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Miss Anthropy
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2007.06.07 11:56:00 -
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 Originally by: Locus Bey
It's a backward, stupid, intolerant way of thinking. That's all I'm saying. He's welcome to be a bigot, but don't expect such stupidity not to be pointed out. And it is about dealing with inadequacies. What is their in being homosexual that 1. has anything to do with him? 2. only those who haven't joined the 21st C hold the view that it is immoral. 3. what we shouldn't be tolerant human beings, what kind of neanderthal are you? 4. to feel threatened by someone who is homosexual is utterly ridiculous. what is there to be threatened by? and don't bs me and say that's not what it's about, it is.
Tolerance, as defined by today's society, is about ignoring our conscience for the sake of someone else's errant lifestyle to the point that we accept it as "ok". I don't want to get dragged into a moral discussion here, especially about homosexuality (mainly because I don't want the mods jumping on me). But what I will say in reply is this; despite what society would like to believe today in all it's relativistic humanist glory, there is still something called right and wrong. Humanity has grown weary of guilt for it's misdeeds, and as a result has stopped attempting to deal with something that is "wrong". It now tries to convince those that believe something is "wrong" that they are wrong for believing it to be wrong.
Hopefully there's enough in there to disclose my position (in regard to your quote) in a non-offensive way.
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ry ry
StateCorp
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Posted - 2007.06.07 12:04:00 -
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Originally by: Miss Anthropy
Originally by: Locus Bey
It's a backward, stupid, intolerant way of thinking. That's all I'm saying. He's welcome to be a bigot, but don't expect such stupidity not to be pointed out. And it is about dealing with inadequacies. What is their in being homosexual that 1. has anything to do with him? 2. only those who haven't joined the 21st C hold the view that it is immoral. 3. what we shouldn't be tolerant human beings, what kind of neanderthal are you? 4. to feel threatened by someone who is homosexual is utterly ridiculous. what is there to be threatened by? and don't bs me and say that's not what it's about, it is.
Tolerance, as defined by today's society, is about ignoring our conscience for the sake of someone else's errant lifestyle to the point that we accept it as "ok". I don't want to get dragged into a moral discussion here, especially about homosexuality (mainly because I don't want the mods jumping on me). But what I will say in reply is this; despite what society would like to believe today in all it's relativistic humanist glory, there is still something called right and wrong. Humanity has grown weary of guilt for it's misdeeds, and as a result has stopped attempting to deal with something that is "wrong". It now tries to convince those that believe something is "wrong" that they are wrong for believing it to be wrong.
Hopefully there's enough in there to disclose my position (in regard to your quote) in a non-offensive way.
are you a creationist or something?
the question you should be asking, is why you even care if a couple of blokes want to bang each other's brains out?
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Locus Bey
Gallente
Qalandar
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Posted - 2007.06.07 12:07:00 -
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Originally by: Mud Pandemonium
Edited by: Mud Pandemonium on 07/06/2007 11:35:29
I said unnatural, not immoral.
You keep calling me a bigot, whatever you gotta do to rationalize my belief that people ARE NOT REQUIRED TO BE TOLERANT.
I don't have to accept you, I don't have to like you, I don't want to hug and be friends. It's not a goddamn requirement of me just because society says so.
I don't go out of my way to make friends with people from different cultures, I like mine fine and I don't want or need anything more. I don't care for multicultural festivals, crap like that. Going to call me a racist? I just don't care about other cultures.
Hell, I may even decide I don't like a culture, purely based on an ideal they hold. Perhaps they worship a symbol I don't like, perhaps they're Muslims? Christians?, etc.
I don't have to be accepting of everyone around me.
Edit: Few other things.
So, you believe one thing, and you believe I'm wrong.. so I'm stupid correct?
I believe something different, I believe you COULD be wrong, so I'm a bigot?
So, you're allowed to have beliefs, I'm allowed to have beliefs, but they have to be in the same frame of mind as yours.
Hey man, I'll hate on homosexuals all I want, you keep on hating on me for it and thinking you're so righteous.
Meh, Archie Bunker knew what was going on.
I'm sure you will go on being intolerant. Why would you need to be accepting? I can't think of a rational, reasonable or dignified reason for that  Get your hand of your spitoon.
