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Zikka The Establishment	Posted - 2007.06.15 11:27:00 - [31] Originally by: Chronus26 The Moros actually has poor DPS without drones. Ion Siege Blaster cannons have too poor a range to be useful for POS sieges, so you by default need to use Dual 1000mm Railguns which pretty much have the poorest DPS from a Capital weapon. The drones dont really make up for that. Heres a thought for ya, shoot its drones! It can only carry 4 waves of Heavies... I dont really see this 'imbalance' you're talkign about... It gets a 250% bonus to both HP AND DAMAGE. So that means that your 5 ogre 2s are in fact THIRTY ogre 2s both in terms of damage you need to do and damage taken from them. But it's worse than that - because while I can one or two volley a dominix's heavy drones using precision missiles vs a Moros's drones that will barely dent their shields, so he just recalls them and launches more. Even if you do kill them he has drone bay sufficient to store a huge number of replacements. I agree with the others, the bonus should be changed to 20% or possibly even changed to 30% on damage only with no boost to hp.
Lilan Kahn Amarr The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.06.15 11:35:00 - [32] Originally by: Zikka Originally by: Chronus26 The Moros actually has poor DPS without drones. Ion Siege Blaster cannons have too poor a range to be useful for POS sieges, so you by default need to use Dual 1000mm Railguns which pretty much have the poorest DPS from a Capital weapon. The drones dont really make up for that. Heres a thought for ya, shoot its drones! It can only carry 4 waves of Heavies... I dont really see this 'imbalance' you're talkign about... It gets a 250% bonus to both HP AND DAMAGE. So that means that your 5 ogre 2s are in fact THIRTY ogre 2s both in terms of damage you need to do and damage taken from them. But it's worse than that - because while I can one or two volley a dominix's heavy drones using precision missiles vs a Moros's drones that will barely dent their shields, so he just recalls them and launches more. Even if you do kill them he has drone bay sufficient to store a huge number of replacements. I agree with the others, the bonus should be changed to 20% or possibly even changed to 30% on damage only with no boost to hp. er fit smat bomb bye bye drones Originally by: Eris Discordia We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
Damned Force	Posted - 2007.06.15 11:49:00 - [33] Originally by: Lilan Kahn Originally by: Zikka Originally by: Chronus26 The Moros actually has poor DPS without drones. Ion Siege Blaster cannons have too poor a range to be useful for POS sieges, so you by default need to use Dual 1000mm Railguns which pretty much have the poorest DPS from a Capital weapon. The drones dont really make up for that. Heres a thought for ya, shoot its drones! It can only carry 4 waves of Heavies... I dont really see this 'imbalance' you're talkign about... It gets a 250% bonus to both HP AND DAMAGE. So that means that your 5 ogre 2s are in fact THIRTY ogre 2s both in terms of damage you need to do and damage taken from them. But it's worse than that - because while I can one or two volley a dominix's heavy drones using precision missiles vs a Moros's drones that will barely dent their shields, so he just recalls them and launches more. Even if you do kill them he has drone bay sufficient to store a huge number of replacements. I agree with the others, the bonus should be changed to 20% or possibly even changed to 30% on damage only with no boost to hp. er fit smat bomb bye bye drones U tried to kill with SB's an ogre II with +250% hp bonus??
Lilan Kahn Amarr The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.06.15 12:04:00 - [34] Originally by: Damned Force Originally by: Lilan Kahn Originally by: Zikka Originally by: Chronus26 The Moros actually has poor DPS without drones. Ion Siege Blaster cannons have too poor a range to be useful for POS sieges, so you by default need to use Dual 1000mm Railguns which pretty much have the poorest DPS from a Capital weapon. The drones dont really make up for that. Heres a thought for ya, shoot its drones! It can only carry 4 waves of Heavies... I dont really see this 'imbalance' you're talkign about... It gets a 250% bonus to both HP AND DAMAGE. So that means that your 5 ogre 2s are in fact THIRTY ogre 2s both in terms of damage you need to do and damage taken from them. But it's worse than that - because while I can one or two volley a dominix's heavy drones using precision missiles vs a Moros's drones that will barely dent their shields, so he just recalls them and launches more. Even if you do kill them he has drone bay sufficient to store a huge number of replacements. I agree with the others, the bonus should be changed to 20% or possibly even changed to 30% on damage only with no boost to hp. er fit smat bomb bye bye drones U tried to kill with SB's an ogre II with +250% hp bonus?? yes i have killed figters too Originally by: Eris Discordia We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
Chronus26 Gallente Team Laser Explosion Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.15 12:11:00 - [35] Edited by: Chronus26 on 15/06/2007 12:10:42 Ogre II + Moros bonus is still less HP than a Fighter, and Fighters get popped pretty quick under fire. HP means nothing with no resists and no regeneration. -----
Damned Force	Posted - 2007.06.15 12:13:00 - [36] Just killing fighters is much easier as to kill Ogre II's with +250% hitpoint :)
