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slothe
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Posted - 2004.01.13 19:15:00 -
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Does concern me slightly (you gits :P)
One way to slow it down - stopping selling known pirates ships easily? lots of main corps still do it.
I know alts can but them but its a start i spose.
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Slagg
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Posted - 2004.01.13 19:17:00 -
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We have more isk than you Slothe.
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slothe
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Posted - 2004.01.13 19:23:00 -
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and more skills and more ships , more equipment, and better tactics..
did i miss anything?
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Warp away
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Posted - 2004.01.13 19:26:00 -
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just how do pirates earn isk? is shooting n00bs really that profitable?
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slothe
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Posted - 2004.01.13 19:29:00 -
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no its not usually. often they have alts that make cash
sometimes they do hit lucky as you will see in posts here whereby muppet pilots carry something valuable they then take.
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Miss Take
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Posted - 2004.01.13 19:31:00 -
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and more skills and more ships , more equipment, and better tactics..
did i miss anything?
I think you covered it all hun 
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Capn Blood
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Posted - 2004.01.13 19:42:00 -
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Ummm why slow down the pirates?
They're the only ones in a position to slow down the fat-cat megacyte monopolising alliances 
I'm seriously starting to think that it's the Alliances that are ebil and not the PieRats....
...damn I've been playing this game too long 
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"Trust no man who says to you that 'The ends justify the means' or who says that 'We will do whatever it takes...'.
These men have no honour, and are fit only to be politicians."
The book of Rab
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Wild Rho
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Posted - 2004.01.13 20:35:00 -
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Edited by: Wild Rho on 13/01/2004 20:35:58
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just how do pirates earn isk? is shooting n00bs really that profitable?
And the award goes to Warp Away for the dumbest response in the thread.
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Treylon
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Posted - 2004.01.13 20:46:00 -
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Stop feeding pirates. Steer hualers and other ppl from getting ganked by them and thus funding their activities. Pirates have to feed off of 'carebears' in order to survive. Cut off that supply and they will wither away.
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pooti
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Posted - 2004.01.13 20:54:00 -
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Yes, good idea. Redirect all the traffic. Close the trade routes. Keep people from transporting their goods to their manufacturing bases. Keep people from getting their ore to stations. Definitely the solution.
You idiot.
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Slagg
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Posted - 2004.01.13 21:28:00 -
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For your information Treylon, we're PC pirates for fun. Not ISK.
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DeWulfe
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Posted - 2004.01.13 23:45:00 -
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If the pirates are here to slow down the Alliances then why do they Pod or Pod kill everyone??
Even those ppl struggling just to get enough isk for their own crusier and not in a mega corp? and no i'm not whining as yet touch wood have not become a victim but a few close calls though..????????
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Skelator
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Posted - 2004.01.13 23:56:00 -
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Edited by: Skelator on 14/01/2004 00:01:47
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Yes, good idea. Redirect all the traffic. Close the trade routes. Keep people from transporting their goods to their manufacturing bases. Keep people from getting their ore to stations. Definitely the solution.
You idiot.
Actually it a Very Sound and Valid Solution!!
The Art of War : Chapter 11:
The art of war recognizes 9 situations:
Dispersive ground; Home turf. Dispersive because there's too much comfort, too close to home, and too easy for your men may leave. Don't fight here, take the fight to the enemy. Take a defensive posture.
Facile ground; Close to home turf. It facilitates men retreating to home. Again, don't stop, take the fight to the enemy. Keep your men busy and working together.
Contentious ground; Turf that both want, or both sides will contend for. Seize it first and secure it quickly. If the enemy is there first, don't fight here for it (they expect that), go for other contentious ground and lure him out. Attack where they aren't, are weak, or aren't expecting it.
Open ground; liberty of motion of information. Don't try to block the enemy here you will only fail. Keep a vigilant eye on defenses.
Intesections; key turf, routes of trade, control or information. Use power over this to share with others and make allies.
Serious ground; Hostile ground, in the enemy turf, but with some support and logistics. Use their resources to strengthen your defenses. Make sure you have enough supplies.
Difficult ground; Ground that is hard to move through or live in. Get through it without delay.
Hemmed-in ground; Ground that is easy to hold. Plan for the unexpected (and attack). Offer no chance for retreat, and no other choice but victory.
Desperate ground; Ground that requires immediate defense. Fight; attack. Snatch victory. Prepare to defend it to the death. Never give this up.
When invading hostile territory, the general principle is, that penetrating deeply brings cohesion; penetrating but a short way means dispersion.
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Tenacha Khan
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Posted - 2004.01.14 00:07:00 -
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just how do pirates earn isk? is shooting n00bs really that profitable?
lol....most pirates i know dont shoot frigs.
