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Alski Gallente Di-Tron Heavy Industries	Posted - 2007.06.08 08:09:00 - [31] That’s a lot of different points to share my thoughts on so I'll try and keep em short. I still think Eve is unique enough to hold its niche in the market, although STonline looks fantastic it's in two niches of its own, 1: there is (afaik) absolutely no PvP, and 2. its Star Trek, which is fantastic if you like Star Trek, if you don't then its probably a negative factor. In short, I still don't think Eve has any direct competition, esp. not in its genre. I don’t really know what can be said about the audit thing, it’s a good thing, it shows ccp are concerned about the concerns of the player base, it’s a demonstration of the fact that ccp are not out to wreck there own game, and a bunch of people are gonna have a cool week in Iceland. :D Tbh I think most of the people who took the allegations of corruption so seriously (and imho beyond all sensible scale) who were going to quit probably have quit already, the rest just acknowledge that not everything is perfect, something definitely needs to be done, but in reality a hugely overwhelming majority of players (I'm tempted to spew 99.x%) were not effected by any of it in the slightest. Originally by: Grath Telkin Things are unfolding in EVE, which will be unchangeable once in effect. If the possible decline of a game is outside your realm of belief, i need only point to SWG, i mean come on, its a starwars game. there should be enough SW geeks to start a whole new country, and yet one poor decision by developers basically killed that game. Two things: 1. SWG wasn't killed by one mistake, it was killed by lots and lots and lots of mistakes, bad management, bad planning, bad programming, bad bug hunting, bad PR, several horribly bad expansions that actually nurfed more than expanded etc etc etc, I don't see anything that happened with SWG / SOE that is comparable with Eve / CCP. And 2. quote: "Things are unfolding in EVE, which will be unchangeable once in effect" I'm not entirely sure what your referring to there, if it’s the "what if BoB conquer all of 0.0" thing then as I've said above, its highly unlikely, and even it is were possible and in BoB's interests and they succeeded…. Well that’s the game isn't it? -
Noluck Ned FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.08 08:33:00 - [32] With due respect to the OP: Why such a defeatist attitude? Propaganda has always had a big impact on this game and from what you wrote I would say you are working for BOB. We who are fighting in this war are well aware that its far from over. Posts like yours help our cause in many ways, most notably by instilling within your side the idea that they have already lost. I save my respect in this game for enemies such as RZR and MM. They bring it time and again and you dont see them running to the forums every five minutes to whine about it. So in conclusion I would like to thank you for this post. Its value is that it has chipped away a tiny bit more of the enemy morale and combined with the sheer amount of posts like these is doing a lot to ensure our victory. Thanks again. o/
Illyria Ambri Caldari RennTech	Posted - 2007.06.08 08:33:00 - [33] Originally by: Alski I'm not entirely sure what your referring to there, if itÆs the "what if BoB conquer all of 0.0" thing then as I've said above, its highly unlikely, and even it is were possible and in BoB's interests and they succeededà. Well thatÆs the game isn't it? I beleive we can now quote a New York times article where it is directly stated that conquering all of 0.0 space is "in BoB's interests" ------------ This is not War... This is pest control - Dalek Sek
DarkFenix Caldari Pilots Of Honour	Posted - 2007.06.08 08:46:00 - [34] BoB will never control all of 0.0. They don't have the manpower. Still, no other entity is competent enough to oppose them. Oh, and weak attempt at flamebait.
