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Matrixcvd
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Posted - 2007.06.07 06:42:00 -
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Resently the SUN alliance has undergone a shake up of management, not the likes of which most people would want to see. We are a growing alliance and as such, have assets in the members we employ that honor our code of conduct. It has become apparent that the former CEO of this Alliance does not, will not, and shall never share the same principles from which the Sundering Alliance has grown from. Villwrath, as CEO of TIC and self proclaimed leader of SUN, has taken a sizeable amount of assets from the alliance in an effort to line his own pockets and justify his greed. Villwrath has put in a number of applications to major corporations. Here is just a cut of his dubious evemails
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Cro,
My top 2 directors left, my head diplomat left, as well as some of my FC's. They all up and went to FIX. Now I was thinking of resigning CEO of TIC, and going to FIX myself, however was wondering if you got any openings in Eternity. I'm sick of the bull**** and just want some fun for once. If you'd have me, I might be interested in joining.
Villwrath has 18 million sp's.
He has Inty 4, Dictor 4, AF 4, and BS 5.
Can deploy large bubbles.
Will be Carrier or Dread capable in about a month in a half.
Have 6 Billion ISK in my wallet, and own ALL capital ship component blueprints, with max research (value is 30 Billion ISK)
Experienced FC in all areas, inc. capitals.
I can bring a lot to your corp with my leadership experience, FC experience and 35+ Billion ISK in personal assets.
I know your probably shocked by this email, but I truly am considering just giving up on TIC, and SUN alliance.
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As all of the corps of SUN tried to put their support behind Villwrath, he has decided to take, steal, and pillfer all alliance assets. He has stolen personal assets between himself and other members. All of the BPO's he has listed were stolen from a joint venture in the SUN alliance. All ISK he claims to have, was taken from the TIC CORP wallet. Any additional funds he claims to own were a left from the SUN alliance, its share holders and subsideries. This person(Villwrath), who claims in a number of evemails to have aquired these assets, HAS STOLEN from his previous corporation and alliance. He should not be trusted. Villwrath has taken from his trusted corp and alliance, all of their BPOs with respect to capital ships and capital components. This invidual has removed trusted assets from a number of ventures and under any circumstances should not be trusted to act in a way that is respectible. I hope other corporations and alliances do not fall victim to the lies and deceit put forth by this indvidual. The Sundering Alliance has reorganised and grown stronger from this episode of deceit. I hope other corporations and alliances look at the character Villwrath with as much disdane as the pilots that fly under SUN have. Villwrath is not one to be trusted and has only strengthed SUN's resolve further to handle challenges set before it.
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Attak
Trioptimum
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.07 07:06:00 -
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Alliance + corp ticker = unlocked thread.
Corp thieves suck majorly, anywhere and anytime. All you can do is name and shame them and hope the rest of the community realizes what they've done. Good luck recouping your losses.
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Deco Parith
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Posted - 2007.06.07 07:48:00 -
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Edited by: Deco Parith on 07/06/2007 07:47:51
Edit: alt.
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Deco Parish
The Imperial Commonwealth
The Sundering
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Posted - 2007.06.07 07:50:00 -
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Villwrath had a lot of respect in TIC and SUN. We would have stood by him had he resigned.
Instead he choose to betray all the respect and trust he had earned and run without saying anything, stealing as much alliance assets as he could gather.
Trust and friendship in EVE are àà wait there is no such thing.
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Huitzilopochtli Tlaloc
Forum Moderator
Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2007.06.07 08:07:00 -
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I putting a temp lock on this topic untill the OP activates his corp and/or his allaince name and then emails [email protected] and asks for it to be unlocked.
- Thanks Hutch.
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Eldo Davip
Forum Moderator
Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2007.06.07 15:48:00 -
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OP corp ticker is showing now. Thread unlocked upon request.
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Jules Wolfpack
ironwood ink
The Sundering
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Posted - 2007.06.07 16:25:00 -
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Edited by: Jules Wolfpack on 07/06/2007 16:23:53
I often hear, and have said it myself that "this is just a game."
And, it's true. No question about that.
But trust, respect, integrity and honour are things that are real in everything that one does. Game or not, Villwrath, the person behind the screen has betrayed his friends, his corp and his alliance. He will always know what he did, regardless how successful he becomes, or how much ISK is in his wallet. This will be his punishment. It will follow him everywhere he goes, in this life or the next because as much as he can try and justify his actions in his mind, he will know that he is a scoundrel and a thief. We had warning signs. He kept bad company, namely, Nidia Masters, a self proclaimed dirtbag who assisted Villwrath in this act. The difference between the two is that Nidia never pretended to be honorable, so in this way, Nidia didn't defile his name anymore than he already does on a daily basis.
It's a shame so much trust was placed in Villwrath, but the alliance and the remaining members will only be stronger and more unified. The ISK and items stolen will be replace and we will continue to prosper and our time spent here wont be in vain.
Villwrath - Good luck to you. I hope it was worth it.
Game on!
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James Don
KDM Corp
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.06.07 16:29:00 -
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To the OP I was given information of the possability of Villwrath applying to FIX corps yesterday and have instructed corps to be aware of any applications and reject them as the information passed to me indicated a theft had taken place and there is no place in FIX for people like that.
James Don
FIX Chairman
EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world. - Wrangler |
Wylker
Caldari
Pyrrhus Sicarii
Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.07 16:36:00 -
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Be on the lookout for an 18 million SP char to appear on ebay or the char sale forums.
@Villwrath: die please irl.
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Rahvin Damodred
The White Star Consortium
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Posted - 2007.06.07 16:44:00 -
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At the end of the day that fancy ship you are flying is nothing but a set of pixels on a screen, the ISK in your wallet nothing but a cold number of digits.
What matters most in this game is your friends around you and the reputation you build up slowly over time.
To the SUN alliance, my symphaties are with you. We have been in a similar situation although not on this big a scale. It was the best thing that ever happend to us. What doesn't kill you only makes you stronger.
To Villwrath, you turned yourself into a Judas for a bag of silver. And we all know what happend to him at the end of that story.
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Jules Wolfpack
ironwood ink
The Sundering
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Posted - 2007.06.07 16:46:00 -
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 Originally by: James Don
To the OP I was given information of the possability of Villwrath applying to FIX corps yesterday and have instructed corps to be aware of any applications and reject them as the information passed to me indicated a theft had taken place and there is no place in FIX for people like that.