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Vari
Carbide Industries
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Posted - 2007.06.07 12:58:00 -
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Edited by: Vari on 07/06/2007 13:19:47
Originally by: Mud Pandemonium
You keep calling me a bigot, whatever you gotta do to rationalize my belief that people ARE NOT REQUIRED TO BE TOLERANT.
Aw you funnie guy! What connntry u from? If you happen to be an American (and many Godless European ones across the pond), not only are you required in many situations including the workplace to tolerate a good variety of people, but also show no discrimination. Oh yeah. That is worse than just tolerating. Showing no discrimnation. I hate this place.
And who thought of this brilliant idea? It started with the 14th amendment to the US Constitution in 1868. And then a lotta big wigs (those jokers call themselves US Supreme Court Justices) decided that some thing called the Due Process clause should apply to a variety of people. I know, I don't think black people should have rights at all either. That wouldn't be Suuhthern-liike.
Now not only are you required to show no discrimination on the basis of race and color but also none on the basis of nationality, ethnic origin, sex, sexual orientation and religion whether you're an employee, employer, business proprietor, property renter or seller, and more. And to think of it! Companies actually are PROUD to say they don't discriminate! It's unfair I know! Doze crazee liberals! They're been teaching your children this! Close their ears! Confederacy Forever!
No, but really, an executive order passed in 1998 added the sexual orientation protection. And that has stood up in the US courts of law. I'd figure you were an American cuz only an American can be as intolerant as you are. There are many places left where you can discriminate and be intolerant, but homosexuals now enjoy the same legal protections as the other minorities.
You may think it's unfair. Thankfully the liberal media is changing the mind of our children so old-time intolerance will be frowned upon in the years to come. It's worked before and probably will work again. But atleast succession is out of the question. The religious 'morally superior' states cannot survive economically without the educated 'godless' ones. You (or your children) listen to what the educated elite say, and we'll keep paying for your infrastructure, schools and welfare. Improving the condition of the less well-to-do states is something both sides of the aisle agree on. I've rarely heard a liberal say being kind is a bad thing.
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ry ry
StateCorp
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Posted - 2007.06.07 15:21:00 -
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Edited by: ry ry on 07/06/2007 15:25:46
The problem with arguing with Christians, particularly the right wing flavour, is when every avenue of argument has been covered, they proclaim it a matter of faith and to be honest you'll never persuade somebody who is happy to blindly believe that something is correct otherwise. That's not a dig at christians either. Blind unflinching belief is the Christian definition of faith.
If they start admitting that their church's teachings could be flawed in some way, they're basically admitting that god is fallible and imperfect. which is a bad thing for them since god's omnipotent perfection is very much what they're not about in the first place.
Hilariously, call they narrow minded bigots worshipping a fictional character and you'll be called religiously intolerant and hellbound. Suggest they're intolerant towards homosexuals and you're a heretic and hellbound. I'm not sure what happens if you support a different football team to them, but i'm guessing it's warm.
and yes, i'm sure one of them will petition me for this and i'll get hit in the balls with the banstick, but this post isn't designed to rile anybody in particular. just point out how facing off logic and faith is never going to work. They're too very different animals, and most Christians are smart enough to realise this and separate them.
Look at it like this, who wrote the 'King James Bible'. God?
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RedFall
Irreligion
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Posted - 2007.06.07 15:25:00 -
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Originally by: ry ry
the problem with arguing with christians, particularly right wing chrisitans, is when every avenue of argument has been covered, they proclaim it a matter of faith and to be honest you'll never persuade somebody who is happy to blindly believe that something is correct otherwise.
if they start admitting that their church's teachings could be flawed in some way, they're basically admitting that god is fallable and imperfect. which is a bad thing for them since god's omnipotent perfection is very much what they're not about in the first place.
Hilariously, call they narrow minded bigots worshipping a fictional character and you'll be called religiously intolerant and hellbound. Suggest they're intolerant towards homosexuals and you're a heretic and hellbound. I'm not sure what happens if you support a different football team to them, but i'm guessing it's warm.
and yes, i'm sure one of them will petition me for this and i'll get hit in the balls with the banstick, but this post isn't designed to rile anybody in particular. just point out how facing off logic and faith is never going to work.
Why would you even try to argue with a Christian when you know that they hold their faith so close to their heart? That's seems like you're being cruel and pretentious. I'm an atheist, but I don't force my opinion on others, as I would hate it when others do it to me.
