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Shivan Wraith State War Academy Caldari State 0	Posted - 2012.01.04 04:07:00 - [1] - Quote I would like some CCP feedback on this if possible. What do you guys think of having an ability to delete unwanted skills? This would not include a refund of any skillpoints. Main reason behind this is to clean up your skillboard.
Alara IonStorm 1278	Posted - 2012.01.04 04:10:00 - [2] - Quote Clean it for what?..... Do you have guests coming over?
Palovana Inner Fire Inc. 76	Posted - 2012.01.04 04:12:00 - [3] - Quote I'm assuming because some skills might get you ridiculed/rejected when applying to a PVP corp. Something like: "You trained ICE HARVESTING to level V? GTFO!" Please support: export of settings in editable format Your stuff goes here.
Dirk Magnum Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan 176	Posted - 2012.01.04 04:12:00 - [4] - Quote This is the most baffling request I've ever seen. And the weird thing is this isn't the first time someone's requested this. Previous requests also didn't want SP refunds for the deleted skills either. "For example, if you are thinking about selling a Republic Fleet Firetail as a regular Firetail, be sure that the market volume is high on regular Firetails and that there are plenty of buy/sell contracts for Republic Fleet Firetails. [...] The players most interested in Republic Fleet Firetails are going to be players flying regular ones."-á -- PB
Alara IonStorm 1278	Posted - 2012.01.04 04:14:00 - [5] - Quote Dirk Magnum wrote: This is the most baffling request I've ever seen. And the weird thing is this isn't the first time someone's requested this. Previous requests also didn't want SP refunds for the deleted skills either. Perhaps it is a new kind of masochism.
Ai Shun State War Academy Caldari State 106	Posted - 2012.01.04 04:18:00 - [6] - Quote I'm trying to fit my incredulous face, but I don't have spare capacitor for that. Why would you want this rather than an option to HIDE skills?
Surfin's PlunderBunny Ponies for the Ethical Treatment of Asteroids 788	Posted - 2012.01.04 04:19:00 - [7] - Quote Why would I ever get rid of mining 1? It came with the character when I made it, it sets me apart
Shivan Wraith State War Academy Caldari State 0	Posted - 2012.01.04 04:24:00 - [8] - Quote Ex. Lets say you built a Amarr toon years ago, you were given Amarr frigate and/or you trained small energy turret to level 2. At that time you decided to go full Winmatar, never wanting to train anything Amarr again. Well instead of having 2 eyesore skills that are never used, just be able to nuke them.
Shivan Wraith State War Academy Caldari State 0	Posted - 2012.01.04 04:24:00 - [9] - Quote ^^ Or like Surfin said
Kehro Urgus Ab Obice Saevior 103	Posted - 2012.01.04 04:36:00 - [10] - Quote Shivan Wraith wrote: I would like some CCP feedback on this if possible. What do you guys think of having an ability to delete unwanted skills? This would not include a refund of any skillpoints. Main reason behind this is to clean up your skillboard. I had asked this in regard to strategic cruiser skills some time back, reason being I had serious issues with skills not applying and losing said ship. As far as I can tell the problem is still there from what I've seen on the test server. The response from the GM was a flat out no. The policy is skills will only be removed if it is a problem with the skill itself.
Ai Shun State War Academy Caldari State 106	Posted - 2012.01.04 04:39:00 - [11] - Quote Shivan Wraith wrote: Ex. Lets say you built a Amarr toon years ago, you were given Amarr frigate and/or you trained small energy turret to level 2. At that time you decided to go full Winmatar, never wanting to train anything Amarr again. Well instead of having 2 eyesore skills that are never used, just be able to nuke them. I can see the desire to have things tidy. I can't see why CCP would/should spend a finite resource to include it in the format you are suggesting. Think it through for a few seconds ... How many players do you honestly expect to make use of this functionality? 1% of the player base? More? Less? So how many hours would be needed to code it, test it (And I'd want deletion of skills to be thoroughly tested and have safe-guards in place) and so forth? Seems silly. How about the ability to create a resume for your character? This can be used in Corp applications or used to view your character. This way, you get a benefit in that you can submit only pertinent skills to a Corp when applying and you can view only those special skills that fit your mood. Even that has limited use though.
