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Phroneo
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Posted - 2007.06.15 10:35:00 -
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Hello!
I am interested in heading down the anti-pirate path. I wish to know however what is the state of this kind role in EVE. I hear a lot about pirate corps, ore stealing but is there any strong anti-pirate movement? If so, do they control any space?
I guess I am just hoping that anti-pirates aren't just a weak minority totally overpowered by pirates and gangs. I will be joining a local crop in the Australian region which is linked to a corp with a NBS policy which I may wish to join if I am good enough at a later stage. I have also heard of Celestial Apocalypse as the strongest anti-pirate corp too.
I guess a side question is what is the deal with those large groups like BoB, Goonswarm etc. They appear to control a lot of space though are any of these large groups 'good'? Are they all pirates or just out to control as much as possible while ensuring peace and pirate-free zones within their territories? Something in between maybe?
I have had difficulty finding good descriptions of various corps and alliances...
Thanks
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Gallente
The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2007.06.15 10:41:00 -
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Edited by: Siigari Kitawa on 15/06/2007 10:42:42
Anti-Pirates are just pirates that have a positive security standing.
They log in, ask where the gang is, fit nothing but PVP setups, RARELY DO CAREBEAR THINGS, hurrah over the kills, they post their kills on a killboard, they drool over the loot, and they slap each other on the butt after a "great kill."
So what did you say?
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Kiyano
Caldari
Pilots Of Honour
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Posted - 2007.06.15 10:43:00 -
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Most groups have their own agendas and as such don't bow to the greater morals that so called anti pirates do. They do exist but don't thrive as its safer to just kill anybody in your space that isn't already friends with you... that way its less crowded etc. You'll actually find a lot of corps saying that they're anti pirate but mostly in the sense that they just don't get low sec status's and just hunt the odd pirate here and there... i'm not sure about dedicated anti pirate corps but I bet they exist.
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Sergeant Spot
Black Eclipse Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.15 10:46:00 -
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There are a few anti-pirate groups out there, but they are sadly rare. Much harder to get pew pew if you are target selective.
I'd love to see anti-pirates become more viable. I don't mind inventive and aggressive pirates, but most are just lazy.
Still, keep looking, there are some folks of similar mind in game.
Play nice while you butcher each other.
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noobkillerz
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Posted - 2007.06.15 11:09:00 -
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Try Celestial Apocalypse, they are in hibernation now for the summer though so there may only be a few active at the moment. If not ask Lord Chaos, he a crazy mo fo.
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Onnawa
Minmatar
Alcohol Fueled Brutality
X-PACT
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Posted - 2007.06.15 11:09:00 -
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"Anti-Pirate" is a trick of semantics. It allows you to go out and kill anyone with a negative sec status and feel good about yourself. The only difference between pirate and anti-pirate is the AP waits to shoot until they see yellow or red, while the pirate just shoots. Fact is, there's a certain "honor among thieves" in the "pirate" community, and we typically don't prey on each other (which is unfortunate, since we're all better equipped than our would-be victims these days.) So I guess you could call Anti-Piracy piracy with a higher instance of payoff.
Concerted anti-pirate corps? They don't last long. I've known (and broken) a few in my day...they eventually all figure out that what they're doing is still piracy and just go all the way.
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Sahwoolo Etoophie
Forum Moderator
Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2007.06.15 11:40:00 -
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Moved from GD.
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Atreides Horza
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.06.15 11:49:00 -
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Lots of anti-pies around. Prolly a good place to start with pvp, if safety in numbers is a must.
Go look up BRUCE. They work in syndicate. They are masters at sucking roids and roasting rats and do occasional runs into pirate-infested areas. You'll be very safe with these guys since they seem to be all joined by the hip and always have large numbers at the ready for bait blobs and gate camps. They do fleet sh*t too from what I hear, if you are into that jazz, although that could become an expensive hobby, from what I hear. 
If you're into roleplay (not the kinky stuff), rifters for victory and delusional enough to think you'll win wars by staying docked, there's also the Namt'zarr'kies in Molden Heath, or whatever they're called.
That's pretty much the only anti-pies I know.