McRuder Gallente Blue Labs Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.06.08 08:57:00 - [35] This is not the first war in EVE, and probably not the last. Some of us has been here since the beginning, have lived through all the wars and nerfs, and we still playing. EVE has a continuous stream of new players, and players leaving. TBH I think there are other things besides the BoB war thats making people leave. They are just one more alliance that has risen and will eventually fall. Because people make such time investments into this game, and the relationships with others, anything that severely impacts your game will be met with emotional responses. Many examples of this lately. Like you other people do not want their game broken, and honestly I do not think the power to do that lies with any specific group in the playerbase, or a few devs that works outside the rules. I have no confidence in CCP methods of dealing with issues, especially with their new PR stunt, but I do have lots of confidence in their ability to maintain the game. So after all is said and done we will still live in 0.0 somewhere, still beg people to x up, and we will still shoot each other. Its been like that the past 4 years, and will probably be the next 4 too. Relax and get back to the pewpew
Relevohs	Posted - 2007.06.08 09:47:00 - [36] Bob bob, I'm sick of Bob. While I personally have nothing against Bob peeps or the fact that they are playing the game the way that it was ment to be played. What I do have a serious bit about is there isn't a counter to this gimp, either via game mechanics or in the player based. The cold, hard fact is, it's insanely easy to beat Bob. ASCN was proof. Members (i.e. Slaves) of Bob SIMPLY need to refuse to pay the stupid fees they are paying, drop from the alliance (duh) and turn on Bob/don't show up for the fights. Gee - that's rocket science. The REAL fun to Eve was and would again be the MUCH smaller alliances controlling MUCH smaller sections of 0.0 per where we once again roam in our smaller 0.0 gangs/fleets beating the hell outta each other, energizing the overall Eve economy again. Having allainces of 1/7 of the online community is simply dumb. Here's a sample: 1. Join an 0.0 alliance 2. Bob sends their scout command ship / inty gangs into your space, you know what's coming soon 3. Bob war dec's your alliance soon after 4. Back to empire with you (pain in the ass) 5. Find a new 0.0 home, move your again 6. Couple months later.. wash, rinse, repeat Ooo - now that's fun! No - that's just stupid. Moving Eve back to realistic fights where alliances actually make sense due to size contraints so that 0.0 contests now become more realistic and unpredictable - now THAT's a helluva lot more interesting. I HIGHLY doubt CCP "hoped" for what is going on now. In response to some of the "so and so can beat BoB" or "if you don't like it, join Bob" (or join abc alliance) - that's an old "I have no good response, so I'll just say this". You've ignored the point. Last I checked, the application for Eve Online didn't have a few check boxes like "For more online freedom, select your alliance: [ ] Bob [ ] Concord". The online world is about enjoyment. Eve was about the non-constrained freedom (i.e. be a pirate, corporate thief, etc). Again, I'm simply convinced that CCP simply didn't anticipate the current situation that is really hurting overall freedoms. That is, the situation where corps en-mass have no choice by to "give in" to the major alliance - a self-propogating problem, easily resolved (re-read the above for the resolution). ---------------------------------------------- Minmatar News Network (MNN) tm Your** news source, covering violence and mayhem with compassion.
Ty'derian Brutor tribe	Posted - 2007.06.08 09:53:00 - [37] Originally by: Grath Telkin Ok, so i titled this correctly, because its become Bob's war. I realize that all its vassal's have put in some hard work, but essentially, this is their war. So my question is simply this: What are the plans being made to keep 0.0 pvp players in the game now that BOB has essentially won? I mean honestly, the developers have a strong alliance for one reason or another, and now, they have just about closed up shop in the north, meaning they can sweep south with no Titan's to oppose their force. So for all of us who have fought and died to stop them, who now have no home, and are still for one reason or another loathe to join forces with them, why will we stay? Did the developers ever think about what would happen to their game if they won the war? 0.0 players just don't want to live in empire, and sorry to say, that if all of the 0.0 players not allied to BOB leave the game, it will become mildly desolate here. This is and always has been my primary argument against what BOB is. I understand that they need to see the game from the inside, to monitor and live out all its bugs and problems first hand, but they made the mistake of becoming involved in the games internal politics, which in the long run may end up killing their game. So what will happen to EVE once BOB "wins" the war that has been raging for so long?? And in hindsight, wouldn't it have been smarter to just stay out of in game politics and see how their game naturally developed without forcing it into a particular direction as they have done by participating in the war? Realizing that this is a touchy subject, i expect many hot headed answers to this question, but I'm honestly asking a serious question. In one way or another, you have contaminated your own project, how will you deal with what you've done? I've heard about everything being changed in one way or another, "cloaks need to be nerfed, nos needs to be nerfed, titans need to be nerfed". How about "Now what?" since you've finally gotten what you wanted. you talk to much about BOB the north wasen't BOB, BOB only helped. the War was won by Tri(no Pet's), by MC, YouWhat and the rest.