If a noob is in an indy..he aint a noob, if a noob is in a cruiser..he aint a noob, got it?
And if any noob comes out to 0.0, he deserves to be podded for stupidity
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S3VYN
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Posted - 2004.01.14 00:08:00 -
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Edited by: S3VYN on 14/01/2004 00:08:39
The reason the c0w boys are killing anyone is because they are "griefers" and not really pirates. Pirates, in the general sense of the term would still abide by certain codes of ethics.
Griefers may be found in any online game, searching for exploits, making fun of new players and generally striving to prove their interllectual superiority.
Trey is correct. Take away their fun and approach them with equal or greater force and they immediatlely become sniveling children. Use their own tactics against them and they immediately accuse you of "ganging up on them" or playing unfair.
Good quote from The Art of War... excellent book.
One quote from a dear friend of mine...
"Life's tough, but I'll be damned it's fair ain't it?"
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Hellspawn01
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Posted - 2004.01.14 00:13:00 -
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Edited by: Hellspawn01 on 14/01/2004 00:15:39
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And if any noob comes out to 0.0, he deserves to be podded for stupidity
The same thing said a hacker once. "If they got hacked, it¦s their fault cuz they couldn¦t secure their system. U make me sick.
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Tenacha Khan
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Posted - 2004.01.14 00:35:00 -
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Edited by: Hellspawn01 on 14/01/2004 00:15:39
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And if any noob comes out to 0.0, he deserves to be podded for stupidity
The same thing said a hacker once. "If they got hacked, it¦s their fault cuz they couldn¦t secure their system. U make me sick.
Why thank you.
I take child like delight in being quoted, especially by fools beacause it makes me feel wise.
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Derian Azorkin
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Posted - 2004.01.14 00:46:00 -
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Edited by: Derian Azorkin on 14/01/2004 00:53:32
Edited by: Derian Azorkin on 14/01/2004 00:52:34
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Stop feeding pirates. Steer hualers and other ppl from getting ganked by them and thus funding their activities. Pirates have to feed off of 'carebears' in order to survive. Cut off that supply and they will wither away.
You have got to be the most dumb pilot in the whole EvE Universe.
Stop and think about it.....what are you going to do about mining ,moving ore/minerals, ships you have to transfer,build things?....the way this sounds you are telling everyone to stay in the stations and "pirates" will go away. If you are going to do that, how are you going to make ISK?
Good idea there n00b...ill come and look you up in a month ses if you are still in a station.
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Jorlin
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Posted - 2004.01.14 01:32:00 -
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lol....most pirates i know dont shoot frigs.
of course not...
it's much easier to smartbomb them out of their ships
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no proper procedure, no rules of war;
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Courier Bob
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Posted - 2004.01.14 02:44:00 -
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Edited by: Courier Bob on 14/01/2004 02:48:48
im drunk
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Fairlane
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Posted - 2004.01.14 07:25:00 -
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Slothe : thought is good but what about us rich b*stards that have all the BP¦s and can produce our own ships???
Wallhack... aimbot... You name it!!!
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Lord Guerdo
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Posted - 2004.01.14 09:25:00 -
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How I see it is pirates are in a win / win situation.
If the nubs in their indies stop flying through 0.0 space then the pirates can mine the rare ore make cash build ships and smack down alliances, on the other hand if they dont we can wage war on the nub indies steal their cargo, make cash buy ships and smack down alliances.
Pretty much what ever you do we wil counter it in our favour, so you basically have to take your chances, do you sit in a station in the false hope of "the pirate will go away if i sit here long enough" and make 0 isk, or do you take the risk of making some isk but can end up with your arse handed to you on a plate.
Choice is yours.....
Lord Guerdo
Biomass Cartel
I mean c'mon, just think about it. What would make more sense then the 3 most hated alliances teaming up to lay waste to the people they all hate anyways? CA is already allied with PA, and TPS lies between the two alliances. Natural allies to be sure. But it's not just that, all but PA (and even some of them) have adopted a "stfu and die, or come and fight us, we don't give a **** what you think or do" philosophy, as well as a PvP Kill everyone not friend kind of mentality. These are the people in eve that kill or convert, the ones dedicated to the death of others, because history, circumstance, and the rest of eve have driven then to do so (except TPS, who are just cool ass pirates ). |
vampira
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Posted - 2004.01.14 09:40:00 -
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How I see it is pirates are in a win / win situation.
If the nubs in their indies stop flying through 0.0 space then the pirates can mine the rare ore make cash build ships and smack down alliances, on the other hand if they dont we can wage war on the nub indies steal their cargo, make cash buy ships and smack down alliances.