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Stakhanov
kleptomaniacs
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Posted - 2007.06.15 12:22:00 -
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NSBI corps really are 0.0 pirates privateering for their alliance , don't expect them to spare you if you ask them nicely 
I'd say that true antipirates do not operate on NBSI. Real active antipirates (those who spend more time hunting in lowsec than ratting in 0.0) typically have a yellow negative status (from podding yellow pirates with bounties)
It can be very very hard to find a good antipirate corp. Much harder than finding a good pirate corp. 90% of the corps/characters with "ANTIPIRATE" in description or bio are laughable wannabes.
Mercs sometimes pretend they have some morals and call themselves antipirates. Which is silly , when they would do our bidding given enough ISK
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Laxon
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Posted - 2007.06.15 13:02:00 -
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As has been said most corps with "anti-pirate" in there description are pathetic and have the killboard stats to prove it.
My experience with them has mainly involved them trying to bait me with an obvious bait ship so they can blob me with a random assortment of mission running ships that have scrams fitted...
Having said that, I'm sure there are some respectable anti-pirates out there somewhere and most merc corps will hunt outlaws as they can get kills without butchering there sec status.
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Commander Arwen
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.06.15 13:19:00 -
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Anti pirates are lame as paladins.
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DarkElf
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.06.15 13:19:00 -
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unfortunately most anti pirate corps are simply uselss pvp'ers that don't want to big outlaw but enjoy shooting things when they have gate guns on their side.
There are however some very good pvp corps around that only shoot outlaws/pirates, celes being one of them. Altho they are a bit broken atm but will return.
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Wesley Baird
Ever Flow
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.15 13:50:00 -
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Two alliances that are anti-pirate are NMTZ and 5th Column in Molden Heath, they have decent numbers and like to try and spoil our fun.
Despite our differing views on surprise PVP I would suggest giving NMTZ a ring, they have some good pilots and some good people in their ranks, contact me in game and I can point you to the right person to talk to.
Foundation is also anti-pirate, but they are 0.0 NRSI...I can also point you to someone there...
(I know who to talk to, as we have had our blue standings changed to red with all of these organization due to surprise PVP issues...lol)
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SwitchBl4d3
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.06.15 14:25:00 -
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 Originally by: Wesley Baird
Two alliances that are anti-pirate are NMTZ and 5th Column in Molden Heath, they have decent numbers and like to try and spoil our fun.
Despite our differing views on surprise PVP I would suggest giving NMTZ a ring, they have some good pilots and some good people in their ranks, contact me in game and I can point you to the right person to talk to.
Foundation is also anti-pirate, but they are 0.0 NRSI...I can also point you to someone there...
(I know who to talk to, as we have had our blue standings changed to red with all of these organization due to surprise PVP issues...lol)
nmtz only protect 2 j's from handelbar, they get a nose bleed after 3 and want there teddybears after 5.
Infact u get Nmtz on a late op after 6 jumps he will hang in sys incase being picked off by straglers until the next day when his buddies can pick him up.
All in lo sec of course, and hmm no bubbles in lo sec, yes weird i know
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Avan Strega
Thunderstruck.
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Posted - 2007.06.15 14:28:00 -
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The trouble with anti-pirating is that your targets are much more limited, as you're only hunting outlaws (people below -5) or people already criminally flagged. So it can take a while to find a fight, depending on where you go.
In terms of ore theft, corps that are bothered by this typically either fight back themselves, or hire mercenaries if the problem is too out of hand.
The large alliances that control space are not really pirate or anti-pirate. Their agenda is to control their own space at all costs, and as such will fire on anyone who enters their space without having negotiated positive standings first.
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Nolene
War Crimes
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Posted - 2007.06.16 01:28:00 -
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A strong anti-pirate movement? No not really. It is tough to fight pirates. War decs mean nothing to them, they are a pvp force by choice and therefor welcome most fights, so fighting them aggressivly sometimes backfires. And also, they tend not to fight when the advantage is not in thier favor, which who can blaim them, they are pirates.
Now for your 0.0 entities like BOB, goons, etc...They are 0.0 alliances, bent on taking and holding space for themselves. You might consider this piracy, but for the most part they are thier own genra.
