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Sc0rpion
Archer Daniels Midland
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Posted - 2007.06.06 05:45:00 -
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Originally by: Kehmor Stuff
A friend of mine wants to interview you for a radio program.
The true secret to enjoying life is to live it dangerously. -Friedrich Nietzsche
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Dopple
Minmatar Blueprint Haus Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.06 05:54:00 -
[32]
Yes I agree.
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Dopefish
Amarr Quad and Fish
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Posted - 2007.06.06 06:10:00 -
[33]
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Territorial gameplay bored us before BoB.
It will continue to bore us after BoB.
fix'd
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Sakura Nihil
Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.06.06 06:15:00 -
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Honestly, BoB is just an alliance like any other. Give it the goal of maintaining all of 0.0, quelling pet uprisings, maintaining internal member satisfaction, defending its empire borders against motivated agressors, and it will not last forever.
Granted, if it achieved this goal, its to be commended as it would be first, but ultimately it will not last. Just as Rome fell, so too will the Band, so please stop whining about how it is the "end of time" or whatever nonsense is the rhetorical flavor of the month this time. Relax, have a good fight, and as one of the timers ingame says "Just relax and wait for the bang."
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Silver Night
Caldari Intergalactic Combined Technologies THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY
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Posted - 2007.06.06 06:30:00 -
[35]
As a total outsider to all this, but someone who has followed this game for a good long time, everyone who goes on about BoB ruining the game misses one important thing, and it is related to what Kehmor is talking about.
They all assume that if BoB conquers 0.0, they will sit on it.
I think, looking at the history of BoB in particular and alliances in general, this isn't the most intelligent assumption. If they succeed, and I'm not the first to say this, it will mean a standing reset. BoB exists to PvP. It is composed of, whether you like them or not, relatively intelligent people. Can anyone really tell me they believe that they would be happy as landlords when they can drop it all and go back to the excitement of armed robbery writ large any time they want?
BoB enjoys being the evil empire, but they have to have someone to fight, and they will always make damn sure they do have someone to fight. End of story.
I agree that they are the catalyst that helps keep 0.0 politics moving at such an epic level too.
Incidentally, welcome back Kehmor. --------------
Director. GLS Mr. State Caldari Patriot. Murderer of (his own) Frigates.
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Kyrie Elaison
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2007.06.06 07:26:00 -
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tl;dr
Wipe your chin.
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Rex Mundus
League of Gentlemen
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Posted - 2007.06.06 07:30:00 -
[37]
One sided battle reports doesn't interest everybody.
If Band of Brothers had a worthy opponent then what you say may have merit. But as they don't, BoB are merely the top dog overseeing Eves slide into a PvE based game. If BoB didn't smack so hard about their victories then 'powerful' alliances comprising of thousands of players could disappear over night and most people wouldn't even notice.
Since I've joined Eve it has become more PvE focussed, PvP is less interesting, being more and more blob based which doesn't suit everybody - some would prefer to make a real difference rather than just be surplus DPS that anybody could supply. Consequently more and more of my friends quit.
Rex
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Addicus Zed
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.06 07:43:00 -
[38]
/me waves at Kehmor
It's been a while since i saw you in space :)
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Evil Pookie
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2007.06.06 08:01:00 -
[39]
The Movement, more like Bowel Movement amirite?
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Fire Hawk
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.06 08:05:00 -
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Great posts here.
Most of the pilots who whine about BoB agressive style are the ones who want to split their game experience by 99% farm, 1% gank stuff (if it's not 100% farm).
People just underestimate the fact that if there is no alliances like our (BoB is not the only 0.0 alliance in the game), the game would die.
PvP is what keep eve alive. Politics is what keep pvp alive. PvP is what keep industry alive... Eve will never end, until we take of one of those.
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Gabba
The Three Hundred
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Posted - 2007.06.06 08:30:00 -
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Your right, PVP is what keeps EVE alive, metagaming is what will destroy it. BoB is reaching new high's all the time Seriously, im glad BoB took this new direction, doesnt look like you guys are metagaming as much anymore, but it too has helped you get where you are now, its not something i would be proud of tho.
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.06.06 08:48:00 -
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Originally by: Fire Hawk Great posts here.
Most of the pilots who whine about BoB agressive style are the ones who want to split their game experience by 99% farm, 1% gank stuff (if it's not 100% farm).