dukonata The Drake Project The Dominion Empire 5	Posted - 2012.01.04 05:23:00 - [12] - Quote doesn't the skill points also affect the price of clones? Maybe started a miner years ago and wants to clear out 1-2mil skill points to make it a little cheaper
Alara IonStorm 1278	Posted - 2012.01.04 05:27:00 - [13] - Quote dukonata wrote: doesn't the skill points also affect the price of clones? Maybe started a miner years ago and wants to clear out 1-2mil skill points to make it a little cheaper Clones are not mandatory. If you don't buy one all you loose is... OP I think I may have solved your problem.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE 58	Posted - 2012.01.04 05:41:00 - [14] - Quote awww but I just wanna nuke mining lv 1 off my char sheet :(
Jita Alt666 851	Posted - 2012.01.04 05:46:00 - [15] - Quote Shivan Wraith wrote: Ex. Lets say you built a Amarr toon years ago, you were given Amarr frigate and/or you trained small energy turret to level 2. At that time you decided to go full Winmatar, never wanting to train anything Amarr again. Well instead of having 2 eyesore skills that are never used, just be able to nuke them. How about you be patient, max out your winmatar skills, then once they are all 5s, cross train amarr to keep things tidy.
Kahega Amielden Rifterlings 58	Posted - 2012.01.04 05:49:00 - [16] - Quote Quote: I'm assuming because some skills might get you ridiculed/rejected when applying to a PVP corp. Something like: "You trained ICE HARVESTING to level V? GTFO!" Alternatively, you could join corps without pretentious assholes.
FIX IT The Midnight Sun 0	Posted - 2012.01.04 06:31:00 - [17] - Quote I would very much like that option, however ccp will never be so nice as to do it. to those who ask why would anyone ever want to - to me the character sheet is like... a bonzai tree. you need to trim it sometimes to make it just right. no i dont want to have some of the skills i have on it, no i did not make a "mistake" these skills were forced upon me during character creation, so the only "mistake" was signing up to eve. i have never used them. i never will. to the haters - how can us removing skills/skill points from our character sheets and geting nothing back possibly unblance the game for you? clearly there are people to whom this is an issue. sure its a minor one. a minor eye sore that has been there for years every time i look at a character sheet.
Ai Shun State War Academy Caldari State 106	Posted - 2012.01.04 07:35:00 - [18] - Quote FIX IT wrote: to the haters - how can us removing skills/skill points from our character sheets and geting nothing back possibly unblance the game for you? It won't, oh one unversed in the finer arts of reading and comprehension. It will however consume finite development and testing resources that could be better spent on something that will affect and be useful to more than just 2 players. Cost / benefit ratios and all that, you know.
Fredo Lai Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 3	Posted - 2012.01.04 07:55:00 - [19] - Quote Worst idea I have ever seen. I paid for the time to train those skills. I would expect a refund equal to what I am removing. PS . bad economics = bad economics
CausticS0da Viziam Amarr Empire 17	Posted - 2012.01.04 08:47:00 - [20] - Quote It's called OCD.
Mara Tessidar Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 321	Posted - 2012.01.04 08:49:00 - [21] - Quote Alara IonStorm wrote: Clones are not mandatory. If you don't buy one all you loose is... OP I think I may have solved your problem. Your presence in this thread is outstanding. Notify: You are eaten by the Whumpus http://goo.gl/uX5vk
Othran Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 123	Posted - 2012.01.04 09:12:00 - [22] - Quote No. If you want to build a "racially pure" character then you do it from the start and you stick to it. You trained the skills, you live with them Quite apart from anything else, "racially pure" characters are significantly more valuable than "impure" characters and the reason is because they are RARER. Start again if it bothers you that much.
Tore Vest Vikinghall 128	Posted - 2012.01.04 09:14:00 - [23] - Quote This gave me a brainstorm
Siigari Kitawa Push Industries Push Interstellar Network 80	Posted - 2012.01.04 11:41:00 - [24] - Quote Honestly, the more SP you grow into the less of a visual impact that 500k SP in Industry will affect you. Once you have 40-50 million SP in spaceship command, you won't even see Industry anymore. Need stuff moved? Push Industries will handle it. Servicing highsec and lowsec - and we do it faster and more reliably than anyone else. Ingame channel: PUSHX
Gilbaron Free-Space-Ranger Ev0ke 65	Posted - 2012.01.04 13:00:00 - [25] - Quote i endorse this project and or service ! dont want gunnery III and small hybrids I and small projectile III dont even know where they came from :(
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 4276	Posted - 2012.01.04 13:07:00 - [26] - Quote If you just want to remove the skills without refund, simply to assuage your OCD, then fine. Getting SP back? Not a chance. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs.