True anti-pirates are not a strong force in this game. Some larger groups who frown on piracy, will happily engage blinking red pirates when given the chance, but do not go out of thier way to irradicate them.
Simply, game mechanics are in the pirates favor. It makes it very difficult to fight them to the point of extinction. Also it tends to be not very profitable. Just my two cents.
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DubanFP
Caldari
Four Rings
D-L
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Posted - 2007.06.16 01:29:00 -
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The only difference between a pirate and an anti-pirate is that the anti-pirate has 1/4 the targets, and what targets they DO have are a hell of a lot tougher.
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MonwrathDisortium
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.06.16 04:46:00 -
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Edited by: MonwrathDisortium on 16/06/2007 04:49:26
If by anti-pirate you mean, people who wait until someone is aggressed on the gate and tanking senty fire then jump in a gank squad, then there are plenty of these people around. If you mean a disciplined fighting force that hunts only -5.0 and below chars while assisting everyone else when called for help, I have never seen them and have my doubts they exist.
Anti-pies are pirates who cant bring themselves to commit to the lifestyle.
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Lusian
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Posted - 2007.06.16 05:54:00 -
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Edited by: Lusian on 16/06/2007 05:54:40
They are around or if you want you can start one yourself. Which would be the best bet. the trouble with anti pirateing that i have ran into is that you have a group of players that call themselves pirates or not and use alts to scope out the enemy how can ou realistically have an advantage, ultimately you can guess it is an alt for a pirate :\ Which is the whole point of NBSI
waiting to be shot at is in my book a bit more nobler but better on your contiance in the long run. I think I spelled that right.
I fight pirates all the time. The thing is that some corps are allyed with pirates and are not themselves pirates, but if you hang around with ducks and talk like a duck and walk like a duck.... Come hunting season your gonna get shot down like a duck.
no antipirate is gonna risk his pod for that. i sure as hell wont. MM used to do that. Not to fire till fired apon. Untimately you run into a lot of friendly fire. In the end you can never tell if its some pirates alt.
In the beginning youl learn the hard way because its the only thing a pirate is gonna give it to ya. and they will be better then you in the beginning because its what they have been doing since they started for some of them.
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hurrah over the kills, they post their kills on a killboard, they drool over the loot, and they slap each other on the butt after a "great kill."
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Pink Rabbit
Gallente
Black Thorne Corporation
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Posted - 2007.06.16 11:09:00 -
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Surely having a NBS rule as Anti pirates makes you just as much as a pirate as those you claim to fight?
You'll be shooting just as many non pirates as pirates, hence making your own acts an act of piracy, so shouldn't a Anti Pirate corp only use the "If not red don't shoot" terms of engagment, ensuring they are only firing on pirates not legit buisness corps...
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Tecam Hund
The Buggers
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Posted - 2007.06.16 11:53:00 -
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There are close to no anti-pirates around, only a bunch of people who claim to be. Of course there are a few exceptions.
Here are a few things you need to do in order to actually be an "anti-pirate".
- Do not practice NBSI.
- Do not stalk people asking what they are doing in "your" low sec system.
- Do not attack people above - 5 security status unless they are confirmed to be members of a pirate corporation.
- Hunt pirates. Not just run missions and gank a random outlaw that happened to stumble onto your gate camp.
There are countless corporations that claim to be anti-pirates, but fail at all of the above.
As for 0.0 alliances... They are territorialist pig-dogs ( ). Worse than pirates from my point of view. There are even alliances/corporations in low security space that run NBSI policy (not pirates). Those are the lowest of the low.
So if you charted a scale line going from "good" to "naughty" it would be:
Real antipirates (Celestial Apocalypse is the only one i know of) > Pirates > 0.0 NBSI entities > low sec NBSI entities. I am not biased at all of course.
P.S. Anti-Pirates are not the same as pirates only with less targets. Thinking that they are is the kind of mentality that sadly turns EVE into a mindless shooting simulator. Intent behind your deeds matters in EVE.
