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Selnix
Gallente
Master Miners
Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.15 02:21:00 -
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Congratulations Inventors. Revelations II brings to us a new market, tech II drones and ammo, unless you are Caldari. Having looked over the tech I blueprints for several ammunition types, it is apparent that Gallente is definitely the way to go. Hybrid tech II ammo will be invented solely using the Gallente Encryption Methods skill, as will all tech II drones. While Minmatar and Amarr will be able to invent tech II projectile and energy weapon ammunition, those skilled in Caldari Encryption Methods will only have the ability to invent a small sampling of the Tech II missiles/torpedoes/rockets.
The light, heavy assault, heavy and cruise missiles appear to have been divided up among the races based on damage type where Amarr get the EM, Gallente get the Thermal, Minniemousematar get the Explosive and Caldari are only accorded the Kinetics. Any possibility of an actual method to the madness goes out the window when you get to torpedoes though, with Caldari having invention ability for the Explosive and EM, while Minmatar have Kinetic and Gallente keep the Thermals. Rockets follow a similar, but different theme with the Minmatar being able to invent on the Kinetic and Explosive while Amarr get EM and Gallente once more get the Thermal.
I fail to see how the Caldari apparently only produce such a very limited selection of tech II ammunition while the other races, having very few ships outside of the Matari ones with a significant number of launcher hardpoints are able to produce both their racial canon ammuntion types and a sampling of missiles of nearly every size.
Moreover, I REALLY fail to see how the Gallente are the only producers of tech II drones in the galaxy. Tech II shield maintenance bots are a decent example, though I'm sure all of us Gallente are professional shield tankers (shame they're nerfing my Drake too). It is a laugh though that tech II combat drones, which require some level of a racial drone specialization skill to be able to use them are not able to be invented by the races whose skills are required.
Summation: Please confirm/deny that the skill requirement spread for tech II drone/ammunition invention is all just a big mistake by some code monkey after a long night at the pub. 
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Arushia
Nova Labs
Empire Research
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Posted - 2007.06.15 04:21:00 -
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The gallente interface can only do blasters, mining gear, and a few EW modules. The caldari interface can already do all rails, shield gear, ECM, and electronics ugpgrades.
Rev II trys to bring the gallente interface in-line with the rest.
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B4NK
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Posted - 2007.06.15 09:42:00 -
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hey hey
I totally agree. Drone invention should be restricted to race.
Gallente can have all logistic drones if you want to bring them inline with other races but plZ oh PLZ let each race invent their own combat drones.
Minmatar - Projectile
Gallente - Hybrid
Caldari - Missiles
Amarrian - LaZorZ
I havent check through the ammo ads detailed but I agree that each race should still get their primary weapon AND ammo
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Eleana Tomelac
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.06.15 10:06:00 -
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I have an idea for you to spend time on :
List all the stuff each interface can build and see if they are all as useful as others.
Maybe it is strange for the torps, but it seems right for the others.
Each race has a bonus on one missile damage.
For drones, look at where you find the drone ships, and see the link with the drone invention.
Also, I have been told the gallente interface was useless because theonly good thing you can do with is blasters and ships while the amarr one has the armor tanking and the caldari one the railguns, launchers, shield tanking and ECMs.
This seemed like more was in the caldari interface because they knew where they would add the drones and missiles.
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Snake Jankins
Minmatar
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.06.15 10:29:00 -
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 Originally by: Eleana Tomelac
Also, I have been told the gallente interface was useless because theonly good thing you can do with is blasters and ships while the amarr one has the armor tanking and the caldari one the railguns, launchers, shield tanking and ECMs.
EW invention is mostly gallente, but since the prices were so low for jammers, inventing them was not really worth it I think.
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B4NK
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Posted - 2007.06.15 10:55:00 -
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Edited by: B4NK on 15/06/2007 10:57:31
what about the hulk ?
what about the minnie craphole rigs ?
what about DRONE SPECIALIZATION !!!!
Gallente arent the only drone race. Yes they are drone users more then the others but they arent exclusive.
Minmatar - Projectiles/missiles/drones
Caldari - Missiles/hybrids
Amarr - Lasers
Gallente - Hybrids/drones
I guess matari are ****** the most tbh. Always have been, always will be.
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Gaogan
Gallente
Solar Storm
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2007.06.16 05:28:00 -
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I'm still waiting for them to make the me/pe on the input bpc matter like they said would in the dev blog. And to make the runs matter for ships.
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Razvedchitsa
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Posted - 2007.06.16 11:48:00 -
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Maybe its worth checking what can be invented with caldari module interface vs gallente module interface right now? Things like 425 rails, cloaks, electronic staff, etc, etc...???
It just seems it is a nature of soem people to whine about anything just for the sake of it.
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Christopher Dalran
Gallente
Deadly Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.16 13:39:00 -
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Edited by: Christopher Dalran on 16/06/2007 13:39:22
Gallente invention was rather slim, sure we got alot of ones like mining ships and hybrids but alot of modules that would make sense to give to use ended up with the other races. We dont have railgun invention (caldari took that and even managed to get ALL the missile modules uncluding the ballistic control unit), caldari also got the damage mod for hybrids and we dont even get to invent any of the tanking modules. We've got sensor dampers but alot of the electronic and ew modules went elsewere. We needed more invention jobs, if caldari get all the missiles + the ammo and half the hybrid guns (rails) should we not get all the hybrid ammo?