MadMuppet Kerguelen Station 69	Posted - 2012.01.04 13:28:00 - [27] - Quote CausticS0da wrote: It's called OCD. In this case it is CDO, the condition is so severe they have to say it in alphabetical order. Yes, I only have a Vigil, I've had a bad bit of luck Ok?
Syphon Lodian Fabled Enterprises 20	Posted - 2012.01.04 13:33:00 - [28] - Quote What next, eugenics?
Skydell Space Mermaids 87	Posted - 2012.01.04 13:35:00 - [29] - Quote No matter how much I want to I will never scrape 6 years of EVE from my brain. If asked about why you trained mining skills, tell people you were training to be bait.
Rodj Blake PIE Inc. 652	Posted - 2012.01.04 13:49:00 - [30] - Quote I have some Caldari ship skills that I've not used in over eight years, and I will probably never use them again. Do I want to get rid of them? Not really. I'd much rather the devs used their time to code something that was actually useful. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
SmegB Onyx Brotherhood STR8NGE BREW 18	Posted - 2012.01.04 14:04:00 - [31] - Quote That is probably the dumbest thing i have ever heard.
Chandaris Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel 34	Posted - 2012.01.04 15:39:00 - [32] - Quote I'm a badass pirate, I can fly a hulk, and I can use tech 2 mining drones. Yes, I do have Daytrading to 4 and gallente industrial to v.. got a problem? undock and tell me that :3
FloppieTheBanjoClown The Skunkworks Petition Blizzard 736	Posted - 2012.01.04 15:55:00 - [33] - Quote Palovana wrote: I'm assuming because some skills might get you ridiculed/rejected when applying to a PVP corp. Something like: "You trained ICE HARVESTING to level V? GTFO!" Any PVP corp with that attitude will just see perfectly good pilots going to their rivals because they think that if you didn't set out to do PVP in the first week of your Eve career, you clearly aren't as awesome as they are.
FloppieTheBanjoClown The Skunkworks Petition Blizzard 736	Posted - 2012.01.04 16:06:00 - [34] - Quote Skydell wrote: If asked about why you trained mining skills, tell people you were training to be bait. Or, the truth: I tried mining, found out it sucks, still have the skills. My corp did a lot of mining stuff and I could afk mine while watching movies. I lived in a wormhole where mining can actually be somewhat profitable if you can stand it. There was a lot of time when I could be on Eve but not really pay attention to it all the time, so I trained some mining skills to afk mine and make extra isk. Follow any of those with "got a problem with that?" and you're fine.
Barkaial Starfinder The Kairos Syndicate Transmission Lost 9	Posted - 2012.01.04 16:17:00 - [35] - Quote Past is not to be erased .
Sirinda Offworld Miners and Fabricators Guild 24	Posted - 2012.01.04 16:50:00 - [36] - Quote I can't help but think this is some kind of elaborate attempt at trolling. If so, 8/10.
Shivan Wraith State War Academy Caldari State 4	Posted - 2012.01.04 17:01:00 - [37] - Quote Not a troll. I guess I have OCD. I just do not like seeing unused skills on my skillsheets and would have liked an option to remove some. If that takes a lot of time to code then forget it. If it was something simple and other were interested (which it seems most would rather qq) then I would have liked to see something implemented. My biggest concern asking this was accidental skill deletions and the petitions that would ensue. (Which nobody brought up) Yes CCP is loaded with a laundry list of things to do. Yes they are going in the right direction again. If you look at any expansion notes I'm sure most of you only cared about a handful of changes out of a thousand. I just wanted one of the next thousand to have that ability. Flame away...
Large Collidable Object morons. 895	Posted - 2012.01.04 17:01:00 - [38] - Quote There are some skills I might want to erase without any refund - e.g. I have afterburner V on one of my accounts, yet for obvious reasons I'd want it lower. If I had TSM V on any of my accounts, I'd remove that too as it only increases JC costs (luckily, I don't have it). However, It was my improper planning at the time - I made the mistake, so I have to deal with the consequences. Eve used to be a game where decisions used to have an impact and I liked that fact. Reoccuring remaps are terrible already, so I'd rather deal with my mistake than seeing eve watered down further and further. morons- sting like a butterfly and-ápost like a bee.