James Don
I respect that statement and your position James Don.
If that is the case, then might I direct your attention to the person I mentioned, Nidia Masters who is in fact in FIX atm. Nidia joined our alliance and The Imperial Commonwealth (TIC) a week before Villwrath defiled himself (check his corp history) and assisted Villwrath (scouted him out of Wicked Creek) in the getaway. And as I mentioned before, this action taken by Nidia isn't a surprise to me nor any of my alliance mates.
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Cubic
ironwood ink
The Sundering
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Posted - 2007.06.07 20:09:00 -
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Villwrath was, for as long as i knew him, the representation of morale fortitude within the game, our allaince and our voice servers. As the head of our alliance, having gained the trust of all leadership, this was an unprecedented move. Rejecting convos from all who were his closest in game peers and even trying to steal his "friends" account.
Having severed all attempts of communication we suspected the worst.
TheSundering alliance, its corporations, its members and their friends (and theirs etc..) will forever hold this character (and its real life player) as a traitor, regardless of the owner of the account.
to me at least (and i address you in saying this vill), the game is about community and the pleasure it brings. I actually feel bad for you having commited yourself to a path of distrust amongst the whole eve community. When the in game actions of ONE man, can touch the lives of HUNDREDS in such a negative way, all i can possibly say is:
TouchT Salesman
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skank 1
The Imperial Commonwealth
The Sundering
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Posted - 2007.06.07 20:47:00 -
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Edited by: skank 1 on 07/06/2007 20:48:59
Firstly i would like to thank Fix for thier honorable actions . Much respect to you .
Secondly i would like to thank villwrath aka athena belmonte aka galla ria for his / her actions .This episode has brought the alliance and member corps tighter together than ever before and in the face of adversity we will pull through just fine . Many thanks to all that have offered help and assistance , again much respect
SK
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Cupdeez
Vengeance of the Fallen
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.07 21:03:00 -
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Sorry to hear about this SUN. You guys have always been good to us. Anyways if you guys need any help just ask we at CA will do what we can.
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KiNgShiZzLe
Dark Centuri Inc.
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.06.07 21:35:00 -
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Sorry to hear what happend to you guys from Vill, but are we sure Nidia had anything to do with it?? For most of the time Vill was doing this Nidia was station sitting waiting to get his app accepted. Draging one persons name in mud who deserves it is fine, but plz don't assume someone helped him just because you don't like that person. The two things aren't even related.
King
(one of the ex-TIC directors mentioned in this thread)
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sKCookieMonster
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Posted - 2007.06.07 21:42:00 -
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Edited by: sKCookieMonster on 07/06/2007 21:44:47
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Monstre
Dark Centuri Inc.
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.06.07 21:47:00 -
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Yes I must agree with King because I was station sitting with Nidia waiting on my app as well. So unless you can provide some type of evidence, which I know you dont have because it never happened.
On top of that you all have request me to provide you with Vill's code for vicious corp management software. That aint gonna happen its copywritten by vill and their are real life legal implications if I was to provide anyone with this source code. If you want it so bad contact vill.
Now as far as my opinion on this matter, I am sorry that our leaving TIC has caused you all so much strife and I will never condone the action that Vill has taken since our leaving but I will assure you that none of us have taken anything that wasnt ours and all debts to the corp or alliance were repaid before our leaving the corp.
As far as I am concerned, Jules you need to be able to back your statements before you make them.
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Bleh131
Gallente
Dark Centuri Inc.
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.06.07 23:17:00 -
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Hmm, a theft of this magnitude is indeed - dare I say - EPIC. However, let's also consider what Villwrath has gone through, and why he has done what he did.
First off, hi, I don't post here often, and I most likely won't post here often. However, as being the previous Fleet Admiral for the SUN alliance before handing it over to Matrix, and being Villwrath's friend for well over a year, I feel that he deserves some defense from these allegations. Not because of WHAT he did, but WHY he did it.
Although I do most certainly agree that the actions he took were wrong, none of these actions are PERMANENT. Did he burn the isk? No, did he spend the isk? NO! When I had spoken to him earlier - before he went into his reclusive state, he had felt very betrayed. He believed that the corp and alliance that he had envisioned had disappeared. Is it his fault? Is it because he was a bad leader, a bad executor? I don't believe so.
When TIC was first formed, it was designed to be a joint pvp/industrial corporation that would ultimately succeed in claiming its own space. Let's not forget that without Villwrath, we would have NEVER had the fun we had in Fribrodi, nor would we have met each other.
Without Vill we would have never had that epic taste of 0.0 when we joined IAC, nor would we have experienced the tranquility of Iron space pre-Eve War I. Villwrath has done NOTHING but good for this corporation, never having taken a cent for himself, trusting everyone around him as much as we trusted him.
Infinite tranquility is not the reason me, nor my friends/officers, joined the corp. We came to fight in the wars and to better ourselves, hence why I personally am in FIX (Eve war I ftw \o/ ). Villwrath himself, is indeed an excellent FC and logistics manager, even if he doesn't explain his intentions clearly...
and THAT ^^ is exactly what this is, a failure to explain intentions. This is not the first time all the assets in SUN have been seized, nor will it be the last. When our previous director had seized all assets and shares in SUN during an internal crisis, Villwrath didn't even say a word, having full faith in his decision to do so.
SUN survived, with the reason for the aformentioned seizing of assets half a year ago being nothing more than a security precaution.
Now - let's take a look at Vill's current situation before you all assumed he turned thief...
His directors left.
His diplomats left.
In other words, SUN's heart had been stabbed. Being bogged down heavily in real life atm, and having nobody he FULLY TRUSTED (see: Having known for years), he decided to seize all assets in an effort to temporarily halt all production ventures, secure the wallet at this vulnerable state, and rebuild the alliance.
So... what does the remainder of SUN do?
"ZOMG THIEF SCATTER AHHH IT'S ALL OVER APOCALYPSE!!!!"
Well you know what? After such a blatantly public and personal attack on Villwrath on these forums, I wouldn't be one bit surprised if he did decide to turn his back on all of you.
