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Murehz
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Posted - 2007.06.10 12:11:00 -
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As an all rounder I would have to probably say crow or crusader tbh.
I'm personally more a fan of the crow but many people say great things about the sader.
If you know what you want to do with it then obviously there would be more appropiate ones to use (ranis for all out gankage for example).
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Murehz
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Posted - 2007.06.10 16:31:00 -
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Edited by: Murehz on 10/06/2007 16:32:43
 Originally by: Ryysa
Also, regarding your idiotic statement.
A crow with a theoretical setup (not that it would EVER fit) of:
3x t2 rocket launchers, maxed skills, fury missiles, a T2 Light Neutron Blaster, 3x BCS II and completely maxed skills does ~190 dps.
Now, this has not even remotely chance of fitting.
With a realistic fitting of 3x t2 rocketlaunchers, rage rockets, max skills, 75mm t2 gatling rail with antimatter and 1 BCS II, you do ~127 dps.
Just thought I'd point out that this does more damage than your pulse sader... /me runs and hides.
Also just as you said a skilled sader pilot can manourver to keep speed up but transversal down... a skilled crow pilot can manourver to keep speed p and transversal up at which point neither can hit the other one and it just becomes a case of who has friends closest.
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Murehz
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Posted - 2007.06.10 16:54:00 -
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Originally by: Ryysa
Originally by: Murehz
Just thought I'd point out that this does more damage than your pulse sader... /me runs and hides.
Crusader DPS with 4x medium pulse II, 1x heatsink, conflagration: 177 DPS.
And how will that help you at all vs a crow or any other ship unless you find youself toe to toe with something, in which case, get a blaster ranis.
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Murehz
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Posted - 2007.06.10 17:15:00 -
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Originally by: Ryysa
Originally by: Murehz
Originally by: Ryysa
Originally by: Murehz
Just thought I'd point out that this does more damage than your pulse sader... /me runs and hides.
Crusader DPS with 4x medium pulse II, 1x heatsink, conflagration: 177 DPS.
And how will that help you at all vs a crow or any other ship unless you find youself toe to toe with something, in which case, get a blaster ranis.
You can switch the crusader to scorch and get about the same range as the crow with the t2 rage rockets and still 20 more dps.
That rocket crow is not very useful, neither is the sader. Fact is, sader outdamages crow in both speedy config and slower config.
Not to mention the fact that in a 1v1 situation sader can actually do decent damage at speeds over 6km/s.
What so you can get 16km range with scorch on a sader?
Also when its hitting that mush going 6km/s its tickling web range and once its webbed the crow will be doing more damage to the sader than the sader will be to the crow.
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Murehz
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Posted - 2007.06.10 17:20:00 -
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As an aditional note for the crow... nothing but a minmatar recons can kill it solo if its got a smart pilot.
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Murehz
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Posted - 2007.06.10 17:40:00 -
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Why would any other inty beat a crow in a 1 vs 1 situation that never happens anyway.
The other inty has a choice of not hitting the crow and both of them flying around for ever with the crow not hitting the other inty or the other inty webbing the crow, being webbed itself and any inty which can do this and also fit a scam will either be very short range and slower than the crow (ranis), or do less damage than the crow.
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Murehz
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Posted - 2007.06.10 17:42:00 -
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Originally by: Ryysa
Originally by: Murehz
As an aditional note for the crow... nothing but a minmatar recons can kill it solo if its got a smart pilot.
And how doesn't this go for the crusader as well?
It's faster than the crow. In fact this goes for any interceptor pretty much.
Apart from alot of ceptors can be killed by other ceptors, I haven't met a ceptor pilot yet that could down my crow, maybe I just haven't met another good ceptor pilot but w/e.
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Murehz
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Posted - 2007.06.10 18:57:00 -
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Edited by: Murehz on 10/06/2007 18:57:14
For all those people who failed to see what I was getting at in my post about 1 vs 1's that don't happen please read the rest of the thread and if you still don't understand then go away.
Also Ryysa I'm not arguing with you for the sake of arguing with you any more than you are.
As you have said a good t1 frig can tank a crow until it gets to the gate, that good t1 frig can also tank a sader until it gets to the gate. (sader is no better than crow)
A sader will never kill another good inty pilot 1 vs 1, neither will a crow. (sader is no better than crow)
A sader with good skills and pulses may be able to kill other ships apart from ceptors and haulers although it would be prtety suicidal to try and a ranis could do it better (if you're going that close to web range just get it over and done with, charge in and gank them).
A crow may be able to kill other ships with rockets, It is less suicidal. (crow is better than a sader here imo but not by far)
A sader can tackle from long distance whilst doing such little damage that the target prob won't even notice, so can the crow although sader is a bit faster. (sader is better than crow here although not by far)
There, all the facts as everyone has said in this thread in 1 nice post.
Conclusion - all round sader and crow are equal, now everyone unless you are going to argue the viability of the other ceptors against each other or these 2 please shut the feck up and go home.
P.S. I love having a web on my crow, it can prove very useful in certain situations.
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Murehz
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Posted - 2007.06.10 19:10:00 -
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Edited by: Murehz on 10/06/2007 19:09:54
Originally by: Ryysa
Edited by: Ryysa on 10/06/2007 19:05:39
Originally by: Murehz
Stuff
Nice summary.
There is one thing I disagree with you with, it's a matter of how can I say, test cases.
Crow vs 6km/s+ turret inty...
1. Crow dies or...
2. Crow warps out.
While turret inty:
1. Wins or...
2. Reaches a stalemate.
So there, sader > crow in that regard. All other points I agree with.
Fixed IMO.
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