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Isabelle Andiun Moneris Solutions 3	Posted - 2012.01.03 05:13:00 - [1] - Quote Hi all, I have been a part of a new corp for about a week now, which was created about a week ago and currently, we have 2 wars going. I have left the corp now (24hr stasis period remaining) because I cant play the game due to station campers. I feel that the 2mil per week or whatever war dec charge for corps isnt enough. I think that the war dec cost should be in relation to how new the corp is as well as member count for the corp being decced against. The same thing happened in a corp that I was in on my alt, which I took a break from EVE because it frustrated me so much (as well as me forgetting that I could just leave :D) But seriously, its too hard on new players/corps because of this
I likegirls Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 156	Posted - 2012.01.03 05:21:00 - [2] - Quote I'm sorry. Do you need a hug?
Cephelange du'Krevviq Hephaestus LLC Gryphon League 14	Posted - 2012.01.03 05:21:00 - [3] - Quote The newness of a corp would be exploited in a heartbeat, so, no, it's not a valid fix. Whether you agree/disagree, like/dislike it, new corps are often picked solely for their newness, as well as the overall "age" of the members (how long the character has been around.) If the 'deccing corp has any smarts, they will have already reconned your corp to figure out where you hang out, what sort of ships you fly, active times, etc. While it sucks, your best bet is generally to not undock. Log in to make sure your training is progressing, but otherwise, find something else to do. If possible, set up a jump clone a decent bit away and do your missioning/mining/whatever there. There's also the possibility you and your corp could use it as a learning opportunity for PvP. Never know, you might like it.
A'Brantox Foson 14	Posted - 2012.01.03 05:21:00 - [4] - Quote Nope, ur right. CCP is on the side of the station campers too, so no use complaining. -Get some isk together -Find nullsec/lowsec corp Problem solved
chatgris Quantum Cats Syndicate 16	Posted - 2012.01.03 05:59:00 - [5] - Quote Simple response: - Create chat channel with all your corpmates - All join that chat channel - All leave corp (except at least one alt of your CEO to kepe the corp open), and communicate with the chat channel When the war deccers get bored, you can rejoin your corp.
Mutnin Mutineers 36	Posted - 2012.01.03 06:12:00 - [6] - Quote Move to low sec, learn to PVP. It's what we did when our little 3 man corp was war dec'd by a 40+ person corp. Never looked back.
Vordak Kallager Autocannons Anonymous 30	Posted - 2012.01.03 08:01:00 - [7] - Quote Forum tears best tears.
Pinaculus Insanely Twisted 128	Posted - 2012.01.03 10:25:00 - [8] - Quote I've heard of a few blood-thirsty high sec PVP alliances that would love to have you just so they could inherit your wardec. Ask around. Also, EWAR Cruiser fleets are easy to train into, cheap to lose, and not fun to fight. I know sometimes it's difficult to realize just how much you spend on incidental things each month or year, but seriously, EVE is very cheap entertainment compared to most things... If you are a smoker, smoke one less pack a week and pay for EVE, with money left over to pick up a cheap bundle of flowers for the EVE widow upstairs.
Jack Dant The Gentlemen of Low Moral Fibre 328	Posted - 2012.01.03 10:48:00 - [9] - Quote Station camps are trivial to avoid anyway, especially after the session timer change. Create instaundock bookmarks, and if they fail just redock. And if you have no idea what the above was, it shows why you were in the wrong corp. EVE is a complex game without a proper manual. You can't learn it in a corp made all of new players, join some established corp first. Preferably one with some established PVP component. Highsec pure PVE corps are full of idiots who think they know everything there is to know about the game, based on hearsay and the one time they jumped into Tama and died. What happens in lowsec, stays in lowsec, lowering the barrier to entry to lowsec PVP: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=476644&#post476644
Joshke Steel Dawn Inc. 15	Posted - 2012.01.03 10:53:00 - [10] - Quote Nobody might be able to force you play their game. Don't go to null / lowsec, don't leave your corp (WTF?!) . Take you miners/missioning fleet along with 3-4 Ewar Cruisers (or just put Ewar mods on your own ships) and do what you were doing.