People just underestimate the fact that if there is no alliances like our (BoB is not the only 0.0 alliance in the game), the game would die.
PvP is what keep eve alive. Politics is what keep pvp alive. PvP is what keep industry alive... Eve will never end, until we take of one of those.
I wonder how you breathe with your head stuck so far up your own ass.
Yes, PvP is what makes EVE alive. But when I think of pure, no holds barred PvP, corps like Outbreak and alliance like Triumvirate spring to mind much more than BoB. Your metagaming (teamspeak spies, forum spies, character assassinations, devising strategies to kill titans offline) is what turns many good players off from this game. And the sad thing is, I'm pretty sure you don't even need that to win.
------------------------------------------------ Murphy's Golden Rule: Whoever has the gold, makes the rules.
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DeckardIRL
Setenta Corp Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.06 09:01:00 -
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BoB has not been the biggest alliance, but BoB is by far the most organised with pilots dedicated to the cause. Isk is of NO personal value to the pilots of BoB.
Isk is what nearly everyone else in the game thinks about..... Isk to BoB is about supplying their pilots with the best ships they can.
When other people start to realise this, then someone will be able to compete effectively with BoB.
Deck _____________________________________________ Xelas Fleet Admiral
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Jaakar Eldaris
Caldari Prophets Of a Damned Universe
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Posted - 2007.06.06 09:05:00 -
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Originally by: Red Crown You are either very misguided or very much a fanboi.
True, in many ways the galaxy had ground to somewhat of a halt with their either being small wars or the slowly progressing RA-GOON vs. LV bit. BoB did indeed accelerate the galaxy into a massive conflict.
To what end...
"Live free or die."
So what happens after we're all paying rent to our new BoB overlords? We uh....um...to use your term, ***** ISK and roam in gangs accomplishing no strategic goals.
I can't tell you how long BoB will hold together "once BoB wins", I don't know much of how they work internally. But I'm telling you, the true spirit of Eve involves more than working out regional struggles whilst under the watchfully father knows best and will crush you if he feels like it eye of BoB.
I could go on for a few more paragraphs how a dominant figure in a PvP society such as BoB is bad for any game, and compounded for Eve due to the 'SP Gap' that can never be solved, but you can extrapelate on that if you so choose.
In other news, I , for one, welcome our new BoB overlords.
It's a game of strategy, if not one of under-handedness. Let's say BoB takes over 0.0 entirely, and everyone is paying rent.
What's to say that the renters won't sit around and build isk and eventually band together in revolt against BoB, and succeed.
People are sitting around and whining because its too hard for them to beat the other guy.
If you wish BoB were dead so bad, you should've been killing one while you were typing up your posts.
They're trying harder than you. They're more organized. They have bigger guns.
Fix it.
The game is open ended for a reason, we all collectively decide what happens.If BoB wins, it's everyone else's fault for losing. Let the conspiracy theories fly. Ever heard the phrase "blown out of proportion"?
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Etho Demerzel
Gallente Holy Clan of the Cone
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Posted - 2007.06.06 09:31:00 -
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Edited by: Etho Demerzel on 06/06/2007 09:32:08 Edited by: Etho Demerzel on 06/06/2007 09:31:33 Edited by: Etho Demerzel on 06/06/2007 09:30:34
Originally by: Lord XSiV Structure and order will always win. Human beings are just that way. Eve is no different.
Actually for the most part of humanity's history chaos and numbers were much more successfull than structure and order. And in Eve that would happen too. If not by the limitations (proposital or not) of the game engine.
And one last thing. Cut "the cream of the crop" bull****. Only a complete ******** wouldn't win when every advantage is on their side. It is like a chess game where you start with queens in the place of your peons and after beating your opponent you try to say how better you are.
Considering how long they play and that they never played against opponents with the same resources in an even playfield, no the playground is not balanced. The balance is ridiculously offset to the side of an alliance that has as its only merit the fact that they started to play first and got "friends" within the game staff.
Bob does not like challenges. Bob does not like to fight. Bob likes to win. And if they don't have to fight so much better. That makes them the most self-dellusional losers I have ever seen, because they really believe they are something when anyone with half a br ain and the same resources (and contacts) would achieve the same or better results...
