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Karn Mithralia Minmatar Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.06.11 08:15:00 - [1] Location: Deck 47, Private Quarters Wing, Thukker Mix station System: Nakah Region: Derelik A week ago. The cramped hall bustles with traffic as Ushra'Khan members move cots and personal affects into newly rented living spaces. A Brutor woman visibly fights to keep her temper in check as a matter-of-fact Sebiestor surreptitiously instructs her on how to maneuver a leather sofa through the tight spaces. Further down the hall, one thick metal door sits slightly ajar, the quick clacking of keyboard strokes the only audible evidence of any occupant. Outside, Vice Admiral Darius Shakor approaches the quiet room, knowing it to belong to one Captain Occasus Vim, Recon Squadron commander. The evacuation of the Khai facilities from Unity station was done hastily, so the admiral is searching for all the scattered hardware to relocate to a new headquarters. As he knocks, the captain invites him in. "Just the man I wanted to see" Vim states, quickly transferring something onto a datapad, then handing it to Shakor. "It's a proposal I've been working on. Half plan, half PR. I thought I'd run it by you for consideration." The header on the document in the admiral's hands displays a stylized map of the Providence region star-systems, with the words "Den of Evil" superimposed overtop. It reads as follows: *"The path of the righteous is beset on all sides by the tyranny of evil men." ~author unknown* Providence is entirely peopled by criminals. Let it be known. The Ushra'Khan are charged with the crime of terrorism. Many of the region's denizens are charged with the crime of piracy. The Curatores Veritatis Alliance and their allies are charged with either perpetrating, or supporting those who perpetrate crimes against humanity. One man's hero is another man's hell, but without question, all of us are evil. Under someone's judgment, we are villainous scum. And so, all residents and potential travelers of Providence, beware: You are entering a den of evil. Pirates, madmen, murderers, tyrants and betrayers - and we all want the stars of Providence to burn red through a film of blood. The Ushra'Khan no longer recognizes neutral entities within the Providence region. There are only two categories of people: Those fighting the Amarrian imperialists, and those culpable in their crimes by either supporting, or ignoring them. This is not to say that safety from Ushra'Khan cannot be negotiated in Providence. For a regular fee, you can be safe from our wrath. The fee: 10 corpses of those pilots belonging to Amarrian Loyalist capsuleer factions, or their allies, per corporation, per month. This makes you part of the prosecution of the crimes against humanity, and therefore, not our enemy. How you obtain these items is up to you. Creativity encouraged. Be warned: Providence is still a perpetual warzone, populated by bitter enemies and reckless pilots of all sorts, and immunity from our attacks does not gurantee your safety. However, I think you may find every little bit helps, and if you give it a try, I think you will find shooting slaver ships is extremely gratifying. cont. ----------------------------------------- Now recruiting.
Karn Mithralia Minmatar Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.06.11 08:16:00 - [2] "It's still a draft," Vim explains, "but I figure once we've had some downtime, and get our act together once more, this may help put even more pressure on the already overextended slavers and their allies. Without significant assets to lose, we can prosecute campaigns at our leisure, and others will find it difficult to commit to focused campaigns against us. If fighting the folks from Einherjar Rising taught me anything, itÆs that that kind of pressure can be achieved with minimal blows to our own morale." Vim pauses as the admiral mulls over the datapad a while longer. "Well, sir, what are your thoughts?" ôA solid plan brother, I will pass it to council immediatelyö ----------------------------------------- Now recruiting.
Karn Mithralia Minmatar Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.06.11 08:19:00 - [3] Location: Officers Quarters, Trust Partners System: Assah Region: Derelik The present Karn works through the papers on his desk, his eyes finally alighting on one that brings a grin to his worn face. He reads it again, although he is familiar with the contents. He makes a few alterations, adds the note æInclude CatchÆ, and stamps it with his council seal. He pauses a moment searching for the right words, then opens a comms relay: Let it be known, effective immediately Providence and Catch are now declared UshraÆKhan free-fire zones. The only way to avoid our fire is to openly declare your hostility to those who support the tyranny of the Amarr Empire and the para-militaries on its fringes. Burn Providence, Burn. Death to slavery, long live the fighters! Onwards, onward to freedom! Karn Mithralia, UshraÆKhan Council Karn appends VimÆs words on corpse collecting and hits transmit. ----------------------------------------- Now recruiting.
Kovid Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.06.11 08:36:00 - [4] Slaver husks for payment. Now that I must say is interesting. Granted salvaging companies might turn to cleaning the spaceways of biomass as well! Personally I like slaver husks floating in space. I hope every time for that remote chance that something jogged in their noggins when they wake up. Just be careful of bodysnatchers. Providence cloning facility security will have to be ramped up as well. ---------------------------------- An informal Star Fraction FAQ \| ----------------------------------
KhanJohn Amarr Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.06.11 08:39:00 - [5] the gloves have come off, the slavers broke the hornets nest and now the hornets are riled...i can but feel sorry for my kin...ive seen the bloodlust that fuels my matari brethren...a wise man never upsets a brutor because he will thump you into oblivion... to all pilots in providence choose your side if you side with us we shall clal you friend....if you side against us we will rip your ships backs apart until they spew their gutted entrails out into the deepest regions of space....we will slice your pods like a potato taking our time to watch you die piece by piece....and if you should be captured....there are much worse ways of death than that of the sin eater you so like to use on my brethren...ill descend you into a duelling pit of my matari brethren and watch you fight it out with a hundred of them clawing your back...wait that is unfair ill put 6 of you in a pit against hmmm ....karn on his own you may last 2 minutes at least.... our vengeance is absolute...fear our terror incarnate People ask me what i am if i am not Amarran - i am a free "Amarri" all exiled amarrans who do not believe the tainted prophets are!
Telemicus Thrace Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.06.11 10:04:00 - [6] Location: Maintenance Deck Tango, Rented by Thrace Inc. Trust Partners. System: Assah Region: Derelik Telemicus jumped as the tannoy blared just over his head. He nearly dropped his bottle of spirits into the intake of 'Nomad', his prized Jaguar, before steading himself. He listened to Karn’s broadcast while trying to unblock his ear then turned to face the rest of the hangar. The lads were all there working on various bits of kit and readying their ships for the next raid. “Well you ‘eard ‘im lads! Not only do we not have to spend tens of millions a week on fuel, not only do we not have to get tens of thousands of cubic metres down the pipe each week but the old hell hole has become a free fire zone! Break open the good stuff, this is a cause for celebration!” The response was the usual cheers, barks, curses and a resounding belch from Sol from somewhere behind a half dismantled Hoarder. Tel grinned to himself under a thick layer of engine grease. No more distractions, no more logistics, just good old fashioned slaver killing and convoy raids. >> RECRUITING <<
Mr Reeth Aegis Militia	Posted - 2007.06.11 10:17:00 - [7] ::Scans Pages:: Fireà gunsà blood blood bloodà vengeanceà killà we never wanted the stations anywayà sour grapesà burn everythingà ::turns off coms::
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.06.11 10:24:00 - [8] Once again, the true nature of the terrorists is revealed. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.06.11 10:24:00 - [9] Originally by: Karn Mithralia Let it be known, effective immediately Providence and Catch are now declared UshraÆKhan free-fire zones. The only way to avoid our fire is to openly declare your hostility to those who support the tyranny of the Amarr Empire and the para-militaries on its fringes. Burn Providence, Burn. Death to slavery, long live the fighters! Onwards, onward to freedom! Karn Mithralia, UshraÆKhan Council Well, Ushra'Khan, you know where the Star Fraction stands on this issue. I would re-iterate that the Star Fraction maintains hostilities only with outright and declared ideological foes and those who have attacked us in the past. We will be maintaining an open-door policy of diplomacy and any who seek to be neutral or friendly to us will receive a hearing. We place no preconditions on such talks. I close by expressing my view that the fire of the Ushra'Khan is best directed against the Amarrian paramilitaries and those entities resident in Lower Domain, Providence and Catch who choose to attack without question those who fight for freedom. However, we acknowledge the sovereignty of the Ushra'Khan as an independent capsuleer organisation in the matter of their rules of engagement. The Cosmopolite on behalf of the Star Fraction The Star Fraction Communications Portal
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.06.11 10:29:00 - [10] Incidentally, as a personal aside, I do have a rather large stock of paramilitary corpses but I fear I could not possibly release them as they, and other... items let us say, are a vital part of my ongoing researches in the field of transhumanism and transtechnologies. * The Cosmopolite smiles and the transmission fades... The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Tharrn Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2007.06.11 10:30:00 - [11] You'll still die all the same as before - with the only difference that you are driving even more peacefull neutrals just wanting to go about their business in Providence into agreements with the Amarrian protectors of peace and prosperity. Ceterum censeo 'Concordia' esse delendam.
Akira Giichi Caldari Kedakai Corporation	Posted - 2007.06.11 11:20:00 - [12] As shown above: Originally by: Karn Mithralia You are entering a den of evil. Pirates, madmen, murderers, tyrants and betrayers - and we all want the stars of Providence to burn red through a film of blood.. Dear Karn Mithralia, I am confused.. Are you really describing Providence? The exect same description could be that of Syndicate region. * Akira smiles and sighs. I am not here to kick up the dust, I just thought this amusing. Best wishes. Akira Giichi. CEO of Kedakai Corporation. Kedakai Corporation - Through science we build the future.
zoolkhan Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.06.11 11:24:00 - [13] Edited by: zoolkhan on 11/06/2007 11:23:34 Originally by: Tharrn You'll still die all the same as before - with the only difference that you are driving even more peacefull neutrals just wanting to go about their business in Providence into agreements with the Amarrian protectors of peace and prosperity. If you dont know it by now i cant help you. Did we ever base our actions on fear to be outnumbered? Think hard and answer yourself. This policy WILL have a polarizing effect. It will at least force people to show colour - and if they sign up with the slavers then we finally know where they stand. Which is good. If they fight you, its even better. Its WIN-WIN for us, dont you see it? Ignorance will end right here and now. Ignorance is what keeps my people in chains. U'K recruit! ..we come for our people..
Rakiro Gallente Two Brothers Mining Corp. The Sundering	Posted - 2007.06.11 11:40:00 - [14] Location: Private quarters, Deck 98: Aunia I - Moon 11 - Federation Navy Assembly Plant System: Aunia Region: Sinq Laison The light from Aunia cascaded into the luxurious private quarters through a panoramic window, filtered by the intelligent plexiglass so as not to blind anyone who decided to admire the view. Rakiro sat at a nearby desk going through the latest supply manifest from The Void's Edge, rubbing his eyes as page after page of crew rations, ammunition and other equipment scrolled by on the wafer-thin screen infront of him. As glamorous as the life of a capsuleer could be (as evidenced by the plush room he was sitting in), late nights and countless pieces of paperwork where never absent. Open in a seperate window on the screen was an uplink to Galnet which Rakiro was mildly surfing through at the same time (being able to multi-task was a talent required of every capsuleer) when a certain thread piqued his interest. Opening it, he furrowed his brow at what he saw... He sighed and shook his head as he opened a reply window: "There is no honour to be had in killing neutrals... It seems you have been blinded by your lust for vengeance. You have lost the moral high-ground Ushra-Khan, and with it i'm sure, the respect of countless organizations and individuals who previously supported your cause." He posted the message, sure that his voice would be lost among the thousands of messages posted on Galnet, but content in the knowledge he had used his right as a free man of the civilized parts of the galaxy to express his distaste for such barbarism. -Rakiro
Cipher7 Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2007.06.11 11:45:00 - [15] Just to clarify. Usrha'Khan is now NBSI?
Telemicus Thrace Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.06.11 12:12:00 - [16] Originally by: Rakiro "There is no honour to be had in killing neutrals..." Those who support the slavers and profit from the enslavement of my kin are not neutrals. Do business in Providence and you profit from slavery. The terms have been made crystal clear. >> RECRUITING <<
Rakiro Gallente Two Brothers Mining Corp. The Sundering	Posted - 2007.06.11 12:38:00 - [17] Originally by: Telemicus Thrace Those who support the slavers and profit from the enslavement of my kin are not neutrals. Do business in Providence and you profit from slavery. The terms have been made crystal clear. And how to you intend to differentiate between those profiting from slavery and those peacefully passing through to parts unknown, or those who have no interest in slavers whatsoever? Would you ask them? Of course not, you couldn't take the risk that they would lie about their purpose. So you destroy them regardless of their intentions, killing all the crew and most likely podding the unfortunate capsuleer in the process. There is a word for that you know... Piracy. To neutrals, killing them because they may or may not have some ties to the slave trade will sound like nothing more than a very poor excuse for piracy. The Ushra'Khan already operates within a moral grey area and if the above is the way that it wishes to conduct itself, then they will lose the support of all but the most fanatical of individuals. -Rakiro
KhanJohn Amarr Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.06.11 13:15:00 - [18] we do not need to differentiate its clearly been written, if you side with us then talk to our diplomatic core and aid us in attacks against the slaver infested region of space....if you side with the CVA by allieing with them and calling on their aid then you are a supporter of slavery...its their sovereign space anyone who choose's to fly through CVA space has unwittingly become an accomplice in the genocidal massacre of billions if you refuse to boycott the CVA then you will be slaughtered as an accomplice that is how it is...Providence is no longer a warzone providence is now a slave camp and we intend to do our duty by exterminating every last part of the slave trade and those who inadvertently support it through supporting the Amarran paramilitaries... People ask me what i am if i am not Amarran - i am a free "Amarri" all exiled amarrans who do not believe the tainted prophets are!
Jeats Cheats Minmatar Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.06.11 13:27:00 - [19] Edited by: Jeats Cheats on 11/06/2007 13:26:50 Originally by: Cipher7 Just to clarify. Usrha'Khan is now NBSI? The answer to that question is no. To put it simply: Ushra'Khan only attacks Slavers and their collaborators in Providence and Catch. If you are helping CVA and their ilk you are helping slavery. People making isk from supporting Slavers and there economy will be targeted. People helping Ushra'Khan against Slavers and their collaborator will not be targeted. Please by all mean get in contact with our diplomats if you have any concerns with respect to these rules or current standings
Occasus Vim Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.06.11 13:28:00 - [20] CVA, VV, Delictum, PIE, AM, En-Slavers, Sylph, Hammer's Republic, UCE, the list goes on... Somehow acquiring 10 corpses of pilots belonging to these alliances, slavers, imperialists and their accomplices, in order to establish that your own corporation is indeed not an enemy of Ushra'Khan (read: not red), shouldn't prove too difficult. Let the accusations of piracy come, it is the tired ammunition of the slavers' propaganda war against us. But the lines are clearly drawn: Providence is no longer ours to protect, so we must protect our kin, those in bondage and those who potentially could be, from what Providence has now become - a Den of Evil, an extension of the criminal nation of the Amarr Empire.
Rakiro Gallente Two Brothers Mining Corp. The Sundering	Posted - 2007.06.11 14:14:00 - [21] Originally by: Occasus Vim Let the accusations of piracy come, it is the tired ammunition of the slavers' propaganda war against us. I'm not accusing you of piracy. I am however stating that people will do if you go ahead with your plans of killing those who are affiliated with neither the Amarr or yourselves. I have to ask... Does this policy of merciless slaughter extend to peaceful Matari organizations as well? -Rakiro
Kade Jeekin Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.06.11 14:17:00 - [22] Edited by: Kade Jeekin on 11/06/2007 14:17:48 Originally by: Rakiro ...or those who have no interest in slavers whatsoever?.. Too often the cry of those who put profit above human life. Those who seek stability for trade at any cost - as long as it's someone else who suffers. If we could operate [Edit]similarly{/Edit} in Amarr space without the interference of CONCORD then many of us would. Originally by: "Mr Reeth" [UK] never wanted the stations anywayà sour grapes I think you are confused. We did indeed want to keep the station. If you had ever invested as much time and effort to hold sovreignity, then you would know what a double-edged sword it is, how much time and material it consumes. Being glad of being free from the responsibility is not sour grapes, but a sweet nectar of having free-time, energy, and resources. --------------------------------------- Outface the depths of evil with clarity ---------------------------------------
Janu Hull Caldari Order of Z Industries	Posted - 2007.06.11 14:26:00 - [23] Originally by: Occasus Vim Let the accusations of piracy come, it is the tired ammunition of the slavers' propaganda war against us. You're right, what you're proposing isn't piracy. Piracy I can actually understand. Its goals are clear, profit at the expense of others. What I see here is the bloodthirsty flailing of a routed force seeking mayhem to compensate for its inability to create sustainable progress towards its goals. In short: Ushra'Khan is throwing a temper tantrum. Pirates are merciless, but they've got the benefit of at least being mature.
Vantras Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.11 14:40:00 - [24] ...and the conflict enters a new phase... The path to enlightenment is through service to the empire. I personally extend an invitation to my wayward Minmatar brethern to join with me - as I lead you to salvation.
Kalvor Azrael Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.06.11 15:10:00 - [25] Originally by: Janu Hull Originally by: Occasus Vim Let the accusations of piracy come, it is the tired ammunition of the slavers' propaganda war against us. You're right, what you're proposing isn't piracy. Piracy I can actually understand. Its goals are clear, profit at the expense of others. What I see here is the bloodthirsty flailing of a routed force seeking mayhem to compensate for its inability to create sustainable progress towards its goals. In short: Ushra'Khan is throwing a temper tantrum. Pirates are merciless, but they've got the benefit of at least being mature. On the contrary. Our long term goal is the abolition of slavery and the freedom of our people. Our short term goal is disrupting the slaver's way of life. Our method is to kill the slavers and those who support them in Amarr, Providence, Catch. You confuse piracy with war. War is not just fought militarily, but economically and socially as well. CVA knows this well, as they have fought us on all of these fronts. We adapt and learn. But don't worry, nothing's changed for you. Your prior statements on GalNet would have had you set red to us even if Providence was not a free-fire zone.
Caillech Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.06.11 15:24:00 - [26] Location: Classified coordinates System: Misaba Region: Domain Caillech had heard enough. Over the secured inter-corporation coordination channel for deployed strike forces, an otherwise slow period was interrupted by an informal conversation expressing the anxiety and excitement generated by the Council's new announcement. Many newer members showed faltering nerve in the face of Ushra'Khan's new hard line, choosing to perceive the new direction through the conventional prism of Empire and Republic politics. The older members understood the more grave and deadly nature of slavery and the Amarrian empire's thirst for conquest and welcomed a more focused direction. Choosing the right moment, she interjected as a younger pilot asked rhetorically if this is what Ushra'Khan was assembled to do. "This, brothers, is what we were born to do. There is no innocence when it comes to the enslavement of our people. Hands are bloody on both sides. If one enriches themselves under the protection of those who murder and enslave our people, they have spilt our people's blood just the same. When the hour of reckoning was at hand, how many of our so-called friends freely bathed in the blood of Ushra'Khan and our people? How many of our so-called enemies did more to advance the freedom of our people in a week than the Republic has done in centuries? Never forget that every second, millions of our people are subjected to torture, rape, mutilation and murder at the hands of the Amarrian grubworms who continue to feast on the labor of the noble races of the galaxy. Those who travel and trade under the protection of these worms do their part to encourage the spread of this pestilence and must be exterminated as much as, if not more so than, the parasites. The choice is simple - the fist of Matar or the collar of Amarr. Unlike the enslavers, we grant Providence and Catch that choice. We merely deliver the consequences." She switched off her comm and engaged the warp drive for the Mamet gate, hopeful that Matar would grant her another opportunity to squash another pustulent grubworm on this patrol.
Artthana Minmatar Acme Technologies Incorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.06.11 15:25:00 - [27] Edited by: Artthana on 11/06/2007 15:28:29 Originally by: Vantras ...and the conflict enters a new phase... The path to enlightenment is through service to the empire. I personally extend an invitation to my wayward Minmatar brethern to join with me - as I lead you to salvation. Yes, yes that sounds very interesting. But where should we meet? How about we meet down by the slave pens were they hold our brother and sister like animals, or maybe in one of the ôreeducationö areas, you know where they mercilessly whip, beat, ***and mutilate our people into submission. Oh wait, the ôreeducationö area is a bad idea it will probably bring up some bad memories of what they had to do to you to make you spew that pro-slaver trash out of your mouth. Also I bet it doesnÆt smell too nice down there either. It has to be very hard to wash away the stench of all the blood and death Ok maybe we can meet in the area where they take the newly acquired slaves, you know the ones that are kidnapped from the outer colonies, oh wait it will be too loud down there with all the screaming and begging for mercy. Ok lets meet on the market where they sell slaves. We can watch as slaver scum buy and sell our brothers and sisters like cattle. Yes lets meet there. You can speak to me about the joys of salvation as I speak to you in ôrockö. What is rock you ask? Rock is a language I learned in the slave mines, I find it is one of the few things that slavers truly understand. It is such a simply yet effective language. All you do is pick up a rock and then smash the slavers** skull in with it. I find that I can speak to anti-slavers with words and logic, but pro-slavers need a good skull smashing to understand my right to freedom. We are coming for our people slaver.