Tallianna Avenkarde Beasts of Burden 195	Posted - 2012.01.03 11:09:00 - [11] - Quote FIGHT BACK! Take cheap disposable frigates and cruisers and whelp yourself at your enemies! Fly ships that are cheaper then their drones, and kill said drones! Or just join the dec shield coalition.. And a sudden plunge in the sullen swell. Ten fathoms deep on the road to hell.
Joshke Steel Dawn Inc. 15	Posted - 2012.01.03 11:16:00 - [12] - Quote Tallianna Avenkarde wrote: FIGHT BACK! That is exactly what wardec'er want from them.
Jack Dant The Gentlemen of Low Moral Fibre 328	Posted - 2012.01.03 11:31:00 - [13] - Quote Joshke wrote: Tallianna Avenkarde wrote: FIGHT BACK! That is exactly what wardec'er want from them. Depends on how you fight back. Shooting them on station is useless. Gates are slightly better, belts are best. Even with lots of ewar, low SP chars won't have the dps to break those tanks before they can deagress and redock/jump out. The problem with those small corps made 100% of new players is that they lack the experience and organization to properly pull off the kind of trap needed to actually hurt the wardec corp. What happens in lowsec, stays in lowsec, lowering the barrier to entry to lowsec PVP: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=476644&#post476644
Zagdul Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension 338	Posted - 2012.01.03 11:55:00 - [14] - Quote Joshke wrote: Tallianna Avenkarde wrote: FIGHT BACK! That is exactly what wardec'er want from them. That is also exactly how new corporations are handed content and flourish. It's not Rocket Surgery
Trinkets friend Obstergo NEM3SIS. 73	Posted - 2012.01.03 11:57:00 - [15] - Quote Tell your useless CEo to join DecShield Alliance (ticker is DEKT if I recall). The alliance will accept your corp then in 24hrs your corp will be booted from the alliance, and 24h later the war will drop. Its a free service. If they spend another 2M ISk, just repeat ad nauseum. Also, you probably have a spy inserted by the wardeccers, so your CEO should put a freeze on recruitment. The skilful employer of men will employ the wise man, the brave man, the covetous man, and the stupid man. Sun Tzu
Tallianna Avenkarde Beasts of Burden 195	Posted - 2012.01.03 12:07:00 - [16] - Quote Joshke wrote: Tallianna Avenkarde wrote: FIGHT BACK! That is exactly what wardec'er want from them. No deccers want juicy mission fit kills. generally they respect people with the balls to fight back. And a sudden plunge in the sullen swell. Ten fathoms deep on the road to hell.
Karloth Valois 1st. Pariah Malefactor corp. 1	Posted - 2012.01.03 12:45:00 - [17] - Quote New corps can survive war decs, if they have decent organisation and leadership. I'm guessing your corp doesnt. The corps that get picked on for war decs normally have a lot in common. A CEO that is a new player himself and just wants start his own corp without any idea what it takes, Spamming local or recruitment chat drawing attention to themselfs trying to get as many members as possible and accepting pretty much anyone. This isn't always the case, most corps will attract a war dec at some point if they stay in highsec but for new corps they are the best way to get an unwanted dec. Look for corps have a CEO that knows what he is doing, even if the corp is new a expirenced CEO will help, plus if he has been playing for a while he is more likely to know people that can help you out. If people want to find easy targets alot look in recruiment channels, looking for corps that spam saying they accept anyone. Its easier to get spys in and you can normally assume that the players they have will be easy targets. War dec's help get rid of corps that shouldnt be around in the first place, if you survive war decs the members and corp come out better for it in general. Plus the players that leave when things get hard are the players you dont want in your corp in the first place (I once got thanked by a CEO for showing him who in his corp was dead weight and who was loyal to the corp) Fight back in cheap ships, dont smack and dont cry in local. Your learn more for next time round even if you get your arse handed to you and the war deccers will have more respect for you than if you docked up and cryed or quit corp. Alot of war deccers are nice guys and will even help you out after a fight letting you know where you went wrong.
