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Keeto Digital Fury Corporation	Posted - 2007.06.09 21:12:00 - [61] There is a huge difference in all of this, the north just let each other die one by one but in the south when a friend needs help, you get your arse in gear. This is a fairly redundant statement seeing as how so many have already hit on this but we work together for a common goal and assist anyone who is blue. In the north they just refrained from shooting one another and sat around waiting for their demise.
Emrod Legion Du Lys GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.06.09 21:20:00 - [62] Booooooriiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing!!!!!!!!! I sell some logoff t2 module,improved forum flamming tachyon beam and Bob Lag generator faction item, contact me ingame for more info :P
Gyro DuAquin1 Tri Optimum Ev0ke	Posted - 2007.06.09 22:29:00 - [63] Edited by: Gyro DuAquin1 on 09/06/2007 22:29:42 Originally by: pershphanie Originally by: Gaia Thorn it is just me that finds it ironic that Bob/pets/etc.. called north for a NAP fest whilst every corp they foguht either napped up or got steam rolled ? Not meant as a flamebait nor a talk down on bob but they irony just struck whilst reading theese forums and watching the map. Well the harsh reality we learned when we attacked tenal is that you have to work as a multi-alliance coalition if you want to fight the northerners. We went up there trying to be independent of the alliance. We timed our attack so D2 was busy hoping we could get a strait up alliance vs alliance fight with RZR. What we got in return from Rzr was a fight vs 7 alliances with 150-250 man blobs every day. We had no reasonable alternative at that point. The north allows no other method of fighting them. The difference is a matter of tactics. The alliance napped so they could get a reasonable fight out of the north. The northern coalition (with the exception of TRI and pandemic) napped for the stability and growth of their alliances. For the north's strategy of napping to be really effective it relies on blobbing instead of fighting against anything they consider a threat. Some people might consider that a very boring way to play the game. It wasn't a dumb strategy. Just boring. Also it didn't hold up very well once the alliance got enough numbers to counter it. sry thats not quiet right... See if you would go and attack lets say xelas for their Stations, you would face, xelas fatal and the other 3 alliances living there, when things get tough you also face bob. So your point is not valid as everyone would bring him and his mom to the field. Or you go and attack D-L serious for their space, exec would come Just enter random names here the outcome will always be the same, ppl helping each other. TRI is just napping cause they wanted to be on the winners side when the outcome was quiet clear. Anyhow the anti north guys can belive what ever they want, their nap fest is as good or bad as the north one. Originally by: Fitz Chivalry Originally by: Major Stormer Now a days EVE is a napfest. Everyone is so scared of everyone else, they NAP everyone else. Or they just join a roaming gank corp and so avoid any real risks at all? well or some ppl are not intrested in sitting at pos or stand up early to boost/kill pos. When you have conq stations you are also facing tons of disadvantages, and from my side of the fence a game shouldnt be about alarm clocks and long nighters, cause its just a game you should njoy.
Kagura Nikon Minmatar Guardians of the Dawn Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.06.09 22:37:00 - [64] Originally by: Gutsani sigh south: people are napped because they fear BoB -> BoB = leader north: people want to carebear in peace without fighting eachother, so they nap -> no leader the north was a "peacefull region" while the south was more like the soviet union. you mean soviet union is fighting the russians? Oo my head hurts... If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
Tearavygh Quillam Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.09 22:59:00 - [65] Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr The Northern NAP was a pact that described that entities wouldn't attack each other. It was hardly a defensive alliance. They all let each other die seperately. The current "NAP" is more of an offensive alliance, we work together to conquer. We help each other out where there is a need to. I'd call the current northern offensive an alliance, not a NAP fest. :) I have to break the word given to someone, but here it goes. You're writting with "political correct" words facts that resume to this: MC serves BoB interest and all of the others just switched sides to get a bite of some space; they don't care about the rest, they don't care about BoB, they just want space. If MC is not there, everything halts. You have my respect, MC, you play good, you saw in advance what capital warfare will bring, but let's not kid ourselves about the rest... If anyone sees it differently, he/she needs a reality check.