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft
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Posted - 2007.06.16 13:35:00 -
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Around Sinq Liason, my corp and a few others have declared ourselves anti-pirate. This does not specifically refer to sec status, we even have some friendlies that are -5 and below. This refers specifically to people we have witnessed pirating before. If an unknown comes into the system, we generally give them the benefit of the doubt until they attack someone, then they're marked as targets from that point on.
I wouldn't say we're amazing at PvP but all we've had to contend with lately are SNOWY, who aren't all that good themselves. If we had some more skilled adversaries, I'm sure we'd end up better at PvP and we'd probably make a lot more losses. We sometimes run anti-pirate gangs where we bust up a gatecamp or just patrol looking for known pirates to attack. We do have the occasional loss, but all loot from the attack goes to whoever makes a loss so it does tend to even itself out. We do bait unknowns sometimes to see if they will attack, as a few new pirates to the area find out every now and then.
The main point behind anti-pirates is that pretty much all of them, as has been said, are just looking for a legitimate excuse to PvP. We love PvP, eve would be rubbish without it and it's damn exciting to lead a small gang into a hostile situation. Some anti-pirate corps kill people based on sec status, while corps that are dedicated to battling pirates will usually kill people based on their past and present actions. We have some anti-pirate guys with low sec status and my own sec has dropped from 5.0 to 2.5 in a short space of time because we aren't averse to attacking known pirates who have above -5 sec status. Though I should probably lay off the pods...
With regard to BoB and Goonswarm, I should tell you now that 0.0 and empire are completely different. Someone killing random fellows in a 0.1 system or camping a gate there and killing everything that comes through is a pirate. Someone doing the same in 0.0 is not neccecarily a pirate, there are various political influences to take into account. 0.0 alliances that are good at PvP secure themselves allies by running NBSI (Not Blue, Shoot It) policies where they will kill anyone except their allies. This pressures people into becoming their allies and gives their pilots something fun to do. There are a lot more reasons for NBSI that it would take a long time to go into, but suffice it to say that piracy doesn't really have the same meaning in 0.0. You'll find most anti-pirates operate in 0.1 to 0.4.
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Visionsz
Caldari
Midas Tycho
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Posted - 2007.06.16 15:45:00 -
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As far as I am aware, CELES don't shoot any neutrals in Empire, yes the little white industrials and freighters couldd be refilling the pirates with ships and parts... but if that gets them in another ship for another fight then I'm all for it.
As for comments about Anti-pirates are pirates that don't want to commit to a way of life... just
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Akurion
Gallente
Master Miners
Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.16 17:45:00 -
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The life of an anti-pirate is rough, but can be rewarding.
It's very similar to pirating, except you're much more target selective, and the people you're attacking are usually fitted for PvP, as opposed to haulers, mission runners, belt ratters, etc.
Most of my success comes from baiting pirates -- i.e. appearing to be ratting or mining in a system with someone I suspect is a pirate, and waiting for them to warp in and attack me.
Technically you don't have to wait for them to attack, you can attack them first. However, this results in an unfortunate security status hit, which if you're playing an anti-pirate is a bad thing (I'm trying to enforce the law here, dammit).
Still, when you do get a kill (and you will, pirates will often attack a target stronger than they are, under the assumption that if things go bad they can just warp off), it's one of the most rewarding feelings in the game.
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Lore Isander
Caldari
Sybrite Inc.
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Posted - 2007.06.16 17:53:00 -
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You want good anti-pirates?
Try CVA.
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BANDID
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.06.16 22:49:00 -
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To the OP, TBH dont join 5th or NMTZ they RP ure mind and u will stop playing eve, The best way to do antipirating is to go out on ure self and kill everything in low sec blinking red, Its really a hard job to do but u really gotta know how to pvp, So when u manage to kill pirates u learned the ropes in pvp. As for kleptos dont go to their systems they will just blow u up with smartbombs, so u wont learn how to pvp. There are really no real antipirate corps.... As for infod we have roamed and roamed and the so called anti Piwate corp nmtz didnt dare to fight us. So be wise go on and post on this nice forum if there are more people willing to do the real anti pirate thingy.
Create ure own Anti pirate corp fex Called AntiBlink.