If Eve is remembered in the future Bob will have achieved the infamous role of being the NPCs of the game. Because that is what they are, in the same way as ISD. A CCP sponsored faction, even if you don't believe in the allegations of irregularity. And I am not even saying anythign about cheating. Only by the normal ridiculous advantages they get for having started to play before most people and for having stayed. There should be a limit for how much money could carry you on this game. After this limit numbers, strategy and dedication should be the predominant factor in conquests. Unfortunately that is not the case in Eve. Faction, deadspace and officer equipment, supercapitals, POS spam, T2 bpos and the power of finalcial superiority give too many advantages in this game. While this is not addressed even a 10 years old could win with those advantages against those who do not have them...
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King Leonidas
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.06 09:38:00 -
[46]
Edited by: King Leonidas on 06/06/2007 09:36:52
King
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Crohnx
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.06 10:11:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Etho Demerzel
Bob does not like challenges. Bob does not like to fight.
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Tzrailasa
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.06 10:14:00 -
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Originally by: Crohnx
Originally by: Etho Demerzel Bob does not like challenges. Bob does not like to fight.
Yeah, I guess us not wanting to fight was why we chose to fight the whole north and south at the same time
...some people does have weird types of logic...
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Darcuese
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.06 10:19:00 -
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Originally by: Malachon Draco
Originally by: Fire Hawk Great posts here.
Most of the pilots who whine about BoB agressive style are the ones who want to split their game experience by 99% farm, 1% gank stuff (if it's not 100% farm).
People just underestimate the fact that if there is no alliances like our (BoB is not the only 0.0 alliance in the game), the game would die.
PvP is what keep eve alive. Politics is what keep pvp alive. PvP is what keep industry alive... Eve will never end, until we take of one of those.
I wonder how you breathe with your head stuck so far up your own ass.
Yes, PvP is what makes EVE alive. But when I think of pure, no holds barred PvP, corps like Outbreak and alliance like Triumvirate spring to mind much more than BoB. Your metagaming (teamspeak spies, forum spies, character assassinations, devising strategies to kill titans offline) is what turns many good players off from this game. And the sad thing is, I'm pretty sure you don't even need that to win.
Malachon Draco.....
Have you ever considered to chill out a bit with repeating same old stuff over and over again?
I mean, do you honestly think this sort of attitude will help you to find pilots willing to fly and fight next to you against BOB?
You really think all type of excusses and whining is something that will motivate ppl?
Here is a tip....even if you would be 100% right, if all your words would be 100% true.....it will be annoying over time if you dont change aproach.
And beliave me...others will confirm....I have my own sins regarding whining about some subjects me, myself and I ------> |
Mattduk
Gallente Universal Army
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Posted - 2007.06.06 10:21:00 -
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Originally by: Kehmor Edited by: Kehmor on 06/06/2007 00:29:59 Well I'm bored so I'm going to break trend from the ussual pitiful whinings I witness on this section of the forums, about the travesty of an alliance actualy achieving PVP goals as apposed to whoring complexes and the like. Recently a disgusting number of posts have cropped up claiming that BoB are ruining the game and "once they conquer all 0.0 everyone will quit." I will ignore, for the moment, the idiocy of these claims and put it to you that BoB are actually saving a potentially very boring aspect of the game. 0.0 wars.
What other alliance so frequently agresses and provokes. With the introduction of capital ships, player owned stations and the like, wars take a huge amount of organisation, and it is BoB leading other alliances in the continuation of the large scale conflicts of eve, despite the logistical nightmare they present. While other corps, alliances, etc. would be more than content warring for a few months or even weeks before returning to the dull safety of whoring isk, BoB not only punish this behaviour but also provoke others so much that they want to fight.
So thank you BoB for giving me something to read about in the morning and taking eve in it's true spirit.
P.S. No, I'm not a BoB alt, or a GM, or a dev, or a BoB pet nor even a fanboi. My last relations with BoB were all hostile though I must admit far from extensive. To be honest I haven't had anything to do with 0.0 politics for well over a year, which is the way I like it. Flame away kids.
Someone's looking for standings ;)
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hantwo
S.A.S Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2007.06.06 10:28:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Kehmor
Originally by: Attak Thanks but no thanks. BoB trying to eliminate 0.0 territorial gameplay for other players is not a service. When I want someone else to choose my playstyle for me, I'll go play WoW.