dastommy79 Artic Blue Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.09 23:05:00 - [66] Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr The Northern NAP was a pact that described that entities wouldn't attack each other. It was hardly a defensive alliance. They all let each other die seperately. The current "NAP" is more of an offensive alliance, we work together to conquer. We help each other out where there is a need to. I'd call the current northern offensive an alliance, not a NAP fest. :) I have to break the word given to someone, but here it goes. You're writting with "political correct" words facts that resume to this: MC serves BoB interest and all of the others just switched sides to get a bite of some space; they don't care about the rest, they don't care about BoB, they just want space. If MC is not there, everything halts. You have my respect, MC, you play good, you saw in advance what capital warfare will bring, but let's not kid ourselves about the rest... If anyone sees it differently, he/she needs a reality check. Couldnt agree more. http://www.scoutca.com/fekesig2.jpg
Meryth E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.06.09 23:24:00 - [67] Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr The Northern NAP was a pact that described that entities wouldn't attack each other. It was hardly a defensive alliance. They all let each other die seperately. Do the forum rules allow me to say you're a moron? Before G disbanded (Hi Gyro btw ) we were all fighting together at a time where BoB and 5 were the largest PvP NAP in the universe. While it was repeatedly asked to BoB why they weren't having a go at 5, the true challenge that never happened, they were repeatedly replying 'because we are good friends'. The northerners were denied the right to have friends, apparently. When it comes to recent history, the north was fighting hand in hand (which is incorrect since communication was rather inexistant) and IRON pilots were flying with MM gangs and all northern pilots were flying in all northern gangs because the pilots know each other since... well the GNW for the most part.
Proconsul Para Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.09 23:29:00 - [68] As a wise man said in the early days of EVE: "Enouf discushen, deth to all" Too bad we can't pod you back to noobcorp, stoneage, whatever... Originally by: hired goon IRON beat BoB in the majority of the fleet battles the two were involved in.
laotse Firing Squad Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.06.10 00:05:00 - [69] nap friends show your arse its all the same still come ,s to bob killing a eve near you http://80.126.192.128:8888/tfd/uploads/1121735338/gallery_11_8_1124480365.jpg Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 kbs, ty - Cortes
Slayton Ford Vindicate and Deliverance ASGARDIAN EMPIRE	Posted - 2007.06.10 00:20:00 - [70] The north was a napfest; that much was appaernt and agreed upon. What BoB + the bobbits are is much more then a napfest. Its at least a bunch of mutual defense agreements along willingness to join up for offensive attacks against a specific enemy. This is something the coalition never had. But the only reason why this exists among the bobbits is because of their bob overlord. --------------- This sig has been censored in fear of recieving the ban hammer...
Fitz Chivalry eXceed Inc.	Posted - 2007.06.10 00:57:00 - [71] Originally by: Gyro DuAquin1 Originally by: Fitz Chivalry Originally by: Major Stormer Now a days EVE is a napfest. Everyone is so scared of everyone else, they NAP everyone else. Or they just join a roaming gank corp and so avoid any real risks at all? well or some ppl are not intrested in sitting at pos or stand up early to boost/kill pos. When you have conq stations you are also facing tons of disadvantages, and from my side of the fence a game shouldnt be about alarm clocks and long nighters, cause its just a game you should enjoy. I am not interested in those things either, I dont think many people are. I just find it funny when you have people that accuse those in 0.0 holding space of being scaredy cats because they have NAPS when they are sat in zero risk roaming pvp corps.
Turkantho Asgard Schiffswerften Ev0ke	Posted - 2007.06.10 01:19:00 - [72] this thread is hillarious there is no difference in the southern nap or northern nap fest none at all, in both nap fest one entity was the main guy who called the shots the only difference is that the northern nap fest is / was more in the eye of the public because of the forumwarriors of the south and not enough northern forum warriors to uncover that the southern thing is just the same ________
Third Down Hard Rock Cafe	Posted - 2007.06.10 02:26:00 - [73] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 09/06/2007 18:15:00 Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 09/06/2007 18:10:22 Originally by: Gyro DuAquin1 o rly, why are you so sure that the north didnt do it the same way, and except for the fix and mc nap the relations ship between iron, rzr and others in the north where longer then the new friends bob made. Iam quiet amused how ppl like you josh try to pretend that you are any different then the nap fest up north. They didn't lift much of a finger when their friends where dieing, that right there is the diffrence. That is definitely the difference. IRON were too proud to ask for help. D2 was too busy falling apart with its internal carebear vs pvper struggle. Also played some very bad political hands with YW and TRI. RAZOR was busy having fun in the south and was recalled only when it was too late. And of course that 50-dread loss in F-T? Where the intel was never properly confirmed? Many pilots lost personal dreadnoughts that they didn't and won't bother replacing. Bad generaling by northern leaders. Two alliances have a fight left in them: RAZOR and Morsus Mihi. Combined, and with the rump of D2 (X-T etc), they might even have enough supercaps to hold Tribute. Also as far as anyone has reported, the MC isn't contracted to take Tribute. But that's not reliable info.
Minigin Ganja Labs Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.10 02:35:00 - [74] why is this thread not locked? i made one almost identical a week ago and it didnt last past half a page...
