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Riho
Gallente Magnificent Beavers Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2007.06.15 14:04:00 -
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Originally by: Gaven Blands Edited by: Gaven Blands on 15/06/2007 11:35:07 They'd better be careful, because a nerf to nos is a nerf to drones, and I don't think the forum hardware can handle two fullsize whiner groups consecutively.
most stupid argument i have EVER read about nos....
nos nerf doesnt NERF any drone ship one bit... even the curse or pilgrim
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Glumpumpkin
House Elf Liberation Front
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Posted - 2007.06.15 14:10:00 -
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Originally by: Riho
Originally by: Gaven Blands Edited by: Gaven Blands on 15/06/2007 11:35:07 They'd better be careful, because a nerf to nos is a nerf to drones, and I don't think the forum hardware can handle two fullsize whiner groups consecutively.
most stupid argument i have EVER read about nos....
nos nerf doesnt NERF any drone ship one bit... even the curse or pilgrim
But my dominix needs to be able to instantly neutralize any tackler that isnt a 30km-orbit domination/gistii/snakes crow
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Vorketh Mordanil
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Posted - 2007.06.15 14:20:00 -
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I was thinking that sig radius / tracking would be the outcome, and if it is, I'd be happy as long as the Pilgrim/Curse got a bonus to nos tracking... otherwise, the solution is... *shivers*... a target painter!
The day my pilgrim fits a target painter is the saddest day indeed :( (I could do without slapping a Curse pilot silly for that, as they might actually use a launcher slot or two... maybe...)
Le sigh... I JUST finished getting all my skills for the Pilgrim where I want them...
Anyway, now that whining is done... I will thoroughly enjoy this nerf when I'm not flying my Pilgrim :)
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Agent Li
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Posted - 2007.06.15 14:29:00 -
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Originally by: Gaven Blands Edited by: Gaven Blands on 15/06/2007 11:35:07 They'd better be careful, because a nerf to nos is a nerf to drones, and I don't think the forum hardware can handle two fullsize whiner groups consecutively.
EDIT: And Amarrians are not misguided religious nutbags. And I still get scared when I hear the PHIZZ of lasers.
Well, IMHO, people either brag about the "I PWN YOU!" fitting they have on their ship, or whine about losing the "I PWN YOU!" fitting, so it's a wash as to the effective load on the forums. ------------------
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Agent Li
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Posted - 2007.06.15 14:33:00 -
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On the subject, however, I think that Nos should only drain as much as you have empty cap to fill on your own ship.
If your cap is barely empty, you should barely drain anything.
If you want to zap someone's cap, the game should force you to use neuts. ------------------
"Don't be afraid to take advantage of your enemy's weaknesses. Becasuse winning is everything after all." |
n0thing
omen.
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Posted - 2007.06.15 14:33:00 -
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Originally by: Riho
Originally by: Gaven Blands Edited by: Gaven Blands on 15/06/2007 11:35:07 They'd better be careful, because a nerf to nos is a nerf to drones, and I don't think the forum hardware can handle two fullsize whiner groups consecutively.
most stupid argument i have EVER read about nos....
nos nerf doesnt NERF any drone ship one bit... even the curse or pilgrim
If executed in a bad way, it is.
Curse and Pilgrim are pretty much live with nosfs. So if PG req just has 25% slapped on, its useless. Then Ishtar, has 3 turret slots, 5 highs....2 slots for nosfs...even now to fit MWD/Plate/Nosf you need PG rig. ---
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Miklas Laces
A.N.A.R.C.H.I.C.A
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Posted - 2007.06.15 15:02:00 -
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Originally by: Gentlewind I've heard that when you activate the nos the sound effect has been changed to 1000 crying morons with no imagination and a little graphic pops up that says 'press here to remove yourself from non-consensual pvp and transport yourself to a different shard where all ships are the same and fire cotton balls'.
ROTFL
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Vorketh Mordanil
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Posted - 2007.06.15 15:09:00 -
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Originally by: Agent Li On the subject, however, I think that Nos should only drain as much as you have empty cap to fill on your own ship.
If your cap is barely empty, you should barely drain anything.
If you want to zap someone's cap, the game should force you to use neuts.
I almost don't know if that's so bad though. I personally run an unstable medium neut on my Pilgrim, and that uses enough cap alone to ensure that an E50 nos needs to run to maintain it. Then that leaves me with one more E50 to run the rest of my modules (which is plenty). So if the only thing that is nerfed is the ability to drain into a full pot, then it's not hurt.
I'm almost certain though that there is going to be a tracking / sig radius addition to nos, in which case...
TARGET PAINTERS!!!
el oh el
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Krugerrand
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.06.15 15:16:00 -
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A nos nerf which isn't correctly balanced in terms of the cap drained will consequently make it far easier (too easy) for solo-3 frigs to solo BS.
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Agent Li
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Posted - 2007.06.15 15:18:00 -
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Originally by: Vorketh Mordanil
Originally by: Agent Li On the subject, however, I think that Nos should only drain as much as you have empty cap to fill on your own ship.
If your cap is barely empty, you should barely drain anything.
If you want to zap someone's cap, the game should force you to use neuts.