Petrus Blackshell Rifterlings 182	Posted - 2012.01.04 17:21:00 - [39] - Quote Kahega Amielden wrote: Quote: I'm assuming because some skills might get you ridiculed/rejected when applying to a PVP corp. Something like: "You trained ICE HARVESTING to level V? GTFO!" Alternatively, you could join corps without pretentious assholes. GTFO
Halcyon Ingenium Prometheus Research LLC 119	Posted - 2012.01.04 17:27:00 - [40] - Quote CausticS0da wrote: It's called OCD. This is pretty much it, that's what this is about. That which always was, and is, and will be everlasting fire, the same for all, the cosmos, made neither by god nor man, replenishes in measure as it burns away. -Heraclitus
Something Random The Barrow Boys 114	Posted - 2012.01.04 18:46:00 - [41] - Quote Mara Tessidar wrote: Alara IonStorm wrote: Clones are not mandatory. If you don't buy one all you loose is... OP I think I may have solved your problem. Your presence in this thread is outstanding. The first comment was outstanding. "caught on fire a little bit, just a little." "Delinquents, check, weirdos, check, hippies, check, pillheads, check, freaks, check, potheads, check .....gangsn++ all here!"
Velarra Ghost Festival Naraka. 33	Posted - 2012.01.04 18:53:00 - [42] - Quote I'd go for this asap. I have no desire for any sp refund on skills i'd remove, simply pure deletion of skills from sheet. Some were never wanted, were forced at creation and are not required at all for the way i choose to play eve. Yes, it's purely about aesthetics.
Vertisce Soritenshi Varion Galactic Tragedy. 893	Posted - 2012.01.04 19:06:00 - [43] - Quote While I would prefer the option to be able to pay ISK or even AUR for partial SP refund, I don't see any reason why an option to simply delete skills would hurt anybody. Again...if you don't want to use the feature...don't use it. Unfortunately you would still have people rage over it anyway...idiots... At the very least an option to delete skills given at character creation. Those shouldn't be refundable anyway. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!!
Velicitia Open Designs 430	Posted - 2012.01.04 19:47:00 - [44] - Quote Vertisce Soritenshi wrote: While I would prefer the option to be able to pay ISK or even AUR for partial SP refund, I don't see any reason why an option to simply delete skills would hurt anybody. Again...if you don't want to use the feature...don't use it. Unfortunately you would still have people rage over it anyway...idiots... At the very least an option to delete skills given at character creation. Those shouldn't be refundable anyway. because you know that when you go to delete that "useless" Gallente Battleship skill, you're really gonna end up deleting "Amarr Titan" (which happens to be L5, no less) and then rage all over the forums about how it's not fair that they let you delete that skill and you should be reimbursed the 5bn ISK you just trashed ...
ShipToaster 91	Posted - 2012.01.04 19:55:00 - [45] - Quote Is the only skill worth deleting not the afterburner duration one as it can affect PvP because you cant dual prop as well as a toon without this skill? I would like to delete that one from the game or swap it to an afterburner cap reduction one (or double the cost and effect if their is already an ab cap reduction skill because I think there might be but cant be bothered checking). Gosh CCP are so darn nice and CCP Guard is the best of all...
Vertisce Soritenshi Varion Galactic Tragedy. 894	Posted - 2012.01.04 19:59:00 - [46] - Quote Velicitia wrote: Vertisce Soritenshi wrote: While I would prefer the option to be able to pay ISK or even AUR for partial SP refund, I don't see any reason why an option to simply delete skills would hurt anybody. Again...if you don't want to use the feature...don't use it. Unfortunately you would still have people rage over it anyway...idiots... At the very least an option to delete skills given at character creation. Those shouldn't be refundable anyway. because you know that when you go to delete that "useless" Gallente Battleship skill, you're really gonna end up deleting "Amarr Titan" (which happens to be L5, no less) and then rage all over the forums about how it's not fair that they let you delete that skill and you should be reimbursed the 5bn ISK you just trashed ... lol...I was going to make a comment to that effect but I deleted it. But yes...this would be an absolute outcome of the option to delete skills. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!!