Wai'Rich MoFo	Posted - 2007.06.08 10:01:00 - [38] Edited by: Wai''Rich MoFo on 08/06/2007 10:01:27 OK, heres how i see things right now. BoB is indeed sweeping the board, theres very few who can honestly deny this so we'll assume its true for purposes of this post. BoB have always said they want to PvP against a worthy advesary, plain and simple. They have also said that they held off on attacking the north because they didnt think they were strong enough AT THE TIME to put up a substantial fight when the choice was there between D2 and ASCN. Its all about the pew pew and who can give them the real challenge they crave. So the way i see things developing will be a period of social engineering by bob, they will take this time to put alliances into place they feel could be built up to be a threat to them in time. This seems to be happening now. The people who are thier allies atm are being given space and will be allowed time to build up by bob before a standings reset and we start all over again. Its a PvP game after all and thats what we all want to do, isnt it? Realistically, now is the time to decide what you want to do. Swallow the pride and join up with one ofn the allied alliances and prepare for the fight to come or continue complaining, quit or whatever. The choice is yours
Sakura Nihil Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.06.08 10:18:00 - [39] Bleh, keep the BoB speculation posts in CAOD, please . Looking for a relaxed ingame RP channel to join? La Maison De Tous Les Plaisirs
Tecam Hund The Buggers	Posted - 2007.06.08 10:26:00 - [40] Originally by: Sakura Nihil Bleh, keep the BoB speculation posts in CAOD, please . But we are all in grave danger! People need to know!
DarkMatter Amarr Mineral Aquisition Group	Posted - 2007.06.08 10:35:00 - [41] Edited by: DarkMatter on 08/06/2007 10:34:43 I think the problem is leadership. Anyone who is any good at fighting Bob, eventually loses to them, and then joins them! There are less and less likely leaders out there to actually form an alliance and lead the fight against Bob. My main was in LV, and during the great southern war, I saw us align with Bob, which I did not like at all, but understood considering what we were facing. Then after we lost, I saw a bunch of players, very good LV players go to Bob. If this trend continues, yes, Bob will own the whole map. How can they not if they keep scooping up the best players in the game? I guess everyone wants to be on the winning team. What other alliance gets to choose the pick of the liter? Most other alliances have to recruit recruit recruit for bodies, that they just fling at the enemy... It's all because Bob has the best group of leaders. Not just one, but many... There is no stopping the machine if they continue to pick up the best pieces of what they destroy... Building the homestead
SirMolle Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.08 10:42:00 - [42] You know... If you put as much effort into try to stop us as you do at posting essays on the forums, you might discover that YOU can make a change. Stop whining and strap on some guns.
Ovno ConSyquence Amarr The Plebians	Posted - 2007.06.08 10:42:00 - [43] Once bob control all of .0 they'll just reset their standings and start all over again, its what they do...