What happened to trusting him as much as he trusted us? What happened to understanding?
The evemail he wrote (most likely acquired fiendishly), was done out of nothing but anger, haven't I said things I didn't mean out of anger? Hasn't anyone?
Until you have actual proof that he's squandered the seized assets, consider that he is actually trying to recover from his real-life problems, and is attempting to rebuild the alliance.
I still fully trust Villwrath, and have faith in his decision, no matter how epically horrible it may look to the public eye, because I am sure that if the alliance continues to have faith in him, the assets will most likely be returned.
And Vill, whatever problems you got in real-life, good luck to you, and come back to the flying-space-ships game soon!
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Jules Wolfpack
ironwood ink
The Sundering
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Posted - 2007.06.07 23:18:00 -
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Edited by: Jules Wolfpack on 07/06/2007 23:18:16
Well King, you know me and you know I wouldn't drag anyone's name through the mud unless I knew what I was talking about.
On the night of the getaway, myself and a few other alliance mates station camped Villwrath. We sat for hours outside station waiting for our chance for some payback and possibly recover some of the stolen items.
At at some point, Nidia's alt undocked (Kailyn Y)in a cheetah. We convo'ed his alt and heard an amusing tale of how the char. was just sold and the pilot had no idea what was going on. The pilot stayed in system the entire time, even after the char. said that it was simply trying to get out of Wicked creek. Right before DT, Vill undocks and Kailyn Y leads the way for Vill. You might have seen the char. Nidia Masters docked where ever, but his alt was in Q-G, likely cloaked outside the station as eyes on for Vill. Vill undocks, our lone guard attempted to target and stop Vill, but was unsuccessful. Kailyn Y leaves system with Villwrath following behind.
How do I know this? Because I was there.
For the record, if my intentions were simply to slander people, I could have drug a lot of other names into this, but that would have been irresponsible and baseless.
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Haerana
The Republican Guard
The Sundering
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Posted - 2007.06.07 23:39:00 -
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Edited by: Haerana on 07/06/2007 23:39:02
Edited by: Haerana on 07/06/2007 23:38:45
LOL Bleh
Man you know i love ya but most of what you said in defense of Vill is BS mate.
1stly he has known TRG and most of its players easily as long as most of TICs.
Sure we havent always flown together but we have always kept contact.
Diplomats didnt leave. 1 out of 3 did. death. still me and farnett were here and i jumped fully into the role.
As for slandering him.
Know what we did for the 1st 24hours of finding out he had taken everything?
We setup threads and posts and evemails to him telling him we supported him and were ready to help out in anyway we could.
If you really want ill send ya some SS of the threads in our forums.
He ignored them all.
The fact he did alot for us doesnt mean anything when he couldnt have done it without us to start with.
There is never anything to justify taking what doesnt belong to you and screwing over people who cared about you.
We Tried to support Vill when we found out what happend and what did he do?
He ignored us and f***ed us over.
The only thing i want Vill to do now is to quit eve and go play some other game. Although Vill if you are thinking of doing so, feel free to give us our stuff back so your not totally shamed and may regain some if very little respect and credability.
There is but 1 good thing that has come of this which is that the remaining players of TIC and SUN have Come Much closer together and are working harder than ever to make SUN all it can be.
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Jules Wolfpack
ironwood ink
The Sundering
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Posted - 2007.06.07 23:44:00 -
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Originally by: Bleh131
Now - let's take a look at Vill's current situation before you all assumed he turned thief...
His directors left.
His diplomats left.
In other words, SUN's heart had been stabbed.
I understand your feelings Bleh, but attempting to steal a players account, seizing assets that didn't belong to SUN anyway (personal investments by a large majority SUN members who trusted Vill) and emptying every wallet he could get his hand on (the holding corps wallet, the PVP reimbursement hanger loot, and the bazaar move of deleting all vent admins sans himself) is not someone having a hard time dealing with losing a few members from his corp and "protecting assets". That's real naive thinking there man.
But, you are loyal to him and that's your decision to make.
I will agree that communication is key to this. Had he simply sent ANYONE in SUN an evemail, answered the numerous attempts to call him on the phone, didn't block everyone who attempted to contact him in game, simply responded in ANY way to all attempts to try and understand what was going on, we would have likely given him the benefit of the doubt.
A lot of us still didn't believe it was happening until we got wind of the app to MC where he listed his large wallet and assets as his own.
And lets be honest.. his friends and directors who left for FIX didn't steal, didn't pod him, didn't do anything but switch corps. If he can't handle that, and simply needs to steal from everyone around him, well, personally I don't want to be around a person like that.
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ISpydeRI
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Posted - 2007.06.07 23:47:00 -
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I'll make this short and sweet .
Even days after villwrath had been mia and rejecting convos , mails , phone calls We still trusted him . We did not turn our back on villwrath for a second untill we saw for our own eyes the apps he put in to various corporations. I know about all he did and what he made SUN into , and that does not give him the right to take these assets . I cannot tell you how many people were backing Vill even though we knew what probably was going on . I was actually shocked tbh. The show of support would bring any1 back . We did not lose the heart of our alliance or corp . We lost a couple of important people in TIC . As a alliance and corporation we are in fact strong ( stronger now then i would have thought).
Bleh i know ur the man , but what he did was evil and cannot be justified . I just wish Vill could have contacted us and saw how we were looking forward to moving on and saw that there were many people ready to step up and do their part to move us on our way. It's just unfortunate for all. All hope was not gone . A corps leaders are importanant but without good membership a corp would be nothing .
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Jaron Faus
x13
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.06.07 23:48:00 -
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*sigh*
Very sorry to hear SUN.
Shame on you Villwrath! 
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Droewa
Dark Centuri Inc.
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.06.08 00:12:00 -
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Edited by: Droewa on 08/06/2007 00:12:03
Nidia is a member oh JAKD now. And considering the amount of respect and backing he has from other Former TIC members now in JAKD, it will take some serious proof for me to believe he would aid in any kind of corp theft.
As for Vill. Shame.
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Dirty Martini
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Posted - 2007.06.08 00:42:00 -
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Edited by: Dirty Martini on 08/06/2007 00:42:11
Hello
Bleh's description of Vill's history is pretty accurate. Vill dealt with a lot of crap as CEO. Based on all of the s**t I've seen him deal with I am surprised he lasted this long. We also had to deal with His crap as well. The Sundering formation was difficult from the beginning but has grown with Vill's guidance and direction, but hands down it's members certainly were what made Sundering what it is now.