Nisa Darksoul Hedion University Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2012.01.04 20:07:00 - [47] - Quote Having the ability to delete skills does not solve the problem with the afterburner skill - it just mitigates a symptom. The real issue is that you want to be able to turn the damned thing on and off quickly, and getting more ranks in the skill makes your reaction time slower. Solution is to change out for a cap reduction or better yet a MASSIVE cap reduction coupled with a MASSIVE decrease in cycle time (the thing cycles every half second or so, but balanced so that it uses the same cap as the current AB V).
Sebastian N Cain Aliastra Gallente Federation 103	Posted - 2012.01.04 20:41:00 - [48] - Quote Velicitia wrote: Vertisce Soritenshi wrote: While I would prefer the option to be able to pay ISK or even AUR for partial SP refund, I don't see any reason why an option to simply delete skills would hurt anybody. Again...if you don't want to use the feature...don't use it. Unfortunately you would still have people rage over it anyway...idiots... At the very least an option to delete skills given at character creation. Those shouldn't be refundable anyway. because you know that when you go to delete that "useless" Gallente Battleship skill, you're really gonna end up deleting "Amarr Titan" (which happens to be L5, no less) and then rage all over the forums about how it's not fair that they let you delete that skill and you should be reimbursed the 5bn ISK you just trashed ... Well, this is rather an argument in favor of skill deletion. 1. If someone is stupid enough to accidentally delete his titan skill, he should definitely get the opportunity to do so because he absolutely deserves to have that skill taken from him. 2. Also i would welcome the opportunity to thouroughly laugh such an idiot and his raging off, it would be quite funny. "You either need less science fiction or more medication." "Or less medication and more ammo!"
Mashie Saldana Veto. Veto Corp 360	Posted - 2012.01.04 22:23:00 - [49] - Quote This feature would add value to some characters seen in the bazaar where morons have inject every skill they had the pre-requisite for and left them at 0. Dominique Vasilkovsky Mashie Saldana Monica Foulkes
Rixiu North Star Networks The Kadeshi 63	Posted - 2012.01.04 22:24:00 - [50] - Quote I've seen people wanting to pay for SP, but never that they want to pay to REMOVE SP. You son, are wierd.
Mashie Saldana Veto. Veto Corp 361	Posted - 2012.01.04 23:23:00 - [51] - Quote Rixiu wrote: I've seen people wanting to pay for SP, but never that they want to pay to REMOVE SP. You son, are wierd. Oh noes, my SP backbone, what would I do if I lost the 100k SP I have in industry?? Dominique Vasilkovsky Mashie Saldana Monica Foulkes
Ai Shun State War Academy Caldari State 107	Posted - 2012.01.04 23:33:00 - [52] - Quote Vertisce Soritenshi wrote: Again...if you don't want to use the feature...don't use it. Unfortunately you would still have people rage over it anyway...idiots... Vertisce Soritenshi wrote: ol...I was going to make a comment to that effect but I deleted it. But yes...this would be an absolute outcome of the option to delete skills. So you have made the connection between what would be a rarely used "feature" and stupidity. When you've made the connection with development resources, quality assurance and customer support as well we can have a chat about "idiots" and the folly of suggesting those aware of the full impact should simply not use the feature. In case you missed it (Numbers are thumbsucked for illustration): Delaying something that 10 players would use to implement something 5 players would use is bad. Implementing something with a high risk to players and CCP is bad. Implementing something that is likely to cost increased support and put additional burden on an already strained system is bad. Now, don't see that as dismissing the desired OUTCOME entirely. It simply means a BETTER mechanism is needed than the ****** one suggested to date. One that has an application in more than one area, is exposed to a larger swathe of the player base and will have use for them and one that has not such an intensive Quality Assurance and support burden and that will deliver the same outcome. That would be clever, wouldn't it?
Taedrin Kushan Industrial 307	Posted - 2012.01.04 23:38:00 - [53] - Quote Despite what everyone is saying, there is a legitimate reason to want this sort of functionality. The more SP you have, the more expensive your clones get. Deleting some unnecessary skills which you have accumulated on your character can be enough to bump you down to a cheaper clone. Mind you, this would ONLY be desirable by a rational player (in the sense of Game Theory) if they were getting podded a lot - and then they would probably be doing something very, VERY wrong in their PvP.

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