It has been said many times, eve is a game about PVP. So actually BoB provide the territorial gameplay.
Territorial gameplay existed before BoB.
It will continue to exist after BoB.
abit like FIX no wait umm....
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Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.06.06 10:30:00 -
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Originally by: Dopefish
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Territorial gameplay bored us before BoB.
It will continue to bore us after BoB.
fix'd
Actually sadly enough that seems just as correct
--23 Member--
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Remmington Daniels
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.06 10:34:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Rajon Kelper
Originally by: Scum Killer What will they do with nothing left to shoot?
There will aways be something to shoot.
like RKK
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Rudy Metallo
Crimson Squall Molotov Coalition
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Posted - 2007.06.06 10:46:00 -
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Had any of you ever considered that by "conquer all of 0.0" BoB might not have meant "try to hold it all at once"?
They've conquered the north, and the west, but they did not try to hold both of those vast expanses at once. Now they are moving south.
BoB wouldn't want to be the only .0 alliance because it would deprive them of their pewpew, and their politics. They like a good fight just as much as the next person. All this doomsday talk is nonsense. Do you really think all BoB want to do all day is Quote: ***** ISK and roam in gangs accomplishing no strategic goals.
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Lou Ping
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Posted - 2007.06.06 10:59:00 -
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ok players join BoB to fight. We only take regions so we can lease then to make isk, to supply our war efforts.
The adranaline pump that i get when a BoB gang is about to jump into a camp that they know outnumbers them, I cant describe. Every BoB pilot knows that he may loose his ship or implants and excepts it.
Fleet commanders have often asked players to jump into situations that would be certain death. Only they get back is a "roger that". No moaning about, oh im gonna die.
With out conflict do you think isk whoring in 0.0 would have any value? All it would be is a bunch of numbers on a screen.
BoB will never get into a position when there is no one left to fight, because that would mean bob pilots would have no incentive to play to game.
Conflict is one of the corner stones of the game. We respect any corp alliance who fights with honour and distinction.
BoB can be summed up in our unoffical slogan
"Always outnumbered, never outgunned".
In conclusion, any corp/alliance who wants a stand up fight, bring it on.
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Kal'Kalagan
Aggressive Tendencies
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Posted - 2007.06.06 10:59:00 -
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Edited by: Kal''Kalagan on 06/06/2007 10:58:15 If all those that whined about BoB runing their gameplay actually carried out their threats and left to play WoW then maybe there would not be so much lag and we'd all have a better game experience.
Bob are proving themselves against all comers and should be respected for their organisation and achievements. But as with all empires they will eventually fall, disband, fade.... nothing lasts forever so stop all the doomsday crap!
Saying this I am looking forward to shooting at them when they enter my part of EVE.
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Glitch 10240
Rage Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.06.06 11:03:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Kehmor Edited by: Kehmor on 06/06/2007 00:29:59 Well I'm bored so I'm going to break trend from the ussual pitiful whinings I witness on this section of the forums, about the travesty of an alliance actualy achieving PVP goals as apposed to whoring complexes and the like. Recently a disgusting number of posts have cropped up claiming that BoB are ruining the game and "once they conquer all 0.0 everyone will quit." I will ignore, for the moment, the idiocy of these claims and put it to you that BoB are actually saving a potentially very boring aspect of the game. 0.0 wars.
What other alliance so frequently agresses and provokes. With the introduction of capital ships, player owned stations and the like, wars take a huge amount of organisation, and it is BoB leading other alliances in the continuation of the large scale conflicts of eve, despite the logistical nightmare they present. While other corps, alliances, etc. would be more than content warring for a few months or even weeks before returning to the dull safety of whoring isk, BoB not only punish this behaviour but also provoke others so much that they want to fight.
So thank you BoB for giving me something to read about in the morning and taking eve in it's true spirit.
P.S. No, I'm not a BoB alt, or a GM, or a dev, or a BoB pet nor even a fanboi. My last relations with BoB were all hostile though I must admit far from extensive. To be honest I haven't had anything to do with 0.0 politics for well over a year, which is the way I like it. Flame away kids.
