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Artegg
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Posted - 2004.01.12 17:30:00 -
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You know the idea of having to fight the old NVA if I wanted to go up to Venal is very odd.
Maud you will never have to Fight the old NVA you are a friend of many people up here and i hope it stays that way
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.01.12 17:35:00 -
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Its worth remembering Darth that these teamspeak discussions apparently contained detail of the Foresaken Empire demand that JF be ejected from the alliance as a precondition to the merger. Knowing fullwell that the price of negotiating a conclusion with these people was the sellout of an allied corp, the teamspeak negotiating team nonetheless considered the meeting a success, and returned to normal NVA channels reporting all their hopes for a bright and bountiful future.
Also, Gafton has been pretty frank in his statements elsewhere on these forums that in his opinion council democracy doesn't work and any kind of spying and dictatorship snap decision-making is valid in the cause of change and evolution.
Thats fine as a ideological paradigm, but it does make a sensible chap think twice at placing any value on the promises made now, and the agreements currently being offered.
Lets face it.
We had the stone cold protection of the charter all these people signed, yet it was discarded in a moment because of an extremely limited focus teamspeak discussion in US hours.
All else spoken by the TinA clique on this issue is nonsense and misdirection on the whole.
They are trying desperately to forget that they acted like dishonourable snakes shedding democratic skins for political convenience and mining wealth.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.01.12 17:38:00 -
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Jade as you have posted a link to the NVA forums i will post a link here that people can see i will state now that this log has not been edited at all.
link to chat
form your own judgements people from that.
AS you can see i told them a few times that i would teach Maud how to fined the hidden belts but my offer was not accepted.
Unsurprisingly Artegg, that is an editted log. You have snipped off the beginning and the end of that discussion?
Why did you do that?
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KIAHicks
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Posted - 2004.01.12 17:40:00 -
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Edited by: KIAHicks on 12/01/2004 17:41:26
That log is the exact log I posted on our internal forums. Feel free to post the beginning and end if you beleive their missing. However I can vouch 100% that that log is the same as I posted. It matches the log I have on my own private webspace 100%
Keenon: "After sitting in the system for FIVE hours without even a (go away)"...
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.01.12 17:42:00 -
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ummmm I have already posted the complete log.
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KIAHicks
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Posted - 2004.01.12 17:42:00 -
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Edited by: KIAHicks on 12/01/2004 17:43:23
Although that said, if you intend to post the beginning and end, I think we need to let artegg read through it just in case you decide to "edit" it. After all, if you cannot trust us, why should we trust you.
Your log is on a forum people have to sign up to view. Many may not want to. Feel free to post it on an open space.
Keenon: "After sitting in the system for FIVE hours without even a (go away)"...
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.01.12 17:43:00 -
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its already posted and has been since the discussion took place.
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KIAEddZ
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Posted - 2004.01.12 17:43:00 -
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Edited by: KIAEddZ on 12/01/2004 17:45:30
Err and thats relevant because?
Arteg is hardly gonna post other peoples conversations?
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=176347
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.01.12 17:45:00 -
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the sign up process is automatic and requires no moderator invention for access to the level at which the log is posted.
that will have to do.
If people care about the issue (or are just curious) I'm sure they won't mind.
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Artegg
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Posted - 2004.01.12 17:47:00 -
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Jade as you have posted a link to the NVA forums i will post a link here that people can see i will state now that this log has not been edited at all.
link to chat
form your own judgements people from that.
AS you can see i told them a few times that i would teach Maud how to fined the hidden belts but my offer was not accepted.
Unsurprisingly Artegg, that is an editted log. You have snipped off the beginning and the end of that discussion?
Why did you do that?
Jade you wanted to post the the link of our chat which is what i did the bit that is missing off the top was you talking to bitachy if you want to post a convo with him feel free but that is not important what is important is the convo between you and me.
As you stated the bottom of the convo is missing that is because i changed to D'art to get some stuff done.
so if it will make you feel better is the rest of it
[ 2004.01.09 15:38:46 ] Jade Constantine > truth to tell
[ 2004.01.09 15:38:52 ] Jade Constantine > we will not see eye to eye
[ 2004.01.09 15:40:19 ] Jade Constantine > this conversation is a prime example of the gulf that splits this alliance from top to bottom
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.01.12 17:49:00 -
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Edited by: KIAEddZ on 12/01/2004 17:45:30
Err and thats relevant because?