Artthana Minmatar Acme Technologies Incorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.06.11 15:32:00 - [28] Originally by: Caillech .... The choice is simple - the fist of Matar or the collar of Amarr. Unlike the enslavers, we grant Providence and Catch that choice. We merely deliver the consequences." ...... Well said sister.
Janu Hull Caldari Order of Z Industries	Posted - 2007.06.11 16:23:00 - [29] Originally by: Kalvor Azrael Originally by: Janu Hull Originally by: Occasus Vim Let the accusations of piracy come, it is the tired ammunition of the slavers' propaganda war against us. You're right, what you're proposing isn't piracy. Piracy I can actually understand. Its goals are clear, profit at the expense of others. What I see here is the bloodthirsty flailing of a routed force seeking mayhem to compensate for its inability to create sustainable progress towards its goals. In short: Ushra'Khan is throwing a temper tantrum. Pirates are merciless, but they've got the benefit of at least being mature. On the contrary. Our long term goal is the abolition of slavery and the freedom of our people. Our short term goal is disrupting the slaver's way of life. Our method is to kill the slavers and those who support them in Amarr, Providence, Catch. You confuse piracy with war. War is not just fought militarily, but economically and socially as well. CVA knows this well, as they have fought us on all of these fronts. We adapt and learn. But don't worry, nothing's changed for you. Your prior statements on GalNet would have had you set red to us even if Providence was not a free-fire zone. I've made my decision with my eyes open to the consequences. And thus far the consequences have been utterly somnolent. I'll spare you the sob story about why I made the decision I did, but the bottom line is, so far its been profitable, and unregretted. If you people are really interested in making an impact in the Providence region, you ought to formalize your relations with Einherjar Rising. They more than any other group I've encountered out there have made working the region something other than a boring tour of the local asteroid belts and plexes.
Forty Three Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.06.11 16:37:00 - [30] Edited by: Forty Three on 11/06/2007 16:36:52 Originally by: Janu Hull I'll spare you the sob story about why I made the decision I did, but the bottom line is, so far its been profitable, and unregretted. And this is why you're wrong. as my comrade captain Jeekin stated, it's ok for you to be safe, as long as it is others that are suffering for your safety and protection. In my eyes, you're no better than them, and, in some cases, worse. Originally by: Janu Hull If you people are really interested in making an impact in the Providence region, you ought to formalize your relations with Einherjar Rising. They more than any other group I've encountered out there have made working the region something other than a boring tour of the local asteroid belts and plexes. Hah. You obviously have not been around much, have you? We have been formally in cooperation with the fine pilots of Einherjar Rising for several weeks now. We respected each other when we clashed, and still respect each other now that we have found objectives in common. We are not the 'police force' anymore. We were never anti-pirate, so I don't know which moral highground it is that we lost. Yes, I said it, we were never anti-pirate out of principle. We killed pirates because they shot at us and they shot at friendly traders which fueled UNITY's economy. Without the station, there is no need to be anti-pirate. You are either with us or against us. We are Ushra'Khan. We come for our people. Battle Commander Forty Three, Masuat'aa Tribe, Ushra'Khan. ----------------------------------------------- UNITY!!!
Janu Hull Caldari Order of Z Industries	Posted - 2007.06.11 17:52:00 - [31] Edited by: Janu Hull on 11/06/2007 17:53:27 Originally by: Forty Three Edited by: Forty Three on 11/06/2007 16:36:52 Originally by: Janu Hull I'll spare you the sob story about why I made the decision I did, but the bottom line is, so far its been profitable, and unregretted. And this is why you're wrong. as my comrade captain Jeekin stated, it's ok for you to be safe, as long as it is others that are suffering for your safety and protection. In my eyes, you're no better than them, and, in some cases, worse. I've done time on the battle lines against hostiles in the region, and there'll be plenty more in the future. I don't have the support mechanism to quickly rebuild the ships I lose, so extended downtimes are a necessity in the face of excessive losses. And right now I'm paying for my enthusiastic participation. That said, anyone in the area I'm working that needs help, I'm there, no question asked, no concern of the risks to me. Quote: Originally by: Janu Hull If you people are really interested in making an impact in the Providence region, you ought to formalize your relations with Einherjar Rising. They more than any other group I've encountered out there have made working the region something other than a boring tour of the local asteroid belts and plexes. Hah. You obviously have not been around much, have you? We have been formally in cooperation with the fine pilots of Einherjar Rising for several weeks now. We respected each other when we clashed, and still respect each other now that we have found objectives in common. I'm aware of what you claim, yet I've seen elsewhere that ENH representatives saying there's no formal alliance. Doesn't matter to me, truth be told. I just watch the banners on the IFF monitor and call it like I see it. And I haven't seen much of UK in the last week, outside of lurking in the 9UY system. Quote: We are not the 'police force' anymore. We were never anti-pirate, so I don't know which moral highground it is that we lost. See, now this is where you completely miss the point, and the opportunity to grow. Part of what generates support for your cause is the concept of its relative moral righteousness and your ability to police your space well enough that you attract people interested in doing business with you. If you want the reward of my business, you've got to do your part to mitigate the risk I'm taking for YOUR benefit. If you want people to support your cause, you've got to give us a reason to believe your cause works to our benefit. Its cynical, but unless you want to spend the rest of your lives as guerrillas fighting an empire you can't beat, you've got to push back, create a working model of what you want to see replace the empire you defeat. Ironic as it might be to say this, you can't just attack your way to victory anymore than you can defend your way to it. You have to balance it. You attack the Amarr, you push them back, then you fortify your gains and protect your backfield so you can build a sustainable empire that fuels your efforts. An army marches on its stomach, and the food for your army is ISK. I've got ISK, I'm willing to spend it, but you've got to make it worth my while to feed it to you. Part of that is making damned sure I can get to you without getting shot to pieces. I'm a realist, like most others that come out here. I know you can't be perfect, but leaving me to my fate without offering even a modicum of support ain't tickling my fancy. If you can't build an empire, you sure as hell don't know enough to topple one, because you don't understand where an empire's real strength lies, so you have no idea where it is you should be striking. Its clear to me that you have no idea what the value is in building an empire, so regardless of the relative nobility of your goals, there's no benefit to anyone aiding you in acheiving them.
Redpants Gallente Dead Eagle North Star Confederation	Posted - 2007.06.11 18:53:00 - [32] Ushra'Khan is NBSI now? That's an interesting play on words since I fail to see how your operations will be any different than your NRDS policy. UK has lost. You have lost the faith and admiration of your people. You have lost the respect of your enemies, and you have lost the trust of the neutral citizens in New Eden. Your fight has not destroyed the practice of slavery in this galaxy, nor the Amarrian Empire you so fanatically protest. You however have succeeded in having destroyed your families, your support and ironicly your cause. Your NRDS policy was a joke and as far as myself or NSTAR is concerned you only threw around that policy by name for PR purposes on Galnet. In practice you shot anything that moved that wasn't a Minmatar outwardly. That is why UK is Kill On Sight to NSTAR and will remain on that list. In our book UK is a criminal organization. It's a shame, I think, that an organization such as ours who's concern is law and order in the galaxy must take such a stance on your people. Your cause was a noble one, or I will correct myself and say it IS a noble one. Freedom, safety and the right to a peaceful life are ideals NSTAR holds up. However in your practices to fight for your once noble cause, you Ushra'Khan have turned dark and sinister and have let your passions consume you. You have let your passions rot you to the core. Ushra'Khan will destroy worlds, solar systems and galaxies in this universe on their mad quest. Hipocricy runs too deep to save UK. They have shoved aside the very ideals they want to defend in thier obsessions, in their struggle, in this war. You lost my support a long time ago Ushra'Khan, but the Minmatar cause has not. The Amarrians must have victory on this day, so that perhaps another day, using the vehicle of reason and sanity, the Minmatars can stand tall, proud and fully independant. In order for that day to come, you will be destroyed. "My once immaculate white pants are now stained from the weak and innocent. I don't wear red."
Scagga Laebetrovo Delictum 23216	Posted - 2007.06.11 19:10:00 - [33] Delictum 23216 HQ, Sasta Scagga put down his cold cup of Ataeni. For weeks, work in his office had simply been one problem after the other, only ever interrupted by the tone to come to the dining halls. Now this news had ruined his appetite. "Damn those heathens..." Delictum 23216 Official forums
Mangold Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.06.11 20:15:00 - [34] Redpants, are you a relative of Tomahawk Bliss? Regards
Maggot Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.06.11 20:22:00 - [35] Scientists in our labs have scanned the message from Redpants a number of times and still failed to find any facts in the content. The collaborators in Providence will die. Maggot.
Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.06.11 21:39:00 - [36] I rather suspect that some of the pilots expressing dissapointment in UK's free-fire policy, are actually coveting it with envious eyes... I wonder how long good combat pilots within the CVA puppet organisations in Providence will tolerate the restrictive engagement terms dictated to them. Time will tell. ---------- signature removed - please do not discuss moderation in your signature graphic - Jacques([email protected])
Janu Hull Caldari Order of Z Industries	Posted - 2007.06.11 22:16:00 - [37] Originally by: Butter Dog I wonder how long good combat pilots within the CVA puppet organisations in Providence will tolerate the restrictive engagement terms dictated to them. Time will tell. What's restrictive about their ROEs? CVA has a KOS list that nearly overloads the system when you bring it up... They've got targets in there from bush league, empire corporate, bottom feeders up to some of the AAA territorial alliances. If its not on the list, don't shoot. Ask if you're not certain. Its not complicated...
Equinox Daedalus Caldari The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.11 23:29:00 - [38] I think Butter's Likes to hear himself talk. That being said we do operate a restricted Polocy of NRDS, for the benifit of everyone in providence. Unlike others, we value the free trade ethos as well as encouraging 1st time players out to 0.0 space, and try to give them a small sampling of what 0.0 life is like. I would not say its the same as Deep 0.0, but it is always a challange. And to Zool, You have always been a worthy adversary I hope that you find true enlightment. If you indeed seek such, the path of the spoonies is always open to helping your mind become one with the amarrian way. The Legion of Spoon : Upon wings of wax I fly, never to close to the sun
Acron Ishtal Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.12 01:09:00 - [39] Originally by: Butter Dog I rather suspect that some of the pilots expressing dissapointment in UK's free-fire policy, are actually coveting it with envious eyes... I wonder how long good combat pilots within the CVA puppet organisations in Providence will tolerate the restrictive engagement terms dictated to them. Time will tell. I can't speak for everyone in Providence, of course, but the CVA has been operating NBSI very successfully for years now. Sure it's a minor headache, with the artificial restrictions CONCORD imposes with regards to relations management, but we're Amarrians... Difficult is just another day at the office. Show me impossible and I'll break a sweat. Operation Reciprocity
Occasus Vim Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.06.12 01:47:00 - [40] Edited by: Occasus Vim on 12/06/2007 01:48:02 NSTAR, your spokesperson is either a liar, or a fool. I expect you'll know which. If a fool, his ignorance might be excused. To doubt our former anti-piracy efforts is ludicrous. Some people may still remember the Pirate Siege of 9UY4-H. Until recently all of the entities that attacked Unity then remained hunted targets for the Ushra'Khan, and many pirates, both self-styled and merely accused, will to this day attest to how hard we fought against them in defense of our territory and allies of the time. Perhaps he is fool enough to not know that the reason we allied with known pirates was because they approached us with the offer, mutually respected foes. How could this be established unless we engaged them in hostilities? "Only for PR purposes" my pale Sebiestor arse. And, if a liar, then it is all too likely that NSTAR are just another of CVA's puppets, towing the line they are given in exchange for agreed protection, afforded by CVA's considerable strength. This, to me, seems more likely. NSTAR stand for law and order? Freedom? This must be a Gallente comedy festival. Tell me, why do you oppose (or say you oppose) piracy? Because they take from others what does not belong to them? Because they profit at the expense of others? Only an utter fool or a liar could claim this moral high ground and stand where NSTAR stands. CVA are a capsuleer military for an Empire whose only defining feature in our modern age is its unwillingness to surrended the practices of theft, kidnapping, and profiting from the expense of others. They are the poster children for the practices you claim to oppose. The borders have been declared. Providence and Catch carry a 0.0 security rating. This means they are lawless beyond the capacity of sovereignty holders to enforce laws. Ushra'Khan will not be blockading low-security jump gates looking to dispense of pent up aggression, we will be campaigning against the well known expansion of the Amarr Empire by capsuleer forces and their sycophantic, dancing puppets. Supporters of slavery must not be allowed to grow fat, lest they consume us all. Providence and Catch are a pair of their most significant homes now, and everyone has been given fair warning of what will be taking place. Now is the time to choose, and play the hands you will.
Gabriel Death Caldari Pog Mo Thoin SYSTEM SHOCK INITIATIVE	Posted - 2007.06.12 03:18:00 - [41] Gabriel Death stands out in front a press conference on the battleship "Couger" "I am making a statement on behave of my Corperation. If i or any of my pilots see any Ushra'Khan pilot inhabiting the Providence region, we will open fire on them and will not ransom their pods for safe passage, but instead blown up. As for this slaver talk. There are no Slavers in my Cooperation or is there any Slavers in the systems that I live in or any of my corp mates live in. Slavery has been around a long time. Slaves are allowed to buy their freedom too, if I am not mistaken. Anyway, Ushra'Khan are Pirates now and will be dealt with like pirates. They were Anti-Pirate and I was anti-pirate with them. I remained out of the Amarr-Minmatar war about the whole Slaver ideal's. But now Ushra'Khan are Pirates. I Liked the Ushra'Khan Pilots when they had their Anti-Piracy laws. So like I said, IF I catch any Ushra'Khan pilots now, they will be dealt with like pirates." Gabriel Death left the conference before any other question were asked.
Tar Kovsky Minmatar Khumatari Holdings Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.06.12 04:03:00 - [42] Originally by: Gabriel Death Slavery has been around a long time. Typical Caldari. No problem with slavery; just don't interfere with his profits.
Montague Zooma Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.12 05:44:00 - [43] Quote: Let it be known, effective immediately Providence and Catch are now declared UshraÆKhan free-fire zones. The only way to avoid our fire is to openly declare your hostility to those who support the tyranny of the Amarr Empire and the para-militaries on its fringes. Burn Providence, Burn. Thank you, Ushra'Khan, for lifting the veil from my eyes. Foolish optimist that I am...or rather, was...I came close to being branded a heretic and a blasphemer for urging restraint to my fellow alliance members. "There's still the possibility of hope," I said. "Perhaps they can still be made to see the light, to see the wrongness of their actions. We have beaten them, there is no need to utterly destroy them." I was wrong, shamefully wrong. I see you now for what you are: not freedom fighters, not misguided idealists, but simply vessels of hate and destruction. I beg the forgiveness of my brothers and sisters, and shall seek redemption in combat. Yes, Ushra'Khan, Providence will burn. It will burn with Amarrian righteousness, fueled by the wreckage of your ships and broken dreams.
Aria Jenneth Caldari Omerta Syndicate	Posted - 2007.06.12 07:01:00 - [44] Edited by: Aria Jenneth on 12/06/2007 07:02:09 Originally by: Tar Kovsky Typical Caldari. No problem with slavery; just don't interfere with his profits. Then please permit a Caldari less-concerned with profits to present a view. This decision by Ushra'Khan saddens me. As some of you may recall, I've publically opposed the Amarr practice of slavery and occasionally voiced a degree of support for the Matari cause. I've also made a point of speaking up when I see a person or policy making his or her cause hard to support, and that is what I see now. Ushra'Khan, for a long time I've admired you as principled freedom fighters, despite your apostacy against the Republic government. You maintained principled stances, even through the bloodshed, that drew attention to your cause as one easy as worthy as that of CVA-- moreso, because CVA stands for Amarrian hegemony and the spread of ideals the rest of the cluster by no means shares, while you stand only for the release of kin still held captive. That admiration is now dimmed. It is not that you are any worse than the rest of us: I serve the Omerta Syndicate, after all, and routinely hunt those who fail to carry the mark of allies. In many ways, the nullsec fiefdoms are bandit kingdoms, nothing more, and your organization now reflects that as the rest of us do, bowing to a darker reality of our existence. The tragedy here is not that you're any worse than we are; it's that you're just as bad, and there's a word for freedom fighters to whom that happens: terrorists. A bit less sympathetic, no? Yes, the argument over terminology with CVA and PIE has now tipped very sharply their way. This decision of yours isn't surprising, considering your recent loss. I doubt, however, that it will ultimately serve to do anything other than to get you shot at by many, many more people. For my part, little will change. I'll be a little quicker to support EM in discussion, and a little slower, perhaps, to support you. However, as I have no intention of hunting PIE and CVA unless Omerta at some point makes a project of going after them, those ten bodies are likely to be long in coming. May our paths, therefore, never cross. Good luck, though I fear that most of yours has run out, at least as heroes. Few people of good heart have much use for corrupted crusaders; in recasting yourselves in the role of terrorist scum, you're likely to attract mostly monstrous ideologues and mercenary predators. Naturally, my views are not those of the Omerta Syndicate. They are exclusively my own. It's therefore possible that we might someday show up with a pile of corpses for you, but that seems pretty unlikely. Hopefully, we won't come visiting. A light in the universe has gone out. CVA did indeed steal your pretty reflector, but they weren't the ones who smothered the flame. Welcome to the shadows, Ushra'Khan. It was crowded enough down here without you.
Mistress Suffering Einherjar Rising	Posted - 2007.06.12 07:44:00 - [45] An enemy is always quick to offer advice and pronounce judgement with serious tone and paternalistic air. Yet such advice is always for their own benefit, not yours, and should be viewed accordingly. Just as they offer you shackles of the body, so too do they offer you shackles of the mind. It saddens me to watch how quickly some who proclaim they live to be free, bind themselves to such falsehoods.
Chishan Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.06.12 07:48:00 - [46] When I sought out the warriors of Masuat'aa Matari, to join the Ushra'Khan, I did not join to stop the spread of "piracy". I did not join to make profits in 0.0 space. I did not join to protect those who wish to profit off of 0.0 space. I joined to stem the tide of Amarrian expansionism, a movement based on slavery. If this means turning Providence into a free-fire zone, I welcome it. Call me what you wish. I'm not here to twist words and apply catch all labels to conveniently assuage troubled consciences.
Master OlavPancrazio Einherjar Rising	Posted - 2007.06.12 07:56:00 - [47] Edited by: Master OlavPancrazio on 12/06/2007 07:55:17 Glad to see UK is finally evolving to a much more rational ideology. In a war that will affect their very own race's fate, the only way to see things is you're either helping them, or you're completely against them and in CVA's back pocket. Providence is not welcome to pilot's who wish to align themselves to the path of ease built upon the backs of slaves.
Ardan Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.06.12 12:25:00 - [48] How quickly everyone's openions change... When CVA could not push us out of Unity station by force, they spammed us with towers, everyone said, that is just another aspect of war. Adapt. We did. Cutting off your enemies supply lines, and any that would sell supplies to him is another means of fighting a war. So adapt. This is a free warning. If you do not want to loose money, don't sell anything in this region of space. Go some where else. I have noticed that the profits here are huge, for you secret warmongers. Price gouging is quite common. This is merely an old aspect of warfare that is being readaped for today. It is called placeing them under seige and starveing them out. It has been used since the days of wooden castles, even before the stone castles. So if you are coming to sell your wares to the slavers, then be it known that you will pay the price. If you are comming to sell things to us at greatly inflated prices, then you are no better than the rest. You also will pay the price. If you are a slaver, you will pay the price any way. You are with us or you are against us. Wether you are physicaly resisting us or logisticaly/financialy resisting us, you are still resisting us. YOU ARE WITH US OR AGAINST US!!! It is YOUR choice. You have been warned and do have the choice. Your options are, help us, help them or stay away. "Let them hate us as long as they Fear us." Colligula
Occasus Vim Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.06.12 13:37:00 - [49] Conviction is a luxury of those at the sidelines.