And recruit likewise minded players !
cu
have fun hunting me ;)
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Enraku Reynolt
Minmatar
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2007.06.17 06:41:00 -
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its a sad loney life
the rewards are few and most often end up insane. broken, or become worse than those they started up to stop
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Frygok
Minmatar
Mean Anglo-Danes
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Posted - 2007.06.17 08:30:00 -
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The more I think about it, the more I find the anti-pirate idea to have huge potential, especially after level 5 missions are being introduced, hopefully bringing more life to low-sec.
Having an organised anti-pirate alliance/group of corps working together I find would be fun and challenging for both pirates, who would welcome a tougher fight than mission runners with pure PvE fittings(and since you pirates apparently have an "honor code" that makes you shoot eachother), and the anti-pirates would definately meet their match.
The problems I see with creating such a corp/alliance is numerous:
1. It's going to be expensive. You are going to lose ships, many ships. Especially if you want some good fights, and not just blob.
2. The large pirate corps(Infod, Kleps, etc. etc.) would probably find the anti-pirates to be very fun to shoot, and having organisation, isk and experience in the pirate/anti-pirate fighting, could make life a living hell for upcoming anti-pirate corps and alliances.
3. Lack of skilled players wanting this. It's going to require a will to not pop freighters, and leave potential money bags(mission runners) alone, thus skipping out on alot of isk. You need experienced pirates, people used to lead gangs/fleets, with a wish to take standings hit. Frankly, those people are very few and far between.
An anti-pirate corp/alliance really appeals to me, but some more encouragement from CCP's side(like no standing hit when you pod negative standing chars), some sort of reward if you turn in a number of pirate corpses etc.
Anyway, hope the best for your aspiring dreams of becoming an anti-pirate. I am seriously considering going down the same road. If there were serious anti-pirate corp/alliance out there, I might even apply.
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GRENADIERSIMPSON
New Career Move
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Posted - 2007.06.17 09:01:00 -
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Im sick of pirates posting in anti pirate threads stating "anti-pirates are really pirates" and "all bacause they say anti pirate in there bio's doesnt mean they are".
What a load of crap.
Im an anti pirate i dont practice NBSI and i have only ever killed pirates in pvp.
Pirates flame about anti pirates because they envy us.
We are a rare breed in this game, where as pirates are everywhere. So going back to the top Become an anti pirate mate and be proud to be different, not just do the easy thing like be a "PIWAT" like everyone else in the game.
P.S All pirates are failed anti pirates 
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darth solo
Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.06.17 09:38:00 -
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Iv been antipirating for 4 years now with some alliance stuff inbetween. But anti-pirating is my bread and butter and is the reason i play eve..
Its a very rewarding way of fighting and should be looked at if u fancy an interesting eve life. You have to be pretty decent at PVP though as u will be up against PVPers who normally are pretty good, but that ust makes the fight more fun.
celestial apocalypse are doing it full time the now while many of our corp is on a summer break and its been darn good fun. our corp at full strengh just wouldnt get the PVP needed though.
d solo.
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Kismo
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Posted - 2007.06.17 10:19:00 -
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Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
Edited by: Siigari Kitawa on 15/06/2007 10:42:42
Anti-Pirates are just pirates that have a positive security standing.
They log in, ask where the gang is, fit nothing but PVP setups, RARELY DO CAREBEAR THINGS, hurrah over the kills, they post their kills on a killboard, they drool over the loot, and they slap each other on the butt after a "great kill."
So what did you say?
Quoted for absolute truth
/An anti-pie.
Kismo
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Phoenus
Caldari
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.06.17 11:50:00 -
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Originally by: darth solo
Iv been antipirating for 4 years now with some alliance stuff inbetween. But anti-pirating is my bread and butter and is the reason i play eve..
Its a very rewarding way of fighting and should be looked at if u fancy an interesting eve life. You have to be pretty decent at PVP though as u will be up against PVPers who normally are pretty good, but that ust makes the fight more fun.
celestial apocalypse are doing it full time the now while many of our corp is on a summer break and its been darn good fun. our corp at full strengh just wouldnt get the PVP needed though.
d solo.
Anti piracy is great fun. Yes, the loot isn't great, yes you'll fight outnumbered.