Arteg is hardly gonna post other peoples conversations?
It was an MIB conversation open channel. And you hence hardly a private conversation.
And whether revelent or not, I just wondered why Artegg top n tailed the "uneddited" log.
its hardly "uneditted" if you make a decision to snipp off the bits you don't consider revelant now is it?
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KIAHicks
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Posted - 2004.01.12 17:51:00 -
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Edited by: KIAHicks on 12/01/2004 17:54:50
I beleive his words war " I just had a mega arguement with Jade, want to have a read of the logs?"
(Note as usual I'm paraphrasing.)
edit: omg I've got war on the brain, now were = war when I type :( This game has a lot to answer for :P
Jade: Artegg has posted the bit he was involved in. Do we really need to view the hours of discussion that may have happened in that channel that directly lead to this snippet of the conversation? Would people be bothered to read it if we did?
And btw for future reference unedited in this context means he didn't change what you said or what he said. That snippet of the conversation is 100% as it happened. (aside from added colour)
When most people think a log has been edited they imagine things like
KIAHicks> Hey artegg how are you
been posted as
KIAHicks> Artegg you suck and fly a nova.
Keenon: "After sitting in the system for FIVE hours without even a (go away)"...
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.01.12 17:56:00 -
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Okay, artegg, lets just agree that I posted the uneddited log, you posted an editted version with the top and bottom cut off. If people just want to read yours they can read yours. If people want to read my more complete posting then they can take the extra step and read it in the old NVA forums.
Anyhow, now this stuff is in the open we can really have a ball.
In those logs you wrote this ...
[ 2004.01.09 15:33:39 ] Artegg > i ahve lost one ship in the whole war
[ 2004.01.09 15:34:14 ] Artegg > oh and that was to a ctd
So in the entire Foresaken Empire you have lost only one ship ... (and that was to a CTD)
Now, colour me stupid, but the entire NVA has lost hundreds of ships. Foresaken Empire have slaughtered fleets of our ships.
Jericho Fraction has lost dozens in action.
Yet you have only lost one. (and to a CTD)
Ummm, that kinda suggests either that you are a uber PvP pilot that Foresaken cannot touch for your godlike skills.
Or,
You are a coward and you let everyone else so all the fighting and dying.
Which is it?
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KIAHicks
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Posted - 2004.01.12 17:59:00 -
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Edited by: KIAHicks on 12/01/2004 18:00:46
Jade: It means people have a preference over who they target. Maybe they like shooting others first?
I've been in the majority of the battles between NVA and FE, how many ships have I lost? 1, a scorpion to the FE when we attacked obe and myself and inkz got bloodlost and stayed with 12 - 2 odds (the outcome is self explanitory)
Does that make me a liar? no. Does that make me an uber elite pilot pvper? no. Does it make me a coward? no. Does it make me lucky? yes.
In none fleet battles, YES it does mean we've been better at pvp on the day, but in fleet action, no matter how good you are, your just lucky or unlucky as to whether the enemy decide to shoot you first.
Keenon: "After sitting in the system for FIVE hours without even a (go away)"...
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Masor
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Posted - 2004.01.12 18:02:00 -
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Jade your warmongering is pathetic
I will be honest here, i talked to maud dib about you's being kicked coz i was also suprised as i had fought along side maud dib, athule and i think jerial aswell, they are prolly the only JF members i know i have seen in a battle. I also thought it was a bit harsh at the time(as in when i first heard about you being kicked). But after reading your rambling on since and other members reasons i see why now they chose not to invite you. Jade you are the only reason to not be invited end of story, you are infact the parasite of an alliance. You talk as if you are wise yet nothing you say is remotely near to the truth.
War is a game that is played with a smile. If you can't smile, grin. If you can't grin, keep out of the way till you can.
The truth is incontrovertible, malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end; there it is.