I almost don't know if that's so bad though. I personally run an unstable medium neut on my Pilgrim, and that uses enough cap alone to ensure that an E50 nos needs to run to maintain it. Then that leaves me with one more E50 to run the rest of my modules (which is plenty). So if the only thing that is nerfed is the ability to drain into a full pot, then it's not hurt.
I'm almost certain though that there is going to be a tracking / sig radius addition to nos, in which case...
TARGET PAINTERS!!!
el oh el
Well, think of those people who fit four or five nos, or more.
I don't think they use up enough of their own cap to make up for that - so it places a practical ceiling on fitting nos.
The sig radius thing is interesting. Packing on too many nos could make you a bigger target (which makes sense if you see your ship as an objects with large incoming streams of high energy). ------------------
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Iilludari
Gallente Loyalty projects
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Posted - 2007.06.15 15:24:00 -
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Instead of fitting in a whole rack of NOS try putting in one or two and then some Neutralizers instead, will still be easy to empty someones CAP.
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Vorketh Mordanil
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Posted - 2007.06.15 15:32:00 -
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Originally by: Iilludari Instead of fitting in a whole rack of NOS try putting in one or two and then some Neutralizers instead, will still be easy to empty someones CAP.
That's my point exactly. Either way, they could do what they do with shields and that is make your own sig radius go through the roof while they are active. If so, I will need to revise my current setup of sensor damps and ecm burst, because an increased sig radius will make that setup useless.
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Felysta Sandorn
Caldari System-Lords E N I G M A
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Posted - 2007.06.15 15:33:00 -
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Coming from an Amarr player... I hope they nerf the curse!
Tracking on NOS would be good... Get rid of those idiot nano-curse pilots!
Plus... Where's that Apoc role change?
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Glumpumpkin
House Elf Liberation Front
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Posted - 2007.06.15 15:33:00 -
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Originally by: Krugerrand A nos nerf which isn't correctly balanced in terms of the cap drained will consequently make it far easier (too easy) for solo-3 frigs to solo BS.
You battleship never was invulnerable to frigates in the first place. Frigates with small nos/cap boosters/7.5km scrams fitted have ALWAYS been able to tackle and kill lone battleships, and no amount of adjustment to nosferatu will change that.
Nos changes don't make it any easier for frigates to kill battleships, they make it harder for battleships to kill frigates, as it should be.
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FawKa
Gallente Old Farts Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.06.15 15:36:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Nick What!? A nos nerf AND a drone nerf? They've nerfed Amarr even more!
Rabble. Rabble, rabble, rabble!
What's nerfed about drones you say? I didnt find anything in the patch notes.
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Zikka
The Establishment
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Posted - 2007.06.15 15:43:00 -
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Edited by: Zikka on 15/06/2007 15:42:27
Originally by: FawKa
Originally by: Mr Nick What!? A nos nerf AND a drone nerf? They've nerfed Amarr even more!
Rabble. Rabble, rabble, rabble!
What's nerfed about drones you say? I didnt find anything in the patch notes.
Drone ships tend to fit nos in their highslots for PvP - so a nerf to nos is an indirect nerf to drone ships.
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FawKa
Gallente Old Farts Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.06.15 15:44:00 -
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Originally by: Zikka Edited by: Zikka on 15/06/2007 15:42:27
Originally by: FawKa
Originally by: Mr Nick What!? A nos nerf AND a drone nerf? They've nerfed Amarr even more!
Rabble. Rabble, rabble, rabble!
What's nerfed about drones you say? I didnt find anything in the patch notes.
Drone ships tend to fit nos in their highslots for PvP - so a nerf to nos is an indirect nerf to drone ships.
Ah, looks like I disagree with him then. Thanks for explaining.
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turnschuh
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2007.06.15 16:05:00 -
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Originally by: Krugerrand A nos nerf which isn't correctly balanced in terms of the cap drained will consequently make it far easier (too easy) for solo-3 frigs to solo BS.
beside that you still have drones/smartbombs/heavy tank to kill frigs whats the problem with that?
"bs was never supposed to be a solowtfpwnmobile" :p
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar Guardians of the Dawn Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.06.15 16:41:00 -
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Why people say training for ammar recon 5 has been for Nothing?
Its not for nothing.. the fact that you are less uber powerful (not that other recons are not) do not make you worthless. Just make you balanced!
My opinion NOS should be stack nerfed and that would be enough (AND YES I use them > i Fly a phoon with 4 NOS most of the time)
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l3lind Man
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.06.15 16:48:00 -
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Originally by: Kagura Nikon Why people say training for ammar recon 5 has been for Nothing?
Its not for nothing.. the fact that you are less uber powerful (not that other recons are not) do not make you worthless. Just make you balanced!
My opinion NOS should be stack nerfed and that would be enough (AND YES I use them > i Fly a phoon with 4 NOS most of the time)
recons skill inn't racial! i can still web at 74km with huggin if i can't ubernos with curse
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Gabriel Karade
Celtic Anarchy Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.06.15 17:09:00 -
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Originally by: Zikka Edited by: Zikka on 15/06/2007 15:42:27
Originally by: FawKa
Originally by: Mr Nick What!? A nos nerf AND a drone nerf? They've nerfed Amarr even more!