I had a lot of respect for Vill. I will not forget his huge effort to Raise SUN and TIC to it's glory days , his respect he gave me, the fun memories he helped create and the opportunity to play EvE with him. But I will not turn on him so easily and am somewhat shocked at how quickly his allies and corpmates aggressed him. However he was given AMPLE opportunity to explain himself. Some may believe it a hopless endeavor but I'm holding out for some action on his part to help restore some of my respect.
Offers were made to Villwraith to communicate what exactly he was doing with corp assets using many methods but he chose to ignore us. Many were offering support to him in forums and Corp mail. Yet we heard nothing. Ignoring the attempts was a mistake, especially when he left with assets and isk not his own.
This mistake does deserve some Retribution...
Dirty Martini
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Geofftrin Ryne
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Posted - 2007.06.08 01:29:00 -
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Let's not turn this into Vill's actions were a response to us turning on in him so quickly. Let's give the members of SUN/TIC kudos for giving VIll every chance to explain himself. We all admired Vill's contributions, that's what makes the possibility of this happening so hard and emotional for many in the alliance. It just doesn't seem like it could happen with such a person of Vill's integrity. Obviously TIC was disappointed when several key members left. We knew it was a big blow. When it happened, there were tons of emails to Vill rallying support, asking new members to step up as leaders, heck we started a Forum Topic called "Support for Villwrath". It's still there and we are still having this debate. I wish I could believe Villwrath was asking MC if SUN could join, but that sadly doesn't appear to be the case. There's no excuse for Villwrath to take the assests of a joint venture started by him and Worlds. He didn't/still won't answer World's phone calls. He didn't from day one. No, I am convinced. I pray that Vill comes back, explains himself, gives back CORP/Alliance assets, and makes it look like I betrayed him for not trusting a friend, our leader. My broken heart tells me that isn't going to happen.
Geofftrin
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William Romeo
Caldari
Two Brothers Mining Corp.
The Sundering
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Posted - 2007.06.08 01:59:00 -
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Edited by: William Romeo on 08/06/2007 02:01:55
edited to correct something..... but i still think Nidia was involved.
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Geofftrin Ryne
Caldari
The Imperial Commonwealth
The Sundering
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Posted - 2007.06.08 02:52:00 -
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Bleh,
I appreciate your loyalty to Vill. I truly do. But please appreciate ours too. For the sake of our friendship, please lets not turn this into Vill did what he did because we dissed him so early. When all the directors left for your CORP, everyone was shocked. But we stayed strong and positive. Tons of emails went out rallying support for Vill,tons Bleh, asking members to stay strong, asking members to step and help Vill lead our Corp/Alliance. Bleh, if you were still in the Corp, left behind, you would have been proud of the support for Vill. Did people suspect the worse. Of course they did. When you are best friends with Vill like Worlds was, its hard to think the best when he's taken Worlds assets and won't answer phone calls, blocks convo's etc. Heck , we even started a forum called SUPPORT FOR VILLWRATH. The emotional debate is still going on. I pray I'm wrong, Vill comes back, returns assets, and proves I was wrong about him. But my heart tells me that won't happen.
Geofftrin
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Satanica Night
Emerald Empire
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Posted - 2007.06.08 03:21:00 -
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Edited by: Satanica Night on 08/06/2007 03:21:11
When EE was in SUN, this is the (bad) side of villwrath that we saw..
Horrible thing to see this happen to anybody though.
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Callthetruth
Caldari
Logical Logtistics
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Posted - 2007.06.08 03:30:00 -
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he was abandoned by a large number of his leadership he could have marched on or handed control over while not condoning what he did can understand him just going right thats it out i go can understand it more if the alliance was full of whiners if it wasnt weel its a bad move on his part
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Namlicnuoc
Auraxian Irregulars
The Sundering
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Posted - 2007.06.08 03:38:00 -
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I too don't post to or read the forums. I'm not a member of TIC and have only been a member of SUN for a short time. I post this with the hope that Vill will read this.
Frankly I don't understand any of this. Members leave TIC and the alliance and then the alliance leader leaves with alliance assets. Personally I'm not happy about any of this but I do understand that people want to play the way that's fun for them.
I understand that Vill's hurt and I understand his reasoning for locking down assets. In his place I would probably have done the same. But there are a hell of a lot of Alliance people that have done nothing to him save for following him to Hell and back. We all would have continued to follow him had he had the courtesy to at least talk to us. Tell us he's hurt and needs some time to think it out. Work with Alliance leaders to leave some sort of command structure in place. Give us a time line for a fair resolution and division of assets if he wants out. All things considered that's not much to ask.
I liked what I saw in Vill and others that have left. I don't like the lack of loyalty and lack of consideration in the actions of both sides of this whole affair. Maybe I'm just not use to a new world where honor is replaced with selfishness. Where the justification of the day is "I pay so I can do what I want". I do know that my world still has trusted friends in real life and the internet. This kind of stuff just makes trust and loyalty all that much more a valued commodity when you find it. And with that I say thank you to all of those in my Corp and the internet friends I can count on.
Talk to us Ville
Nam
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Tarphon
Caldari
KAOS.
KA0S Theory
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Posted - 2007.06.08 03:38:00 -
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Sorry to hear about your loss Sundering, corp and alliance thieves are scum. Villwrath and his alts as listed are added to my personal -10 list.
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band0fdevs
Gallente
Band of Dev's
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Posted - 2007.06.08 03:39:00 -
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i would think he has left game for good
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Jules Wolfpack
ironwood ink
The Sundering
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Posted - 2007.06.08 03:59:00 -
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Originally by: band0fdevs
i would think he has left game for good
I'd have thought the same, but as a nice "final action" of Vill, he logged on today, having already removed all roles of all in TIC, set the corp tax to 100%. What is this, payback for the already fragile state of the corp members who haven't bailed?
A real class act this one.