Don Z0LA Caldari TunDraGon	Posted - 2007.06.10 03:08:00 - [75] there is difference in those 2 naps. north nap is mostly out of friendship and common interests. while bob nap is system with lord (bob) and vasals (pet alliances) and based on interests only. thou it works better :\|
Verite Rendition Caldari AUS Corporation CORE.	Posted - 2007.06.10 03:10:00 - [76] Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr The Northern NAP was a pact that described that entities wouldn't attack each other. It was hardly a defensive alliance. They all let each other die seperately. The current "NAP" is more of an offensive alliance, we work together to conquer. We help each other out where there is a need to. I'd call the current northern offensive an alliance, not a NAP fest. :) I have to break the word given to someone, but here it goes. You're writting with "political correct" words facts that resume to this: MC serves BoB interest and all of the others just switched sides to get a bite of some space; they don't care about the rest, they don't care about BoB, they just want space. If MC is not there, everything halts. You have my respect, MC, you play good, you saw in advance what capital warfare will bring, but let's not kid ourselves about the rest... If anyone sees it differently, he/she needs a reality check. Actually this brings up an interesting thought. The location of MC's home space has been a PR problem, people find them too close to BoB politically and physically. But now they own stations in a few regions of the North, they could claim any piece of that space as their own without much trouble. Doing so would solve their location problem (albeit requiring a large move) and they would be getting a larger piece of space to boot. Of course, is this anything other than a pipe dream? ---- AUS Corp Lead Megalomanic
Darc Kaahar Gallente Endgame.	Posted - 2007.06.10 04:58:00 - [77] You're all thundering ******s. Every single one of you.
Slow Joe I can't believe it's not a noob corp	Posted - 2007.06.10 05:17:00 - [78] Originally by: VinceNoir Edited by: VinceNoir on 09/06/2007 20:36:17 Originally by: WARPIG3 Is that before or after the CCP NAP? Dude that was hilarious. Oh, no. The other thing, tedious. Whole CCP/BoB thing got old months ago. This thread needs some Hammertown tbh. Wait a minute, MSN must have desync'ed Originally by: Sochin In this case, we are razing 0.0 of all the useless debris and planting new seedling alliances that will blossom into beautiful flowers of awesomeness.
mamolian M. Corp M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.06.10 05:19:00 - [79] Originally by: Shirei Originally by: Jotan Veer Originally by: Shirei Both of these are regularly referred to as NAPs in an EVE context since CCP in their infinite wisdom decided to name the highest alliance standing category 'NAP'. So stop splitting words. Actually NAP is +2.5 (aka light blue), Friend is +5.0 (dark blue) in alliance standings. Check again. He's correct far as I know.. although it may have been more clear if he used Greater than signs > :p -------------------------------
Tobias Sjodin Caldari Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.06.10 05:21:00 - [80] Seems to me the difference between the two groups of NAP's were coordination, and willingness to step up to help eachother. Regardless of whether it were offensive or defensive movement. Then again, what happens when the southern NAPs have nothing else to accomplish together? Will we see a repeat of history? - Recruitment open again-
Proconsul Para Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.10 07:13:00 - [81] Originally by: Turkantho this thread is hillarious there is no difference in the southern nap or northern nap fest none at all [...] the only difference is that [...] I agree. If you try to apply logic to a statement then it doesn't belong in CAOD, does it !? Originally by: hired goon IRON beat BoB in the majority of the fleet battles the two were involved in.
