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Sidrat Flush
Caldari Wolf Pack Enterprises E.A.R.T.H. Federation
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Posted - 2007.06.12 07:08:00 -
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You're worrying about something that hasn't happened yet.
I suppose in your circumstance you'll never set BoB or their vassal states to blue so you won't have to worry about not having pew pew opportunities.
Eve Diplomacy is very interesting, sometimes (if not more often) more interesting than actual fleet/blob combat.
Really if an alliance WANTS to build up a dread/MS fleet they only have to buy certain parts from certain people and transport them to an out of the way system for a while.
0.0 Won't be truly conquered until every 0.0 system has an outpost in it anyway.
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DeckardIRL
Bombshell Cartel
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Posted - 2007.06.12 11:12:00 -
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The only time renters would go to war was if BoB did a standings reset. Considering the time and effort put into this war by Allied forces I don't think BoB would consider that for a while.
There is alot of consolidation to be done and there still is alot of fighting to be done.
There have been Blue on Blue incidents however, and there are tensions between some renters...
Deck
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Wesley Baird
Ever Flow FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.12 14:01:00 -
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So when will BOB turn on MC? Or will MC be the first to turn on BOB? To me those are more interesting questions than what do landlords do when small alliances go to war....
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Erfnam
Time Cube Syndicate Legionnaire Services Ltd.
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Posted - 2007.06.12 14:38:00 -
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Originally by: Wesley Baird So when will BOB turn on MC? Or will MC be the first to turn on BOB? To me those are more interesting questions than what do landlords do when small alliances go to war....
MC wouldn't exactly turn on BOB, they're mercs. They're only loyal to their current client. There are a few instances already where MC assisted an alliance, only to be hired by that same alliance's enemy. Sales: Capital Ships | Covetors Delivered - Bulk/Package/BYOM |
Trak Cranker
Feral Tendency Ratel Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.12 15:10:00 -
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Originally by: Erfnam
Originally by: Wesley Baird So when will BOB turn on MC? Or will MC be the first to turn on BOB? To me those are more interesting questions than what do landlords do when small alliances go to war....
MC wouldn't exactly turn on BOB, they're mercs. They're only loyal to their current client. There are a few instances already where MC assisted an alliance, only to be hired by that same alliance's enemy.
For all practical intents and purposes, BoB and MC has to be viewed as one power block. MC might claim that they can be hired to fight against BoB. But any analysis of the situation really speaks against that and heavily implies that such a claim has little backing in reality.
The price alone of hiring MC to fight against BoB in any serious manner, would have to include the calculated risk of MC losing their constellations and outposts - and as such will create quite an uneven competition between BoB and any prospective competitor for their services.
And any serious threat to BoB territory (though I cannot see where that should come from atm) will inherently also be a threat to MC territory, giving MC a vested interest in BoBs well being.
The moment MC and BoB struck the deal regarding MCs constellations, MC stopped having the impartiality, that was part of at least my perception of them as an entity and the image they wanted to have. I say "my perception", as I cannot say that MC has ever claimed any such goal.
But its quite deluded to assume and present BoBs relationsship to MC as being purely a customer relationship.
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Deschenus Maximus
Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades
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Posted - 2007.06.12 15:19:00 -
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Originally by: Enre Sung Subservience breeds Obedience breeds Incompetence.
Pets don't invade eachother because they don't know how to take an iniative, or think for themselves. It gets conditioned out of them. All they know is mining, ratting, and defense gangs
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Kramer Verone
Amarr TeamMX
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Posted - 2007.06.12 15:26:00 -
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Originally by: Sidrat Flush 0.0 Won't be truly conquered until every 0.0 system has an outpost in it anyway.
until every gate is camped with supercapitals.
try to reach that goal BOB
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DJSemajal
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.06.12 15:27:00 -
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Dont give them ideas :)
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Rancid Beef
Shadow Gypsies R i s e
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Posted - 2007.06.12 16:20:00 -
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Every time some Cryalition or ex Cryalition member calls a BoB ally a Pet, Molle gets an erection and another Alliance goes on their Allies needs to die list.
I would be angry as well though, to have all that manpower and to have ****ed it away on trying to take out BoB's allies while never actually attacking Bob? Brilliant! Well I guess you tried one time...but you replaced all those cap ships the next day right? So no big loss.
Maybe you people forget why certain alliance's are on BoB's side. It has nothing to do really with renting or blah blah blah. It has alot to do with forum warriors smacking and sending raiding fleets into RISE territory. RISE chose the side it did simply because BoB was upfront and wasn't sending fleets into our home turf. D2 couldn't crap a straight answer if they chugged a gallon of truth serum. They also kept attacking us.