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Farnett
ironwood ink
The Sundering
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Posted - 2007.06.08 04:53:00 -
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If he wanted out we would've let him go, hell we might've even given him a severance package if he wanted one. Prior to his current actions we all had the utmost respect for the guy, but he has taken deliberate and un-provoked actions to try and sabotage the alliance and his former corp. His actions aren't the actions of a distaught man, they're the actions of a vengefull man.
We gave him every chance to explain himself, and some of us still don't believe what happened. But it did happen, and Vill either needs to leave the game or go run missions the rest of his life cause we'll hunt him down into whatever hole he goes and hides in.
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Goca
KAOS.
KA0S Theory
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Posted - 2007.06.08 05:59:00 -
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I figured something wasn't jiving there...
We had excellent relations up in CR with Sunderling when we were in FLA, we talked with Villwrath when we saw you guys down south, he was evasive, something we never noticed before, it was almost like we were talking to a different person..
He certainly didn't seem like the helpful, cheerful out to help everyone guy we knew when we flew with him up north..
Then to be suddenly attacked by Sunderling when we thought we had good relations and Villwrath stating basically "tough luck guys" just didn't seem right.
Sorry for your losses guys, you guys were a class act up north. He's perma red now.. s.c.u.m..
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band0fdevs
Gallente
Band of Dev's
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Posted - 2007.06.08 06:02:00 -
[37]
sounds like his decided to leave the game and go with a bang.
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Matrixcvd
The Imperial Commonwealth
The Sundering
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Posted - 2007.06.08 06:43:00 -
[38]
First, I want to thank everyone that has shown support for us in this time. It is surprising how this event has only made the SUN alliance stronger, better managed, and full of energy. This is the exact opposite road we would be on if the individuals had not left. Although it may have been costly, SUN and the future corporation, which will directly represent the current members of TIC, will take this spiteful action and move in a direction of increased potential.
as for this
Originally by: Droewa
Edited by: Droewa on 08/06/2007 00:12:03
Nidia is a member oh JAKD now. And considering the amount of respect and backing he has from other Former TIC members now in JAKD, it will take some serious proof for me to believe he would aid in any kind of corp theft.
As for Vill. Shame.
Nidia is backed by individuals who lacked true leadership and through their selfish actions ruined their collective reputations. To me this "backing" is nothing more than cronyism in the worst degree. I am glad he was allowed to really shine in his 4 day stint in TIC and bring to light the real cancer which had been plaguing the SUN alliance.
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Jules Wolfpack
ironwood ink
The Sundering
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Posted - 2007.06.08 07:16:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Goca
edit: a question, are you guys sure that is the same Villwrath, ie: could it have been sold?
We thought about that, hoping his acct was hacked and someone got a hold of it. But that wouldn't explain why he wouldn't answer his phone or return any calls, nor the email to a personal contact Vill had.
Wish that was true m8.
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Bleh131
Gallente
Dark Centuri Inc.
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.06.08 08:01:00 -
[40]
Originally by: Matrixcvd
Nidia is backed by individuals who lacked true leadership and through their selfish actions ruined their collective reputations. To me this "backing" is nothing more than cronyism in the worst degree. I am glad he was allowed to really shine in his 4 day stint in TIC and bring to light the real cancer which had been plaguing the SUN alliance.
Wait what? I liked everything you said up until that bit.
I think that if you have a problem with Nidia, you settle it in-game, rather than firing your flame cannon in his general direction and hoping it doesn't hit people that still have respect for you.
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Haerana
The Republican Guard
The Sundering
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Posted - 2007.06.08 11:40:00 -
[41]
I dont know Nidia as well as some people. Infact i barely know him at all.
But my impressions of Nidia have been less than good.
Then again i dont know him aswell as other people do.
Maybe im missing something about him.
In any case i dont think there is any needless flaming going on, or at least i hope not.
Its just people stating stuff but anyway nidia isnt the point of this thread so maybe we should leave him out of it.
I know that a great many members of SUN dislike him for reasons that i feel are justified so lets leave it at that.
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Hexxx
Minmatar
ironwood ink
The Sundering
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Posted - 2007.06.08 13:17:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Bleh131
Originally by: Matrixcvd
Nidia is backed by individuals who lacked true leadership and through their selfish actions ruined their collective reputations. To me this "backing" is nothing more than cronyism in the worst degree. I am glad he was allowed to really shine in his 4 day stint in TIC and bring to light the real cancer which had been plaguing the SUN alliance.
Wait what? I liked everything you said up until that bit.
I think that if you have a problem with Nidia, you settle it in-game, rather than firing your flame cannon in his general direction and hoping it doesn't hit people that still have respect for you.
Nidia was a catalyst, of which there is an abundance of proof.
His short presence in the Alliance caused a surprising amount of instability. Many in leadership felt he was sowing the seeds of strife with the threads he started on our forums.
He attacked (at a personal level) one of our newer member Corps (Two Brothers Mining Corp) and made a few inappropriate "joke" threads that ended up offending quite a few people. Nidia didn't have alot of fans within Sundering because he tended to polarize people. Add to that, one of his known alts scouted for Villwrath during the "escape" incident, it's quite easy to see why there is so much ill will.
Within my own Corp (I can't speak for the others), no Director cared for him and for that matter, our CEO didn't either.
All of this is documented within our forums, and all incidents involving eyewitnesses have been confirmed from multiple sources. These are the facts.
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Posted - 2007.06.08 13:22:00 -
[43]
The Sundering, & all the current members of The Imperial Commonwealth will recover from this. What Villwrath has done is lamented, since so many people trusted him, even with personal real life issues.
Its okay and perfectly legitament to feel hurt because your directors leave your corporation. BUt, No one that originally left, took anything from TIC. They left free and clear, and with their respect intact.
On the other had, Villwrath felt that EVERYTHING that The Sundering, TIC, Caps R Us, and its members had belong to him.
Villwrath's honor, reputation, and loyalty and been severely misplaced by us all.
His actions are shocking, and unwarranted. I am frankly very disappointed and at a loss for what Villwrath has done.
All we can do now is move forward as an Alliance and continue pew pewing, making ISK, and having fun.
We have already begun discussions to re-purchase what has been lost, and our Alliance has NEVER been more united.
So, Villwrath
This message is for you. As a Christian I forgive you. This is in fact a game. I dont hate you... Good luck in on your journey through life on Eve-Online and beyond.