Sure other races use the drones but we are the drone specialists, if anyone is going to invent the t2 then it should be us (again out list of t2 invention jobs was prety short compared to the others and many things that would have made sense to come to us went elsewhere).
Then again anyone can get any of the skillbooks without being that particular race so the point is moot, just invent with another race untill you can afford to get the next encryptions skillbook. Is it just me or in this case and when ships are involved do people tend to assume you can only use what is attached to your race?
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Jocca Quinn
Matari BackBone
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Posted - 2007.06.16 19:38:00 -
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It does look a bit unfair to give the Gallente all the drones and then split the missiles by damage types.
What applies to one should apply to the other.
Laser Crystals to the Amarr
Projectile ammo to the Minmatar
Hybrid ammo and Drones to the Gallente (as they are more the "gun" race and need some extra invention area's)
Missiles to the Caldari
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Deva Blackfire
Viziam
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Posted - 2007.06.16 19:46:00 -
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Ummm are you all racists or something?
Good inventor = all races. Thats why i win over others \o/
(just finishing minmatar stuff... need 2 more days :)
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Selnix
Gallente
Master Miners
Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.17 05:05:00 -
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Originally by: Razvedchitsa
Maybe its worth checking what can be invented with caldari module interface vs gallente module interface right now? Things like 425 rails, cloaks, electronic staff, etc, etc...???
It just seems it is a nature of soem people to whine about anything just for the sake of it.
So you're saying that because the module invention was seeded out of balance that it should be evened up by unbalancing the ammunition invention? There were threads when invention came out detailing what could and could not be invented by using each race's interfaces and nothing ever came about to give the Gallente one much use. Oh, and way to go on posting with your main there.
Originally by: Christopher Dalran
We dont have railgun invention (caldari took that and even managed to get ALL the missile modules uncluding the ballistic control unit), caldari also got the damage mod for hybrids and we dont even get to invent any of the tanking modules. We've got sensor dampers but alot of the electronic and ew modules went elsewere. We needed more invention jobs, if caldari get all the missiles + the ammo and half the hybrid guns (rails) should we not get all the hybrid ammo?
Might want to re-read the post... Caldari do NOT get the hybrid ammo, nor do they get 75% of the missiles. That leaves them with 25% of the ammo they use, as opposed to the other races getting 100% of their canon weapons ammo.
Originally by: Christopher Dalran
Sure other races use the drones but we are the drone specialists, if anyone is going to invent the t2 then it should be us (again out list of t2 invention jobs was prety short compared to the others and many things that would have made sense to come to us went elsewhere).
When you need a racial-specific specialization skill to use the T2 drone, it only makes sense that the race in question is the one that produces them. It also seems rather odd for the Gallente to worry about building T2 shield maintenance bots for their enemy to use. Though the shield drones could as easily be Minmatar in origin.
Originally by: Christopher Dalran
Then again anyone can get any of the skillbooks without being that particular race so the point is moot, just invent with another race untill you can afford to get the next encryptions skillbook. Is it just me or in this case and when ships are involved do people tend to assume you can only use what is attached to your race?
Selnix looks at the little race designator under his avatar, then at the part of his post that makes it pretty clear he uses another race's interface and Encryption Methods skill. Most people can't afford to just go throwing a billion isk into buying all four of the skill books and the associated interfaces to produce ammunition and modules when the net effect of invention is to drop the profit margin on the items invented to a level that you can not recoup your investment.
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Khyara
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Posted - 2007.06.17 05:12:00 -
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It makes me so happy that we're screwing the Caladari yet again.
I swear there is a game wide nerf on Caladari - everything from PVP, PVE, Invention and in between.
Note the mass move of characters away from Caladari to Gallente and Minmatar
- GJ CCP if thats your strategy, its being accomplished.
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Nesa
Antares Fleet Yards
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.18 09:50:00 -
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Why don't you just get the other encryption methods skills? In the scheme of invention they're not that expensive.... And the interfaces for modules are a dime a dozen.
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Jocca Quinn
Matari BackBone
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Posted - 2007.06.18 23:06:00 -
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Originally by: Nesa
Why don't you just get the other encryption methods skills? In the scheme of invention they're not that expensive.... And the interfaces for modules are a dime a dozen.
Not really a question of expense, its one of balance and dare I say it "fairness". The Caldari are getting shafted here quite simply.
Either drones should be split by damage type among the races or Caldari should get all the missiles for invention.
The current situation is inconsistant, and smacks of "one rule for them and another for everyone else".
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Gaogan
Gallente
Solar Storm
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2007.06.19 01:16:00 -
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Originally by: Jocca Quinn
Not really a question of expense, its one of balance and dare I say it "fairness". The Caldari are getting shafted here quite simply.
No, they aren't; Gallente are getting unshafted. As it is they have virtually no modules they can invent that are also worth inventing. Can't even invent the weapons we use ( railguns ).
There is only one gallente module so far that I have bothered to invent and that is the modulated strip miner II. And those are a pain because half of the results are for deep core modulated strip miner IIs, which are worthless.
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