This is where the fun is . The vast majority of the time, I hunt solo, and I'll happily engage 2, 3 or 4 people at the same time who are attacking innocent people.
The fun is in the pvp, not in the reward, and this is what EVE is all about.
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Frygok
Minmatar
Mean Anglo-Danes
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Posted - 2007.06.17 12:32:00 -
[33]
Originally by: Kismo
Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
Edited by: Siigari Kitawa on 15/06/2007 10:42:42
Anti-Pirates are just pirates that have a positive security standing.
They log in, ask where the gang is, fit nothing but PVP setups, RARELY DO CAREBEAR THINGS, hurrah over the kills, they post their kills on a killboard, they drool over the loot, and they slap each other on the butt after a "great kill."
So what did you say?
Quoted for absolute truth
/An anti-pie.
Kismo
I have to strongly disagree. The pirate goes for the "weak", as in the PvE fitted mission ships. A pirate even in this very thread stated that pirates don't fight pirates.
An anti-pirate, in my optic anyway(which is the only one I can fully argue from), is one who does not jump the weak. The people they jump are usually hardcore PvP'ers, who have the fittings and skills to fight.
For me, anti-pirate is not gate camping, but breaking up pirate gates, roam low sec and check for pirates and pew pew them down.
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mannyman
The Taining corp
Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.06.17 14:16:00 -
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Go to Molden Heatg region, system tenonsude and gelfiven. Lots of anti pirates hunting the pirates that goes there to pvp.
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Mangold
Freelance Unincorporated
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.06.17 15:19:00 -
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Edited by: Mangold on 17/06/2007 15:19:12
I had a great time hunting pirates in Amamake. Think I made 1.5 B or something in loot from them so it may be profitable.
It's harder being a anti pirate than a pirate if you ask me as the number of targets are fewer. The only fulltime anti pirate corp I know of today are celes.
Edit: forgot one thing. Most pirates are much tougher to kill than your average 0.0 dweller.
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Karlemgne
The Black Fleet
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Posted - 2007.06.17 16:59:00 -
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Originally by: Frygok
Originally by: Kismo
Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
Edited by: Siigari Kitawa on 15/06/2007 10:42:42
Anti-Pirates are just pirates that have a positive security standing.
They log in, ask where the gang is, fit nothing but PVP setups, RARELY DO CAREBEAR THINGS, hurrah over the kills, they post their kills on a killboard, they drool over the loot, and they slap each other on the butt after a "great kill."
So what did you say?
Quoted for absolute truth
/An anti-pie.
Kismo
I have to strongly disagree. The pirate goes for the "weak", as in the PvE fitted mission ships. A pirate even in this very thread stated that pirates don't fight pirates.
An anti-pirate, in my optic anyway(which is the only one I can fully argue from), is one who does not jump the weak. The people they jump are usually hardcore PvP'ers, who have the fittings and skills to fight.
For me, anti-pirate is not gate camping, but breaking up pirate gates, roam low sec and check
for pirates and pew pew them down.
LMAO... I fight pirates every single day, in fact, I think that's one of the biggest problems with pirates...
They are always busy at killing and hating eachother that they could never help eachother out when the anti-pie blob comes.
-Karlemgne
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Faekurias
Caldari
Federation Fleet
Endless Horizon
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Posted - 2007.06.17 17:50:00 -
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Edited by: Faekurias on 17/06/2007 17:49:58
Originally by: Frygok
Originally by: Kismo
Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
Edited by: Siigari Kitawa on 15/06/2007 10:42:42
Anti-Pirates are just pirates that have a positive security standing.
They log in, ask where the gang is, fit nothing but PVP setups, RARELY DO CAREBEAR THINGS, hurrah over the kills, they post their kills on a killboard, they drool over the loot, and they slap each other on the butt after a "great kill."
So what did you say?
Quoted for absolute truth
/An anti-pie.
Kismo
I have to strongly disagree. The pirate goes for the "weak", as in the PvE fitted mission ships. A pirate even in this very thread stated that pirates don't fight pirates.