Mattduk Gallente Universal Army	Posted - 2007.06.12 14:26:00 - [50] To those branding the brave Minmatarian freedom fighters as pirates and brigands, be careful what you say, for your words flow without thought, and your claims spew forth without reasoning. Statements of nothing more than thinly veiled public relations deceit. There isn't a shred of truth in the idea that Ushra'Khan are 'pirates', or even a tiny inkling that they are shooting for fun rather than for an ideal. The Imperial Amarr want everyone to fear the brave souls who fight for justice and the end of tyranny, not because they are a danger to all good men, women and children, for that concept is proposterous. Moreso, they spread these lies and propogate this fear because keeping the masses afraid makes it easier for the imperialist regime to control them. This leadership tactic has been used throughout history, even as far back as the 21st century. Ushra'Khan and their fealess allies have shed themselves of the burden of quasi imperialism, and have returned to their true calling. A calling of liberty, and freedom for all. However, these honorable goals come at a price, and that price is a grave one indeed. In times of trouble, even the innocent are harmed. In most cases this is an inevitable collateral damage which we would all wish to avoid, but alas, it is inevitable. Those good people of this universe, the wholesome few who stand against the concept of slavery, either as pilots within the ranks of Ushra'khan, and it's allies, or as an innocent passerby, should understand that being in the sovereign presence of the Amarr is a dangerous place to be. This war zone has ravaged for countless years, and danger has always lurked amongst the celestial entities of Providence. If your intentions in the Free-Fire Zones are truly innocent, then one can only assume you have stated your politics to either one side, or the other. If this is the case, then you should be aware of your fate. If you are in the Free-Fire Zones and you have not arranged standings, then you are there at your own risk. Mattduk CEO - Universal Army
KhanJohn Amarr Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.06.12 14:48:00 - [51] thankyou matt i couldnt of put it better myself, hole in one mate! People ask me what i am if i am not Amarran - i am a free "Amarri" all exiled amarrans who do not believe the tainted prophets are!
Gaven Lok'ri Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.06.12 14:50:00 - [52] Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 12/06/2007 14:49:45 Your crusade has always been about hate and death and nothing else. You really might as well just drop the talk of freedom, because you have no desire to free anyone, just to assuage your mindless hate by killing all that you see in front of you. You would sacrifice your entire race for a chance to get revenge, throw them all into the grinder without a second thought if you had even a chance of getting your petty vengeance. We offered peace and you chose war, that you now expand that war to target yet more innocents is entirely unsurprising. Deus Vult! PIE Website Public Channel: 'PIE Public'
Ontaku Oroa Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.06.12 15:50:00 - [53] Your peace is for cattle. This is how you treat our people. Like cattle. Let me phrase this succintly. You can shove your "peace" where the sun does not shine.
Hooch Flux Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.06.12 16:00:00 - [54] Cows with Guns? Excelent! I say prep for dustoff, nuke the site from orbit... Only way to be sure!
Mahe Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.12 16:10:00 - [55] Give them a path of havoc and mayhem, UK. Be strong, fast, angry, determinated. wink
Gaven Lok'ri Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.06.12 16:34:00 - [56] Originally by: Hooch Flux Edited by: Hooch Flux on 12/06/2007 16:07:44 Hate and revenge for what Gaven? Their utterly misguided beliefs about the harm that Amarr supposedly did to them. They ignore the reality that there would not be a Matari race extant in this universe anymore if it wasn't for the grace we granted their people. Deus Vult! PIE Website Public Channel: 'PIE Public'
Derran Minmatar Khumatari Holdings Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.06.12 16:51:00 - [57] Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri They ignore the reality that there would not be a Matari race extant in this universe anymore if it wasn't for the grace we granted their people. Oh spare me your rhetoric. That Amarrians came to Pator, killed millions and took millions more as slaves can hardly be disputed. It is a historical fact. You want us to thank you for that? To say that there would not be a Minmatar race without the Amarrians is a farce. Everything you call the Minmatar today is because of Amarrians. So you can keep your 'grace' and stick it in an appropriate place. The minmatar people were living in a more simple, primitive society but that was their choice to make, not yours. Amarr needed slaves, they came, they took them and destroyed anyone that was in the way. They saw a weaker group and chose to conquer them. Lets not pretend it is anything different because as much as Amarrians abhor Gallente society, they sure didn't make a move on them, now did they?
Ardan Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.06.12 16:55:00 - [58] Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri Originally by: Hooch Flux Their utterly misguided beliefs about the harm that Amarr supposedly did to them. They ignore the reality that there would not be a Matari race extant in this universe anymore if it wasn't for the grace we granted their people.[/quote So what you are saying is that we should be gratefull to be alive. We should be thankfull that you did not destroy our race, who was no threat to you at the time, and merely enslaved us? We should thank you for invadeing without provocation? We should thank you for those that died defending our peoples freedom? We should thank you for the BILLIONS who have died in slavery? That I personaly should thank you for the first 20 years of my life as a slave, then my return and 3 years in a reeducation camp? The beatings, humiliation, torture, mind games, drugs planted in my system against my will? On a side note did you notice that when gallante use drugs of their own free will on them selves it is a horrid sin, but when amarr use drugs on inocents against their will it is the service of god? Hypocrites... Liers... Demons... You will burn... Am I about freedom or revenge? You better beleive it. "Let them hate us as long as they Fear us." Colligula
Gaven Lok'ri Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.06.12 17:26:00 - [59] Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 12/06/2007 17:27:10 Your race was well on the way to destroying itself. We saved you from yourselves and then even let you go in peace after you unjustly kicked out your rightful nefantir leadership. And you repay us with a crusade of death. Well, two can play that game. You will die and accomplish nothing with your murder sprees. Deus Vult! PIE Website Public Channel: 'PIE Public'
Derran Minmatar Khumatari Holdings Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.06.12 18:41:00 - [60] Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri Your race was well on the way to destroying itself. Prove it. Just because a society is not like yours doesn't mean it can't thrive and prosper. Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri We saved you from yourselves and then even let you go in peace after you unjustly kicked out your rightful nefantir leadership. As if you would do any less to people who turned their backs on you. Hypocrit. Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri And you repay us with a crusade of death. Well, two can play that game. You will die and accomplish nothing with your murder sprees. You don't have the right to claim the higher ground after the acts against humanity that the Amarr have committed, not the least of which is the death of millions of minmatar caused by Amarrians just because they were in your way of conquest.
Hooch Flux Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.06.12 19:45:00 - [61] Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 12/06/2007 17:27:10 Your race was well on the way to destroying itself. We saved you from yourselves and then even let you go in peace after you unjustly kicked out your rightful nefantir leadership. And you repay us with a crusade of death. Well, two can play that game. You will die and accomplish nothing with your murder sprees. So because the Amarr believed that the Minmitar were destroying themselves, they have the right to enslave and kill millions/billions in the name of God! I argue that that is an excuse to subjugate another people for your own purposes! Thing about history is, it's written by the victor! Therefore facts become a little vague, over time anyone can be convinced of there rightousness if it suits their own purpose! I say prep for dustoff, nuke the site from orbit... Only way to be sure!
Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.06.12 19:50:00 - [62] Originally by: Janu Hull Originally by: Butter Dog I wonder how long good combat pilots within the CVA puppet organisations in Providence will tolerate the restrictive engagement terms dictated to them. Time will tell. What's restrictive about their ROEs? CVA has a KOS list that nearly overloads the system when you bring it up... They've got targets in there from bush league, empire corporate, bottom feeders up to some of the AAA territorial alliances. If its not on the list, don't shoot. Ask if you're not certain. Its not complicated... 'Whats restrictice about their ROE's?' 'If its not on the list, don't shoot.' I think you rather answered your own question. ---------- signature removed - please do not discuss moderation in your signature graphic - Jacques([email protected])
Reash Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.12 20:26:00 - [63] Originally by: Hooch Flux Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 12/06/2007 17:27:10 Your race was well on the way to destroying itself. We saved you from yourselves and then even let you go in peace after you unjustly kicked out your rightful nefantir leadership. And you repay us with a crusade of death. Well, two can play that game. You will die and accomplish nothing with your murder sprees. So because the Amarr believed that the Minmitar were destroying themselves, they have the right to enslave and kill millions/billions in the name of God! I argue that that is an excuse to subjugate another people for your own purposes! Thing about history is, it's written by the victor! Therefore facts become a little vague, over time anyone can be convinced of there rightousness if it suits their own purpose! There is medicine which can be given to save lives which may hurt (an injection for example). If a child was sick, would you refuse him the injection because it may hurt the child? I think not. The same is true for the minmatar race, they must feel pain for the own good. ----------------------- Auctoritan Syndicate Director
Janu Hull Caldari Order of Z Industries	Posted - 2007.06.12 20:36:00 - [64] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Janu Hull Originally by: Butter Dog I wonder how long good combat pilots within the CVA puppet organisations in Providence will tolerate the restrictive engagement terms dictated to them. Time will tell. What's restrictive about their ROEs? CVA has a KOS list that nearly overloads the system when you bring it up... They've got targets in there from bush league, empire corporate, bottom feeders up to some of the AAA territorial alliances. If its not on the list, don't shoot. Ask if you're not certain. Its not complicated... 'Whats restrictice about their ROE's?' 'If its not on the list, don't shoot.' I think you rather answered your own question. Fair enough. I suppose I can't complain about that answer. Civilization would be damned boring if there weren't barbarians to defend it from.
Hooch Flux Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.06.12 20:44:00 - [65] Originally by: Reash Originally by: Hooch Flux Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 12/06/2007 17:27:10 Your race was well on the way to destroying itself. We saved you from yourselves and then even let you go in peace after you unjustly kicked out your rightful nefantir leadership. And you repay us with a crusade of death. Well, two can play that game. You will die and accomplish nothing with your murder sprees. So because the Amarr believed that the Minmitar were destroying themselves, they have the right to enslave and kill millions/billions in the name of God! I argue that that is an excuse to subjugate another people for your own purposes! Thing about history is, it's written by the victor! Therefore facts become a little vague, over time anyone can be convinced of there rightousness if it suits their own purpose! There is medicine which can be given to save lives which may hurt (an injection for example). If a child was sick, would you refuse him the injection because it may hurt the child? I think not. The same is true for the minmatar race, they must feel pain for the own good. In your opinion! I argue you don't have the right to make that judgement on someone else! The Minmitar are not your children (would you medicate a child against their wishes, especially if you were not qualified to do it?)! What qualified the Amarr to make such a judgement? You're belief in God? Maybe the Minmitar don't want to believe in the same God. Maybe God's will is to crush the Amarr for their Arrogance and Pride using the Minmitar as a tool! Maybe it's you, The Amarr who are misguided? After all, Books are written by men, and men are flawed! I say prep for dustoff, nuke the site from orbit... Only way to be sure!
Gaven Lok'ri Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.06.12 20:54:00 - [66] The Amarr people came into the world and the world came into being. Our illustrious ancestors freed their souls from the evils of the old world and created a new one. The great Amarr Empire was founded to cultivate the spirit of man. To do so the enemies of the outside had to be defeated and the enemies of the inside controlled. The Lord gave our Emperor the power to harness the Good and punish the Evil. Ever since, the Emperor has lived the lives of his subjects and breathed the air of authority. Deus Vult! PIE Website Public Channel: 'PIE Public'
Hooch Flux Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.06.12 20:58:00 - [67] Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri The Amarr people came into the world and the world came into being. Our illustrious ancestors freed their souls from the evils of the old world and created a new one. The great Amarr Empire was founded to cultivate the spirit of man. To do so the enemies of the outside had to be defeated and the enemies of the inside controlled. The Lord gave our Emperor the power to harness the Good and punish the Evil. Ever since, the Emperor has lived the lives of his subjects and breathed the air of authority. As I said, books are written by Men, Men are flawed! You have just made my argument about preaching something long enough and you start to believe it! Now repeat that over countless generations... And what do you get? I say prep for dustoff, nuke the site from orbit... Only way to be sure!
Janu Hull Caldari Order of Z Industries	Posted - 2007.06.12 21:12:00 - [68] Originally by: Hooch Flux Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri The Amarr people came into the world and the world came into being. Our illustrious ancestors freed their souls from the evils of the old world and created a new one. The great Amarr Empire was founded to cultivate the spirit of man. To do so the enemies of the outside had to be defeated and the enemies of the inside controlled. The Lord gave our Emperor the power to harness the Good and punish the Evil. Ever since, the Emperor has lived the lives of his subjects and breathed the air of authority. As I said, books are written by Men, Men are flawed! You have just made my argument about preaching something long enough and you start to believe it! Now repeat that over countless generations... And what do you get? [insert comment about divine inspiration] [insert retort about delusions of grandeur] [insert counterinsult about heritage as an unenlightened heathen]
Hooch Flux Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.06.12 23:10:00 - [69] Originally by: Janu Hull [insert comment about divine inspiration] [insert retort about delusions of grandeur] [insert counterinsult about heritage as an unenlightened heathen] Beat'm to it! I say prep for dustoff, nuke the site from orbit... Only way to be sure!
Janu Hull Caldari Order of Z Industries	Posted - 2007.06.12 23:42:00 - [70] Edited by: Janu Hull on 12/06/2007 23:40:58 Originally by: Janu Hull Gaven> [insert comment about divine inspiration] And then... Hooch> [insert retort about delusions of grandeur] And then... Gaven> [insert counterinsult about heritage as an unenlightened heathen] Feexed
Arnulf Ogunkoya Minmatar Liberal Trading Co Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.06.13 00:18:00 - [71] Edited by: Arnulf Ogunkoya on 13/06/2007 00:18:37 Originally by: Reash There is medicine which can be given to save lives which may hurt (an injection for example). If a child was sick, would you refuse him the injection because it may hurt the child? I think not. The same is true for the minmatar race, they must feel pain for the own good. If I see that "medicine" analogy one more time I am going to have to conclude that most Amarr posting here are not human at all but merely complex expert systems spouting pre-set responses. What is the precise scriptural reference that makes slavery compulsory as a tool of conversion anyway? Doubtless there is one but I don't recall ever seeing it. Regards, State of the Art Bang-Bang.
Occasus Vim Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.06.13 04:41:00 - [72] Reasoning by analogy is the best way for the Amarr to avoid having to pay attention to the real context of complex situations, and therefore enabling them to do whatever the hell they want so long as they can rationalize it with weak metaphors in their own minds. I am still waiting for a credible and respectable intellect to really speak on these issues, slavers. Fittingly enough, the only ones who have come at all close are the Ammatars.
zoolkhan Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.06.13 05:21:00 - [73] Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri Your crusade According to my research a crusader is a GOD believer in a shiny armour fightin far away lands for fame more than for his believes. Since we already make references to ancient myths, legends of other places... You, the harkonnen, have abused us for long enough time - time for freedom to start its triumph has come. You have provoked the shai'hulud by taking karishals defiance, and unity-station. punishment is due, and no sardaukar will be able to stop whats coming towards you. U'K recruit! ..we come for our people..
Hooch Flux Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.06.13 08:16:00 - [74] Originally by: Janu Hull Hooch> [insert retort about delusions of grandeur] Thats an assumption, I might have said something about "Multi-generational Conditioning" or "Holding hypocritical standards" or.... Yeah, I might have... I say prep for dustoff, nuke the site from orbit... Only way to be sure!
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.06.13 08:37:00 - [75] Originally by: Arnulf Ogunkoya What is the precise scriptural reference that makes slavery compulsory as a tool of conversion anyway? Doubtless there is one but I don't recall ever seeing it. I'm sure that if you were to attend one of the SPCS' rather excellent Scripture orientation courses, that you would soon be able both read and understand the multiple references to slavery within the Scriptures. In the meantime, I shall leave you with this: "The great Amarr Empire was founded to cultivate the spirit of man. "To do so the enemies of the outside had to be defeated and the enemies of the inside controlled." Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Hooch Flux Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.06.13 08:51:00 - [76] Originally by: Rodj Blake "The great Amarr Empire was founded to cultivate the spirit of man." This part is very noble and I think everyone can agree with that! Originally by: Rodj Blake "To do so the enemies of the outside had to be defeated OK, this part is good too, as it perscribes self defence! Originally by: Rodj Blake and the enemies of the inside controlled." This is where I believe we may differ in interpretation. What is your understanding of this segment? I say prep for dustoff, nuke the site from orbit... Only way to be sure!
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.06.13 09:52:00 - [77] Originally by: Hooch Flux Originally by: Rodj Blake "The great Amarr Empire was founded to cultivate the spirit of man." This part is very noble and I think everyone can agree with that! Originally by: Rodj Blake "To do so the enemies of the outside had to be defeated OK, this part is good too, as it perscribes self defence! Originally by: Rodj Blake and the enemies of the inside controlled." This is where I believe we may differ in interpretation. What is your understanding of this segment? I think that it's meaning is perfectly clear, namely that those within the Empire who wish the Empire harm must be controlled so that they serve correctly. Putting this into the context provided by the first part of the sentence, we can see that God wishes us to conquer our enemies, thus bringing them within the Empire. Once in the Empire, they need to be controlled. All of this needs to be done in a way that will cultivate the spirit of man, of course. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Gaius Kador PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.06.13 09:55:00 - [78] Preferrably by drowning them in their own blood. ----------------------------------------------
Hooch Flux Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.06.13 10:10:00 - [79] Originally by: zoolkhan Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri Your crusade According to my research a crusader is a GOD believer in a shiny armour fightin far away lands for fame more than for his believes. Since we already make references to ancient myths, legends of other places... You, the harkonnen, have abused us for long enough time - time for freedom to start its triumph has come. You have provoked the shai'hulud by taking karishals defiance, and unity-station. punishment is due, and no sardaukar will be able to stop whats coming towards you. The Sleeper will awaken! I say prep for dustoff, nuke the site from orbit... Only way to be sure!
Octavinus Augustus Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.06.13 13:41:00 - [80] Originally by: zoolkhan According to my research a crusader is a GOD believer in a shiny armour fightin in far away lands for fame more than for his believes. This is actually more of a popular myth than what the ancient legends actually say. A few points of correction: "Shiny armour" - Actually many of the ancient crusaders (at least during the first crusades) were actually little more than unarmed peasants setting out on their pilgrimmage (to a planet named "Jerusalem") with neither real military might nor real leadership. They did believe however, that GOD would intervene on their behalf when they reached their destination and faced the infidel occupying Jerusalem at the time. Apparently, GOD did not, and the slave markets of Jerusalem consequently saw quite a lot more business at the short term because of this. "Far away lands" - This is not necessarily true either. According to the ancient legends, it was believed that the true believers were beset by the devil on all sides, and fighting the infidels locally carried as much worth as fighting him for the planet Jerusalem. Consequently many crusades were launched for planets/systems with names like "The Iberian Peninsula" and "The Baltics". Also, the crusaders formed many military orders to help the fighting and most of these retained a strong presence and an ecomnomic base in their homelands. A few names of such orders have survived intact through the ages - "The Knights Templar", "The Hospitalar Knights" and "The German Order" for instance. "For fame more than for his beliefs" - Recent studies into the realm of the ancient legends seem to suggest that this is not the entire truth. First of all, to engage in a crusade was a VERY risky endeavor and also VERY expensive. So the rewards would have had to seem very tangible to the participants. The ancients believed that killing was a mortal sin, and so the warrior caste was consequently rather much at odds with their god and very likely to reap eternal damnation for what they did. However, joining a crusade would let the same warriors fight in the name of GOD, and thus "do their thing" in the name of good. Thus, with a little luck, they would change their destination from "hell" to "heaven". As a curiosum it can be mentioned that as killing was still a mortal sin, it was not uncommon for the crusaders after an engagement to kneel and ask GOD's forgiveness for what they had just done. All of this has absolutely no relevance whatsoever on the issues at hand, however. I just felt that a little clarification might be in order. Let me end with a slight paraphrasing of a famous Ushra'Khan saying: We are coming for your people. Motto: Vae Victis - Woe to the vanquished.
Janu Hull Caldari Order of Z Industries	Posted - 2007.06.13 14:39:00 - [81] Originally by: zoolkhan Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri Your crusade According to my research a crusader is a GOD believer in a shiny armour fightin far away lands for fame more than for his believes. Since we already make references to ancient myths, legends of other places... You, the harkonnen, have abused us for long enough time - time for freedom to start its triumph has come. You have provoked the shai'hulud by taking karishals defiance, and unity-station. punishment is due, and no sardaukar will be able to stop whats coming towards you. I know this story rather well, actually. I'm something of a student of Frank and Brian Herbert. 1) You're kinda lacking a mahdi to lead your people. No vision, no purpose, no plan. Remember that without that cult of personality around the Atreides, the Fremen really weren't anything other than bedouins wandering aimlessly in the desert causing the Harkonnens only minor issues in maintaining their spice quotas with enough to skim off the top and enhance their own hordes of it. All tactics, but no overarching strategy. 2) You have no control over any vital resource without which the world can't operate in spite of you. You've demonstrated an utter lack of ability to constrain trade and transport in the region to any measurable degree. To again bastardize the story you've tapped, the ISK still flows. Sorry to say it, but the Minmatar are not desert power.