Mutnin Mutineers 37	Posted - 2012.01.03 15:07:00 - [18] - Quote Jack Dant wrote: Station camps are trivial to avoid anyway, especially after the session timer change. Create instaundock bookmarks, and if they fail just redock. And if you have no idea what the above was, it shows why you were in the wrong corp. EVE is a complex game without a proper manual. You can't learn it in a corp made all of new players, join some established corp first. Preferably one with some established PVP component. Highsec pure PVE corps are full of idiots who think they know everything there is to know about the game, based on hearsay and the one time they jumped into Tama and died. You don't have to be in a large corp to learn the game, you just have to take the time to read and try to understand how the game mechanics work. There are horrible PVE corps just like there are horrible PVP corps. It's not so much the type of corp but the attitude of the players that allow it to be a success or not. Personally, that was part of the fun for me, was figuring out how the game worked with 2 other friends that also had no clue, and if you let another group dictate your game then you have already lost. Always play your own game and never give your foes what they expect or want from you.
Fidelium Mortis Quantum Cats Syndicate 14	Posted - 2012.01.03 15:59:00 - [19] - Quote CCP should probably take a look at the cost of war-deccing and have it scale a bit to account for inflation (especially recently). With that said, there's plenty of options available during a war-dec that can make things more interesting. Heck why not use it as an opportunity to learn a bit of PvP, fleet tactics, and working as a team. There's nothing like overcoming a little adversity to help a corp gel. Just make sure you do your research, and maybe even enlist the help of a couple friends. ICRS - Intergalactic Certified Rocket Surgeon
Xiode Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2012.01.03 16:06:00 - [20] - Quote Have you ever thought about why you got wardec'd in the first place?

Marduk Nibiru Physical Chaos Skunk Works. 42	Posted - 2012.01.03 17:05:00 - [21] - Quote Isabelle Andiun wrote: Hi all, I have been a part of a new corp for about a week now, which was created about a week ago and currently, we have 2 wars going. I have left the corp now (24hr stasis period remaining) because I cant play the game due to station campers. I feel that the 2mil per week or whatever war dec charge for corps isnt enough. I think that the war dec cost should be in relation to how new the corp is as well as member count for the corp being decced against. The same thing happened in a corp that I was in on my alt, which I took a break from EVE because it frustrated me so much (as well as me forgetting that I could just leave :D) But seriously, its too hard on new players/corps because of this This is probably why people who don't want to have a really hard time in EvE should spend a little time playing before starting a corp of their own. Learn the game first. Get directors that frequent the forums and dev blogs to learn the latest mechanic changes. Corporations that do not know how to take advantage of these mechanics will fall prey to the various hi-sec lowlifes that do...meaning you'll find yourselves completely helpless to even play the game or be forced to leave corp, as you have. Out of corp reppers, corp jumping, etc...are quite common tactics used in hisec. There's no defense against this even if you're willing to step up and have a go at your enemies. If you've got a respectable enemy then you can go learn some PvP against them. I used to wardec newb corps so my own newbs would have reasonable targets and wasn't afraid to give a "fair" fight (I still took every reasonable advantage), but a great many wardec corps will never do this. Any responsible, hisec carebear corp should know about the dec-shield and how to use it. CCP has pretty much made it impossible to wardec a corp that doesn't want to be now. It's a weenie kind of move, rather cowardly really...but that's what hisec is about. My friend and I started a corp when we first came on. I'd spent a little time in one but only a week or so. We had a hard time of it. We didn't get wardeced, but then again we didn't headquarter in Jita or something dumb like that. We did run afoul of gankers and such though and were pretty helpless to do much about it. We grew out of this naive phase and joined corps run by people who knew what they were doing...moved out into 0.0 and now I see hisec as a place to do some shopping and grind easy isk while popping random miners and industrials. It's a place to visit, not a place to live. Tell your CEO to go tutor him/herself on the hisec wardec shield and you'll never have wardec problems again...or go move out into "lawless" space where the rules don't create the stupid, "I can get you but you can't get me," type of "war".
Abdiel Kavash Paladin Order Fidelas Constans 285	Posted - 2012.01.03 17:05:00 - [22] - Quote How do you think all the large corporations started out? Do you think some corporations just appear into existence with a hundred of 50M SP characters? Everyone starts off the same. Some endure and become great, some give up and whine on the forums.
Cephelange du'Krevviq Hephaestus LLC Gryphon League 14	Posted - 2012.01.03 17:09:00 - [23] - Quote Xiode wrote: Have you ever thought about why you got wardec'd in the first place? There's not always some grand reason/motivation. Sometimes, they just want some "safe" pew-pew; by "safe," I mean targets that really don't stand much of a chance against them, barring any nasty surprises.
