Neuromandis
Novastorm Inc
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.06.11 10:10:00 -
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Edited by: Neuromandis on 11/06/2007 10:12:36
 Originally by: Reggie Stoneloader
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i don't see anything idiotic here, i'm gallente and i know that suck y sucky pve is a tradeoff for pretty fine solopvp.
That's right. This whole discussion is based on the premise that PvP capablility is all there is in EvE and that all the races should be balanced for warfare. Caldari is a good race for the casual player. You can mine in an Osprey, run missions in a Raven, snipe/mine in a Rokh and PvP in a Crow or Drake. The Charon has the best capacity of all freighters, making it the winner for high-sec logistics.
In fleet battle the Rokh is an economical asset and the Raven has a place in small POS destruction and gate camping. The Scorpion's merit is it's greatest weakness, since it is always primary, but it's cheap to outfit and replace, so even just as a bullet sponge it can play a role in PvP.
All the quoted statements are either untrue and irrelevant.
UNTRUE because all races have ships to do all stuff with, it's just that some are better than others, and some races' ships (hint - Gallente) can fill almost any role, pvp or pve, while some other race's ships may only fill certain roles (hint- Caldari) and some others are just problematic apart from shiny exceptions (hint- Amarr).
IRRELEVANT because WITH YOUR VIEW, AMARR ARE PERFECT. The abaddon is a very good pve ship, and the Curse is arguably the best PVP. Armageddon snipes nicely, and the dreads rock. They fill all roles -- profit.
Problem is things don't work that way. Amarr are BAD RACE because they have 3-4 good ships out of 20 combat ships that are generally crap, and these ships can only do a thing or two each. Caldari don't have it as bad as amarr because they have a few more good ships, but these are even more role-limited. The fact remains that their pvp can use a little TLC.
And let me here no more 'gallente pvp, Caldari pve' crap - because such statements can only be characterised as 'crap'. The dominix can be even faster than the raven at missionrunning. Not to speak of the myrmidon, that can in some cases run lvl 4's with less danger than a raven. In ratting there's not even a comparison, the Domi and the Myrmi are just better. The only thing not letting the Dominix and Myrmidon be actually BETTER than the raven on lvl 4's is the stupid full-stage aggro bug with the drones, and this only applies to the missions where full-stage aggro is actually untankable. BUT FULL STAGE AGGRO BY DRONES IS A BUG WHICH SHOULD BE FIXED.
What all this means is that Gallente are better than Ccaldari and Amarr, being the best by a big margin at pvp, and almost as good as Caldari (in some cases better) at pve. This should not mean that the Gallente should be nerfed, it just means that
a) Amarr should be buffed a little
b) Caldari should be tinkered with to help their pvp, without actually buffing them a lot in combat prowess (by that I basically mean their damage, tanking, cap et.c. should not be buffed). What the OP suggests is very very good and makes sense, maybe not in those numbers but still it is almost on the mark. If speed+missiles combo is a problem, INCREASE THE SPEED OF THEIR GUNSHIPS ONLY, which have no such problem, (and nerf minmatar LOL).
c) (sidenote) The drone full stage aggro bug should be fixed.
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