Arnulf Ogunkoya Minmatar Liberal Trading Co Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.06.13 18:59:00 - [82] Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: Arnulf Ogunkoya What is the precise scriptural reference that makes slavery compulsory as a tool of conversion anyway? Doubtless there is one but I don't recall ever seeing it. I'm sure that if you were to attend one of the SPCS' rather excellent Scripture orientation courses, that you would soon be able both read and understand the multiple references to slavery within the Scriptures. In the meantime, I shall leave you with this: "The great Amarr Empire was founded to cultivate the spirit of man. "To do so the enemies of the outside had to be defeated and the enemies of the inside controlled." Mr Blake I am perfectly happy to read Amarrian scripture without having a SPCS instructor force me to do so. If for no other reason than to properly know the enemy. Your quote is demonstrably open to a number of interpretations other than the one you follow. The fact that there are theological factions within the Amarr faith means that things are not as clear cut as your would have us believe. After all, if slavery is the only way to unite mankind in your faith why did one of your own emperors release slaves? Or are you of the opinion that your last leader was a heretic? I do hope you take the time to give me a reasoned response Mr Blake. Just glibly tossing out a short quote and expecting everyone to read it the same way you do is no way to be convincing. Regards, State of the Art Bang-Bang.
Ricardo ilMagnifico Minmatar Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.06.14 03:26:00 - [83] Anyone not actively fighting slavery in Providence is aiding the slavers and their allies by contributing to their economy. We will not stand for that and encourage any like minded individuals to join with us in the destruction of it's inhabitants. Burn Providence! Join NKB - Member Corp of Ushra'Khan
Rathar Rhudan	Posted - 2007.06.14 04:58:00 - [84] Edited by: Rathar Rhudan on 14/06/2007 04:58:16
Rutan	Posted - 2007.06.14 05:00:00 - [85] Originally by: Karn Mithralia Location: Deck 47, Private Quarters Wing, Thukker Mix station System: Nakah Region: Derelik A week ago. What the hell? and for this I lose 100M in researched blueprints?!
Parsor Evarkis Minmatar Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.06.14 06:50:00 - [86] Originally by: Rutan Originally by: Karn Mithralia Location: Deck 47, Private Quarters Wing, Thukker Mix station System: Nakah Region: Derelik A week ago. What the hell? and for this I lose 100M in researched blueprints?! No, you lose them for being careless, while I don't know the details of the situation (I was not there, I don't know if anything was said), from the details I can see, you were alone in a Transport containing (by your statement) 100M in reasearched blueprints, in unsecure space, 1 jump from a major battleground. This is pure carelessness for not taking adequate precautions. Add to this your alliance appear to be on friendly terms with IAC, who it is well known we are not on good terms with. Take responsibility for your own stupid risks.
Gaius Kador PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.06.14 09:22:00 - [87] The wheel grinds and grinds, and the chimps are at it again. ----------------------------------------------
Calypso's Wrath Caldari Black Watch Legionnaires	Posted - 2007.06.14 17:16:00 - [88] Location: In your systemz, Camping your beltz System: Classified Region: Providence As I read this announcement on GALNET, a feral grin spreads across my face. FINALLY my brothers can fight without the shackles of 9uy, without the shackles of NRDS. I as a member of BWL, I pledge my continued support of UÆK against CVA and pets. Our roaming gangs will continue to cause terror and paranoia in the minds of the slavers. Attacking weak targets of opportunity, and when able, joining the larger fleets to cause serious damage. No slaver is safeà BWL Diplomats will be in contact to verify blue status with UNITY.
Janu Hull Caldari Order of Z Industries	Posted - 2007.06.14 17:24:00 - [89] Originally by: Calypso's Wrath Location: In your systemz, Camping your beltz System: Classified Region: Providence As I read this announcement on GALNET, a feral grin spreads across my face. FINALLY my brothers can fight without the shackles of 9uy, without the shackles of NRDS. I as a member of BWL, I pledge my continued support of UÆK against CVA and pets. Our roaming gangs will continue to cause terror and paranoia in the minds of the slavers. Attacking weak targets of opportunity, and when able, joining the larger fleets to cause serious damage. No slaver is safeà BWL Diplomats will be in contact to verify blue status with UNITY. Location: In yur systemz, chasin' yur Vagas... System: No place special. Region: Wild guess. Re: Burning Providence. Begin Program "Threat assessment". Quote: Hai2u Can Has STDIO? Seez Calypso's Wrath Has MWD Vagabond? Nowai Visible: "ONOZ, He'z here to pwn!" Yarly Visible: "Can has Interceptorz?" Kthnxbye
Calypso's Wrath Caldari Black Watch Legionnaires	Posted - 2007.06.14 17:30:00 - [90] Edited by: Calypso''s Wrath on 14/06/2007 17:30:40 Originally by: Janu Hull Originally by: Calypso's Wrath Location: In your systemz, Camping your beltz System: Classified Region: Providence As I read this announcement on GALNET, a feral grin spreads across my face. FINALLY my brothers can fight without the shackles of 9uy, without the shackles of NRDS. I as a member of BWL, I pledge my continued support of UÆK against CVA and pets. Our roaming gangs will continue to cause terror and paranoia in the minds of the slavers. Attacking weak targets of opportunity, and when able, joining the larger fleets to cause serious damage. No slaver is safeà BWL Diplomats will be in contact to verify blue status with UNITY. Location: In yur systemz, chasin' yur Vagas... System: No place special. Region: Wild guess. Re: Burning Providence. Begin Program "Threat assessment". Quote: Hai2u Can Has STDIO? Seez Calypso's Wrath Has MWD Vagabond? Nowai Visible: "ONOZ, He'z here to pwn!" Yarly Visible: "Can has Interceptorz?" Kthnxbye (OCC: Wow buddy, wanna troll somewhere else? If you don't know me.. don't assume. I neither fly Vaga's NOR Inties.Edit: Nor deserve to be a target for said trolling. )
Janu Hull Caldari Order of Z Industries	Posted - 2007.06.14 17:45:00 - [91] Its not specifically about you, Calypso. Just a general statement about the typical spacecraft used to cause headaches in the region. If you don't fly them, then you're obviously someone the intelligence network will be concerned about. As a matter of fact, you are someone that's usually worried about. I was simply being lighthearted about the matter. Don't take it personally.
Eveliddia Amarr The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.14 18:41:00 - [92] Calypso = Arazu "When the going gets tough, the tough stay cloaked"
Calypso's Wrath Caldari Black Watch Legionnaires	Posted - 2007.06.14 18:57:00 - [93] Originally by: Eveliddia Calypso = Arazu "When the going gets tough, the tough stay cloaked" BAH Eveliddia!
Eveliddia Amarr The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.14 19:21:00 - [94] Originally by: Calypso's Wrath Originally by: Eveliddia Calypso = Arazu "When the going gets tough, the tough stay cloaked" BAH Eveliddia! And as you all well know, comming from me that is not an insult.
Sapphrine The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.06.15 00:25:00 - [95] Edited by: Sapphrine on 15/06/2007 00:24:39 Originally by: Eveliddia Calypso = Arazu "When the going gets tough, the tough stay cloaked" When the fleets get shooting, the FC's stay cloaked? :P Glad to see U'K opening up a free-fire zone. To all those bemoaning U'K killing potential neutrals: In an ideological battle where people are speaking in moral absolutes there is rarely any middle ground to be had. Ignorance is not a shield, nor is avoidance a valid excuse. U'K have clearly stated that Providence is occupied territory and that Catch is also covered by their current policy. U'K have lost control of their space and yes i'm sure it is a bitter pill to swallow... However, they are regrouping and doing what any time honoured force does when removed from their strongholds. They've fled to the hills and are now operating guerilla warfare, striking the enemies supply lines, burning the fields, killing the weak defenders etc. etc. If you don't like, sod off and find a new home. If you're still willing to float around in CVA occupied Providence then accept that you've had your warning and take appropriate measures. Just as a prelude, Janu Hull, no i don't care, find another thread to troll as calypso said. You've already clearly shown you have little to no understanding about the rich history of this conflict. Finally, U'K may well not have 'dessert' power, it does however have far more than one Mentat at its disposal and I assure you that Vaga-gangs are remarkably similar in effect to dessert power :P I think the use of a certain DD equates well to the use of house atomics also :) edit for accuracy, at some point i'll get one right first time!
Janu Hull Caldari Order of Z Industries	Posted - 2007.06.15 02:02:00 - [96] Originally by: Sapphrine Just as a prelude, Janu Hull, no i don't care, find another thread to troll as calypso said. You've already clearly shown you have little to no understanding about the rich history of this conflict. The only thing rich around here is the rhetoric. Originally by: Sapphrine Finally, U'K may well not have 'dessert' power, it does however have far more than one Mentat at its disposal and I assure you that Vaga-gangs are remarkably similar in effect to dessert power :P I think the use of a certain DD equates well to the use of house atomics also :) Vagabonds are a form of desert power, they desert the battlefield faster than anything in its class.
Jivvin Thallak	Posted - 2007.06.15 02:47:00 - [97] Edited by: Jivvin Thallak on 15/06/2007 02:46:28 The sebiestory pauses as he repeats the message to himself. S'pose I get to **** me some Amarr hussies again. He reaches into his jacket and removes a paper-tube of herb, a blunt one might say, and lights her up, taking a mighty hit Good times fer all, fast, firey, bloody, oh and *****... must remember the ***** part...
Verone Gallente Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.06.15 11:47:00 - [98] Interesting... >>> THE BEAUTY OF NEW EDEN <<<
Calypso's Wrath Caldari Black Watch Legionnaires	Posted - 2007.06.15 14:45:00 - [99] Heh Sapph, let him troll turns him into yet another target. Neesa + friends got Janu's nice tech 2 Raven in DP yesterday. He can consider himself still a target.
Zaglis Gallente Ponymen of Perdition Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.06.15 16:17:00 - [100] Many a ship will burn in the coming months, those that wish to trade with evil must pay a price afterall...
Janu Hull Caldari Order of Z Industries	Posted - 2007.06.15 16:55:00 - [101] Originally by: Calypso's Wrath Heh Sapph, let him troll turns him into yet another target. Neesa + friends got Janu's nice tech 2 Raven in DP yesterday. He can consider himself still a target. Einherjar Rising has always been a great challenge, even before I said a word on Galnet. They're a pro unit with a lot of discipline and coordination. Half the fun of dragging out battles against them is watching what they do and how they work together, and what they use to attack my ships. They're a lot more enjoyable to face off against than the usual roving herd of escape artist Vagabonds or the current nonsense with Burn Eden's cloaked Raven roost. Whether or not it has anything to do with what I say here or not, I really do look forward to encountering them again. They're the only decent entertainment for what's otherwise a rather boring chore of culling the Sansha herd.
Yakov Draken Minmatar The Newb Patrol Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.06.16 08:22:00 - [102] It is with great pleasure I read of my brethrens decisive statement - there is no room for half measures in this struggle. -NUB- offered our support to Ushra Khan before Unity fell but sadly it was too late. We heard Unity was about to fall and then no more. Once again we offer what suppport we can. At present we are on "The Last Chance Road Trip" to Fountain to say goodbye to Xelas but it won't take long to get a base established near Providence. Death to the Slavers! Yarrr!
Maggot Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.06.16 09:51:00 - [103] See you soon Yakov, make sure we talk before you arrive.
Vendrin Caldari APEX Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.06.16 10:59:00 - [104] Edited by: Vendrin on 16/06/2007 10:58:32 A sad day. Here is hoping the Electus Matari and other organizations will not fall prey to the same baser instincts, I had hoped on one day doing business with the Ushra'Khan, but what is the point when you have become as bad as the Blood Raiders, or any other pirate organization? _____________________________________ APEX Conglomerate is recruiting. Join channel APEXCOM for information!
KhanJohn Amarr Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.06.18 07:38:00 - [105] Partisan resistance or Freedom fighters as known in modern times is the term used to describe quasi-military individual and small-group covert activities. The practice is common in situations where free people are occupied by a victorious military force. Unable to retaliate with equal force, patriotic citizens often band together secretly to fight their oppressor. On the other hand, collaborators (quislings¦), were citizens of an occupied area/planet who, out of fear or resentment of their own government, cooperate with the enemy. Partisan resistance movements have existed long before recorded history and have now become legend... i also dug this up from some old texts...apologies but some of the translation is missing... One of the more famous groups in a war long ago... was the *** Resistance. The Free * Forces were fighters who decided to go on fighting against *** after the Fall of * and ** occupation, and to fight against collaborators. The * resistance fighters ambushed ** units, abducted and killed ** army officers, obliterated bridges, wrecked trains to halt enemy supply lines and gave *** bombers directions to such **** targets as troop trains, Boats and Weapon storage. Matari Freedom Now!!! Dont think i can better explain why we are not pirates again but Freedom fighters... People ask me what i am if i am not Amarran - i am a free "Amarri" all exiled amarrans who do not believe the tainted prophets are!
MirrorGod	Posted - 2007.06.19 21:01:00 - [106] Burn it down. If I find my self in Providence it's good to know that there will be more loyalist and thereof allied trading in the area. UK pilots I will be hunting CVA there, but unfortunately I am unable to donate the corpses to you, seeing that I have my own personal collection to add to. Good hunting UK. snip your sig is too large. Maximum sig size is 24,000 bytes, your current sig is 40,174 bytes - Karass Sayfo
Occasus Vim Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.06.19 23:17:00 - [107] Originally by: MirrorGod Burn it down. If I find my self in Providence it's good to know that there will be more loyalist and thereof allied trading in the area. UK pilots I will be hunting CVA there, but unfortunately I am unable to donate the corpses to you, seeing that I have my own personal collection to add to. Good hunting UK. Commendable, if true. Maybe some photographs would suffice in your case. Extra credit for humiliating poses.
zoolkhan Minmatar	Posted - 2007.06.21 17:40:00 - [108] Edited by: zoolkhan on 21/06/2007 17:39:37 Type: Wolf Class Assault Frigate ID: <only a red fist visible, rank, official fleet ID and other identifiers missing> Coordinates: 9uy 4b-jump gate the pilot scratched his chin and swapped the frequency from the public civillian chatter to some of the lesser known old channels only known by few diplomats, old corpmates and close friends... "...damn, that was like cb-radio in jita" he complains to himself. WARNING LOCK! WARNING LOCK! zoolkhan smiled , his old wingmen were still on their toes. "This is zoolkhan, if you think i am here to support slavers then fire at will!" he said. U'K recruit! - Admiral retired, out of service - ..we come for our people..
Ostos Marek Delictum 23216	Posted - 2007.06.25 18:56:00 - [109] Edited by: Ostos Marek on 25/06/2007 18:55:14 Originally by: Occasus Vim Originally by: MirrorGod Burn it down. If I find my self in Providence it's good to know that there will be more loyalist and thereof allied trading in the area. UK pilots I will be hunting CVA there, but unfortunately I am unable to donate the corpses to you, seeing that I have my own personal collection to add to. Good hunting UK. Commendable, if true. Maybe some photographs would suffice in your case. Extra credit for humiliating poses. Now Occasus, I had hoped you would not submit to the vulgar practices against PoW's that many take part in. I look forward to possibly continuing our ongoing discussion in the near future. We are recruiting!
Chishan Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.06.25 22:36:00 - [110] Originally by: Ostos Marek Edited by: Ostos Marek on 25/06/2007 18:55:14 Originally by: Occasus Vim Originally by: MirrorGod Burn it down. If I find my self in Providence it's good to know that there will be more loyalist and thereof allied trading in the area. UK pilots I will be hunting CVA there, but unfortunately I am unable to donate the corpses to you, seeing that I have my own personal collection to add to. Good hunting UK. Commendable, if true. Maybe some photographs would suffice in your case. Extra credit for humiliating poses. Now Occasus, I had hoped you would not submit to the vulgar practices against PoW's that many take part in. I look forward to possibly continuing our ongoing discussion in the near future. You can't really call a corpse a prisoner, can you?
Gaven Lok'ri Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.06.26 14:01:00 - [111] Originally by: Vendrin Edited by: Vendrin on 16/06/2007 10:58:32 I had hoped on one day doing business with the Ushra'Khan Noted. Deus Vult! PIE Website Public Channel: 'PIE Public'
Zeminy Minmatar Furian Alive	Posted - 2007.06.26 18:32:00 - [112] Zeminy silenced her galNet receiver and went back to enjoying the silence of space. Talk is cheap she though. I'll let my thunderous explosions from my 1400mm Artillery do all my talking for me. Furian Alive has arrived on the battlefield let the burning begin. ****Now recruiting minmatar supporters for the cause.****
Drakus Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.06.27 03:37:00 - [113] Edited by: Drakus on 27/06/2007 03:38:52 06/27 - Nakah - Thukker Mix Station "I don't care HOW unusual it is! Will it work!?" Drakus asks the mechanic in charge of fitting his new Sabre class Interdictor. "Well... I don't know yet, If we change this and add that..." The mechanic kept talking but Drakus wasn't fully paying attention. No doubt later he would be able to recal the important details, but for right now that didn't matter. He was home. It'd been a few weeks sense he had returned to FU2 and the UK. It was much more different then when he was there before. There was alot of talk about P.O.S.'s, outposts, industrial things. Things that didn't intrest Drakus that much. Its no wonder that things felt different though. The last time he flew under the UK banner, they had 2 station, and many allies in the area. When he returned, they had none, and the "allies" were no longer such. Drakus chuckles to himself Allies, not that he would ever have really called many of them such. IO, were useful sometimes, but he had never really forgiven them for killing a friend of his in a badger. He was just going into KBP to do Drakus a favor, and he was killed for it. His friend wasn't happy about that, it took many rounds of spirits and many dances from the dancers to mend that fence. The others though, they were nothing to him. No, thats not quiet right. If they were nothing, he wouldn't care about them. They were worse then nothing. They were oppertunists, and colaberators. The scum of the scum. Atleast CVA and there friends had priciples. Horrible, dispicable ideals, but they had some atleast. Drakus was upset at the loss of Unity station. He had put alot of his own Isk into the constuction of that station... But there was an upside. It gave him targets. Lots of them. CVA may not think that providence is burning. But that is because they are on the wrong side of the hill. They don't see the daily carnage that is being wroght. They don't see the many billions of isk that is being destroyed in providence. But they will. One day, they will awake, and they will see that the flames are no longer on the other side of the hill. They will see that it is on their doorstep. And that the flames are moving faster then anything they have seen before. "... So if you get me those parts, I am sure that we'll be able to get that ship up and running for ya in no time, Sir" "Good man, I'll be in my quarters." "Oh, and sir? Welcome back."
cptgone	Posted - 2007.06.28 08:37:00 - [114] Originally by: Aria Jenneth Ushra'Khan, for a long time I've admired you as principled freedom fighters, despite your apostacy against the Republic government. You maintained principled stances, even through the bloodshed, that drew attention to your cause as one easy as worthy as that of CVA-- moreso, because CVA stands for Amarrian hegemony +1 Sad news. Sounds like Robin Hood stealing candy from kids. U'K: all your rhetorics don't take away the fact you'll be hurting noobs and neutrals, many of which sympathise with your cause. I used to feel bad about not having been able to help U'K at Unity, i used to think about joining 'em one day, now i'm glad i didn't. Originally by: Acron Ishtal I can't speak for everyone in Providence, of course, but the CVA has been operating NRDS very successfully for years now. Sure it's a minor headache Looks like CVA has been more succesful at the whole freedom fighting thing
Telemicus Thrace Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.06.28 11:18:00 - [115] Originally by: cptgone U'K: all your rhetorics don't take away the fact you'll be hurting noobs and neutrals, many of which sympathise with your cause. Anyone profiting from trade with or shelter by the CVA are profiting from the enslavement of my people. They are not neutrals. If you think those pilots with a four day old pod licence out in null sec really are 'noobs' then you have to be one of the more gullible slaver pets I have met. Anyone who claims to sympathise with our cause can prove it with supplies or the heads of slavers. At the very least they can cease to profit from slavery and stay out of the free fire zone. >> RECRUITING <<
Mangold Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.06.28 13:07:00 - [116] Originally by: cptgone Sad news. Sounds like Robin Hood stealing candy from kids. U'K: all your rhetorics don't take away the fact you'll be hurting noobs and neutrals, many of which sympathise with your cause. If you do you wont have any trouble getting the slaver's corpses. If you do have trouble you're nothing more than a CVA pawn. Originally by: cptgone I used to feel bad about not having been able to help U'K at Unity, i used to think about joining 'em one day, now i'm glad i didn't. So, basically, you watched and did nothing and now you're judging us? Pfft....