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Artegg
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Posted - 2004.01.12 18:04:00 -
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Jade lol @ you nice come back there. I think pretty much every pilot in the NVA will say that they have seen me in about every fight the NVA has had. The reason why i have only lost one ship is because i am not a idiot who is going to charge at a blockade out numbered just for having a fight. I engage when i know i can win. Our list of kills is growing daily and i have been involed in every single one except the 2 when i was in bed so here is a idea. Lets stop and think before we post.
That one ship i lost was Scorp to Valeria who i would like to tank for a wonderful 1 on 1. Yes Jade a 1 on 1 would a coward engage in that i think not.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.01.12 18:05:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 12/01/2004 18:13:33
Well Hicks ... JF has been accused by Artegg and others of your faction of not supporting the NVA with our ships.
But the truth is, we have fought and died and paid a very heavy price indeed.
Even the mealy-mouthed Artegg admits in that log that propaganda nonsense of JF non-participation is a lie.
Kurenin, although she left in under a cloud, sacrificed more to NVA than Artegg did.
Miso, though she has been roundly derided by your clique has thrown ship after ship into the NVA cause.
yet Artegg "saw" none of that, and saw "none of the JF pilots that aided the cause".
And strangely he never lost a ship (apart to a CTD) ...
Could that be because he was not actually trying very hard himself?
Because from where I am standing, it looks like we were a hellova more committed than he was.
And we sacrificed a hellova lot more wealth and materials to the war effort than he did.
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Maud Dib
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Posted - 2004.01.12 18:10:00 -
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You know the idea of having to fight the old NVA if I wanted to go up to Venal is very odd.
Maud you will never have to Fight the old NVA you are a friend of many people up here and i hope it stays that way
Yeah me too. Besides everybody knows that Venal belongs to you, me and InkZ.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.01.12 18:11:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 12/01/2004 18:14:34
Masor ... personal attacks mean nothing. You either need to bring some evidence or argument to the table or you are just trolling and flaming to no good purspose.
You admit in your words that JF fought and we fought hard, as well (if not better) as a majority of NVA member corps.
And yes, I know, the whole reason that JF was kicked is because a clique of NVA CEO's and officers decided they hated my guts.
Thats fine ... admit it. That was the only reason and knowing that, we can see that in the future these people cannot be trusted to keep aggreements when they decide they "just don't like someone".
And as for "parasite of an alliance".
Really? Read you own damn master's log.
We took nothing from Venal and gave our ships and isk and sacrifice.
Your chaps can't exactly say the same.
So tell me, who are the parasites ?
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KIAHicks
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Posted - 2004.01.12 18:14:00 -
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Edited by: KIAHicks on 12/01/2004 18:16:21
To be honest jade, I don't ever recall fighting amongst many jerricho members either. I'm not saying your members didn't fight, and to be honest from where I'm sitting I don't care.
The reason I didn't want jerricho in the alliance is because I'm sick of all the *****ing on the forums between you and whom ever we are at war with.
But this doesn't appear to have been a solution because now your just going on at us anyway.
BTW this is my view and may not be the views of everyone else.
I'm going to try and practice what I preach and stop *****ing now.
In response to all further posts and questions to me, please find my answer at www.badgerbadgerbadger.com
edit: for you lazy forum addicts I've made teh link clickable so there is no excuse for not looking now :)
Keenon: "After sitting in the system for FIVE hours without even a (go away)"...
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Artegg
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Posted - 2004.01.12 18:15:00 -
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Well Hicks ... JF has been accused by Artegg and others of your faction of not supporting the NVA with our ships.
But the truth is, we have fought and died and paid a very heavy price indeed.
Even the mealy-mouthed Artegg admits in that log that propaganda nonsense of JF non-participation is a lie.
Kurenin, although she left in under a cloud, sacrificed more to NVA than Artegg did.
Miso, though she has been rounded derided by your clique has thrown ship after ship into the NVA cause.
yet Artegg "saw" none of that, and saw "none of the JF pilots that aided the cause".
And strangely he never as ship (apart to a CTD) ...
Could that be because he was not actually trying very hard himself?
Because from where I am standing, it looks like we were a hellova more committed than he was.
And we sacrificed a hellova lot more wealth and materials to the war effort than he did.