DarkMatter Amarr Mineral Aquisition Group	Posted - 2007.06.08 11:00:00 - [44] Edited by: DarkMatter on 08/06/2007 10:59:56 Originally by: SirMolle You know... If you put as much effort into try to stop us as you do at posting essays on the forums, you might discover that YOU can make a change. Stop whining and strap on some guns. You have been playing EVE as long as I have dude. What makes you think things will change? Now I was just a very part time player when I was in LV, but I thought that alliance had very good leadership. At least M. Corp did. I was appalled at the way LV folded. CA, Keiretsu and then LV. My alliance experience in EVE was filled with failed leadership and gut wrenching losses, POS spamming and big time lag. Most players in EVE have experienced the same exact thing, except for maybe those in Bob (the failed leadership part). And if you keep the best of what you kill, yes, you will own all of 0.0 at some point... The people whining here, are obviously not leaders, so telling them what you have won't change things... It saddens me that no one can form an alliance that can take you guys on. When that type of alliance pops up, they seem to have the same mentality as Bob, and then you eventually ally with them and then assimilate their best players over a period of time... After playing this game for 4 years, It just seems like what you ask for is simply not going to happen... Just my opinion... Building the homestead
Shinigami Gallente Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.08 11:05:00 - [45] Maybe we can open up a camp for the poor homeless 0.0 pvp pilots. It could be a small omist constellation. Everyone would be allowed to mine for BoB in the free bantams we assign. SirMolle could even deliver quafe and amarrian wheat to the pri...residents in his titan. What more could you ask for from your 0.0 experience? --- Eve Comedy Gallery.
Lecram Xores FinFleet	Posted - 2007.06.08 11:07:00 - [46] The war is lost for 2 reasons : - The coalition was build on crappy foundation, RA - elite farmers( not many like them because of that) and goons - goons - bandwagoon, it's easy to jump in but you wont be commited when the looses begun The amount of pilots the coalition got at the begining.. was huge, but as the momentum passed they begin to loose. I bet some of bob people got really scared imagining the blob these alliance could gather. Now, what will happen.. in my mind.RA and Goons loose most of their space, then the Alliance is over. - Small skirmishes will begin, new alliances will be founded - And the battle will begin again and maybe this time, the bob opponents will have a better foundation, someone who people can trust their ships too ;) and be glad too loose them Bob will never get all 0.0, because you guys wont let them
K'thang Gallente Ferengi Trade Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.08 11:10:00 - [47] I'm not that interested in the 0.0 wars really, but there is usually one truth about great empires be it in real-life or in a MMO. They tend to fall apart from within, eventually. Great empires becomes so due to superior firepower and fighting-skill amongst their people. If it would come to the point where BoB or any other big alliance "owns everything" there would be no one left to fight for those that joined up for just that reason. So then a big alliance can break up into smaller factions, civil war, uprisings and all that. And after a while, it all begins again.
Nate Hammertown Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.06.08 11:11:00 - [48] whats up im nate hammertown think how fun that name is to say "nate hammertown" thats a lot of fun \|)) =D-------
Van Steiza	Posted - 2007.06.08 11:29:00 - [49] Edited by: Van Steiza on 08/06/2007 11:28:13 o.o
Van Steiza	Posted - 2007.06.08 11:30:00 - [50] Originally by: Shinigami Maybe we can open up a camp for the poor homeless 0.0 pvp pilots. It could be a small omist constellation. Everyone would be allowed to mine for BoB in the free bantams we assign. SirMolle could even deliver quafe and amarrian wheat to the pri...residents in his titan. What more could you ask for from your 0.0 experience? Nice one !
Irongut M'8'S Frontal Impact	Posted - 2007.06.08 11:32:00 - [51] Originally by: Grath Telkin and i worded this softly because ive known account suspensions to come down from on high when BOB discussions come up Really? You think you were tactful with all those mentions of BoB being the developers? I'm suprised the thread hasn't been locked yet. My software never has bugs. It just develops random features.