Darius Shakor Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.06.28 13:09:00 - [117] Originally by: cptgone Originally by: Acron Ishtal I can't speak for everyone in Providence, of course, but the CVA has been operating NRDS very successfully for years now. Sure it's a minor headache Looks like CVA has been more succesful at the whole freedom fighting thing You can walk past a snake a hundred times before it bites you. Don't be fooled by their open arms and smiling faces concealed beneath their hooded robes. You will see the same thing on the receptionist's faces in their slave eduction facilities. Just behind the door marked 'Staff Only' they are injecting neurotoxins or transcranial microprocessors into human beings to ready them for a life time of forced servitude and religious brainwashing. Some fight for freedom... ------ Shakor Clan Information Portal
KhanJohn Amarr Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.06.28 14:00:00 - [118] ill post again since some people cnat read and better explain the situation Partisan resistance or Freedom fighters as known in modern times is the term used to describe quasi-military individual and small-group covert activities. The practice is common in situations where free people are occupied by a victorious military force. Unable to retaliate with equal force, patriotic citizens often band together secretly to fight their oppressor. On the other hand, collaborators (quislings¦), were citizens of an occupied area/planet who, out of fear or resentment of their own government, cooperate with the enemy. Partisan resistance movements have existed long before recorded history and have now become legend... CVA's objective in Providence is to claim it for the Ammarian empire.... UK's objective was to stop CVA claiming it for the empire.... UK and CVA both allowed free travel and did not shoot neutrals in their own space... This policy led to the demise of the underpowered outfinanced freedom fighter movement.... so called neutrals did not rally to help the UK defend... UK lost its outpost to CVA, CVA now control providence... Providence declared CVA territory by CVA.... Because its seen as CVA space and CVA are empire paramiltarys and openly endorce the ways of Amarr and Slavery...(though some say they dont but they do support Amarr thus supporting slavery) any neutral supporting or tradeing in CVA space is now labelled as a collaborator you support the CVA and are unwilling to help the UK reclaim providence for the free people of the Galaxy. Thus by profiting in CVA space whether you commit slavery or not your are supporting the ideals of the CVA by operating in their space and also tradeing in their outposts.... its quite simple we are freedom fighters....the free lands were taken by an overhwelimg military force...we are now organising guerilla warfare. if you wish to support us in providence then please contact an Ushrakhan diplomat....otherwise stay the hell out or admit you support the CVA either way...providence burns People ask me what i am if i am not Amarran - i am a free "Amarri" all exiled amarrans who do not believe the tainted prophets are!
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.06.28 14:16:00 - [119] KhanJohn, by that reasoning, anyone trading in the Domain region is also a supporter of slavery. Will your policy extend to 0.1 to 0.4 parts of the Empire as well as 0.0 Providence? Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Darius Shakor Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.06.28 14:57:00 - [120] Rodj, I think the question we should answer your question with is 'When hasn't it?' Of course, the 'blinded justice' methodology of CONCORD as well as the potential interference from the Amarr Navy means we have to be somewhat selective about when, where and how we work against that. It is called 'smart targeting'. In Providence and Catch there is no such restriction except that which the CVA and their supporters, of which the Amarr Navy seem to be lacking in an official capacity, are capable of enforcing. ------ Shakor Clan Information Portal
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.06.28 15:03:00 - [121] Originally by: Darius Shakor Rodj, I think the question we should answer your question with is 'When hasn't it?' Of course, the 'blinded justice' methodology of CONCORD as well as the potential interference from the Amarr Navy means we have to be somewhat selective about when, where and how we work against that. It is called 'smart targeting'. In Providence and Catch there is no such restriction except that which the CVA and their supporters, of which the Amarr Navy seem to be lacking in an official capacity, are capable of enforcing. So let's get this straight - you assume that everyone you meet in low-sec Amarrian space is a supporter of the Empire unless they have previously contacted you and convinced you otherwise? Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Darius Shakor Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.06.28 15:10:00 - [122] Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: Darius Shakor Rodj, I think the question we should answer your question with is 'When hasn't it?' Of course, the 'blinded justice' methodology of CONCORD as well as the potential interference from the Amarr Navy means we have to be somewhat selective about when, where and how we work against that. It is called 'smart targeting'. In Providence and Catch there is no such restriction except that which the CVA and their supporters, of which the Amarr Navy seem to be lacking in an official capacity, are capable of enforcing. So let's get this straight - you assume that everyone you meet in low-sec Amarrian space is a supporter of the Empire unless they have previously contacted you and convinced you otherwise? Do I even need to explain my alliance's policy on each and every person we meed in New Eden to a slaver? I don't think so. Watch and learn Rodj. The world is not so black and white as you believe it to be. ------ Shakor Clan Information Portal
Eveliddia Amarr The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.29 02:10:00 - [123] Originally by: Darius Shakor Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: Darius Shakor Rodj, I think the question we should answer your question with is 'When hasn't it?' Of course, the 'blinded justice' methodology of CONCORD as well as the potential interference from the Amarr Navy means we have to be somewhat selective about when, where and how we work against that. It is called 'smart targeting'. In Providence and Catch there is no such restriction except that which the CVA and their supporters, of which the Amarr Navy seem to be lacking in an official capacity, are capable of enforcing. So let's get this straight - you assume that everyone you meet in low-sec Amarrian space is a supporter of the Empire unless they have previously contacted you and convinced you otherwise? Do I even need to explain my alliance's policy on each and every person we meed in New Eden to a slaver? I don't think so. Watch and learn Rodj. The world is not so black and white as you believe it to be. No, but I would like to hear your opinion on the difference between a "PET" and a Slave.
Caillech Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.06.29 05:01:00 - [124] Edited by: Caillech on 29/06/2007 05:00:16 I see the tapeworms are up to their usual oratorial writhings, flopping and squirming as they suck the life from hard-working citizens throughout the galaxy and grow fat on the labor of others. They try to mumble through clever statements, but their feeding, gaping maws are too choked with the blood and waste matter of the galaxy to speak plainly. We are here to kill you and your kind and your carriers, parasites. We will cut away flesh to free the universe of your grasping jaws so that it may pass you like a stool into the commode of eternity, where you can join your god in the sewer of eternity to fester and rot like the useless waste you and your poisonous religion are. We see and know what you are, and we are the cure. We will stop at nothing to save the free people of the universe.
Darius Shakor Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.06.29 10:24:00 - [125] Edited by: Darius Shakor on 29/06/2007 10:25:05 Originally by: Eveliddia No, but I would like to hear your opinion on the difference between a "PET" and a Slave. I owe your alliance my opinions least of all. ------ Shakor Clan Information Portal
Eveliddia Amarr The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.29 15:47:00 - [126] Originally by: Darius Shakor Edited by: Darius Shakor on 29/06/2007 10:25:05 Originally by: Eveliddia No, but I would like to hear your opinion on the difference between a "PET" and a Slave. I owe your alliance my opinions least of all. *Eveliddia smiles A fitting answer.
Redwolf Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.01 03:29:00 - [127] Pretenders. If providence burns, it is not at the hands of Ushra'Khan. We await your return from E-PROS and surrounds. ---- It's great being Amarr, ain't it?
Darius Shakor Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.07.01 10:49:00 - [128] Originally by: Redwolf Pretenders. If providence burns, it is not at the hands of Ushra'Khan. We await your return from E-PROS and surrounds. I susspect the CVA is having problems policing so much space now. Otherwise your own presence around our former home would be high enough to realise that we are in face running regular raids there. Shame there is virtually nothing to shoot. The coin has two sides slaver. ------ Shakor Clan Information Portal
Vantras Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.01 14:28:00 - [129] Edited by: Vantras on 01/07/2007 14:26:54 As i read this thread I am reminded of an ancient phrase when our ancestors had yet to take to the heavens...as i recall it was: "All hat-no cattle" I have yet to see even a smoldering ember in Providence never mind a fire. An occasional pirate squad of 10 intys/recons with two cloaking terrorists in it doesnt quite add up to a fire brigade. Keep trying lads...and perhaps go looking for some cattle-the hat looks just fine
Forty Three Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.07.02 09:42:00 - [130] Originally by: Redwolf Pretenders. If providence burns, it is not at the hands of Ushra'Khan. We await your return from E-PROS and surrounds. I've been here the whole time, slaver... Perhaps you'd like to ask some of your subordinates? you know, the people that used to fly all those burning casks that are scattered around Providence... Originally by: Vantras As i read this thread I am reminded of an ancient phrase when our ancestors had yet to take to the heavens...as i recall it was: "All hat-no cattle" I have yet to see even a smoldering ember in Providence never mind a fire. An occasional pirate squad of 10 intys/recons with two cloaking terrorists in it doesnt quite add up to a fire brigade. Keep trying lads...and perhaps go looking for some cattle-the hat looks just fine Oh please, go back to your hole you traitor. I haven't seen you looking after your dear space either, have you been looking out the windows of your dear stations? providence is burning and it will burn more, that I can assure you. oh, and it's really amusing how you keep trying to discredit our efforts by saying it's only our allies. We fly 'together' with our allies. That's why we're there for each other ----------------------------------------------- UNITY!!!
Solusar Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.02 11:24:00 - [131] It would seem that there is indeed the remains of smoldering hulls in Providence this morning.
Telemicus Thrace Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.07.02 11:28:00 - [132] Originally by: Solusar It would seem that there is indeed the remains of smoldering hulls in Providence this morning. Yes, S3verence do fight well. Perhaps you should come out of you starbase shields and join them some time. >> RECRUITING <<
Octavinus Augustus Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.02 13:30:00 - [133] Edited by: Octavinus Augustus on 02/07/2007 13:29:53 Edited by: Octavinus Augustus on 02/07/2007 13:29:14 I was up 'north' of Deliverance Reclaimed yesterday when the call came in over our voice coms: 43 rifters in G-5EN2. Consequently I can affirm that our enemies are indeed active at least in the northern parts of Providence. PS. The intel was slightly off, as it turned out to be Forty Three in a rifter. Motto: Vae Victis - Woe to the vanquished.
Vantras Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.02 14:19:00 - [134] Brother Solusar you are quite right-the smell of those burning hulks drifted all the way to my new home in Deliverance Reclaimed! We had the slaves purifying the air w/ incense all evening.
Vantras Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.02 14:23:00 - [135] Forty Three Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan oh, and it's really amusing how you keep trying to discredit our efforts by saying it's only our allies. We fly 'together' with our allies. That's why we're there for each other Telimicus I am reminded of the words of an eloquent terrorist as it relates to flying with allies. I have quoted them for you. Do you disagree? The complaints, many as they are, really would benefit from some uniformity. Amarr Victor!
Forty Three Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.07.02 14:34:00 - [136] Originally by: Octavinus Augustus Edited by: Octavinus Augustus on 02/07/2007 13:29:53 Edited by: Octavinus Augustus on 02/07/2007 13:29:14 I was up 'north' of Deliverance Reclaimed yesterday when the call came in over our voice coms: 43 rifters in G-5EN2. Consequently I can affirm that our enemies are indeed active at least in the northern parts of Providence. PS. The intel was slightly off, as it turned out to be Forty Three in a rifter. dammit, now all my anti-t1 frig campaigning is ruined! >=( ((not trying to smack or anything, your post really made me laugh thanks for that )) ----------------------------------------------- UNITY!!!
Solusar Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.02 14:45:00 - [137] Originally by: Telemicus Thrace Originally by: Solusar It would seem that there is indeed the remains of smoldering hulls in Providence this morning. Yes, S3verence do fight well. Perhaps you should come out of you starbase shields and join them some time. Mr Thrace I just ran some queries of our combat databases along with those that are also operating in the area that you claim to be "burning". Your last involvement in the destruction of a vessel in Providence seems to be over 7 weeks ago and since then then only reported sightings of you have been piloting mammoth class industrial vessels moving away from the area you claim to be "burning". Perhaps leave the comments to those that are taking part in this campaign of yours rather than coming up with blind and foolish lies about CVA hiding within "starbase shields" as you put it.
Kabajashi San Minmatar	Posted - 2007.07.02 15:15:00 - [138] You better check your databases again or at least accept the incapability of showing the different states of participating in a ship kill. Providence is not burning? Maybe in your space stations it is not. Since UK gave up policing the area all kinds of entities have invaded the area and put havoc on bypassers and inhabitants alike. Nowadays if you come to this area all you get is gate camps and ratter hunters. It was a war zone in the past with clear defined enemies on both sides and neuts passing by unharmed. You knew who was red and who was blue. Today it is a chaos with everyone shooting at everyone and the vultures collecting the loot. CVA is incapable of bringing peace to this region. They are incapable of protecting their allies or the neutral inhabitants of this region. This is the golden future under Amarr rule you were telling everyone? For me it looks more like you are too weak to even drive off the flies that come to feast on the bodys. Providence once was a place worth living. Now that UK left, it is an unfriendly place filled with scum from all over the universe. You have trampled down our seed of prosperity and stability and all you have now is dry land. Be happy with it, I don't want it anymore.
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.02 16:55:00 - [139] Originally by: Kabajashi San CVA is incapable of bringing peace to this region. They are incapable of protecting their allies or the neutral inhabitants of this region. We've been told that for years. For whatever reason, though, the population of neutrals operating safely in Providence continues to grow. Time will tell if we are capable of protecting our new holdings, but initial indicators are nicely optimistic.
Reash Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.02 17:00:00 - [140] Originally by: Kabajashi San You have trampled down our seed of prosperity and stability and all you have now is dry land. Be happy with it, I don't want it anymore. Terrorism does not bring stability, it causes chaos, any chaos still left in the area is simply the remains of Ushra'khans occupation, in time, it will be neutralised. ----------------------- Auctoritan Syndicate Director
VD ThatsNotRight Various Disease	Posted - 2007.07.03 17:13:00 - [141] Originally by: Kabajashi San Now that UK left,it is an unfriendly place filled with scum from all over the universe Very much so. Though it was peaceful region until UK invited their new "friends" down to the region. And even while they were based here,they had little or no control over the slaughter their allies inflicted on providences citizens. UK invited the scum in,then they became one with it!
Kabajashi San Minmatar	Posted - 2007.07.03 18:16:00 - [142] It's not our allies I speak about. Have you been to Providence recently? Half of the region is stone dead, the other half is constantly stirred up by random punks just looking for easy prey. Shame.
The Mute Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.07.03 18:28:00 - [143] There is a simple solution. CVA and their allies renounce slavery and start working towards that same goal within the Amarr empire. Then we can all get along and make providence a peacful, happy place for all to live in harmony. --------------------------------------------------
Vantras Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.03 18:32:00 - [144] Edited by: Vantras on 03/07/2007 18:33:30 Edited by: Vantras on 03/07/2007 18:33:04 Interesting...thats not the Providence I patrol each evening. I know that our regional channel now peaks at over 400 when it used to hold steady in the mid 150's. I know that all four outposts that CVA owns are busy, with active markets, busy factories, sold out office space. I know that mining ops continue, plex's are being completed, haulers ply the travel routes. I know that various friendly entities patrol and camp the choke points into and out of the system and slaughter pirates at will. Certainly there are occasional gangs of 3-10 recon/inty/hac squads that pass through and stir up the locals. There has always been and always will be. There is no question that remenants of the UK "defense of unity" pirate coaliton still exist-UK, BWL, BUM-all pirate in small gangs in the area. But thats just a fact of life in 0.0. But in terms of Providence Burning? Surely a jest! Its hard to start a fire with nano/cloaking/inty gangs. Stir up some trouble-certainly--make the system inhospitable for residence, commerce and trade-not even close. I know its important to those whose vision for Providence has come up short to think of the region as somehow less now that youre gone-but alas-this simply isnt what we see in space every day. The mandate of Project Deliverance marches on. Providence will be reclaimed! Amarr Victor!
Thri Khumatari Holdings Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.07.03 19:34:00 - [145] I don't know what dreamworld you live in Vantras. Getting into and out of providence is hazardous at minimum. No suprise there. Thriving markets? Hardly, there are barely even ships for sale in the northern two outposts, much less proper fittings and ammo supplies. With a refinery and manufacturing outpost so close to each other, you'd think there would be some resemblance of a market, but that is simply not true. Every day our warriors and allies rejoice at the combat vessels and industrial vessels destroyed. They are not without there own losses of course, but the picture is not as perfect as you try to paint it.
Vantras Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.03 19:49:00 - [146] Thri, I understand why its important for you to believe that. I understand how closely your indentity is tied to Providence somehow being worse now that you pirate there rather then settle there. However, The intergal doesnt make it so. Amarr Victor!
Drakus Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.07.03 19:58:00 - [147] ... So... Providence is not burning? and yet one of your major allies just dissolved? Ushra kahn (just our stats alone) have inflicted over 17billon isk worth of damages over the last 25 days. Sure, we have taken losses as well, but anyone claiming that 17billion isk is not a big deal is either a lier, stupid, or rich byond my wildest dreams. So in closing, Vantras, Get your head outta your ass, your foot outta your mouth, and leave the ramblings to your superiors. They are much better at spewing lies then you ever will be.
Mangold Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.07.03 22:31:00 - [148] Originally by: Garreck Originally by: Kabajashi San CVA is incapable of bringing peace to this region. They are incapable of protecting their allies or the neutral inhabitants of this region. We've been told that for years. For whatever reason, though, the population of neutrals operating safely in Providence continues to grow. And so is the pile of loot and corpses in my hangar. Safely? HAHAHAHAHAHA
Karn Mithralia Minmatar Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.07.03 23:47:00 - [149] Edited by: Karn Mithralia on 03/07/2007 23:50:10 Once CVA were warriors of honor, now they are riddled with arrogant gloating morons. Once I enjoyed the respectful banter of enemies, now I can barely be bothered tuning in to read your self-assured dribble. Once I was proud to risk death on the end of your lasers, now I loathe it as I know that very soon the gloating cries of victorious slavers will be broadcast wide on system comms. I've fought pirates with more sense of honor and a tighter grip on their lips. It is said in my tribe that to find honor in victory you respect the vanquished, obviously that is not the CVA way. While I'm certain Telemicus is capable of responding for himself I'll do so for him anyway as I hate to see a brother smeared: Solusar, your database records are obviously lacking. I count 10 kills on Thrace's records this last week. (( This is seriously low grade crap. Veiled references to killboards, which we all know never reflect each other? Did it occur to you that a) Telemicus may operate in a completely different timezone to you and b) that our burning providence campaign is not focused on your blobs? )) ----------------------------------------- Now recruiting.
Redwolf Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.04 03:47:00 - [150] Karn, the irony of your transmission escapes you, doesn't it? ---- It's great being Amarr, ain't it?
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.04 04:45:00 - [151] Originally by: Drakus So in closing, Vantras, Get your head outta your ass, your foot outta your mouth, and leave the ramblings to your superiors. They are much better at spewing lies then you ever will be. Careful what you wish for, Slave-kin. As Vantras' CEO, I'd be happy to post his kill stats, count the recent corpses in AMDEF hangars, and estimate values of isk he has cost our enemies based on current market values...I mean, since that seems to be the direction this is all taking...
KhanJohn Amarr Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.07.04 09:47:00 - [152] Then learn to control your members better Garreck, the CVA are acting like fools, be ignorant, downplay the loss's it will not change the fact that everyday many many people fall upon the guns of the many anti CVA groups patrolling space and while you all hold up in Ziriert, Mamet and Misaba the outer systems like 9UY in providence burn... Groups like Shrot, Lonestar and many others camp the entrances into providence, youve conquered and control nothing while you hide up at your little R3 entrance pocket... or a few of your braver pilots harass our forces in Assah on a very irregular basis these days i see more pirates and neutrals in providence than CVA patrols... Grow fat and die in your pocket, providence does burn...we know this...cloak and daggers as always from the CVA cloaks and daggers... People ask me what i am if i am not Amarran - i am a free "Amarri" all exiled amarrans who do not believe the tainted prophets are!