Jade convo Valeria and ask her i am sure she will vouch that D'artagnan and herself had a fight where we both chrashed to Desktop. We where both in scorps i had her target jammed, webbed, scrambled and we crashed sadly i crashed with my Ex-large ship booster on. I logged back on and with my at the time 56k modem, this took a while and by the time i got back on my cap was dead and i was taking a pounding.
Now jade answer a question for me here Would a coward
A) Log back on and continue the fight with honor
B) stay logged off and log back later in the hope that valeria has left the area and i can get home.
You have a 50:50 chance of getting this one right even i am sure you can do it.
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KIAEddZ
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Posted - 2004.01.12 18:17:00 -
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Jade.
This isnt going well is it, you not got your normal prose on tbh.
Anything to do with your outbursts in that chat?
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=176347
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KIAInkZ
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Posted - 2004.01.12 18:18:00 -
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can someone get mongo in this thread plz
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Artegg
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Posted - 2004.01.12 18:19:00 -
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You know the idea of having to fight the old NVA if I wanted to go up to Venal is very odd.
Maud you will never have to Fight the old NVA you are a friend of many people up here and i hope it stays that way
Yeah me too. Besides everybody knows that Venal belongs to you, me and InkZ.
Ya i think that many people have forgotten that we claimed venal and kicked all out in a drunken rage. Chat with me some time in game soon M8
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Masor
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Posted - 2004.01.12 18:20:00 -
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I was not saying JF where parasites i was simply talking to you. You go on trying to bring disorder to the system in the alliance, it is that simple.
You may not of taken or mined in venal, that was your choice so to even go "we took nothing so we gave nothing" just proves you never cared for it in the first place. Many other corps lost alot of ships defending, they chose to mine and replace it. The fact is you clearly state in your own words, which i have seen you say over and over again, you wouldn't help to defend venal because YOU get nothing from it. You only got nothing from it coz you chose not to take anything from it, its not exactly challenging to mine up there.
So dont even try to turn around the argument back on to us.
War is a game that is played with a smile. If you can't smile, grin. If you can't grin, keep out of the way till you can.
The truth is incontrovertible, malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end; there it is.
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Artegg
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Posted - 2004.01.12 18:21:00 -
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can someone get mongo in this thread plz
I want Stavros
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KIAEddZ
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Posted - 2004.01.12 18:22:00 -
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Jade is the one thing could unite FA abd Us guys tbh.
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=176347
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.01.12 18:23:00 -
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Hicks if you wanted this situation resolved then your side should have approached the business with a whole lot more respect.
Rather than trying to scapegoat JF and I with a lot of rubbishy propaganda lies and letting Oberon's L'enfant Terrible Halseth Durn loose on a character assassination hatchet job.
Your would have been much better served to table a round table negotiation between the NVA successors and JF and asked us if we were prepared to leave the alliance.
Chances are we would have said "fine."
We all know there have been a lot of problems and trust and respect have evaporated.
All this blame mentality and targetted anti-personnel nonsense just makes you look petty and vindictive.
As I said to Artegg the fact of the matter is that personalities in the NVA decided they didn't like me.
I stood in the way of their rise to power.
And my ideas for the direction of the alliance jarred against theirs.
Over the months your ideology has become stronger and stronger in the NVA.
And mine weaker.
You should have spoken to me and asked.
Not launched this ridiculous backstab and smear campaign.
JF has done everthing that could possibly have been asked of alliance members in support.
We shouldn't now be enemies, but with every fresh flame and personal attack your side digs itself deeper in the mire of hate and resentment and urge for vendetta.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.01.12 18:27:00 -
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Jade.
This isnt going well is it, you not got your normal prose on tbh.
Anything to do with your outbursts in that chat?
Why on earth do you get the impression this is not going well?
I have made perfectly reasoned statements and asked entirely reasonable questions.
I response I am getting flamed and shouted down and personally insulted ... and now your side is calling for pirate intervention to get the thread locked.
How on earth does that look bad for me?
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KIAEddZ
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Posted - 2004.01.12 18:27:00 -
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Stop making out we dont like JF, or are persecuting an onnocent corporation, they are being "punished" because of your attitude, and the trouble you cause, kick you out, and they are more than welcome back, we would even share mining ops wih them.
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=176347
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