In the Bible its says, "Believe in me, and have faith, and your enemies will be crushed before you"
Yours Truly,
Worlds
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Hexxx
Minmatar
ironwood ink
The Sundering
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Posted - 2007.06.08 13:40:00 -
[44]
Well said Worlds.
This will be my last post in this paticular thread. I don't hate Villwrath personally, I may not trust him now and I am disappointed in him, but I don't hate him.
He made the choices he felt he had to make. While I really do wish I understood why he truely did what he did, despite having ALOT of support from within his own Alliance even in the face of a mass exodus of his Directors, we are moving on.
The silver lining to this whole mess is that this "tragedy" has served to really pull the entire Alliance very closely together. Because so many pilots were affected by this at a personal level; there is a real feeling of a family pulling together. I'm quite happy to be part of the Sundering right now, and despite what's happened, I won't stop trusting my fellow pilots.
It's a matter of time before something bad eventually happens again, and the only thing we can do for now is to grow and learn and enjoy the ride!
Lastly, thanks to the words of support that our friends have given us, we truely do appreciate it. See you all in space! 
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ValleHull
Caldari
The Republican Guard
The Sundering
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Posted - 2007.06.08 14:05:00 -
[45]
The only thing i'm going to ad to this is, if Vill has no problem taking all the ISK from his hard working corp, the corp he was CEO of, and didn't have a problem cleaning out SUN of its ISK(which alot of members invested their hard earned ISK into the cap ship production, i personally am out 90 mil but honestly i don't care) and capitol BPO's whats to think he won't steal from one of you?
I'm thankful those that posted have blacklisted him. But there is always that one person who thinks " Hey i don't care what he did i can use those assets". Well my response to you would be, watch yourself cus he'll do the same to you eventually.
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Malicel
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Posted - 2007.06.08 18:19:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Droewa
Edited by: Droewa on 08/06/2007 00:12:03
Nidia is a member oh JAKD now. And considering the amount of respect and backing he has from other Former TIC members now in JAKD, it will take some serious proof for me to believe he would aid in any kind of corp theft.
As for Vill. Shame.
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Malicel
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Posted - 2007.06.08 18:24:00 -
[47]
Schedule of shady events:
- Nidia joins the alliance.
- Nidia starts problems within alliance by starting arguments.
- Nidia leaves alliance bringing several other guys to fix.
- Corp and alliance assets go missing.
Be careful FIX I don't think this is just a coincidence. Villwrath could of really freaked out but also he could of had help.
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Lilan Kahn
Amarr
The Littlest Hobos
Betrayal Under Mayhem
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Posted - 2007.06.08 21:18:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Malicel
Schedule of shady events:
- Nidia joins the alliance.
- Nidia starts problems within alliance by starting arguments.
- Nidia leaves alliance bringing several other guys to fix.
- Corp and alliance assets go missing.
Be careful FIX I don't think this is just a coincidence. Villwrath could of really freaked out but also he could of had help.
Nidia is a stright guy get a grip.
now if you whanted to know who is the real thife i coud sell you that infomation
Originally by: Eris Discordia
We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
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Algey
The Littlest Hobos
Betrayal Under Mayhem
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Posted - 2007.06.08 21:21:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Malicel
Schedule of shady events:
- Nidia joins the alliance.
- Nidia starts problems within alliance by starting arguments.
- Nidia leaves alliance bringing several other guys to fix.
- Corp and alliance assets go missing.
Be careful FIX I don't think this is just a coincidence. Villwrath could of really freaked out but also he could of had help.
Were you one of the people Nidia argued with? Kinda sounds like it.
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Uco
The Imperial Commonwealth
The Sundering
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Posted - 2007.06.08 21:39:00 -
[50]
Nidia argued with every one
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Mariko San
Silver Snake Enterprise
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Posted - 2007.06.08 21:46:00 -
[51]
Having known Vil since the begining of TIC back when zerx of all people was still ceo and playing eve, I feel like I have got a good idea about what kind of person he is.
I personally have been in and out of TIC several times in the last year+ with a character here and there just to try and stay in contact with a couple individuals ingame. I have observed vil slowly change since he started playing eve, and I eventually assumed somthing like this would happen. For one simple reason.... and I know this will get alot of flamage going but it needs to be said.
Vil gave his life to TIC and eventually SUN , his amibtions were too large and you could tell it was slowly eating at him. Which to me is sad because ultimately this is just a game and no one should ever get that serious over somthing that is meant to be fun and entertaining.
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In my opinion the individuals that left TIC right before this incident (curiously enough.. just kidding guys :)) are the unintentional cause of his actions. Nidia (as previously discussed in this thread) in my opinion, was not aiding vil in any of this, although i could be wrong. yes nidia is a smart*** and gets rather rude with people very quickly, esspecially on the sundering forums as mentioned ( I think he is bi-polar maybe?) but overall I feel had no part in this. Most of the others that left I dont really know too well other than bleh and king .... and those two individuals are class acts as far as I am concerned.
To the ex-sun members: I wish you the best and just try to ignore all of the hatefullness that ppl bring to the forums.
To SUN: I understand that you feel the need to plaster vil's name on the forums to warn ppl , relieve a little anger, and rightly so. But to throw people into the fire like you have (Nidia) is really a bit much and you should feel ashamed. Now maybe Nidia did and maybe nidia didnt help vil get out of wicked creek, but even if he did... isnt it possible that at the time he had no IDEA what vil had done and was just helping a friend. Now i understand that your probably going to respond with "OH HE KNEW" or some other rubbish, but that is just an example of one of a thousand reasons why/if nidia would of helped him. So unless you have proof ... STFU. Other than that, I wish you all the best as well, and hope that SUN not only lives on, but grows to be a major power in the eve universe in the future!
And lastly, to Vil: I honestly cant be mad at you because I have seen how much devotion you put into TIC and SUN, and when your top guys started bailing on you, it was too much apparently, but ... from this point on you and your alts will forever be restricted to -10.0 status to me, because although I am not angered... I am ashamed.
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Algey
The Littlest Hobos
Betrayal Under Mayhem
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Posted - 2007.06.08 22:05:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Uco
Nidia argued with every one
So she scouted your alliance leader out while in a station and arguing with him?