Equinox Daedalus Caldari The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.04 10:21:00 - [153] One note. Civiliation was not built in a day. Is the market much worse than when uk were there at current? Yes. Are less ppl living in northing prodence at current now that Uk have been beaten back to Assah? Yes. Was Northern Providnce riddled with pirates while UK was around? Yes. In 6 months to a year, come back and see what it looks like. See what has changed. If you are right, then so be it. While we try to emulate the true path and light that the amarrian empire and the providence mandate that pushes us, we are in fact, not gods. We are severants of the empire. If we could snap our fingers and have all you dogs turned into obedient loyal slaves to the empire, no doubt we would. We can only try our best, solider on, and one day, all of providence shall be bathed in the holy light that is the amarrian empire. Your actions will not stop us. dedication to the light, truth, and honor guide us. We are CVA. The Legion of Spoon : Upon wings of wax I fly, never to close to the sun
Telemicus Thrace Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.07.04 11:45:00 - [154] Originally by: Karn Mithralia Edited by: Karn Mithralia on 03/07/2007 23:50:10 Once CVA were warriors of honor, now they are riddled with arrogant gloating morons. Once I enjoyed the respectful banter of enemies, now I can barely be bothered tuning in to read your self-assured dribble. Once I was proud to risk death on the end of your lasers, now I loathe it as I know that very soon the gloating cries of victorious slavers will be broadcast wide on system comms. I've fought pirates with more sense of honor and a tighter grip on their lips. It is said in my tribe that to find honor in victory you respect the vanquished, obviously that is not the CVA way. While I'm certain Telemicus is capable of responding for himself I'll do so for him anyway as I hate to see a brother smeared: Solusar, your database records are obviously lacking. I count 10 kills on Thrace's records this last week. (( This is seriously low grade crap. Veiled references to killboards, which we all know never reflect each other? Did it occur to you that a) Telemicus may operate in a completely different timezone to you and b) that our burning providence campaign is not focused on your blobs? )) Well said Brother. So now the CVA resort to lying about my kill ratio, pathetic. No, I do not operate in the same planetary rotation as Solusar, I know it's hard for the small minded to grasp that fact. The CVA that are around are routinely hiding in their starbases until your allies can bring a fleet to bear. Probably why I get to kill so many more of them than I do CVA. I wonder what it feels like to be used as a slavers meat shield. Well Solusar, you know what you can do now. If not ask Hardin, I have made my opinion quite clear to him on his most recent smear attempts. Try to show us some of that mythical Amarrian dignity. At least in victory as you always failed to do so in defeat. >> RECRUITING <<
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.04 11:53:00 - [155] I simply can't agree with the assessment, KhanJohn. Obviously our lead combat pilots don't either, hence the responses here. It is Ushra'Khan who has recently lost capital ships in Providence, not the CVA...and while the one-sided nature of that particular engagement was surely a sore-point for many of your best warriors, the capacity of CVA and CVA allies to better deploy assets within Providence to deal with a potent threat gives lie to the notion that we have "no control." In the interest of objectivity and in deference to Ushra'Khan's warrior mentality, I'll certainly not try to argue that we have "total control," but I still maintain that current strategic trends look positive. It took CVA a decent amount of time to "civilize" the Domain entrance to Providence, it'll surely take us a decent amount of time to civilize our recent gains. I'm more than happy to leave the fight in space rather than flash one-sided statistics. Results garnered by our best pilots hardly give a fair overall picture, and the same is true of the best of our enemies.
Vantras Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.04 12:27:00 - [156] Ushra Khan is barely a footnote to the story being written in Providence. All the forum posts, complaining, whining, and accusations wont change that simple fact. You can fabricate all the "make believe" stories you want about kills, deaths, whats burning and whats not. The facts are that if more then 3 or 4 UK's are seen together its a rare thing. You are, at best, a small portion of the remaining pirates that we are tasked with eradicating. Painful truth for a once proud alliance but the facts nonetheless. I will enjoy listening to the plaintive screams of a dying alliance here on these forums..I will continue to look in vain for brave Ushra Khan pilots in space. Amarr Victor!
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.04 12:33:00 - [157] facepalm Let's bow out of this one, Vantras. No progress to be made...and we have much more constru-errr DEstructive ways to utilize our time.
Vantras Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.04 13:24:00 - [158] Rgr.that boss! Closing Intergal and re-focusing on "putting out fires" <winks> Amarr Victor
Gegi Wau Minmatar Liberty Labs	Posted - 2007.07.04 13:57:00 - [159] Originally by: Vantras Ushra Khan is barely a footnote to the story being written in Providence. All the forum posts, complaining, whining, and accusations wont change that simple fact. You can fabricate all the "make believe" stories you want about kills, deaths, whats burning and whats not. The facts are that if more then 3 or 4 UK's are seen together its a rare thing. You are, at best, a small portion of the remaining pirates that we are tasked with eradicating. Painful truth for a once proud alliance but the facts nonetheless. I will enjoy listening to the plaintive screams of a dying alliance here on these forums..I will continue to look in vain for brave Ushra Khan pilots in space. Amarr Victor! So much for respecting your enemy... I hope the "pirates", as you chose to call them, will take these words and stuff them down your traitorous throat, with the help of a few well-placed projectiles. AMARRES EUNT DOMUS
Telemicus Thrace Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.07.04 14:09:00 - [160] Originally by: Gegi Wau Originally by: Vantras Ushra Khan is barely a footnote to the story being written in Providence. All the forum posts, complaining, whining, and accusations wont change that simple fact. You can fabricate all the "make believe" stories you want about kills, deaths, whats burning and whats not. The facts are that if more then 3 or 4 UK's are seen together its a rare thing. You are, at best, a small portion of the remaining pirates that we are tasked with eradicating. Painful truth for a once proud alliance but the facts nonetheless. I will enjoy listening to the plaintive screams of a dying alliance here on these forums..I will continue to look in vain for brave Ushra Khan pilots in space. Amarr Victor! So much for respecting your enemy... I hope the "pirates", as you chose to call them, will take these words and stuff them down your traitorous throat, with the help of a few well-placed projectiles. Indeed, empty lies though these slaver words are. >> RECRUITING <<
Kabajashi San Minmatar	Posted - 2007.07.04 14:26:00 - [161] Pfff, Yesterday I fetched my ship from Unity and your pilots weren't even responding when I orbited the station to make some screenies. So much for "control". You do what you have always done - idling in the core systems, giving a damn about the other constellations. Today I see vulture alliances in Providence which I never heard of before. Who has seen scum like shrots or Lonestars around, when UK hold the banner of Unity? You whined about UK allies being pirates? Well, start dealing with these kind of people who sell their souls for ISK and you know what a real pirate is. All you do is claiming souvereignity in the space you conquered, you do nothing to control it. I would even think you have overstretched yourself and now the vultures smell weakness. I agree when you say it needs time to see the outcome. But judging from what I have seen I can only laugh at "peace and prosperity for the Providence region". Yes, this is my personal view and nothing else. But start asking more objective inhabitants and bypassers, you will find many think alike. You were pounding your chest for a victory against "terrorists and pirates" - now prove that you have the guts and the guns to stand for it. And not only on IGS.
Solusar Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.04 16:34:00 - [162] Edited by: Solusar on 04/07/2007 16:36:33 Originally by: Gegi Wau So much for respecting your enemy... I hope the "pirates", as you chose to call them, will take these words and stuff them down your traitorous throat, with the help of a few well-placed projectiles. We respect the members of Ushra'Khan that continue the fight for Providence. None of those posting here are those members. Drakus hasn't been involved in a kill in Providence for nearly 2 weeks, Telemicus for over 7 now. Khanjohn longer than both of them. To those Ushra'Khan that continue to fight, I look forward to seeing you on the field of battle. To those that now follow the path of butter "butters" dog I suggest you stop spending your waking hours contesting issues with a war of words and take that anger into space where it actually means something. Empires aren't build in a day. I know from my patrols of the area who is still fighting.
Solusar Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.04 16:49:00 - [163] Also for those that are listening to the drivel reported by Kabajashi San I suggest you look him up to check how long he has been a member of Ushra'Khan and thus keep in mind that is talking about Providence from 4-12 months ago at which time he hadn't even obtained a Pod pilots license.
KhanJohn Amarr Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.07.04 18:10:00 - [164] ive been on vacation in Amarr fighting the worthy adversary of PIE incorporated....just because i havnt killed someone in the providence region recently doesnt mean i dont know whats going on and having been in mamet, ziri and misaba quite a lot lately along the pipe from Amarr, get your facts straight slaver... People ask me what i am if i am not Amarran - i am a free "Amarri" all exiled amarrans who do not believe the tainted prophets are!
Drakus Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.07.04 18:10:00 - [165] My last kill, june 27th. Telemicus Thrace's last kill July 2nd KhanJohn's last kill june 28th Karn Mithralia's last kill june 30th Jeats Cheats last kill july 1st Occasus Vim july 1st Thats just people from the last 2 pages, and the start of the first. Doesn't include Mangold, a man who was involved in over 40 kills last month. So before you go saying that the only people posting here have not been involved in combat, you better get your facts straight. We are not saying that we are kicking CVA's ass up one side and down the other of providance. What we ARE saying is that we are killing many of you, and your friends in the area.
Drakus Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.07.04 18:14:00 - [166] and on a final note. Seeing as ALLL respect from this thread and all others involving the CVA, has evaporated. I will be no longer posting on the Galnet Channels, unless specifically challenged. The garbage that is being spouted here is worse the the CAOD channel.
Vantras Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.04 18:33:00 - [167] I know I was ordered off this channel by my superior..and i shall suffer for this...but I think I made a bit of a breakthrough here. I think my brother Amarr, where we are being confused is we mistakenly thought the Ushra Khan was referring to the CVA. Alas with thier new found role as wandering pirates methinks they refer to kills against unarmed haulers, neutral npc'rs, and traveling merchants. I apologize for using our own intelligence network to look for hostile actions against the CVA-it is easy to forget that the Ushra Khan has changed direction and now free fires on those that have nothing to do with this conflict. I think this explains the difficulties we are having with our intelligence.
Hobsbawn Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated	Posted - 2007.07.04 18:47:00 - [168] Originally by: Vantras I think this explains the difficulties we are having with our intelligence. We too are having problems with your intelligence. See how easy it is. Cheap shots seem to be the order of the day. A real pity. Hobs Are you ready to testify?
Kabajashi San Minmatar	Posted - 2007.07.04 19:15:00 - [169] Solusar, you are disgracing your alliance by citing killboards while we all know what they are worth. Yes, I am young, does that make my words less true? Does my inexperience forbid me to stand up and speak for myself and state my opinion? From presenting my observations to a broader public? Nothing more I have done, nothing less I will do. I don't speak for Ushra Khan, I don't speak for my corp nor my people. I speak for myself. If all you have to answer is pointing at my age than better save your breath. One last thing to note to not let this thread derail further. Providence is burning. It is burning not only by the guns of Ushra Khan, it is burning by our allies, it is burning by other entities who came here for various reasons, acceptable or not. Your alliance was claiming that it would bring peace and prosperity to the region and the sweet-talking poison of yours brought some respected local alliances to give up the honour and dignity that they have earned over a long time. I am saying that they earned it not because I was there when it happened. I am talking about it because when I entered Ushra Khan as a freshmen from the Military Service, only one week out of school, I was told about them and I was told stories of mutual respect and even friendship. It is lost now. So forgive me the bitter tone when I hold you to your words. I considered Unity my home the same as everyone else even if it was only for a short time. But be assured I am not fighting for Providence. It gets what it deserves, we don't take shelter there no more. We are driven by the suffering of our brothers and one day even you will understand what this means. I respect many fighters on both sides for many reasons, own experience and tales of warrior spirits, but I have no respect for someone who judges others by the days they have been in an alliance or the numbers linked to them on some database.
Mangold Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.07.04 23:04:00 - [170] Originally by: Solusar Edited by: Solusar on 04/07/2007 16:36:33 Originally by: Gegi Wau So much for respecting your enemy... I hope the "pirates", as you chose to call them, will take these words and stuff them down your traitorous throat, with the help of a few well-placed projectiles. We respect the members of Ushra'Khan that continue the fight for Providence. None of those posting here are those members. Drakus hasn't been involved in a kill in Providence for nearly 2 weeks, Telemicus for over 7 now. Khanjohn longer than both of them. To those Ushra'Khan that continue to fight, I look forward to seeing you on the field of battle. To those that now follow the path of butter "butters" dog I suggest you stop spending your waking hours contesting issues with a war of words and take that anger into space where it actually means something. Empires aren't build in a day. I know from my patrols of the area who is still fighting. Solusar, as you can't have access to our killboard you'd know nothing of that. Keep the cheap killboard references away from this. And, btw, I don't care about you. You can all rot in hell.
Karn Mithralia Minmatar Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.07.05 01:19:00 - [171] Edited by: Karn Mithralia on 05/07/2007 01:22:41 Originally by: Solusar We respect the members of Ushra'Khan that continue the fight for Providence. None of those posting here are those members ... Your are obviously blind beneath that hood. I haven't moved one inch and have flown active combat duty every single day for the last month. I flew with Telemicus only yesterday and Drakus the day before. You can't seriously believe that just cos you don't see us we aren't there? By that logic I could claim you are doing nothing to fight for Providence, since its been a long time since I saw you in space. Hell, I'll go further with the stupidity of such remarks - I saw 6 CVA total in Providence yesterday in 2 hrs of patrolling, and most of you seemed to be either holed up in Unity or shooting some sort of Sansha infestation near Sylph space. I can only conclude you don't fight for Providence anymore. Well, that is what I could conclude if I was an idiot without the slightest understanding of how these things work. In reality I simply suspect you and yours were asleep, involved in other combat duties or restoring war chests so you can continue your war of domination. Redwolf I am fully aware of the irony of my post, got any bright ideas on how anyone can offer some balance to a laughably inaccurate record without responding with veiled references of my own? ----------------------------------------- Now recruiting.
Redwolf Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.05 01:47:00 - [172] Well I'd start by not taking offence to one sided reports, as, only rightly it's not possible for us to report our opponents view of any given event. (though this was aimed moreso at Tel and his disgraceful attack on Hardin) As for statistical analysis, well this isn't the place, and responding in kind is as bad if not worse because it only serves to bring out more statistics (87% of which are made up on the spot!), and before long you have a Revanesqe persona spouting about thier amazing ratios achieved soley by engaging exceedingly dangerous industrial ships. ---- It's great being Amarr, ain't it?
Karn Mithralia Minmatar Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.07.05 01:58:00 - [173] Originally by: Redwolf ... by engaging exceedingly dangerous industrial ships. You'll have to ask Black Necris about that one ----------------------------------------- Now recruiting.
zoolkhan Minmatar	Posted - 2007.07.05 05:04:00 - [174] one says we will never be forgotten in hostory, the others said we did not even make a footnote. This displayes how uniform individuals in CVA think - or it simply reveales the lying tendency.. now which statement was the lie, if not both - that i leave up to the UNRELATED OBSERVER stop comparing your logs, stop denying our contribution as little that may be in your eyes. This is not only low, its childish too. one down, two to go providence will bea safe area when we decide so. And that my dear foes is called "control" You are not in control U'K recruit! - Admiral retired, out of service - ..we come for our people..
Hardin Amarr PioneerX Productions PioneerX Syndicate	Posted - 2007.07.05 08:24:00 - [175] I just want to build on what Garreck wrote earlier. The use of statistics by BOTH sides in this GalNet discussion has been misguided and pointless. We can all make statistics say what we want and they do not prove anything one way or another. However I do want to discuss the original starting point of this discussion. Is Providence burning? The Ushra'khan NATURALLY want to present the case that it is. That since they have been turfed out, everything in Providence has gone to hell in a handbasket and that they are playing a major part in this. That is understandable Similarly the CVA NATURALLY want to present the case that it is business as usual in Providence, that the Amarrian masterplan for the region is perfectly on schedule and Ushra'khan are a bunch of terrorist liars The problem is both sides are right. So how can such intrinsically differing views both be correct - let me explain! Providence is not a homogenous region. It never has been. Both geographically and politically it has been divided into 'roughly' two sections. UK controlled East and CVA controlled West. The claim here is that 'Providence' is burning. Unfortunately for Ushra'khan that is not true. What is true is that part of Providence is 'burning' - although 'burning' is not necessarily the proper descriptive for this. On the Western (original CVA) side it is business as usual and business is booming. Yes there are pirate and terrorists raids and occasional camps. But camps tend to be busted quickly and most raiders go home with a bloody nose. Neutral travellers in the region still have to be wary. The CVA has never provided 100% security because 100% security is nigh on impossible to provide anywhere in 0.0 but in general 'western' Providence is relatively well protected and this hasn't changed since the fall of 9UY. However, on the Eastern (original UK) side it is not business as normal. I will happily (well not happily, but you understand what I am saying) admit that the amount of trade and neutral pilots has declined since Ushra'khan were evicted by the CVA. I think this is clear to see. Whatever their faults as terrorists Ushra'khan did keep many of the pirate bands in Eastern Providence subdued and their removal (indeed their addition to the forces of chaos) has created a vacuum and we all know what happens to vacuums From the UK perspective they are RIGHT to claim that the area is, if not burning, then at least highly dangerous. The CVA is aware of this issue and indeed expected it and have plans in place to correct it. However these plans are medium to long term. Our domination over our original Providence entry point and 'Western' Providence took almost two PAINFUL years to establish - and even to this day is occasionally challenged. We did not expect that the removal of Ushra'khan from QR and 9UY would suddenly create a fantastically safe Amarrian playground. Indeed we expected precisely the opposite and planned for it. The CVA is in this for the long haul. We have already put plans in operation to secure Eastern Providence and create a thriving, prosperous region to add to the glorious Amarrian Empire. The removal of Ushra'khan sovereignty was the first step in securing 'Eastern' Providence for Amarr and we are under no delusions that Ushra'khan and the many other piratacal alliances and corporations that hate Amarrian law and order will oppose us every step of the way. However CVA is nothing if not persistent and we are confident that over time that Eastern Providence will enjoy the same level of protection that is provided in the original CVA heartlands. I am sure Ushra'khan and other terrorist friends and allies will seek to oppose us every step of the way and they may actually suceed - only time will tell. I suggest that both sides cool off, let their guns do the talking and reexamine the issue in six months time... ------------------------------ CVA - Kicking Arse For The Empire - http://eve-files.com/dl/83607 AMARR VICTOR
zoolkhan Minmatar	Posted - 2007.07.05 08:30:00 - [176] Edited by: zoolkhan on 05/07/2007 08:31:37 Edited by: zoolkhan on 05/07/2007 08:30:54 Originally by: Hardin ...stuff..., ((i stopped reading after a few lines i admit, sorry - i am a busy man, and my hope to read something different in this post than already found before in this thread is close to zero...)) In these times i value the word of a grunt, a pilot from the CVA legions - a fighter; the last honorable pilots you probably still harbour somewhere - much higher rather than the words of a PR officer and propaganda minister. The likehood he is expressing what he really feels is just much higher, as painful it may be for me and ushrakhan to listen to unformatted raw feedback. U'K recruit! - Admiral retired, out of service - ..we come for our people..
Hardin Amarr PioneerX Productions PioneerX Syndicate	Posted - 2007.07.05 08:39:00 - [177] Edited by: Hardin on 05/07/2007 08:40:26 Okay feel free to close your eyes rather than read what was a balanced and objective view on the situation in Providence. I know it contains things that you don't want to read. It also contains things that some CVA probably dont want to read either. ------------------------------ CVA - Kicking Arse For The Empire - http://eve-files.com/dl/83607 AMARR VICTOR
KhanJohn Amarr Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.07.05 09:31:00 - [178] i think you fail to realise Hardin that despite what you may think or feel the majority of us here in the UK lost complete respect for a traditionally honourable opponent, we have always been the underdog to Ammarian Firepower and heavily outgunned, you cut providence in two by calling it east and west thats your right todo so which is why i made the points of the Inflatable house pocket and Amarrian lowsec that is where the bulk of your forces derive.... when we refer to providence we speak of it as a whole one area of space we do not cut it in half we patrol through all areas not as much to the west as we are based out of Assah and as much as the piratical bands are killing anyone in sight we find ourselves beset with hired mercenary groups and breaking pirate blockades to just be able to get to your side of providence we take such struggles because we have to....and still despite this constant harassing we fly pilots every day... meanwhile a good portion of the UK forces are recooperating financially in E-PROS which redwolf so kindly pointed out this does not mean we are all there...also you will find us in Amarr itself engageing the valiant VV and PIE forces... so were not dead, beaten, broken or gone and when we talk about providence were not spouting some PR campaign crap were speaking the truth when we say it burns because even if we kill 1 ship it means weve destroyed something the CVA couldnt protect whethe ryou wanted to or not for us its a victory thats the point your misguided colleagues in the CVA fail to realise...but instead they nitpick and attack us for not killing enough of the CVA forces holed up in their patch....we are not stupid we fight guerilla warfare something i have repeatedly mentioned...we dont pick a direct confrontation with CVA because we dont have to wait for your bloated forces to outnumber us we find targets annihilate them and fade out like true freedom fighters we cut the scorpions sting away while avoiding its gaping claws ... so your colleagues can spout figures, shout that were only killing a few of them but they can jnever say to us providence doesnt burn because every ship we kill is proof it does...you are right when you say you can never secure providence because providence will always burn but while were here expect the loss's to be high and costly not to the CVA but to anyone who dares tread and fight against us...thats how providence burns were not here to inflate the CVA ego by killing the CVA were here to stop control of the region.... i just hope your colleagues learn this soon instead of spouting this rediculous statfest and slagging off our good honourable pilots there was respect and honour now there is just violence and murder...CVA made us this way be careful what you wish for...the hate will continue to increase with every gloating comment made in local comms and on the summit...you are slavers and you will all die. People ask me what i am if i am not Amarran - i am a free "Amarri" all exiled amarrans who do not believe the tainted prophets are!