Now we are helping BoB eliminate all the rest of the double talking smack tards from 0.0, and D2 is dead. Keep smacking though, so we can get all of your names. "A friend of death, a brother of luck, and a s.o.b." |
ElweSingollo
Starlancers Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2007.06.12 21:55:00 -
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Originally by: Dianabolic
Originally by: ElweSingollo
Originally by: Onchas Erivvia
Originally by: Shardrael I would like to pose an honest and civil question to any who have renters in space they have claimed, although directed mostly at bob as you seem to have the most space and renters.
what would you folks do if two seperate renter alliances went to war with one another, mind you not went to war with the landowners but two tenants each started duking it out for territory and kills?
But, as other people have asked, why would they? What's the end-game? If they just want some fights, they can go find them. But it's not like one can conquer the other's territory.
There's also been a sub-conversation about the old "what happens when BoB owns everything" line of thinking. If people think back about a year ago, the Great Northern War had been over for a while and the small skirmishes in the South-East were nothing significant. So what did BoB do? They reset standings. I remember Molle's release, "we give the citizens of Eve the gift of war."
They reset some standing it was portraid as a "complete" standings reset it wasn't.
The only people we didn't reset was Xelas and MC iirc.
So other than comfirming that the "great standings reset" wasn't what it was portrayed not sure what you mean Diana? If it's just to confirm what I said then thank you otherwise please clarify.
Oh you might add a corp from my corp history to that list and I believe there were a few other corps that were also exempt though my memory is not what it used to be.
CCP and Eve Online... It's not a bug, it's a feature
In Before I Get M***** Aagain
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Meriones
TARDZ Gods of Night and Day
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Posted - 2007.06.12 22:35:00 -
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Originally by: Shardrael Edited by: Shardrael on 10/06/2007 09:19:30
Originally by: Meriones
Originally by: Shardrael few brief replies:
to all dismissing the idea that renters will go to war: first off it has already happened, I should know I was in an alliance that went to war with rise quote]
you can have all the convos you want that does not make what I said any less true, if you look at the post two above yours I explained in better detail the situation but since you saw fit to skip reading the rest of the thread and comment on an earlier post I will lay it out again for you.
the exact timeline was this, first bob set us to red and broadcast through the feyth intel channels that we were traitors etc and should be set red to all because they found out we intended to declare ourselves a sovereign alliance
You missed my point Shardrael. What you did was not go to war with another renter as you stated, you simply turned on BoB and the rest of your allies when you thought hell was breaking loose in feythabolis. You wanted to keep the stations you built (like when BoB took out ASCN).
"they found out we intended to declare ourselves a sovereign alliance" Also not true. You were going to pay less in rent to the goonies when you thought they were taking over Feyth.
Have 2 renters gone to war? I dont know. You guys traded sides and were no longer renters so you dont fall in that category. Would one renter declare war on another renter? Only if they were idiots and wanted to move.
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Dianabolic
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.12 22:45:00 -
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Originally by: ElweSingollo So other than comfirming that the "great standings reset" wasn't what it was portrayed not sure what you mean Diana? If it's just to confirm what I said then thank you otherwise please clarify.
Oh you might add a corp from my corp history to that list and I believe there were a few other corps that were also exempt though my memory is not what it used to be.
I wasn't confirming anything for you, Elwe, I merely corrected your statement. We had alot of blue, then we had virtually no blue.
Do with that whatever you like, hey? Reikoku Diplomatic Forums |
ElweSingollo
Starlancers Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2007.06.13 00:25:00 -
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Originally by: Dianabolic
Originally by: ElweSingollo So other than comfirming that the "great standings reset" wasn't what it was portrayed not sure what you mean Diana? If it's just to confirm what I said then thank you otherwise please clarify.
Oh you might add a corp from my corp history to that list and I believe there were a few other corps that were also exempt though my memory is not what it used to be.
I wasn't confirming anything for you, Elwe, I merely corrected your statement. We had alot of blue, then we had virtually no blue.
Do with that whatever you like, hey?
Cool thats fine in essence thats what I am meaning the problem is some people refer to it as a complete standings reset which it wasn't but heh you know what it's like people have short memories.
CCP and Eve Online... It's not a bug, it's a feature
In Before I Get M***** Aagain
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Sokratesz
Paradox v2.0 Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.06.13 06:29:00 -
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space renting ftl.
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