LIE , pirates go for everybody AND easypickings and whatever, not neccessarily only weak, maybe some do. But not the general Pirate community. Challenges are funneh! Pirate Business :<
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Stakhanov
kleptomaniacs
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Posted - 2007.06.17 18:12:00 -
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Originally by: mannyman
Go to Molden Heatg region, system tenonsude and gelfiven. Lots of anti pirates hunting the pirates that goes there to pvp.
Hint : outlaws cannot enter highsec. Real antipirates won't waste their time there.
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Plim
Gallente
Celestial Apocalypse
Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.06.18 02:05:00 -
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I have, along with darth also hunted pirates for about 4 years now. I also, for the experience was a -10 pirate on my other account for over a year.
I find that although as an anti-pirate you get less constant pvp it tends to be more satisfying when you get kills. Partly because when pirates whine when they die, it is funnier than carebear hatemail.
Infact I found myself often hunting pirates on my pirate character, because it is so funny. I had one pirate tell me it wasn't fair that I pod killed him (wtf?).
But for an inexperienced pvper pirate hunting can be quite difficult, you are hunting people who want to gank you and sell you innards on the open market. You are also hunting people who have turned running away into an art form.
Your best way to learn as a beginner is to attack them over and over until you figure out how to stop dying.
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Ulesi
FinFleet
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Posted - 2007.06.18 05:02:00 -
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Edited by: Ulesi on 18/06/2007 05:02:51
Edited by: Ulesi on 18/06/2007 05:02:25
Dear CCP,
How to make "Anti-Pirate" viable:
1) Make killing a player with a -0.0 to -4.9 sec status not give a negative sec status to yourself. Instead have no sec status gain/lose at all.
2) Make killing a player with a -5.0 to -10.0 sec status give the player a gain in sec status.
3) Enjoy the drama of anti-pirate/pirate wars....add more fun to the game.
4) Give me a Federation Megathron because they make my pee pee hard
Originally by: Puupuu
dude... your face...
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Akurion
Gallente
Master Miners
Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.18 05:11:00 -
[41]
Originally by: Ulesi
Edited by: Ulesi on 18/06/2007 05:02:51
Edited by: Ulesi on 18/06/2007 05:02:25
Dear CCP,
How to make "Anti-Pirate" viable:
1) Make killing a player with a -0.0 to -4.9 sec status not give a negative sec status to yourself. Instead have no sec status gain/lose at all.
2) Make killing a player with a -5.0 to -10.0 sec status give the player a gain in sec status.
3) Enjoy the drama of anti-pirate/pirate wars....add more fun to the game.
4) Give me a Federation Megathron because they make my pee pee hard
Point number one is probably the most frustrating part of being an anti-pirate. We're supposed to be the good guys, trying to uphold the law, but we can't attack a pirate without getting a security hit.
I've lost track of the number of times I've stared at a known pirate floating in space, but was unable to attack because he wasn't criminally flagged at that moment. Instead I had to wait until he attacked someone else (who usually ended up dying) or wait until he attacks me, which gives him the initiative.
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xeom
Coagulated
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Posted - 2007.06.18 06:04:00 -
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Edited by: xeom on 18/06/2007 06:05:34
best thing is being solo anti-pirate.Nothing like taking on overwhelming numbers everyday.Be ready to lose a **** load of ships.
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Liang Nuren
The Refugees
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Posted - 2007.06.18 18:52:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Frygok
I have to strongly disagree. The pirate goes for the "weak", as in the PvE fitted mission ships. A pirate even in this very thread stated that pirates don't fight pirates.
An anti-pirate, in my optic anyway(which is the only one I can fully argue from), is one who does not jump the weak. The people they jump are usually hardcore PvP'ers, who have the fittings and skills to fight.
For me, anti-pirate is not gate camping, but breaking up pirate gates, roam low sec and check for pirates and pew pew them down.
Most pirates I know don't care one way or the other whether you're easy pickin's or not. They just want to shoot you. They're all delighted when you put up a fight (sometimes enough to actually ransom you instead of just blowing you up for fun). I've multiple times put up a 5-10 minute fight only to ask "ransom?" in local - and actually save my ship.