Rabble. Rabble, rabble, rabble!
What's nerfed about drones you say? I didnt find anything in the patch notes.
Drone ships tend to fit nos in their highslots for PvP - so a nerf to nos is an indirect nerf to drone ships.
An indirect nerf to cookie cutter setups perhaps. I guess many people don't realise you can have a 7-slot tank while dealing over 900 dps on a Dominix... ----------
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Aramendel
Amarr Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.06.15 17:51:00 -
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Originally by: Higgous
Quote: "The attributes of Nosferatu modules have been modified. How? The Undead prefer to keep their secrets."
Taken from the patch notes....
Can someone please clarify if this is a joke i'm not getting, or if NoS has been changed some how.
Cheers
The shocking truth from tux himself.
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Agent Li
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Posted - 2007.06.15 17:56:00 -
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Originally by: Aramendel
Originally by: Higgous
Quote: "The attributes of Nosferatu modules have been modified. How? The Undead prefer to keep their secrets."
Taken from the patch notes....
Can someone please clarify if this is a joke i'm not getting, or if NoS has been changed some how.
Cheers
The shocking truth from tux himself.
(I am so getting banned for posting classified information)
Could you translate what that means in plain English? ------------------
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Wizzkidy
Demonic Retribution Pure.
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Posted - 2007.06.15 18:00:00 -
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I think this means nos is going to be even more over powered
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Silent Sam
Dark-Rising Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2007.06.15 18:31:00 -
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Edited by: Silent Sam on 15/06/2007 18:32:59 Edited by: Silent Sam on 15/06/2007 18:32:06 I think the lower fitting reqs of NOS is a joke, but if it isn't: RCU II x3 or 4 + Curse and assorted Drone Links/Damps = Semi-sniper NOS boat!
75+ km range of uber suckage with diminishing or faction Heavy NOS + drones that can roam 80-100km doing your drity deeds. Damps or disruptors to keep em alive and an MWD to keep range.
Haven't thought it through completely, but fitting over-sized stuff is always fun regardless of functionality
SAM
P.S. Could you imagine if they dropped reqs for nuets as well?
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Xiaodown
Lyran Procurement
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Posted - 2007.06.15 18:53:00 -
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Originally by: Garia666 [
i depend on my pilgrim /curse and if these changes are true then amarr gets nerfed yet again. A nos bonus without being able to nos doesnt make sence Every faction has his specialty and by this amarr`s one gets undone.
Hello, nice to meet you.
I am a Rook pilot.
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Drazin DawnTreader
The Elear
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Posted - 2007.06.15 19:00:00 -
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Originally by: Krugerrand A nos nerf which isn't correctly balanced in terms of the cap drained will consequently make it far easier (too easy) for solo-3 frigs to solo BS.
Uh... 3 frigs wouldn't be solo now would they? Also, I can't really think of 3 frigs that have the DPS to break the average battleship tank. WHat it does mean though, is that Interceptors will be more feared and either WCS start getting used more often or web/drones will be used instead of the "Click, drain, forget"
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Krugerrand
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.06.15 19:26:00 -
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Originally by: Drazin DawnTreader
Originally by: Krugerrand A nos nerf which isn't correctly balanced in terms of the cap drained will consequently make it far easier (too easy) for solo-3 frigs to solo BS.
Uh... 3 frigs wouldn't be solo now would they? Also, I can't really think of 3 frigs that have the DPS to break the average battleship tank. WHat it does mean though, is that Interceptors will be more feared and either WCS start getting used more often or web/drones will be used instead of the "Click, drain, forget"
I meant solo to three frigs (thats what the - was there for).
Their DPS can break a tank, or certainly hold a BS in place for an exceptionally long period of time. Drones are very limited in their use and die quite quickly and since webs are limited to 10km, it increases the capabilities of a frigate considerably.
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Liang Nuren
The Refugees
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Posted - 2007.06.15 19:26:00 -
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Originally by: Xiaodown
Originally by: Garia666 [
i depend on my pilgrim /curse and if these changes are true then amarr gets nerfed yet again. A nos bonus without being able to nos doesnt make sence Every faction has his specialty and by this amarr`s one gets undone.
Hello, nice to meet you.
I am a Rook pilot.
Feel the burn.
ROFL - so so true. I <3 the rook in my gang though.
Liang
Originally by: Dianabolic, of BOB, referring to MSN
the fact that many of us speak to the devs / gm's / employees of CCP on a regular basis as friends is already common knoweldge?
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Liang Nuren
The Refugees
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Posted - 2007.06.15 19:28:00 -
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Originally by: Krugerrand Drones are very limited in their use and die quite quickly and since webs are limited to 10km, it increases the capabilities of a frigate considerably.
Good - because up until now its been completely useless to bring anything less than a cruiser on a pvp op (unless you're the dedicated tackler... and then you better be in an inty).
Liang
Originally by: Dianabolic, of BOB, referring to MSN
the fact that many of us speak to the devs / gm's / employees of CCP on a regular basis as friends is already common knoweldge?
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