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i got no end of fans in my machine one in my cd-rom bays 3 in my case and a massive adjustable speed one on my cpu and the on on my graphics card lol it keeps my room nice and cool
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Koi Yokuma
Praetorian BlackGuard
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Posted - 2007.06.05 22:24:00 -
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Originally by: ABCmeltdown
remove the side case of you pc, and place a fan next to it. I do that and i can touch my videocard and it feels quite cool:)
Yeah, blow dust and crap onto your hardware, I hear that's an awesome way to increase overall performance. 
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Liang Nuren
The Refugees
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Posted - 2007.06.05 22:32:00 -
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I just ended up buying a new PC, mostly due to Eve.
Eve is *very* CPU intensive. Opening up Eve (even the login page) would instantly peg my CPU to 100%, and it would not go down. This happens on every single core PC I've had the misfortune of thinking of running Eve on.
Eve has fine performance this way - but nothing else does. Setting Eve to have low priority helped some, and keeping another window focused most of the time worked fine for lowering the CPU usage. (Focus increases priority of a process in Windows). I could even run two Eve's (albeit, somewhat slowly), and both would perform equally.
In the end, after quite a bit of testing, I'm confident that there's something in the Eve client that makes it use 100% of its "allowable" CPU while it's running. I've seen some of the software that I've written do this, so I think there's something wrong with the current graphics engine.
Hopefully, with the new graphics engine, they fix this .... because it's very, very stupid.
Mark
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Emperor D'Hoffryn
No Quarter.
Vae Victis.
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Posted - 2007.06.05 23:08:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
I just ended up buying a new PC, mostly due to Eve.
Eve is *very* CPU intensive. Opening up Eve (even the login page) would instantly peg my CPU to 100%, and it would not go down. This happens on every single core PC I've had the misfortune of thinking of running Eve on.
Eve has fine performance this way - but nothing else does. Setting Eve to have low priority helped some, and keeping another window focused most of the time worked fine for lowering the CPU usage. (Focus increases priority of a process in Windows). I could even run two Eve's (albeit, somewhat slowly), and both would perform equally.
In the end, after quite a bit of testing, I'm confident that there's something in the Eve client that makes it use 100% of its "allowable" CPU while it's running. I've seen some of the software that I've written do this, so I think there's something wrong with the current graphics engine.
Hopefully, with the new graphics engine, they fix this .... because it's very, very stupid.
Mark
is your v-sync turned off? without something like v-sync to limit it, every game will render as many frames as it can, and this is always result in 100% cpu usuage all the time.
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