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Byzan Zwyth
Dark Centuri Inc.
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.06.11 20:36:00 -
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when you think about everything that goes into setting up this operation it's hard to see it as an exploit.
Skill training, characters & fuel to run the cyno's, freighters etc... How much does a titan cost these days?
you would be running it for months just to cover the cost of resources to set it up.
Pretty awesome logistics really. And I agree with who ever said nerf the whiners not the smart people.
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Kahor
Minmatar
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.06.11 20:45:00 -
[92]
 Originally by: Baccala
Originally by: elohllird
BLAH BLAH BLAH WHINE WHINE WHINE 
Thats about as constructive as i am able to be, about such a silly post.
Go ahead, try and keep the conspiracy 6 feet under... but I'm on to you... you dev puppet.
You all are just a big pyramid scam, with mindless pawns below you.
I can't even tell if you are being ironic or not...the whining on those forums have gone way too far.
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Emperor D'Hoffryn
No Quarter.
Vae Victis.
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Posted - 2007.06.11 21:02:00 -
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jump bridging the freighters is fine
however, if the trade route is not modeling correctly, then it needs looking into. Should not be able to get 2.2 bil every day from the exact same trade route. as the commodities are purchased in venal, they should go up in price (demand is up) and as they are sold in curse, price should drop (demand is down)
there was a time when the market orders reset after DT, but this was supposedly fixed quite some time ago.
Obviously, we do not know the specifics of what they are buying and selling each trip, and where exactly they are going each time, and I suspect they have to move it around and buy different stuff to keep the profit up. Free and unlimited ISK from NPC sources is obviously bad, and these great trade routes were originally put in cause its extremely hard to fill the orders via normal means.
The ONLY thing that might need looking into is the trade routes themselves, tbh.
Originally by: Snuggly
It's just so great to have an actual reason to not die, incentive is fantastic!
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the blender
the Gentleman Loser
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Posted - 2007.06.12 03:35:00 -
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Mommy, I see dead posts.
Really has the Bob hating gotten this bad?
A lot of people are make some wild guesses about what Bob are upto in their titan and freigters. They could be making sex toys yknow, the point is we don't know. And everybody is getting their panties in a bunch about gueses.
Oh Bob are making isks, whine whine, and the nasty devs wont help us.
If the devs are all puppets of Bob how come all plexes including the 10/10 are turning into non-static exploration sites, dont see the tin-foil brigade shouting that do we.
The fact is, even if they fixed the NPC prices in venal, it would make little differance, there will always be another system with similar orders for them to make a trade run too.
For once Bob has my grudging respect, they had the balls to layout a titan and freighters for this and are making a decent return on a huge investment.
All speed to them, and if you really can't bear the thought of Bob making those iskies, get another titan a couple of dreads and ambush them, after all it seems half of eve knows about this trade route.
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Kylar Renpurs
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Posted - 2007.06.12 03:55:00 -
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The fact is, even if they fixed the NPC prices in venal, it would make little differance, there will always be another system with similar orders for them to make a trade run too.
For once Bob has my grudging respect, they had the balls to layout a titan and freighters for this and are making a decent return on a huge investment.
I was going to reply, but this is perfect.
QFT bloke :)
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Arenis Xemdal
Amarr
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.12 04:08:00 -
[96]
You have to forgive some people for not realizing you could jump portal freighters around 18 months ago like the rest of us did, they are newbies to the game. Welcome, by the way.
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Raketefrau
Caldari
Soldi di Protezione
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Posted - 2007.06.12 04:52:00 -
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Simple question....
Will the freighters be able to use the new POS jump bridges?
I'm guessing yes, which will even out the playing field somewhat.
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Adm Tecumseh
Caldari
Frequently Asked Questions
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Posted - 2007.06.12 05:52:00 -
[98]
Do you have any idea what your talking about? btw it is incredibally expensive to run a jump bridge that just costs more and more with every ship. Thats why I want a titan. Privately owned. Imagine the revenue I could generate with my own go anywhere titan delivery service.
HAHAHA
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2007.06.12 06:03:00 -
[99]
SELECT BOB FROM USERS;
DELETE;
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DeadProphet
Black Eclipse Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.12 07:00:00 -
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wtf? are you guys insane? why do you think titans cost 120bn? its because of abilities like this.
sometimes i think people will whine about anything useful
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Jinhai Storm
Gallente
The Celestial Free Miner's
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2007.06.12 07:31:00 -
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sorry but I hope one of the Mods comes in and closes this thread soon. I might not like BoB for my own personal and ideological reasons but i can respect them for having a solid grasp on game mechanics and for paying ATTENTION to their surroundings.
The titan is supposed to be a fleet MOVER, it's designed to help you move a fleet from A to B for a PRICE, that price being fuel. And as several people have pointed out, they ARE risking several hundred billion ISK in assets and in all fairness, they can't show a TRUE profit until they've covered the ISK value of the assets that they are routinely risking.
All this is is taking NPC trading with your little industrial to the logical level for those with the ISK and SP to afford it, using freighters and jump bridges.
All this is is a good example of someone watching the market and KNOWING how to play the market, this is not about bugs or fairness, it's ECONOMICS, deal with it... it's no different than in the real world and that's why BoB succeeds. They approach the problem and solve it with real-world levels of seriousness and business accumen.
Oh and congrats to the OP for seeing a titan :) Oh and for the trolls? Yes I HAVE read this whole thread before posting this.