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ry ry
StateCorp
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Posted - 2007.06.07 15:31:00 -
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Originally by: RedFall
Why would you even try to argue with a Christian when you know that they hold their faith so close to their heart? That's seems like you're being cruel and pretentious. I'm an atheist, but I don't force my opinion on others, as I would hate it when others do it to me.
pretentious, moi?
i'm not being cruel or pretentious. i was raised a Christian in Christian Schools and taught lots of neat stuff about God. my family are Christian too, but i happen to have slightly different beliefs to them. my description of faith is in line with most Christian teaching.
i did edit the text slightly before you responded, but that's not important. the point is the same. you can't argue religion with somebody who has absolute faith in what they believe. i think you probably missed the point.
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Dr Paithos
Minmatar
Republic Deep Space Institute
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Posted - 2007.06.07 15:32:00 -
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Edited by: Dr Paithos on 07/06/2007 15:33:29
Originally by: Mud Pandemonium
I choose to loathe a group of people, where is it written that a person must like everyone?
There are laws against discrimination in many western countries.
If you feel so strongly you should try and eliminate groups you disagree with. This is part of what public censure and rabble-rousing is, no?
I'd much rather a bigot that tries to kill me than one who mutters in corners and gives nasty looks. The former is more honest and easier to deal with.
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.06.07 15:32:00 -
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Wow, this thread isn't locked yet?  
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ry ry
StateCorp
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Posted - 2007.06.07 15:33:00 -
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and where was i forcing my opinion on anybody anyway?
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Sparta Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.07 15:33:00 -
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Totally IBTL, by the by. Whether you meant it as a religion post or not, theres only one way to go from here 
Anyhow, it sounds a little like the whole native American "animal spirit" thing. Is it like that, or am I misunderstanding?
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Tarquin Tarquinius
Gallente
Escorts of Eve
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Posted - 2007.06.07 15:52:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Paithos
There are laws against discrimination in many western countries.
If you feel so strongly you should try and eliminate groups you disagree with. This is part of what public censure and rabble-rousing is, no?
I'd much rather a bigot that tries to kill me than one who mutters in corners and gives nasty looks. The former is more honest and easier to deal with.
Its perfectly legal to hate anyone you choose for whatever reason. If you try to make it illegal to be a bigot you're getting into thought crimes.
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Dr Paithos
Minmatar
Republic Deep Space Institute
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Posted - 2007.06.07 15:55:00 -
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Originally by: Tarquin Tarquinius
Its perfectly legal to hate anyone you choose for whatever reason. If you try to make it illegal to be a bigot you're getting into thought crimes.
Yes, but it's illegal to discriminate in many situations.
It's practically impossible to stop someone discriminating as long as they don't make it blatantly obvious though. I'm sure you already know this.
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DarkMatter
Amarr
Mineral Aquisition Group
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Posted - 2007.06.07 15:56:00 -
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Edited by: DarkMatter on 07/06/2007 15:56:20
If I was a therianthrope, I guess part of my identity would be an anaconda.
I feel don't really need to go into more depth...
Building the homestead
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Vari
Carbide Industries
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Posted - 2007.06.07 15:58:00 -
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Edited by: Vari on 07/06/2007 15:59:03
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Wow, this thread isn't locked yet?
Eh heheheh it's a history lesson, not a political discussion . Just like the Matrix you can't break the rules but you can definitely bend them. A lot 
Originally by: DarkMatter
If I was a therianthrope, I guess part of my identity would be an anaconda.
I feel don't really need to go into more depth...
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Dr Paithos
Minmatar
Republic Deep Space Institute
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Posted - 2007.06.07 16:00:00 -
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Originally by: DarkMatter
Edited by: DarkMatter on 07/06/2007 15:56:20
If I was a therianthrope, I guess part of my identity would be an anaconda.
I feel don't really need to go into more depth...
Has the anaconda lost one eye in a freak whaling accident?
Otherwise the subtlety of your humor eludes me 
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Serathu
Forum Moderator
Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2007.06.07 16:53:00 -
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This has descended into discussion of religion and politics and I don't see any way that this can continue constructively.
Whilst you may not agree with a person's views or beliefs I must remind you of this forum rule:
Originally by: Eve Online Forum Rules
Be respectful of others at all times.
The purpose of the forum is to provide a platform for the exchange of ideas. Occasionally, there will be conflicts that arise when people voice opinions. Be courteous when disagreeing with others. It is possible to disagree without being insulting.
Thread locked.
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