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Jules Wolfpack
ironwood ink
The Sundering
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Posted - 2007.06.09 02:04:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Mariko San
isnt it possible that at the time he had no IDEA what vil had done and was just helping a friend. Now i understand that your probably going to respond with "OH HE KNEW" or some other rubbish, but that is just an example of one of a thousand reasons why/if nidia would of helped him. So unless you have proof ... STFU.
It's possible, but given that everyone that left for FIX (to the corp that Nidia joined) knew days before Vill ever made a break for it that he emptied every wallet he could get a hold off and seized the BPO's, etc. for Nidia to deny that he knew that Vill didn't do it is just insane.
If you know Nidia, then you know this sort of thing isn't going to slide past him.
Do I have proof? What proof am I supposed to have? It's true I wasn't sitting with him at his CPU, and I didn't do a IP trace on his alts acct. to verify it's the same as Nidia Masters, but I was there when the alt scouted him out of WC. That's all I can offer in terms of proof, but what else can one prove in this game.
I don't have any clue what part Nidia had in this theft, if he got a cut, if he was just helping his buddy and didn't want any part. I honestly don't know. What do I know is he was there and assisted Vill to get out of system.
Believe what you want. These are simply the facts as I witnessed them.
All we've attempted to do here is simply vent a little frustration, expose a villain and scoundrel, and share with our community the perils of Eve when one person betrays your trust. It wasn't meant to slander any other TIC or ex-TIC member for the sake of it. Nidia was mentioned (by me) because he assisted Vill. Did he know? Was he an accomplice? Why don't you ask him and see if you trust what you hear and think what you want.
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Hexxx
Minmatar
ironwood ink
The Sundering
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Posted - 2007.06.09 02:49:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Algey
Originally by: Uco
Nidia argued with every one
So she scouted your alliance leader out while in a station and arguing with him?
You know what he meant; the cute little asides aren't necessary.
Nidia does not stand accused of anything in paticular. He is however generally attributed to causing a great deal of instability and conflict internally within the Alliance...despite being there for on 4 days. Before Nidia, there was hardly any internal turmoil to speak of.
Compounding this are numerous "suspicious coincidences" and, as we're all aware, perception may not be reality, but it comes close awfully close in alot of peoples eyes.
But, as a reminder, this thread really isn't so much about Nidia as it is Villwrath. This thread is also not about slamming him over and over; many of us are sad that someone who did so much and gave so much would do this. It doesn't make sense to alot of us and the shock STILL hasn't worn off. Yes, we're angry to some degree, but we're also sad to lose such a great person.
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Cubic
ironwood ink
The Sundering
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Posted - 2007.06.09 12:15:00 -
[55]
I would like now for all the cross flaming to end, i believe all that needs to be said has been said.
Villwrath as regarded by most as a very upstanding individual turned against us after days of our support, stealing not just collective investments but personal ones of his "closest" friends he knew both in game and real life. he removed all roles from people in his corporation and set the corp tax to 100%. he attempted to steal an account from his "friend" to further his endevours. he refused all contact in game and real life for days before anybody in the alliance even began to slander his name (which is a long time for a guy that plays for hours every day).
It was nidia that after entering the alliance began to insult as many people as possible before leaving followed by the senior members of TIC, shortly after which vill severed contact. He was aided by an alt of Nidia Masters, seen scouting him out of the area many days after all the FIX guys knew of the incident unfolding.
To those that had left TIC to FIX whom were previsouly directors, allow me to extend my kindest thanks for your efforts within the alliance, and state that the alliance as a whole does not in any way regard your actions as having tainted your upstanding reputation.
The facts, nothing but.
Im sure everyone now knows their names and can make of it what they wish.
Officially we wish it to be known that we, The Sundering, will continue as normal. Although bruised, we have pulled together to do all that is necessary. Thankyou all for your support and understanding.
Regards, Cubic
Ironwood CEO - The Sundering
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Algey
The Littlest Hobos
Betrayal Under Mayhem
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Posted - 2007.06.09 15:13:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Hexxx
Originally by: Algey
Originally by: Uco
Nidia argued with every one
So she scouted your alliance leader out while in a station and arguing with him?
You know what he meant; the cute little asides aren't necessary.
Nidia does not stand accused of anything in paticular. He is however generally attributed to causing a great deal of instability and conflict internally within the Alliance...despite being there for on 4 days. Before Nidia, there was hardly any internal turmoil to speak of.
Compounding this are numerous "suspicious coincidences" and, as we're all aware, perception may not be reality, but it comes close awfully close in alot of peoples eyes.
You claim there was no trouble, and that as soon as Nidia turned up there was nothing but arguments and your alliance fell appart, and it's all Nidias fault. Fell appart in a matter of 4 days.
You then claim that Satan, er Nidia helped your now mute and probably mind controlled/mad boss to run off with everything.
If you'd kept to the facts rather than trying to drag Nidia into the sorry mess of your alliance this thread would have a lot more worth.
4 days, and there was no problem before that...
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hellwarrior
Caldari
Endgame.
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Posted - 2007.06.09 15:44:00 -
[57]
i'm still laughing.
and you thought my nanophoon in YA0 was something to fear.
unfortuanate though, there are a few good guys the, the rest deserved to get ccok slapped
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Altair Mogwa
Elite Storm Enterprises
Storm Armada
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Posted - 2007.06.09 18:17:00 -
[58]
I can't imagine what it would feel like to be in this situation. It may be just a game, but a game that is different because you have to work to build assets. That takes time, and RL money.
Very sorry to hear of such epic theft. Best of luck in your future. If I see the name up north in 0.0 local, I'll be sure to pursue until on my overview.
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The RepoMan
Caldari
Red Horizon Inc
Red Horizon
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Posted - 2007.06.09 20:51:00 -
[59]
Hm, flown with vill quite a few times, wouldnt have figured him for the corp theif type. Ah well, I'll be sure to ask him about it when his pod is tackled.
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VinceNoir
Amarr
Pyrrhus Sicarii
Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.09 21:09:00 -
[60]
Originally by: William Romeo
Edited by: William Romeo on 08/06/2007 02:01:55
edited to correct something..... but i still think Nidia was involved.
Your sig is gonna get pwnt son. Max size is 400x120 and 22kb.