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Leandro Salazar
The Blackguard Wolves
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Posted - 2007.06.12 08:09:00 -
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The only reason I could see to nerf this is one of the things that PvPers constantly suggest to be nerfed for mission runners: The creation of ISK out of thin air. 2 Billion per day from this op, that is probably what 500 average mission runners (NOT the few faction ship flying 23/7 guys but the true bulk of the runners) make per day...
So next time you cry about inflation, look at 0.0 first. The overseer effects and this seem to be quite a bit worse for inflation than any mission runner...
Thank you SkyFlyer!
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s4mp3r0r
ZiTek Deepspace Explorations
Prime Orbital Systems
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Posted - 2007.06.12 08:25:00 -
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as anti bob as i am, this PARTICULAR accusation is utter BS. They are working inside game dynamics. That's all there is to it.
Grats on posting this with your alt, acting like you don't know what's going on posting information that anti bob people should already know. Grow some balls.
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Kazuo Ishiguro
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Posted - 2007.06.12 08:32:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
I think it is perfectly clear that BoB doing something makes it bad.
Nobody complained when AAA POS bowled and stole BoB carriers.
But then everyone whined when BoB POS bowled in response. Result? No more POS bowling.
Same thing here, probably.
Considering that freighters have been jump portalled as a matter of routine by every titan-owning alliance in EVE history, I don't think its an "exploit."
I more or less agree, but from what I hear, the NPC buy orders involved act in a very unrealistic way. This particular route wasn't an issue before JPGs were around because the distances separating the sell & buy orders made any such effort worthless. It's just that the scale on which certain people have suddenly become able to exploit it, and the fact that those people are much maligned for various unrelated reasons, has brought it quite dramatically to the fore.
The trade route itself is no different from any other in terms of its underlying mechanics, and this is where the problem lies. No-one can say that this particular route is is broken without implying that, in fact, so are many of the others (though on a smaller scale). You've made this point yourself in at least one other thread, but (iirc) without actually conceding that all trade routes are broken; something that I do believe.
In my view, if these are going to be a major isk source, people should be forced to work to find fresh ones every week or two (perhaps more often for some routes). There's room for a great deal more randomness, transience and unpredictability in the NPC market than we see at the moment.
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Necronomicon
Caldari
KIA Corp
KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.12 10:37:00 -
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I read as far as City Chick <No corp> <no alliance>.....meh
Carlsberg dont make Eve Pilots, but if they did, i wouldnt be one of them.
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voxen
perfect research
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Posted - 2007.06.12 11:14:00 -
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Originally by: DeadProphet
wtf? are you guys insane? why do you think titans cost 120bn? its because of abilities like this.
sometimes i think people will whine about anything useful
The real question is whether it's a loophole to buy non-marketdriven-priced items in one region and sell them again without a sweat on the other side of the universe.
assuming a 2.2 bill profit each day I would say something is wrong and people doing these kind of traderuns know so.
(disclaimer: only valid if we're talking about npc market prices...)
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Aeon Yakati
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.12 11:34:00 -
[107]
Originally by: voxen
The real question is whether it's a loophole to buy non-marketdriven-priced items in one region and sell them again without a sweat on the other side of the universe.
The loophole is called Trade Goods. If no competition, you can control any price drops by limiting your own trading volume. Understanding of fundamental mechanics beats YAWNÖ (Yet Another WhiNe).
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assuming a 2.2 bill profit each day I would say something is wrong and people doing these kind of traderuns know so.
2.2 bil is wrong because you don't even have that much in your wallet?
Or what exactly is wrong making 2.2 bil profit based on an investment worth 77 bil (excluding the titan here) and upwards.
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(disclaimer: only valid if we're talking about npc market prices...)
Disclaimer: All of the supporting calculations and arguments have been explained, argued about and thrown around about 300 times on any of the 3 previous pages and the 10 pages of the other thread.
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John McFly
Ganja Labs
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.12 12:08:00 -
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Originally by: s4mp3r0r
as anti bob as i am, this PARTICULAR accusation is utter BS. They are working inside game dynamics. That's all there is to it.
Grats on posting this with your alt, acting like you don't know what's going on posting information that anti bob people should already know. Grow some balls.
You are right that it can be assumed they are operating within game mechanics. The question is: Why are the game mechanics allowing it? Why do prices reset on a daily basis?
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voxen
perfect research
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Posted - 2007.06.12 15:29:00 -
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Originally by: Aeon Yakati
The loophole is called Trade Goods. If no competition, you can control any price drops by limiting your own trading volume. Understanding of fundamental mechanics beats YAWNÖ (Yet Another WhiNe).</quote
eerrr... competition and npc marketprice? sorry, wrong excuse.
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assuming a 2.2 bill profit each day I would say something is wrong and people doing these kind of traderuns know so.
2.2 bil is wrong because you don't even have that much in your wallet?
Assumptions my dear. how about the risk vs reward factor?
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Or what exactly is wrong making 2.2 bil profit based on an investment worth 77 bil (excluding the titan here) and upwards.
nothing wrong with investment vs profit, again, it's about risk vs reward.
toodles.
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Eldo Davip
Forum Moderator
Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2007.06.14 03:57:00 -
[110]
Please don't circumvent CAOD rules by posting in General Discussion. If you wish to keep this thread open show your coorporation/alliance tickers (provided that you are not in a NPC corp) and email us. We'll move it to CAOD.
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