Mangold Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.07.05 09:45:00 - [179] Originally by: Hardin Edited by: Hardin on 05/07/2007 08:40:26 Okay feel free to close your eyes rather than read what was a balanced and objective view on the situation in Providence. Hardin, it is not and you know it too.
Octavinus Augustus Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.05 10:09:00 - [180] Originally by: zoolkhan In these times i value the word of a grunt, a pilot from the CVA legions - a fighter; the last honorable pilots you probably still harbour somewhere - much higher rather than the words of a PR officer and propaganda minister. OK, I'll give you the words of this common soldier then - wether you can respect them or not is your decision. Piracy. I have recently heard many people call Ushra Khan fighters pirates, and I think I have even myself referred to them as such once or twice. Having spent time since considering the definition of the word "pirate", I have reconsidered my opinions. A pirate is someone who kills civilians simply for the profit of their wrecks. This is not what the U'K is currently about. However, a terrorist is someone who uses violence against civilians in order to achieve a political aim. That description continues to fit the U'K fighters amply, I think. The line is a thin one, however. Providence burning I think it is unfair to call CVA policies in Providence a failure. Yes we have been unable to fully secure the region around Deliverance Reclaimed in the few short weeks since we reclaimed it. Over the cause of several years of fighting to take the station, we have shed much blood to U'K and her allies. We have finally gained the upper hand by virtue of our greater economic strength and the favor of GOD. The average U'K pilot has displayed a skill no less than that of the average CVA ditto throughout. In order to secure eastern Providence to the same extent as can be expected in western Providence, it requires not only that we control the stations and beat off the pirates in that area. It also require the we destroy the threat of the Minmatar terrorists that continue to operate there. Those terrorists will continue to operate in Providence as long as they have the strength to do so. In effect we shall have to annihilate them almost alltogether to achieve total control. To claim that CVA policies are a failure for not being able to do so in a few short weeks, is strictly speaking crediting the U'K a lot less than they deserve. This campaign will continue for months if not years to come. Consequently, in my humble opinion this discussion is somewhat premature. Kill board comparisons, efficiency discussions and the like These discussions often tend to degenerate into little more than shouting matches where the two sides try to come up with the better insult. I cannot expect a certain behaviour of the Minmatar, but in all honesty, I think that for Amarr Loyalists to participate in such antics is unfortunate (though I'm by no means above doing so myself on occasion). I would ask of my brothers in arms that you consider wether your posts are intended to further our common cause or merely intended to vent some frustration or other. We should always strive for a higher standard. After all, we are GOD's chosen people - not some bunch of ungodly Minmatar heathens. Motto: Vae Victis - Woe to the vanquished.
Hardin Amarr PioneerX Productions PioneerX Syndicate	Posted - 2007.07.05 10:50:00 - [181] Originally by: KhanJohn when we refer to providence we speak of it as a whole one area of space we do not cut it in half we patrol through all areas not as much to the west as we are based out of Assah and as much as the piratical bands are killing anyone in sight we find ourselves beset with hired mercenary groups and breaking pirate blockades to just be able to get to your side of providence we take such struggles because we have to....and still despite this constant harassing we fly pilots every day... I am not disagreeing with this... Originally by: KhanJohn meanwhile a good portion of the UK forces are recooperating financially in E-PROS which redwolf so kindly pointed out this does not mean we are all there...also you will find us in Amarr itself engageing the valiant VV and PIE forces... I am also not disagreeing with this. Originally by: KhanJohn so were not dead, beaten, broken or gone and when we talk about providence were not spouting some PR campaign crap were speaking the truth when we say it burns because even if we kill 1 ship it means weve destroyed something the CVA couldnt protect whethe ryou wanted to or not for us its a victory thats the point your misguided colleagues in the CVA fail to realise... I have never said you were dead, beaten or broken. Indeed my post above acknowledges that you are causing difficulties for us. Unfortunately the grandiose claim that Providence is burning is a little hard to justify and no doubt upset some CVA pilots who set out (somewhat undiplomatically but bluntly) to demonstrate that this is not actually the case. Originally by: KhanJohn but instead they nitpick and attack us for not killing enough of the CVA forces holed up in their patch....we are not stupid we fight guerilla warfare something i have repeatedly mentioned... ...so your colleagues can spout figures, shout that were only killing a few of them but they can jnever say to us providence doesnt burn because every ship we kill is proof it does... As I said above BOTH sides have unfortunately brought statistics into this debate which has done nothing except enflame tempers. As I said above the claim that 'Providence' is 'burning' is provocative. Yes 'Eastern Providence' is not as safe as we would like it to be and Ushra'khan and others play no small part in that. However, as Ushra'khan itself knows it is impossible to provide 100% security. Did you claim that 'Providence' burned when pirates raided UK space or when Unity was under siege from the pirate coalition? Originally by: KhanJohn you are right when you say you can never secure providence because providence will always burn but while were here expect the loss's to be high and costly not to the CVA but to anyone who dares tread and fight against us...thats how providence burns were not here to inflate the CVA ego by killing the CVA were here to stop control of the region.... That is a fair enough objective for a terrorist alliance bitterly opposed to our imposition of Amarrian law and order in Providence. My point is that how successful your campaign will eventually be is still to be decided. In the short term yes - our new holdings are not as secure as we would like - but we expected this and are working to correct it. As an Amarrian loyalist I expect us to succeed. As a terrorist you will obviously oppose this. In the the short term you have had some success (as I acknowledged above). Whether this will remain the case in the medium to long term as CVA enhances it foothold remains to be seen, which is why we should waste less time in station writing about it and more time in space doing something about it! ------------------------------ CVA - Kicking Arse For The Empire - http://eve-files.com/dl/83607 AMARR VICTOR
KhanJohn Amarr Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.07.05 11:14:00 - [182] Hardin as you may have noticed i was constantly pointing to your colleagues and some of mine are just as bad i can understand the Amarrian eagerness i am also Amarrian a traitor yes but i know our races proud history of warfare and religion. But one thing the Amarr doctrine dictates is Honour (take the battle of vak atioth where the fleet sacrificed itself despite defeat) and also respect...the Matari unlike the Amarrian Bloc do not have such a bold history as ours but they do show great respect for the warrior caste...from this perspective i find it shocking that CVA pilots who actively emulate the good will of the emperor are finding it hard to follow this steady doctrine if they truly believe in the ways of the Amarr then they need better teaching and guidance also noticing from Garrecks own corporation his own members do not follow the line of command a punishment of a firing squad in the Amarrian Navy Fleet. the Matari do not make such a bold statement, they treat people with respect when treated with respect but by their traditions unlike ours they dont have to and knowing what our race has put them through i can understand why some of my younger colleagues have anger in their hearts and bellys! i do not condone the use of statitics from either side it means little to me as long as slavery still exists in all its forms which is why statistically statistics being inaccurate and history being at the hands of those who wrote about it i.e biased it means nothing.... but i think the greater point i was referencing to you Hardin is that you at least have some comprehension that we will say providence is burning because its our campaign its ours as i said no matter what we destroy...even if its a shuttle...for the CVA pilots other thna yourself to not understand why were saying this is ludicrous... we are not proclaiming we have won...or that CVA has lost or that CVA will lose we are not saying we intend to fight in Providence forever either....but we are saying that for now our campaign called "Burn providence burn" is enjoying great success and for once we do not feel that while outnumbered outgunned outspoken by the CVA we have some measure of breathing room... if you actually carefully disect this thread we were not the ones to first throw that crushing blow of statistical nonsense though when attacked and provoked we did fight back with words and statistics and whil i am not one to start the childish game of finger pointing i think both the CVA and the USHRAKHAN will both agree that the respect is gone...and that there has been a lot of crowing and gloating since the fall of unity...as a member of the khan i can only confess that this has angered my brethren and turned us into men seeking vengeance and dripping wiht bloodlust, we are not pirates but we are angry...i would be happy to discuss in length perhaps another place and time my personal feelings...but i am just one man in an alliance of many angry voices. i agree with you we should settle this in space but rather than constant backpeddling which if w ecan admit to each other we all do, this problem will not fade away the respect has evaporated in combat which is why myself and many others have now chosen to engage only the choicest of targets and take the fight back to the Amarrian homeworlds...i like other will not commit to a fair fight with the CVA forces anymore...we will strike and dissapear into the shadows and this you must prepare for... People ask me what i am if i am not Amarran - i am a free "Amarri" all exiled amarrans who do not believe the tainted prophets are!
zoolkhan Minmatar	Posted - 2007.07.05 11:15:00 - [183] Edited by: zoolkhan on 05/07/2007 11:15:49 Originally by: Octavinus Augustus Originally by: zoolkhan In these times i value the word of a grunt, a pilot from the CVA legions - a fighter; the last honorable pilots you probably still harbour somewhere - much higher rather than the words of a PR officer and propaganda minister. OK, I'll give you the words of this common soldier then - wether you can respect them or not is your decision. Dont fall from the Chair, but yes - i can respect them, they sound honest - that is what i was looking for - thank you. U'K recruit! - Admiral retired, out of service - ..we come for our people..
Hardin Amarr PioneerX Productions PioneerX Syndicate	Posted - 2007.07.05 11:44:00 - [184] Originally by: KhanJohn i agree with you we should settle this in space but rather than constant backpeddling which if w ecan admit to each other we all do, this problem will not fade away the respect has evaporated in combat which is why myself and many others have now chosen to engage only the choicest of targets and take the fight back to the Amarrian homeworlds...i like other will not commit to a fair fight with the CVA forces anymore...we will strike and dissapear into the shadows and this you must prepare for... Khan John, In my eyes you are a traitor to your race. You fly alongside pilots who have shown their contempt for our holy Empire and Amarrian life. However, I am sure you, and your colleagues in Ushra'khan, view me in similar unflattering terms. That is inevitable. We are not meant to be friends. Indeed as blood enemies respect is a commodity that is rarely found. I have no doubt that Ushra'khan and friends will seek to derail 'Operation Deliverance' at every turn and by every means and tactics. I am sure many of my colleagues will despise you for this and label you 'dishonourable' and 'unworthy of respect' in the same way in which many of your terrorist brothers did regarding the CVA's tactics in advancing Amarrian rule over Providence. I am afraid we are both going to have to live with not being 'respected' by the other and get on with achieving our own objectives regardless of what the other side thinks. As for 'Operation Burn Providence Burn' the proof will be in the results in the medium to long term. Operation Deliverance has been two years in the gestation and even now is not complete. The CVA did not make any claims for the success of 'Operation Deliverance' until many many months into the campaign. I think you would be wise to follow suit - but heh - why should you follow the advice of one of your oldest enemies and a Ni-Kunni to boot ------------------------------ CVA - Kicking Arse For The Empire - http://eve-files.com/dl/83607 AMARR VICTOR
zoolkhan Minmatar	Posted - 2007.07.05 12:14:00 - [185] Originally by: Hardin I have no doubt that Ushra'khan and friends will seek to derail 'Operation Deliverance' at every turn and by every means and tactics. I am sure many of my colleagues will despise you for this and label you 'dishonourable' and 'unworthy of respect' in the same way in which many of your terrorist brothers did regarding the CVA's tactics in advancing Amarrian rule over Providence. That is your Problem Hardin. Your own lack of honor makes you believe U'K would drop to the same level. It will not happen that u'k use cheap tricks for a payback. You know what i am referring to. U'K would not start using flaws and glitches in Time to errect a mass of towers to every available moon. Currently it is more likely that CVA degenrates to a low priority target as we can achieve the goal of stopping your slave trades by intercepting the countless industrial supporters that you have. despite all hate, we still would not hire Mercs against you. Every time your propaganda filled with these easy spottable false accusations and indictions hits this media, you lose credibility - this happens as long and beyond the point where nobody cares about your posts anymore. The Audience know by now, that your posts are very subjective (to a limited extend all our posts are, but yours are so far away from beeing balanced that they fall from the table onto the floor so to speak) No, U'K will never use all possible tricks recklessly. They still feel bound to a basic honor codex. Maybe it changes one day, but not now. U'K recruit! . ..i come for our people..
Hardin Amarr PioneerX Productions PioneerX Syndicate	Posted - 2007.07.05 12:50:00 - [186] Originally by: zoolkhan Originally by: Hardin I have no doubt that Ushra'khan and friends will seek to derail 'Operation Deliverance' at every turn and by every means and tactics. I am sure many of my colleagues will despise you for this and label you 'dishonourable' and 'unworthy of respect' in the same way in which many of your terrorist brothers did regarding the CVA's tactics in advancing Amarrian rule over Providence. That is your Problem Hardin. Your own lack of honor makes you believe U'K would drop to the same level. Sorry Zoolkhan. Your problem is that you think that everything I say is mere propoganda. I wasn't saying above that CVA were dishonourable or deliberately employ dodgy tactics I was saying that you (UK) 'perceived' us to do this. Similarly, I wasn't saying that UK are dishonourable or will employ dodgy tactics I am saying that there is a 'perception' amongst many in the CVA that UK have done everything they accuse CVA of. Obviously you would disagree - in the same way we disagree with your belief that CVA are 'dishonourable'. However, the specifics of these disagreements do not need to be dragged up and debated here again as they have already been debated at length elsewhere and it is clear both sides are not budging in their stubborness. What is clear is that there is as Khan John has said a 'lack of respect' on BOTH sides. My point is that we, as enemies, are just going to have to move on from that position and simply accept that we both think the other is 'dishonourable' and just get on with fighting our war rather than talking about it. At the end of the day we are enemies. If individual pilots develop respect for the talents and abilities of their opponents in the heat of battle that is to be welcomed. However, at the end of the day we are loyalist Amarrians and you are terrorist Minmatar. We have a complete conflict of ideologies and objectives. The fact that we may not end up liking each other is hardly a surprise. ------------------------------ CVA - Kicking Arse For The Empire - http://eve-files.com/dl/83607 AMARR VICTOR
zoolkhan Minmatar	Posted - 2007.07.05 13:17:00 - [187] Edited by: zoolkhan on 05/07/2007 13:17:43 Originally by: Hardin My point is that we, as enemies, are just going to have to move on from that position and simply accept that we both think the other is 'dishonourable' Its not so simple to accept that and move on as if nothing happened. I know i am not alone if i say i dont fancy to fight a war against an enemy who outnumbers us permanently 2:1 - but still believe in the use of cheap tricks in an offensive operation. That is the "low" part. U'K would not call for help for jobs it can do alone, and there are plenty otehr things U'K wouldnt do - they have been discussed enough in various threads & places now. There are some major differences between us hardin. (despite the fact that we did not call anyone, people offered their help proactively) But lets leave the who has how many allies aside for the moment, we all know allies are not a konstant, they lose interest, they move on - and we would win that discussion anyways) Sure - UK will fight, but CVA is not a worthy foe anymore w/o the respect generated by a noble way of fighting - from my personal perspective at least. Many years we have fought, we have respected each other - we accepted each others victories and own defeats with pride and like men. I imagine, we look out for a worthy opponent now, restore a new respectful relationship with them instead. There are so many direct and indirect supporters of slavery, so many jobs to do and so many of our people still in chains - enough targets, everywhere. Enough other ways of supporting our cause. Maybe even with greater sucsses... Many of us defined ourselfes by the enemy CVA we were fighting. I woke up and skipped breakfast just to enter the war against you a few minuites sooner. It was daily routine, my only motivator. It is lost.. gone... i feel emptyness.. It is hard to explain, hardin. Also i believe you dont (want?) understand me - have a corpmate translate my words for you, have a one of your slave-brainwashers interpret my psychology for you. This enemy of the old is no longer there... we see pilots aimlessly leave our ranks because of that. Others just dont respond to calls against your blobs anymore... just as if your ships are infected with pocks and cholera and HIV-gamma. which you(cva in general) then possibly interpret as weakness, or even fear. U'K recruit! . ..i come for our people..
Solusar Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.05 13:18:00 - [188] Originally by: zoolkhan U'K would not start using flaws and glitches in Time to errect a mass of towers to every available moon. I do like the selective memory that you have that enables you to conveniently forgot that Ushra'Khan used those glitches to online three control towers during our siege on QR. The difference was of course that after the glitches cleared we immediately engaged those towers rather than running to the summit to complain about the issue. I also enjoy watching you alter times and not mentioning that CVA began deploying control towers 2 hours before the glitches in space time occurred so many towers had already been onlined prior to it happening. I also enjoy watching you conveniently forget the 37 hours of continuous siegeing that went on by CVA capital pilots after our towers were placed to destroy enough of your towers to take sovereignty. I'm sorry to see you blaming all of your failings on CVA. Our goal since we first set our eyes on Providence was to reclaim it for the empire. You were well aware of this and tried to stand in our way. Im sure in afew months you will return from Delve and begin attacks on CVA again. I look forward to the challenge. However at this time the major thorns in CVA's side are coming not from Ushra'Khan.
zoolkhan Minmatar	Posted - 2007.07.05 13:28:00 - [189] Edited by: zoolkhan on 05/07/2007 13:30:43 Edited by: zoolkhan on 05/07/2007 13:28:27 Originally by: Solusar I'm sorry to see you blaming all of your failings on CVA. Our goal since we first set our eyes on Providence was to reclaim it for the empire. You were well aware of this and tried to stand in our way. Actually it was not my intention to start a blame campaign, i was responding to posts. I dont blame all our failings to CVA (especially not the QR where we delivered a really poor show indeed, i have no knowledge about us using "glitches" there .. but if you say so.. three towers. Wow. oh and a few towers were ready sooner in 9uy - respect! that and your siege surely changed everything in a system with like .. i dont remember, say 40 moons?) The failings of uk are not my topic, but if it helps you to jerk off i state hereby "UK failed, UK is not perfect" it does not matter - what matters is how the fight is fought - and in comparison we fight 'different' and i would not like to see us fight like you do. hardin wants us to leat the weapons speak, and ignore the matters of a field-of-honor this is something i personally find hard to accept. And that is my point. got it now? <o. U'K recruit! . ..i come for our people..
KhanJohn Amarr Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.07.05 13:43:00 - [190] Edited by: KhanJohn on 05/07/2007 13:47:13 i would be very careful solusar how you phrase things befor eyou derail our thread anymore with old discussions which weve answered time and time again... stop flogging a dead kestrel... i will tell you though that the more you do this the worse it makes you look as well, and surprisingly enough Solusar a lot of the UK pilots use to respect you it is not surprising however that your name is mentioned mor eon the other side of the flipped coin now not that im sure you care about such things. i myself agree woth you hardin maybe we should just let the respect die but i would rather discuss that in CAOD than here on the summit...if you feel strongly enough you can also contact me via FTL comm transmissions at some point...for now though i depart this thread still feeling at a loss to why the majority of the CVA like solusar do not have the comprehension of what we are talking about. I myself have chosen to deal mor exclusively with the PIE inc threat now, Rodj, Gaven im coming for you People ask me what i am if i am not Amarran - i am a free "Amarri" all exiled amarrans who do not believe the tainted prophets are!