Pretty much what ever you do we wil counter it in our favour, so you basically have to take your chances, do you sit in a station in the false hope of "the pirate will go away if i sit here long enough" and make 0 isk, or do you take the risk of making some isk but can end up with your arse handed to you on a plate.
Choice is yours.....
Lord Guerdo
Biomass Cartel
your right, i think something needs to be done, the pirates are to powerfull, i dont think this was ever meant to be this way, the game needs pirates but not ones than can take on every alliance in eve,when less secure space isnt viable you'll move into other space making eve unviable for many players, way to go griefers,
Pirate
(n.) A robber on the high seas; one who by open violence takes the property of another on the high seas; especially, one who makes it his business to cruise for robbery or plunder; a freebooter on the seas; also, one who steals in a harbor.
cant see 'large alliance size fleet invasion' in there.
.Courage is fear that has said it's prayers.
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Negotiator
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Posted - 2004.01.14 09:44:00 -
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your right, i think something needs to be done, the pirates are to powerfull, i dont think this was ever meant to be this way, the game needs pirates but not ones than can take on every alliance in eve,when less secure space isnt viable you'll move into other space making eve unviable for many players, way to go griefers,
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL IM SORRY THAT CFS AND FA SUCK AND WE RULE...thats so great...
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Juan Andalusian
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Posted - 2004.01.14 09:55:00 -
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Ummm why slow down the pirates?
They're the only ones in a position to slow down the fat-cat megacyte monopolising alliances
I'm seriously starting to think that it's the Alliances that are ebil and not the PieRats....
...damn I've been playing this game too long
Finaly someone who gets it...
Rofl, yeah the alliances are all monopolising the megacyte and zydrine.
It's so hard to mine Mega and Zyd and then bring it back into empire space.
Those 0.4 - 0.1 blockades are really fearsome, and 0.0 blockades are impassable.
Every 0.0 system is crawling with pirates.
When you get unstuck from Yulai i recommend you work on yer travelling loadout a bit and take a ride in 0.0 space.
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Lord Guerdo
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Posted - 2004.01.14 09:58:00 -
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Thing is Vampira you have 1 advantage "Empire Space" us pirates with neg sec rating cant go there, that is your safe haven, this is where yuo can make some isk safely, running ghetto trade routes etc.
Us pirates out in unlawful territory dont have the luxury of using hyper jump lane thingies to get through regions in 2 jumps we have to take teh more scenic route, which then leads us to Bounty hunters. praying on pirates as best they can in 0.0 sapce, so it all balances out,
we provide the risk for you,
bounty hunters and irates provide risk for each other.
now stop being a whimp get out there so i can kill you....
Lord Guerdo
Biomass Cartel
I mean c'mon, just think about it. What would make more sense then the 3 most hated alliances teaming up to lay waste to the people they all hate anyways? CA is already allied with PA, and TPS lies between the two alliances. Natural allies to be sure. But it's not just that, all but PA (and even some of them) have adopted a "stfu and die, or come and fight us, we don't give a **** what you think or do" philosophy, as well as a PvP Kill everyone not friend kind of mentality. These are the people in eve that kill or convert, the ones dedicated to the death of others, because history, circumstance, and the rest of eve have driven then to do so (except TPS, who are just cool ass pirates ). |
vampira
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Posted - 2004.01.14 12:02:00 -
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im not sure what sec rating bars you from empire, but sally & 2 others were griefing yulai the other day, so not all pirates are barred from empire space, besides as you well know your alts keep you supplied in isk, equipement & ships.dont get me wrong, i like pirates in eve, its just the large scale invasions that seem un-pirate like.
.Courage is fear that has said it's prayers.
(Karle Wilson Baker)
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Lord Guerdo
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Posted - 2004.01.14 12:10:00 -
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Think you got the wrong end of the stick when i said smack down alliances. as far as im aware there isnt a pirate alliance that can take on ALL regional alliances. most pirate alliances attack 1 - 2 regions.
That said i think the idea of pirate nerfing is very shortsighted. why?. because we use the same equipment, same ships, same guns as everyone else in this game, were just more resourceful than the average joe, we use what we have to its fullest potential, purely because we have to.
"nerf pirates" just isnt a feasable option, and infact cant be done without nerfing everyone else in the process.
The risk we present was intended in the game design.
Sorry we make things too hard for you.