pershphanie Generals Of Destruction Syndicate Terror In The System	Posted - 2007.06.10 07:46:00 - [82] Originally by: Gyro DuAquin1 Originally by: pershphanie Originally by: Gaia Thorn it is just me that finds it ironic that Bob/pets/etc.. called north for a NAP fest whilst every corp they foguht either napped up or got steam rolled ? Not meant as a flamebait nor a talk down on bob but they irony just struck whilst reading theese forums and watching the map. Well the harsh reality we learned when we attacked tenal is that you have to work as a multi-alliance coalition if you want to fight the northerners. We went up there trying to be independent of the alliance. We timed our attack so D2 was busy hoping we could get a strait up alliance vs alliance fight with RZR. What we got in return from Rzr was a fight vs 7 alliances with 150-250 man blobs every day. We had no reasonable alternative at that point. The north allows no other method of fighting them. The difference is a matter of tactics. The alliance napped so they could get a reasonable fight out of the north. The northern coalition (with the exception of TRI and pandemic) napped for the stability and growth of their alliances. For the north's strategy of napping to be really effective it relies on blobbing instead of fighting against anything they consider a threat. Some people might consider that a very boring way to play the game. It wasn't a dumb strategy. Just boring. Also it didn't hold up very well once the alliance got enough numbers to counter it. sry thats not quiet right... See if you would go and attack lets say xelas for their Stations, you would face, xelas fatal and the other 3 alliances living there, when things get tough you also face bob. So your point is not valid as everyone would bring him and his mom to the field. Or you go and attack D-L serious for their space, exec would come Just enter random names here the outcome will always be the same, ppl helping each other. You might be right. I have no idea what D-L or Xelas space is like. I've never talked to D-L before and I havent spoken with Xelas since they lived in tenal. I was just speaking from personal experience of why we started to work with the coalition rather than go at it independently. We didn't go in there with the attention of napping everyone. But now I understand why everyone did nap up for this. It certainly worked for a very long time and took massive coordination to split up. It wasn't a bad tactic. It was just an incredibly boring way to play the game. That's all I'm saying. Whether or not Xelas does it too doesn't make it more or less boring. Originally by: Gyro DuAquin1 TRI is just napping cause they wanted to be on the winners side when the outcome was quiet clear. I'm not sure I buy that. I think Tri, pandemic, UDIE, and a few others joined your side to be part of an epic fight. And it seemed to live up to that for a while. Once the epic battles stopped they had gotten what they wanted so they split. I guess I don't really know what they were thinking, but that's my best guess. Your signature was inappropriate, email [email protected] to find out why - Targoviste
pershphanie Generals Of Destruction Syndicate Terror In The System	Posted - 2007.06.10 07:57:00 - [83] Originally by: Don Z0LA there is difference in those 2 naps. north nap is mostly out of friendship and common interests. while bob nap is system with lord (bob) and vasals (pet alliances) and based on interests only. thou it works better :\| Really? Question for the coalition: Did anyone out their get a warm funny friendly vibe from being napped with D2/IRON? Doesn't seem real likely to me. Nice dramatic good guy/bad guy picture you're trying to paint there. Too bad it doesn't hold up to reality. Your signature was inappropriate, email [email protected] to find out why - Targoviste
Alias11 Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.06.10 08:06:00 - [84] NORTH PEE PULLLLLL DOO DOO DOO SOUTH PEE PULLLLLL DEE DEE DEE
touchvill Citadel of dark arts Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.06.10 08:55:00 - [85] Gyro DuAquin1. Why do you say we just want to join the winning side? That would mean we want to join the alliance which is a blatent mistruth told by the coalition. People assume we have it easy, we don't have a side so everyone who enters Venal more or less are considered hostiles. We have it far from easy. Last 4 weeks We have killed 553 battleships, 6 carriers and 8 dreadnaughts. Compare that to Razor, who have a fight on their hands for their space. 298 battleships killed, 8 carriers killed and 1 dreadnaught killed. It's by no means a hit on Razor, they are still fighting, good on them, that in itself deserves respect. It does show that in comparrision how much work we have to do on a weekly basis though. If in your eyes Triumvirate are winning in something (Dunno what we can be winning at really, we are not doing anything special) then it's through hard work and not napping up with everyone. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels and filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])
Larice Minmatar 1st Angel Wing	Posted - 2007.06.10 09:05:00 - [86] Originally by: Darc Kaahar You're all thundering ******s. Every single one of you.
Chowdown Gallente Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.10 09:21:00 - [87] Originally by: Larice Originally by: Darc Kaahar You're all thundering ****s. Every single one of you. [yellow]**s !!!!!!!!!!![yellow]
Turkantho Asgard Schiffswerften Ev0ke	Posted - 2007.06.10 10:10:00 - [88] Originally by: Proconsul Para Originally by: Turkantho this thread is hillarious there is no difference in the southern nap or northern nap fest none at all [...] the only difference is that [...] I agree. If you try to apply logic to a statement then it doesn't belong in CAOD, does it !? selective quoteing ftw eh ??? you're pathetic ________
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.10 11:14:00 - [89] Originally by: Turkantho Originally by: Proconsul Para Originally by: Turkantho this thread is hillarious there is no difference in the southern nap or northern nap fest none at all [...] the only difference is that [...] I agree. If you try to apply logic to a statement then it doesn't belong in CAOD, does it !? selective quoteing ftw eh ??? you're pathetic hoping for reeducation in nol ftw eh ??? you're pathetic -------- I tanked D2 capital fleet and all I got was truncated Erebus mail.
Mattduk Gallente Universal Army	Posted - 2007.06.10 11:20:00 - [90] I find it very simple-minded of the eve player to complain of NAPs, or comment on them in a derogatory way. This is an MMORPG right? There are politics, and shared goals. NAPs and treaties are inevitable. You don't wake up in the morning, in RL, and cry... Damn Europe! It's such a NAPFEST!!! This isn't Counterstrike lads... its a tad deeper than that. Kind regards Mattduk

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