Originally by: "Shanda Captison"
Vince, you can't even spell ECM m8
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Archilies
The Wild Hunt
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.10 02:45:00 -
[61]
Where did the 35billion come from and what were the assets if you dnt mind my asking? e.g., was the money from all the corps over a certain peroid of time?
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Quutar
Caldari
Auraxian Irregulars
The Sundering
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Posted - 2007.06.10 03:22:00 -
[62]
he claimes 35 billion worth of "assets"
most of it is from a alliance capital ship building venture, the researched BPOs... which was paid for with shares sold to members in the alliance
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ValleHull
Caldari
The Republican Guard
The Sundering
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Posted - 2007.06.10 04:15:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Archilies
Where did the 35billion come from and what were the assets if you dnt mind my asking? e.g., was the money from all the corps over a certain peroid of time?
35 billion includes all capitol ship BPO's from Caps 'R' Us which was our cap ship building corp. 700+ shares were released to alliance members at 30 mill isk a share. Knowing at the time that this was a great business opportunity SUN member bought up all shares, the isk was used to purchase all the BPO's with remaining isk to be used when building started.
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Alexandra Mauler
Caldari
Steel Battalion
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Posted - 2007.06.10 06:10:00 -
[64]
As a long time member of Steel Battalion and a former member of the Sundering Allaince, i'm sorry to hear about this tragic incident. Unfortunately all I can do is wish The Sundering good luck and a break from all the drama that certainly infolded it while Steel Battalion was a member. The best of Luck and I hope you have Calm Space in your new region just like Deklien used to be.
Thanks, Alex, Steel Battalion Officer
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Emrod
Legion Du Lys
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.10 06:13:00 -
[65]
Steal assets is bad mkay !
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Danno
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.06.10 11:04:00 -
[66]
you guys mentioned rl friends , phone numbers etc.. why dont u try find him and go bust his head open?
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Romulus XII
Red Eagle Intl.
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.10 22:19:00 -
[67]
If the BPOs were bought as an investment and shares were sold for alliance members, why werent they locked???
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Quutar
Caldari
Auraxian Irregulars
The Sundering
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Posted - 2007.06.10 23:59:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Romulus XII
If the BPOs were bought as an investment and shares were sold for alliance members, why werent they locked???
They were stolen the day before they were to be locked...
I had just delivered the BPOs after research (I run an R&D business)
they were to be locked down that night... but it got delayed until the next day... by then it was to late.
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Hexxx
Minmatar
ironwood ink
The Sundering
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Posted - 2007.06.11 17:15:00 -
[69]
Edited by: Hexxx on 11/06/2007 17:15:05
Originally by: Algey
Edited by: Algey on 09/06/2007 15:56:09
Originally by: Hexxx
Originally by: Algey
Originally by: Uco
Nidia argued with every one
So she scouted your alliance leader out while in a station and arguing with him?
You know what he meant; the cute little asides aren't necessary.
Nidia does not stand accused of anything in paticular. He is however generally attributed to causing a great deal of instability and conflict internally within the Alliance...despite being there for on 4 days. Before Nidia, there was hardly any internal turmoil to speak of.
Compounding this are numerous "suspicious coincidences" and, as we're all aware, perception may not be reality, but it comes close awfully close in alot of peoples eyes.
You claim there was no trouble, and that as soon as Nidia turned up there was nothing but arguments and your alliance fell apart, and it's all Nidias fault. Fell apart in a matter of 4 days.
You then claim that Satan, er Nidia helped your now mute and probably mind controlled/mad boss to run off with everything.
If you'd kept to the facts rather than trying to drag Nidia into the sorry mess of your alliance this thread would have a lot more worth.
4 days, and there was no problem before that...
poor spelling ftl 
All you have accomplished is a "straw man" arguement.
Those within the Alliance are the ones most qualified to speak on the subject of his actions and what they resulted in. We call this first hand experience.
You, on the other hand, are handing down speculation despite being completely uninvolved.
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Sloth Ren
Auraxian Irregulars
The Sundering
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Posted - 2007.06.12 12:26:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Bleh131
Now - let's take a look at Vill's current situation before you all assumed he turned thief...
His directors left.
His diplomats left.
In other words, SUN's heart had been stabbed. Being bogged down heavily in real life atm, and having nobody he FULLY TRUSTED (see: Having known for years), he decided to seize all assets in an effort to temporarily halt all production ventures, secure the wallet at this vulnerable state, and rebuild the alliance.
BULL CRAP!
OK...its about time someone eles says this. Vill did not steal from TIC. He stole from The Sundering.
He did not just steal from his corp, he stole from the alliance; of which I belong. I helped build the alliance just as did every other member of every other corp that joined this alliance. The time I contributed in mining the ore, flying ops to secure our space and doing all the little things that alowed him to build the alliance wallet is what he has betrayed. He did not do all this alone.
The audacity of one man to think he is the only one who has put time into anything that involes other people deserves all the derision that those people can place on him.
Originally by: Bleh131
Well you know what? After such a blatantly public and personal attack on Villwrath on these forums, I wouldn't be one bit surprised if he did decide to turn his back on all of you.
Uh, hello? He did that when he stole the alliance assets. All the rest is you just flapping your lips on his behalf.
Originally by: Bleh131
I still fully trust Villwrath, and have faith in his decision, no matter how epically horrible it may look to the public eye, because I am sure that if the alliance continues to have faith in him, the assets will most likely be returned.
What you don't get is that we don't give a rats ass about the assets. Its the TRUST that has been stolen and he does not have the ability to return that.
Keep those assest Vill, I hope you choke on them.
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Khelia
Gallente
Stardust Heavy Industries
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.06.13 04:33:00 -
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Edited by: Khelia on 13/06/2007 04:32:22
I finally got some spare time to read the thread and write an answer.
I am very sorry to hear about that, it's a real tragedy.
Fly safe and all the best SUN.
- Khelia
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Kitia
STK Scientific
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.06.13 12:05:00 -
[72]
Wile the loss of isk can be replaced the loss of trust is a far bigger thing, in a game where everything is virtual other than our feelings and the spirit of comradeship for your corp and alliance.
There are No lower than a corp thief, they are the scum of the pond that is eve.
I wish you luck Sun, I hope you draw strength from this experance, and go on to better things.
Kit
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