Lord Guerdo
Biomass Cartel
I mean c'mon, just think about it. What would make more sense then the 3 most hated alliances teaming up to lay waste to the people they all hate anyways? CA is already allied with PA, and TPS lies between the two alliances. Natural allies to be sure. But it's not just that, all but PA (and even some of them) have adopted a "stfu and die, or come and fight us, we don't give a **** what you think or do" philosophy, as well as a PvP Kill everyone not friend kind of mentality. These are the people in eve that kill or convert, the ones dedicated to the death of others, because history, circumstance, and the rest of eve have driven then to do so (except TPS, who are just cool ass pirates ). |
azrael211
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Posted - 2004.01.14 12:43:00 -
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your right, i think something needs to be done, the pirates are to powerfull, i dont think this was ever meant to be this way, the game needs pirates but not ones than can take on every alliance in eve,when less secure space isnt viable you'll move into other space making eve unviable for many players, way to go griefers,
So you know alliances want the space that they own and the space that they try to secure to maximise mining and production etc...this leads to a shortage of minerals that peeps need to a war breaksout this leads to boarders being shut and non alliance members KOS unless a treaty has been agreed. Piratrs can be stopped u just need some teamwork...its not just 1 pirate corp taking on an allience it is an alliance taking on an alliance.
Also for those complaining about not being able to get isk to buy ships...lol do a few agent missions at lvl 3 which will take about 3/4 days to get to from scratch and u can earn 1M isk for about 10 missions thats not inculding recycling all the stuff u get given which u could sell or u can just use the mins to make a ship...there are many ways of making isk in eve, pirating is not profitable unless u are very lucky and some idiot is carrying a bp in a ship not equip'd to travel with no support ships.
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Lifewire
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Posted - 2004.01.14 12:43:00 -
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Edited by: Lifewire on 14/01/2004 12:44:52
$$$ is the reason for nerving pirates. Pirates kill people and make them leave the game frustrated, because a lot of people ingame are simply born loosers (but paying 13$ aswell ). On the other hand a lot of pvp-interested players would also leave if the game would get too boring. Since the game started CCP was nerving pirates. Meanwhile the pirates always found another way to do their job - because they are no NPC-pirates - they have creativity. This is too much for the carebears. Sad game.
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McWatt
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Posted - 2004.01.14 14:29:00 -
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Does concern me slightly (you gits :P)
One way to slow it down - stopping selling known pirates ships easily? lots of main corps still do it.
I know alts can but them but its a start i spose.
hm, weird suggestion, but how about fighting back?
sorry, just an idea...
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Vindigo
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Posted - 2004.01.14 21:36:00 -
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the pirates in Yulai are just wannabes with frigates and no skill. The reason they can pod there is because of the bug.
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Tobruk
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Posted - 2004.01.14 22:58:00 -
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without pirates eve economy fails. we destroy ships. therfore new ships and wepons and mods must be built. ore must mined and purchased. bp must be copied and researched. work in general must be done to replace the lost ship.
in other words. don't hate pirates cuz were at the top of the food chain. love us cuz we make everyone rich. its the destruction of ships that produces the demand.
economics 101.
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S3VYN
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Posted - 2004.01.14 23:39:00 -
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Pirates are necessary, I won't call them evil because all in all they are players just like anyone else looking for a fun game to play.
Griefing is unacceptable. Killing Velators at a 1.0 gate is just lame game play. There are hundreds of other online games out there and EVERY one of them has the same problems. Thankfully the griefers and exploiters are among the minority in EVE. It's CCP's job to make sure it stays that way or gets better.
Honorable pirating (weird term, but seems to fit here) where a pirate simply preys on those who should A) Know better; B) Have something of REAL value; C) Can defend themselves or D) Has made themself an intentional target is actually a great part of the game. Basically, those guys are just the high level PvP folks who chose to house themselves in low security space instead of Empire space.
The absolute best case scenario would be to see some of the pirates who are truly enjoying the game for what it is turn on some of the griefers. They're giving you guys a terrible name and eventually they'll hurt you more than you more than they'll help you... again, happens in every game and I'm speaking from years of experience. You guys handle your own and Alliances won't have to do it for you. Continue to allow idiots to be part of your herd and you will face growing opposition.
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Ringlord
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Posted - 2004.01.15 01:21:00 -
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we also get good money from shooting newbs with dom orginals. hehe
Proud member of c0w
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John Coldwell
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Posted - 2004.01.15 06:03:00 -
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Whoever said shooting a frig was dishonorable, not worth it or whatever he said, is very wrong, I've shot down impairors with cargoholds full of rare minerals, I've taken down shuttles that had bp's / minerals / rare modules / skills. I only kill in 0.0, used to do empire, but like it better out in low sec space, where I can hug my gate, and use my ew kit too have the option of tolling people, but mostly where I can shoot people when I like where I like, I play this game only because of PvP, I don't have any alt too feed me money / ships. I just don't get this presumption of carebears saying that all pirates have mining alts and that's why we have big shiny ships |
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