Nerath Naaris Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy 65	Posted - 2012.01.03 17:28:00 - [24] - Quote It is, in fact, a problem when a Corp is founded by noobs for noobs as they are insulated from the experience older players can give. Worse, if they recuit other noobs, they pass their own incomplete knowledge or even outright ignorance on to them. If this is the case here and if this wardec will cause those noobs to ultimately join another, more experienced Corp/Alliance, then it is actually a good thing in the long run. Sad, but that-¦s Eve. Unbanned since 2011.10.20.
Jack Dant The Gentlemen of Low Moral Fibre 329	Posted - 2012.01.03 17:34:00 - [25] - Quote Abdiel Kavash wrote: How do you think all the large corporations started out? Do you think some corporations just appear into existence with a hundred of 50M SP characters? Everyone starts off the same. Some endure and become great, some give up and whine on the forums. Most good corporations start with a handful of active, experienced leaders. With such a backbone, you can recruit noobs, train them, and become a strong corporation. If you start out with a dozen guys who just joined the game, and nobody to teach them, it will be a miracle if the corp succeeds. What happens in lowsec, stays in lowsec, lowering the barrier to entry to lowsec PVP: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=476644&#post476644
Marsan Production N Destruction INC. Blue Moon Alliance 7	Posted - 2012.01.03 17:37:00 - [26] - Quote Getting station camped is really scary the 1st time it happens but in HS it's really not much of an issue. What you can do if they station camp you. 1) Drop corp. If you don't have roles you can just drop corp and they can't touch you without concord getting involved. If you have roles drop them and play another game for a day. Then drop corp. 2) Head out in a pod. They will suffer the same issues podding in HS war or no war. Sure some people will still pod you but it's hard to get a pod in HS if you are careful. If you can clone jump I highly advise jumping to a bare 3) Remember if you don't shoot back you can always dock up again. 4) Now is a good time to work on that market or PI alt. I find I make more money when my corp is at war. As I'm forced to do 5) Clone jump the hard way. Exit the station in your pod and self destruct. This will send you to where ever your clone is based. Which for most PVE is a long way away. PS- Remember you can always sell off your ship or come back later if you are patient.
Lady Spank GET OUT NASTY FACE 778	Posted - 2012.01.03 18:34:00 - [27] - Quote Insta undocks and basic teamwork are your friends. pair of blackbirds and 3+ thorax or what have you will see off some of these station campers (depends on their fleet composition but usually isn't too hard). If you ask around on here rather than just coming to complain then you will find some very helpful advice out there GÖÑ Most of these bads that wardec noob corps do so because they are incompetent and have to pick on what they see as an easy target. If you mix some ecm and dps ships and kill their ego-stroking expensive ships (before all your cheap crap ships explode) then they will start whining like you would never believe and retract the dec and go try and act hard against some other targets. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â) -áGÖÑ New Years Resolution ~ Cease thy Smacktalk GÖÑ
Jack Dant The Gentlemen of Low Moral Fibre 329	Posted - 2012.01.03 18:35:00 - [28] - Quote Marsan wrote: 2) Head out in a pod. They will suffer the same issues podding in HS war or no war. Sure some people will still pod you but it's hard to get a pod in HS if you are careful. If you can clone jump I highly advise jumping to a bare clone before the war officially starts. You are wrong. You can pod war targets in highsec with no repercusions. The only difficult bit is locking them in time. What happens in lowsec, stays in lowsec, lowering the barrier to entry to lowsec PVP: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=476644&#post476644
Corina Jarr Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built 496	Posted - 2012.01.03 19:31:00 - [29] - Quote CCP has made it not an exploit to use dec shields and whatnot, so wardecks are now pointless anyway unless both sides want to fight.
Marsan Production N Destruction INC. Blue Moon Alliance 7	Posted - 2012.01.03 20:08:00 - [30] - Quote Jack Dant wrote: Marsan wrote: 2) Head out in a pod. They will suffer the same issues podding in HS war or no war. Sure some people will still pod you but it's hard to get a pod in HS if you are careful. If you can clone jump I highly advise jumping to a bare clone before the war officially starts. You are wrong. You can pod war targets in highsec with no repercusions. The only difficult bit is locking them in time. Hmm maybe I'm wrong and I'm mixing up it up with all the neutral repers we've been facing.



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