BTW, I have *NO OBJECTION AT ALL* to ganking a pirate's mission ships - or their alt corp's mission ships. Maybe I should just go -10?
Liang
Originally by: Dianabolic, of BOB, referring to MSN
the fact that many of us speak to the devs / gm's / employees of CCP on a regular basis as friends is already common knoweldge?
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Na'Kunni
Amarr
Null Horizon
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Posted - 2007.06.18 20:10:00 -
[44]
Yarrrrrrr!!! ????
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Sojiuro
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Posted - 2007.06.19 05:47:00 -
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there are very few true antipirates. I dont know what all of u are talking about. Being an antipirarte is fightitng on hard mode. Pirartes are almost always better geared then you and they pick when they want to attack.
I am an antipirate, thats all i do. like a previousperson said i am -1.9. podkills etc. Antipirate is a harder road, but I kind of like "fighting for a cause."
Also i dont think that NBSI is pirate. 0.0 is EVERYONE batatlegrounds. There pirates and antipiratess are all on even ground. If you go to 0.0 there are no pirrates and antipirataes its just an open battlegroundn with no consequences. SO, no NBSI is not pirate.
Aspi-Vore Xenosaders Member,
Sojiuro The Tenken
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War Drumb
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Posted - 2007.06.20 20:55:00 -
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Edited by: War Drumb on 20/06/2007 20:59:30
I have said it before... and I will say it again. Half the fun of the Anti Pirate is 1. Getting the evidance you need to convict them of piracy 2. Getting them to shoot 1st so you dont loose your sec rating. And 3. Making sure they have most unfun expirance possible. If this means 15 guys gank him and there is not way he can fight back then so be it. He prays on the weak and is not deserving of any respect or quater.
We dont even call them pirates... The term pirate denotes a thinker of sorts to me. Some one who does it better. Someone who does it on the sly. A true pirate will hit you and you never knew he was there or who he was. No these guys are not pirates in my book. They are THUGS!! Praying on the weak and uninformed and it is with delight I take each and every one of them down as hard as I can!
You can read some of our adventures http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=379006
Don't fret precious I'm here, step away from the window... Go back to sleep... Lay your head down child I won't let the boogeyman come, Counting bodies like sheep To the rhythm of the war drums |
Karash Amerius
Amarr
O.E.C
Legionnaire Services Ltd.
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Posted - 2007.06.20 21:33:00 -
[47]
If you want to anti-pirate, you have to learn how to trap. No pirate goes into a fight thinking they are going to lose...they are mainly about easy kills. Pies get really mad when successfully trapped (as seen by the posts here), but its really the only way to hunt them.
Anti-Pirate work is rarely, if ever, a solo profession. (no I am not an anti-pie)
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Hazor Dris
Universal Exports
Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.06.27 13:02:00 -
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NMTZ is a 100% anti-pirate alliance. We follow NRDS policy (not red, don't shoot for those not familiar), which means we don't shoot neutrals unless they are proven pirate, at which time they are set to red. We are a RP-friendly alliance...you are not required to RP but you must respect other pilots roleplay, which means no references to out-of-game activities; everything done in game must have an in-character reason, this includes our alliance politics as well. We also have a zero tolerance smack policy. Our region of influence covers all of Molden Heath, and we are also friendly with Foundation in Great Wildlands and occationally have ops out there.
As several others have said, being anti-pirate really allows you to take pride in your kills, as almost every ship targetted is fit for pvp, and the pilot usually knows what he is doing. Also you are fighting for a cause, which in our case is against the general spread of darkness by pirating.
We also consider low-sec NBSI pirating, these entities are set red immediately.
If you're interested in joining a good anti-pirate group, contact one of our CEOs to learn more.
Check out our monthly mag...
*Burn, NMTZ Official Publication* |
Johncrab
Minmatar
Typo Corp
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Posted - 2007.06.27 16:10:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Akurion
The life of an anti-pirate is rough, but can be rewarding.
It's very similar to pirating, except you're much more target selective, and the people you're attacking are usually fitted for PvP, as opposed to haulers, mission runners, belt ratters, etc.
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QFT
Originally by: ry ry
gatecamping is just PvP mining.
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