Solimun Klagg	Posted - 2007.06.08 11:34:00 - [52] It's always easier to take over unorganized and fractured space. If everyone that dislikes BoB would strap on their guns and fight for the time it takes to break their back, this discussion would be over. Until then, well you know
DarkMatter Amarr Mineral Aquisition Group	Posted - 2007.06.08 11:42:00 - [53] Edited by: DarkMatter on 08/06/2007 11:41:19 Originally by: Solimun Klagg It's always easier to take over unorganized and fractured space. If everyone that dislikes BoB would strap on their guns and fight for the time it takes to break their back, this discussion would be over. Until then, well you know How often does a band of loose rebels defeat a war machine? Not very often... Not just stave them off, but invade and defeat them... The bond that holds most alliances together is simply not as stong as Bob's. I don't see how that will ever change, as the players who have the capacity to bond that way, just end up in Bob... Maybe the new SOV system will help... Building the homestead
Vladimir Ilych Gradient	Posted - 2007.06.08 11:47:00 - [54] Originally by: K'thang I'm not that interested in the 0.0 wars really, but there is usually one truth about great empires be it in real-life or in a MMO. They tend to fall apart from within, eventually. Great empires becomes so due to superior firepower and fighting-skill amongst their people. If it would come to the point where BoB or any other big alliance "owns everything" there would be no one left to fight for those that joined up for just that reason. So then a big alliance can break up into smaller factions, civil war, uprisings and all that. And after a while, it all begins again. I am in agreement. IF BoB ended up with all of 0.0 (and looking at the map they have a look way to go yet) someone would get bored or disagreee with the direction of the alliance and then start fighting amongst themselves.
DarkMatter Amarr Mineral Aquisition Group	Posted - 2007.06.08 11:55:00 - [55] Quote: I am in agreement. IF BoB ended up with all of 0.0 (and looking at the map they have a look way to go yet) someone would get bored or disagreee with the direction of the alliance and then start fighting amongst themselves. Why do people assume this? Once 0.0 is locked down, there is a lot of low sec to go after and control, even without SOV it can be controlled... Building the homestead
Nate Hammertown Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.06.08 11:55:00 - [56] Originally by: SirMolle You know... If you put as much effort into try to stop us as you do at posting essays on the forums, you might discover that YOU can make a change. Stop whining and strap on some guns. hi \|)) =D-------
Vladimir Ilych Gradient	Posted - 2007.06.08 13:09:00 - [57] Originally by: DarkMatter Quote: I am in agreement. IF BoB ended up with all of 0.0 (and looking at the map they have a look way to go yet) someone would get bored or disagreee with the direction of the alliance and then start fighting amongst themselves. Why do people assume this? Once 0.0 is locked down, there is a lot of low sec to go after and control, even without SOV it can be controlled... Just a matter of opinion.
Beor0d Congregatio	Posted - 2007.06.08 13:24:00 - [58] Don't be afraid friends, its just a matter of time till EVERY empire fails. Never watched History Channel? _______________________ Mining makes mad
TRYPTIC Aliastra	Posted - 2007.06.08 13:36:00 - [59] It occurs to me that, maybe, BoB doesn't need to win all of 0.0 in a military fashion. Nor do they need to openly claim to control every system or region. BoB just needs to keep every other possible competitor weaker than themselves - create problems for these competitors via agent provaceteurs (sp?). Consider BoB's destruction of D2's Titan, where a BoB "plant" used game mechanics to aggro the Titan just as its pilot was logging off. BoB has a great PvP force. Maybe their spy force is no less powerful. It's not a huge reach of the imagination to think that BoB's directors have identified several possible competitors and then placed people in those alliances to keep BoB informed. Once BoB has identified a threat, they can then create internal and external problems for that alliance -- indirectly affect that alliance's plans making it much harder for the alliance to become a true competitor to BoB's power. Using this scenario, BoB's hand in the affairs of another alliance never needs to become apparent! BoB stays on top and the other possible competitors never become strong enough to threaten BoB.
DJ LUKA	Posted - 2007.06.08 13:37:00 - [60] Well im sorry but i will have a say on this subject. No i dont care what replies you write to it either cause i dont troll the forums and start ranting on about others in game! However BOB WILL CONTINUE TO DOMINATE this game untill those that arnt bob decide that they arnt big enough to cause them any threat and finaly decide (through finally getting brains) that the north need to team up, and team up you must if the 4 titans are to go down and bob is to lose any space they control! But in BOB'S credit they do what they do effectivly cause of their team work and no other reason and to defeat a team you need a team end of bye!

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