Emeline Cabernet Amarr KVA Noble Inc.	Posted - 2007.07.05 14:49:00 - [191] /me wakes up, sips some pils and reads the topic but nothing else.. topic reminds me of the time uk wanted to be friends with huzzah by burning 1 small pos into reinforced
Solusar Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.06 00:58:00 - [192] Edited by: Solusar on 06/07/2007 00:58:12 I have a perfect understanding of what is occurring. If you no longer respect me for simply proving your arguments incorrect and standing up for my beliefs then so be it. Pointing out the hypocrisy of your arguments is just a pass time. 2007.07.06 00:16 The war between Ushra'Khan and Curatores Veritatis Alliance is coming to an end. Ushra'Khan has retracted the war against Curatores Veritatis Alliance. The war will be declared as being over after approximately 24 hours.
zoolkhan Minmatar	Posted - 2007.07.06 06:59:00 - [193] Originally by: Solusar 2007.07.06 00:16 The war between Ushra'Khan and Curatores Veritatis Alliance is coming to an end. Ushra'Khan has retracted the war against Curatores Veritatis Alliance. The war will be declared as being over after approximately 24 hours. Please give our Council time to prepare an official Post why the war ends here.
Equinox Daedalus Caldari The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.06 07:30:00 - [194] *Just smiles a bit" zool, its quite clear to me why the war with CVA was endeded. At the same time as ending the war with CVA they war dec'd Sylph Alliance. Providence is burning. By shooting techinally Catch residents in Empire? Laughable. Its no longer a UK will be defeated mantra....its a UK is defeated one. The Legion of Spoon : Upon wings of wax I fly, never to close to the sun
KhanJohn Amarr Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.07.06 07:43:00 - [195] Crow all you like and believe what you want if you really think weve been defeated your fools, there is one reason but sadly i can not discuss this from this perspective but ill be blunt it was always todo with respect.... as for our goals and aims they will never change slavers will die and we will pick only the choicest of targets to attack... we will still be in providence and have plenty of opportunity to shoot each other...so defeated...hardly... Again please wait for the official announcement from our alliance before making assumptions i think the CVA have mad eenough of them already on this comm channel People ask me what i am if i am not Amarran - i am a free "Amarri" all exiled amarrans who do not believe the tainted prophets are!
zoolkhan Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.07.06 08:36:00 - [196] Edited by: zoolkhan on 06/07/2007 08:53:56 Edited by: zoolkhan on 06/07/2007 08:35:58 Originally by: Equinox Daedalus Providence is burning. By shooting techinally Catch residents in Empire? Laughable. Its no longer a UK will be defeated mantra....its a UK is defeated one. We had a ca 3 yr concord/empire war against CVA - which you are part of Where did we fight you most? Let me help you - it was in 0.0 The war dec is a symbol to make things official. Its is not an indication where we shoot these Supporters of Slavery, and Backstabbers. Also the war declaration is not necessarily part of "burn providence" - although the careful reader can extract from various threads - that we burn catch as well:-) our "nbsi" is limited to Providence and Catch, this should not hit you by surprise as you probably follow the thread more carefully than you prepare your rants. i also want to remind the readers who repeadetely stumble over the definition of "burn providence" - that this threads intention was not to impress you with theatralic words - it was a warning to those who travel the area that UK goes nbsi there with strong focus on slaver-supporters. "So you innocent traveller out there; you know the rules of teh game before you enter that part of space; dont support CVA and youll survive" Sad that i had to state the obvious again, but i like to teach. smiles back, just a little U'K recruit! . ..i come for our people..
Octavinus Augustus Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.06 09:52:00 - [197] Edited by: Octavinus Augustus on 06/07/2007 09:52:30 Derailing the thread completely, I know, but I just can't resist this comment. Originally by: zoolkhan ..i come for our people.. Odd coincidence, I'm coming for your people as well. Motto: Vae Victis - Woe to the vanquished.
zoolkhan Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.07.06 10:48:00 - [198] Originally by: Octavinus Augustus [ Originally by: zoolkhan ..i come for our people.. Odd coincidence, I'm coming for your people as well.
Kabajashi San Minmatar	Posted - 2007.07.06 16:12:00 - [199] Edited by: Kabajashi San on 06/07/2007 16:12:43 Now not only Providence burns but Empire as well. Why fight in the outback when you can fight in the enemy's heart land? (OOC: pls remember this is RP and don't give me statistics about kills and losses in Empire.)
Caillech Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.07.08 18:03:00 - [200] I admire my brethren who still bother to banter with our ex-opponents. The truth is CVA no longer represents the Empire in any fashion and is nothing more than a collection of greedy, soulless mercantilists like any other 0.0 entity who are slaves to isk. We have no interest in liberating you from your slavery and instead choose to stay true to our cause.
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.08 21:00:00 - [201] Originally by: Caillech The truth is CVA no longer represents the Empire in any fashion I'm just dying to hear you expound upon this. In particular, I'd be interested to hear what makes you an authority on who and what represents the Holy Amarr Empire. Pushing a clear and present threat to the Empire and to the Mandate out of lawless space bordering the Mandate puts us in line with the interests of the Empire in some fashion, this cannot be argued. Your disavowment of our loyalty to the Empire based upon bitter feelings from our latest offensive has no bearing on our actual loyalty to the Empire. Ignore us if you wish, of course. It will make our continued task that much easier.
Sykosys Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.07.08 22:32:00 - [202] Originally by: Garreck Originally by: Caillech The truth is CVA no longer represents the Empire in any fashion I'm just dying to hear you expound upon this. In particular, I'd be interested to hear what makes you an authority on who and what represents the Holy Amarr Empire. Pushing a clear and present threat to the Empire and to the Mandate out of lawless space bordering the Mandate puts us in line with the interests of the Empire in some fashion, this cannot be argued. Your disavowment of our loyalty to the Empire based upon bitter feelings from our latest offensive has no bearing on our actual loyalty to the Empire. Ignore us if you wish, of course. It will make our continued task that much easier. This is a joke. I mean cmon less than 25 out of your entire membership turn up to the vigil in Amarr last week shows how little your alliance is "connected" to the Empire. You can pull 3 times that number together to respond to a couple frigates and cruisers in R3. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes - Devil ([email protected])
Reash Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.08 22:47:00 - [203] Originally by: Sykosys Originally by: Garreck Originally by: Caillech The truth is CVA no longer represents the Empire in any fashion I'm just dying to hear you expound upon this. In particular, I'd be interested to hear what makes you an authority on who and what represents the Holy Amarr Empire. Pushing a clear and present threat to the Empire and to the Mandate out of lawless space bordering the Mandate puts us in line with the interests of the Empire in some fashion, this cannot be argued. Your disavowment of our loyalty to the Empire based upon bitter feelings from our latest offensive has no bearing on our actual loyalty to the Empire. Ignore us if you wish, of course. It will make our continued task that much easier. This is a joke. I mean cmon less than 25 out of your entire membership turn up to the vigil in Amarr last week shows how little your alliance is "connected" to the Empire. You can pull 3 times that number together to respond to a couple frigates and cruisers in R3. Unfortunatly many pilots were on patrol duty, if we sent our entire force to Amarr for a vigil scum such as yourself would take advantage of the situation to attack neutral shipping in Providence. While more pilots would have wished to attend the vigil, it is hardly realistic. ----------------------- Auctoritan Syndicate Director
zoolkhan Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.07.09 04:34:00 - [204] Originally by: Reash Unfortunatly many pilots were on patrol duty, if we sent our entire force to Amarr for a vigil scum such as yourself would take advantage of the situation to attack neutral shipping in Providence. While more pilots would have wished to attend the vigil, it is hardly realistic. Oh common - we have seen 1st hand that you can pull off 200 pilots if you think the objective is important. Your alliance would not send 75% on patrol duty either. This is a checp excuse. You were not interested - that is the truth. Ever tried the truth? We have thought long and hard before dropping the war, and we believe in the conclusion we came to prior that... Time for you to admit what you have become. Interested in empire happenings? Yeah riiight... U'K recruit! . ..i come for our people..
Reash Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.09 07:01:00 - [205] Originally by: zoolkhan Originally by: Reash Unfortunatly many pilots were on patrol duty, if we sent our entire force to Amarr for a vigil scum such as yourself would take advantage of the situation to attack neutral shipping in Providence. While more pilots would have wished to attend the vigil, it is hardly realistic. Oh common - we have seen 1st hand that you can pull off 200 pilots if you think the objective is important. Your alliance would not send 75% on patrol duty either. This is a checp excuse. You were not interested - that is the truth. Ever tried the truth? We have thought long and hard before dropping the war, and we believe in the conclusion we came to prior that... Time for you to admit what you have become. Interested in empire happenings? Yeah riiight... Interesting to note the poor intelligence on the size of fleets we have mustered in the past. Of course we have an interest in empire affairs, we have been trying to expand that very empire for around 3 years now. A few bitter terrorists will not change that. ----------------------- Auctoritan Syndicate Director
Hardin Amarr Blood Moon Masques Lunar Dominion	Posted - 2007.07.09 09:48:00 - [206] Originally by: Sykosys This is a joke. I mean cmon less than 25 out of your entire membership turn up to the vigil in Amarr last week shows how little your alliance is "connected" to the Empire. You can pull 3 times that number together to respond to a couple frigates and cruisers in R3. Get your facts straight terrorist. Approximately 40 CVA attended the Amarrian vigil last week and I have the information to prove it. If you don't believe me I can send you a detailed breakdown of the battle statistics privately. Just let me know. With regards R3 I sincerely doubt that as you claim '75' CVA pilots turned up to crush a few frigs and cruisers. I don't think I have seen any CVA gang that large since the 9UY siege. Clearly you have been drinking or are deliberately exagerating in a desperate attempt to smear us. PIE, Vigilia Valeria and Aegis Militia are amongst the excellent Amarrian corps who are focused on controlling terrorist activities in Empire. CVA's role has always been focused on expanding the Amarrian Empire into 0.0 - although we maintain an Empire foothold both by assisting our Amarrian brothers and in securing the low-sec areas bordering Providence. From my perspective the fact that 40 CVA pilots travelled up from Providence to attend the Vigil was perfectly respectable and represented a significant percentage of the CVA pilots available in space at that time. Indeed the lateness of the event meant that many were simply unable to attend. ------------------------------ CVA - Kicking Arse For The Empire - http://eve-files.com/dl/83607
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.07.09 10:11:00 - [207] Here we have Minmatars claiming that the CVA only sent a modest number of ships to the Doriam II Memorial service. And yet, elsewhere, we have Minmatars proclaiming that they (assisted by the SF) won a historic victory against the CVA and their allies, despite the fact that the loyalists held the field at the end and destroyed more anarcho-terrorist ships than they lost. Now, if the CVA presence in Amarr was so small, why gloat about needing the SF to even get close to equal terms with the loyalists? Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Kade Jeekin Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.07.09 10:18:00 - [208] Originally by: Hardin's Sig says Hardin is my daddy and he is so sweeeet yes,... I have more sisters... CVA Hardon's current sig, quoted above, is a perfect reflection of the present nature of the CVA 0.0 alliance mentality. Undeserving of the respect of a mutual war declaration. Treat everthing this slimy toad spouts as suspect. Hmm, come to think of it, ditto with all Amarrian propaganda. --------------------------------------- Outface the depths of evil with clarity ---------------------------------------
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.07.09 10:21:00 - [209] Originally by: Kade Jeekin Originally by: Hardin's Sig says Hardin is my daddy and he is so sweeeet yes,... I have more sisters... CVA Hardon's current sig, quoted above, is a perfect reflection of the present nature of the CVA 0.0 alliance mentality. Undeserving of the respect of a mutual war declaration. Treat everthing this slimy toad spouts as suspect. Hmm, come to think of it, ditto with all Amarrian propaganda. Or maybe it's a perfect reflection of Hardin being a good, clean-living Amarrian family man who has several daughters? Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
KhanJohn Amarr Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.07.09 10:33:00 - [210] it is sad to see that religious biggotry and idolisation of the emperor has turned you into mindless spewers of statistics, once the Amarrian Block would be able to admit a defeat and have some kind of comradery with the enemy as a sign of respect and vica versa, it saddens me brothers that you have forgotten the teachings of many great Amarrian traditions such as standing to the last man, sacrifice and honour. You do not show yourselves honour when you begin to debate points of authority... to quote again in asbolutes you had your chapel service which i heard was deeply respectful and many great speakers talked including my former superior commander Rodj blake, then you decided to follow in pursuit of a great Amarrian tradition of a show of force by displaying the Amarrian Miltary Might in a parade...battle commenced and we could spew statistics but as we both know this overall result became a rallying cry of victory for the coaltion forces...no matter how the spin or who was on the battlefield last... you goal was accomplished with your service uninterupted and your memorial and remembrance going ahead, Our goals were accomplished with what we consider a descisive victory after so many loss's such as unity with significant Amarrian Bloc loss's. i will not however go in statistics as we can go without this and still have our cake and eat it. This does not bother me but you missed the point completely battle or no battle all we needed todo was showup to accomplish our goals, one ship destroyed from your parade even would of made it a victory to show we are not dead, beaten or broken and that we will continue to protest the use of slavery as a means to economic gain. i led the UK forces as a sign to all Amarrian People that you do not have to follow the empire and you do have a choice whether to keep slaves or not...i will state now that i have never attacked or killed a member of the Amarrian Navy or Amarrian Government however i have and will continue to fight the oppressionist para-military forces who so actively proclaim and protect instituions such as the SPCS. We have honoured the forces of PIE and the CVA with mutual respect in this battle as dictated by my honour and honouring my superior offices of ages past such as Rodj and you yourself Hardin who i now regrettably must fight against, it would be fitting for you to recognise that as Amarrians such disrespect as monkey comments and vile disdain of statistic spewing is not a sign of honour and completely against Amarrian tradition perhaps you have spent far to much time with the Caldari and have forgotten your traditions as Amarrians....Caldari like statistics they believe in greed and as such spew statitics without honour. once again i honour Doriam, but as previously stated he had the opportunity to radically oppose the holders and set the Matari free once and for all and for me despite his efforts of peace he did not do enough some traditions must remain as previously mentioned but others must be changed to truly embrace peace and prosperity, the Para miltary block stands in the way of this, this is why we fight you with our honour intact do not forget this. Once again i honour the forces of PIE and CVA for a truly memorable night, may we cross swords again. Fleet Commander Khanjohn Freelance Unincorporated People ask me what i am if i am not Amarran - i am a free "Amarri" all exiled amarrans who do not believe the tainted prophets are!
Hardin Amarr Blood Moon Masques Lunar Dominion	Posted - 2007.07.09 11:05:00 - [211] Edited by: Hardin on 09/07/2007 11:16:20 Khan John, This GalNet communication was dying its own death with no new communications for two days until an Ushra'khan member decided to use it once again to attack the CVA and I quote: "The truth is CVA no longer represents the Empire in any fashion and is nothing more than a collection of greedy, soulless mercantilists like any other 0.0 entity who are slaves to isk." While we believe actions count larger than words we can not let such inaccuracies be presented as 'the truth' to the wider galactic community. I accept that some of your members may sincerely believe what Cailech wrote however from our perspective it is completely incorrect and hence some of the heated responses. Now as for what Kade Jeekin wrote about about 'Hardon' I am wondering who this 'Hardon' is and what is the 'sig' that Kade refers to? (OOC there is no need for such abuse. While some people use their sigs in an IC way many people employ them light-heartedly in an OOC way and while I have used it both ways in my time I generally come down on the OOC 'fun' side. This is a game afterall. The humourous 'kicking arse for the Empire' link has been in my 'sig' for many months and the 'new' graphical sig is part of a series (partly based on in-CVA jokes) created by a CVA member for me and many of our pilots. I have never before seen 'sigs' referred to in an IC way before and if I believed that tehy were now 'fair game' for criticism IC then I may very well have used something else. However feel free to bring the debate to the PIE or CVA public channels if you feel the need) ------------------------------ CVA - Kicking Arse For The Empire - http://eve-files.com/dl/83607
Darius Shakor Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.07.09 11:14:00 - [212] This thread is just not even funny now. Take it somewhere else guys. The last two pages is obviously coming from a place that has not place here. Find somewhere else for it because it is now just reflecting baddly on everyone, CVA and U'K. ------ Shakor Clan Information Portal
Hardin Amarr Blood Moon Masques Lunar Dominion	Posted - 2007.07.09 11:19:00 - [213] For once I agree with Darius... ------------------------------ CVA - Kicking Arse For The Empire - http://eve-files.com/dl/83607
Darius Shakor Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.07.09 11:28:00 - [214] ..... I need a shower. Urgh... ------ Shakor Clan Information Portal
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.07.09 11:43:00 - [215] Originally by: Darius Shakor ..... I need a shower. Urgh... I've been telling you that for years... Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.

Timmeh 2000 Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.07.09 11:52:00 - [216] Please be aware that you may not post OOC tags or comments in this forum. All conversation must be made In Character, at all times. If you have any OOC comments about the posts themselves, please contact the moderators at [email protected]. Thank you. Forum Rules \| E-mail Us \| Our Web \| Petition \| IGS Rules \| CAS Rules So, is it easy being green? -Elmo "This house is your own, still living alone, it donÆt make you sad, but I think itÆs good to be green."

KhanJohn Amarr Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.07.09 12:14:00 - [217] i agree with you Hardin i thought i would write a consrtuctive reply rather than a anti CVA reply i for one am in no position to comment about my fellow alliance members but i am sure any posts that go out of hand will be dealt with, thankyou for your time :) People ask me what i am if i am not Amarran - i am a free "Amarri" all exiled amarrans who do not believe the tainted prophets are!
zoolkhan Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.07.09 12:59:00 - [218] Edited by: zoolkhan on 09/07/2007 12:59:40 The many reasons why UK think CVA is not interested into continuing the war of reason and ideals and therefore not worth to be fought in the traditional manner is reflected in just a few pages within the "burn providence" thread on summit - let me quote the unbelievers, and the enlightened - in this case UK pilots The reason: (this is just an example, there are many more in "local" and on some threads) Snip - personal insults, however subtle, are not allowed - Timmeh Originally by: Equinox Daedalus zool, its quite clear to me why the war with CVA was endeded. Now it is hopefully, yes. The enlightened says: Originally by: Caillech I admire my brethren who still bother to banter with our ex-opponents. The truth is CVA no longer represents the Empire in.. The unbeliever says: Originally by: Garreck Your disavowment of our loyalty to the Empire based upon bitter feelings from our latest offensive has no bearing on our actual loyalty to the Empire. STOP!!! It was not a flamebait. Thats right, take the Finger off that button... Take a deep breath Personal insults, however subtle, are not allowed - Timmeh The impression though is, that he (Garrek, <3) and his likes are a minority in CVA - while the majority is just Heavy industrials and the Navy protecting the assets. Less and less of the ships we intercept between CVA Providence and the Empire contain slaves , which is good - Less and less military Aid is provided to the PRO-Slavery fraktions in the Empire - which is good. But it indicates where the loyalty of teh CVA stands these days. The "terrorism nest" has been succsessfully busted with a lot of help from people not interested into the mentioned Amarr Ideals and Traditions that people like PIE still protect by all means. "neutral" business partners dont fight for ideals usually. So what is the deal? Exaclty. It is land property. Go to KBP, former IO / UK land and see who Owns it now. It is not the Amarr Empire or the self called extended Arm of it. From my point of view, there are now targets with a higher impact on the topic of slavery. Ushra'Khan should refocus on those - because that is our Mission, it has always been it. This will be my conclusion, and i plan to follow Hardins and Darius Wishes to leave this communication exchange. <as so often, i only represent myself in this thread - make your own assumptions but take into account that other UK people may think completely different> U'K recruit! . ..i come for our people..

Timmeh 2000 Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.07.09 13:04:00 - [219] This is a final reminder that this is a role playing forum. OOC comments, insults and bickering have no place here. The purpose of this forum is to allow in character exchange (role play) between parties. If you would like to have an out of character discussion about the Eve Game, etc, please take it to an appropriate forum. You are also not allowed to post insutling comments in the guise of it being "roleplay". We will monitor this thread and begin issuing forum warnings for further breaches of CRC regulations: Forum Rules, IGS Rules. Regards. Forum Rules \| E-mail Us \| Our Web \| Petition \| IGS Rules \| CAS Rules So, is it easy being green? -Elmo "This house is your own, still living alone, it donÆt make you sad, but I think itÆs good to be green."


Timmeh 2000 Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.07.09 13:07:00 - [220] After further review, CRC have decided to authorise the termination of this galnet transmission, due to the number of scrambled and coded transmissions embedded within. Thank you. Timmeh, Lt. CRC. Forum Rules \| E-mail Us \| Our Web \| Petition \| IGS Rules \| CAS Rules So, is it easy being green? -Elmo "This house is your own, still living alone, it donÆt make you sad, but I think itÆs good to be green."


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