I'll give it to you m8, thats a very unique attitude. In fairness you have to respect bob for what they achieve. I just think they are a bit 'too' big, but yea definitley makes an interesting game, its alot like real life war, there is always one superpower -------------------------------- Recruitment Post
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Phelaen
Under the Wings of Fury
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Posted - 2007.06.06 11:14:00 -
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Originally by: Kehmor Edited by: Kehmor on 06/06/2007 00:29:59 Well I'm bored so I'm going to break trend from the ussual pitiful whinings I witness on this section of the forums, about the travesty of an alliance actualy achieving PVP goals as apposed to whoring complexes and the like. Recently a disgusting number of posts have cropped up claiming that BoB are ruining the game and "once they conquer all 0.0 everyone will quit." I will ignore, for the moment, the idiocy of these claims and put it to you that BoB are actually saving a potentially very boring aspect of the game. 0.0 wars.
What other alliance so frequently agresses and provokes. With the introduction of capital ships, player owned stations and the like, wars take a huge amount of organisation, and it is BoB leading other alliances in the continuation of the large scale conflicts of eve, despite the logistical nightmare they present. While other corps, alliances, etc. would be more than content warring for a few months or even weeks before returning to the dull safety of whoring isk, BoB not only punish this behaviour but also provoke others so much that they want to fight.
So thank you BoB for giving me something to read about in the morning and taking eve in it's true spirit.
P.S. No, I'm not a BoB alt, or a GM, or a dev, or a BoB pet nor even a fanboi. My last relations with BoB were all hostile though I must admit far from extensive. To be honest I haven't had anything to do with 0.0 politics for well over a year, which is the way I like it. Flame away kids.
i agree, but unfortunately its human nature to whine and moan... Funny how outsiders (not directly involved in the big war) are only allowed to be negative about BoB. its like sheep herding sheep, so amusing.. i have no doubt that BoB will fall at some point. alliances come and go, such is Life. worrying about something that might happen is a complete waste of time. The really bad things that will happen are always the things that hit you unexpected, things you never worried about before.. so stop worrying, have a beer and laugh and for the love of god just enjoy the game...
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Aya
Asguard Security Service Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.06.06 11:14:00 -
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According to BoB recruitment you need like 20M SP and 2 friends that can back you. How else to make friends then ass kiss them on the forums so when he goes to apply a few people will say "I know him, he gave me a rusty trombone in the eve-o forums once." Please this is nothing more than a "CAN I JOIN BOB" thread. It fails move on
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.06.06 11:15:00 -
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Originally by: Darcuese
Originally by: Malachon Draco
Originally by: Fire Hawk Great posts here.
Most of the pilots who whine about BoB agressive style are the ones who want to split their game experience by 99% farm, 1% gank stuff (if it's not 100% farm).
People just underestimate the fact that if there is no alliances like our (BoB is not the only 0.0 alliance in the game), the game would die.
PvP is what keep eve alive. Politics is what keep pvp alive. PvP is what keep industry alive... Eve will never end, until we take of one of those.
I wonder how you breathe with your head stuck so far up your own ass.
Yes, PvP is what makes EVE alive. But when I think of pure, no holds barred PvP, corps like Outbreak and alliance like Triumvirate spring to mind much more than BoB. Your metagaming (teamspeak spies, forum spies, character assassinations, devising strategies to kill titans offline) is what turns many good players off from this game. And the sad thing is, I'm pretty sure you don't even need that to win.
Malachon Draco.....
Have you ever considered to chill out a bit with repeating same old stuff over and over again?
I mean, do you honestly think this sort of attitude will help you to find pilots willing to fly and fight next to you against BOB?
You really think all type of excusses and whining is something that will motivate ppl?
Here is a tip....even if you would be 100% right, if all your words would be 100% true.....it will be annoying over time if you dont change aproach.
And beliave me...others will confirm....I have my own sins regarding whining about some subjects
First of all, I suggest you learn how to read. If I quote myself here:"And the sad thing is, I'm pretty sure you don't even need that to win.", how is that making excuses? The way I read my post is: BoB is winning because they play the game better than their opponents, too bad they feel they have to act like ****heads while doing it".
Secondly, I suggest you make a difference between these forums and the game. What I say on these forums has nothing to do with how I act ingame, the focus is completely different.
Thirdly, if you had lost as many friends in the game (as in, they stopped playing) as I did over all this kinda crap, you might get a little upset every now and again as well.
------------------------------------------------ Murphy's Golden Rule: Whoever has the gold, makes the rules.
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