Lilan Kahn Amarr The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.06.15 12:20:00 - [37] Originally by: Damned Force Edited by: Damned Force on 15/06/2007 12:16:31 Just killing fighters is much easier as to kill Ogre II's with +250% hitpoint :) And they cost 19m and u have no 3 full sets i can field 2 wings of fighters on a carrier i can field 2 and half wing on a mother ship please stop being a general troll Originally by: Eris Discordia We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
Chronus26 Gallente Team Laser Explosion Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.15 12:31:00 - [38] Originally by: Damned Force Just killing fighters is much easier as to kill Ogre II's with +250% hitpoint :) Ogre IIs have LESS HP than fighters EVEN WITH the bonus. Looksey: (Assume Dread 5 (+250%) and Drone Durability 5 (+25%)) Ogre II: Base Shield HP: 269 Base Armor HP: 576 Base Hull HP: 1421 Total HP: 2266 With bonuses: Shield HP: 1177 Armor HP: 2520 Hull HP: 6217 Total HP: 9914 Firbolg Fighter: (Skill bonuses don't apply to fighters so only base stats count) Base Shield HP: 2500 Base Armor HP: 3000 Base Hull HP: 4500 Total HP: 10000 Ok, only slightly more. They have the same sig radius, and i've never seen anybody complain that Fighters are too hard to kill, so I don't see where your argument about their HP is coming from. -----
Damned Force	Posted - 2007.06.15 12:31:00 - [39] Originally by: Lilan Kahn Originally by: Damned Force Edited by: Damned Force on 15/06/2007 12:16:31 Just killing fighters is much easier as to kill Ogre II's with +250% hitpoint :) And they cost 19m and u have no 3 full sets i can field 2 wings of fighters on a carrier i can field 2 and half wing on a mother ship please stop being a general troll how u can fit 2 wings into the carrier? carrier can launch max 15 figters which doing 1500dps(on avarge, not counting the damage bonus for thanatos) how the hell u can put 30 fighters into a carrier which have max 100k m3 drone bay and 1 fighter is 5k m3. by me is that max 20 fighter. In the mothership u can launch max 25 fighters(sure they doo than more damage - 2500 dps). The mothership have 250k m3 dronebay max which means 50 figthers(and thats on the NYX with extra big drone bay)
Chronus26 Gallente Team Laser Explosion Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.15 12:34:00 - [40] Originally by: Damned Force Originally by: Lilan Kahn Originally by: Damned Force Edited by: Damned Force on 15/06/2007 12:16:31 Just killing fighters is much easier as to kill Ogre II's with +250% hitpoint :) And they cost 19m and u have no 3 full sets i can field 2 wings of fighters on a carrier i can field 2 and half wing on a mother ship please stop being a general troll how u can fit 2 wings into the carrier? carrier can launch max 15 figters which doing 1500dps(on avarge, not counting the damage bonus for thanatos) how the hell u can put 30 fighters into a carrier which have max 100k m3 drone bay and 1 fighter is 5k m3. by me is that max 20 fighter. In the mothership u can launch max 25 fighters(sure they doo than more damage - 2500 dps). The mothership have 250k m3 dronebay max which means 50 figthers(and thats on the NYX with extra big drone bay) Because a combat fit Carrier will be launching 10-12 fighters, not 15. Thats near enough 2 waves. Nobody sane would fit 5 Drone Control Units on a Combat Carrier. -----
Damned Force	Posted - 2007.06.15 12:45:00 - [41] Yes, but if u readed the whole thread u can see that we talked about max. if u launch just 10-12 than u have 1000-1200dps almost the same as the moros from drones, just u can lauch 2 time from a carrier and the moros can launch 4. and if the moros get drones popped, still have weapons what a carrier dont have, and if he lost the drones is much less money. I just say, that is not really the most ballanced thing that a dread can put out comparable damage with drones as a carrier
Lilan Kahn Amarr The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.06.15 12:52:00 - [42] Originally by: Damned Force Yes, but if u readed the whole thread u can see that we talked about max. if u launch just 10-12 than u have 1000-1200dps almost the same as the moros from drones, just u can lauch 2 time from a carrier and the moros can launch 4. and if the moros get drones popped, still have weapons what a carrier dont have, and if he lost the drones is much less money. I just say, that is not really the most ballanced thing that a dread can put out comparable damage with drones as a carrier you'r bit silly now a combat fitted carrier is lunching 9-11 fighters. it wil have smart bombs and capital remotes fitted any one putting drones on a combat fitted carrier wil lose them so stupidly quick it wont realy matter Originally by: Eris Discordia We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
Damned Force	Posted - 2007.06.15 12:56:00 - [43] Originally by: Lilan Kahn Originally by: Damned Force Yes, but if u readed the whole thread u can see that we talked about max. if u launch just 10-12 than u have 1000-1200dps almost the same as the moros from drones, just u can lauch 2 time from a carrier and the moros can launch 4. and if the moros get drones popped, still have weapons what a carrier dont have, and if he lost the drones is much less money. I just say, that is not really the most ballanced thing that a dread can put out comparable damage with drones as a carrier you'r bit silly now a combat fitted carrier is lunching 9-11 fighters. it wil have smart bombs and capital remotes fitted any one putting drones on a combat fitted carrier wil lose them so stupidly quick it wont realy matter U dont understood what i ment. Sorry, my english is a bit poor :(

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