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Dane El Daneco Inc. 41	Posted - 2012.01.04 12:39:00 - [31] - Quote Mining is a waste of time. I find it interesting you ever thought it was worthwhile. And I like the justification that missions make more because they're "riskier." It's easier to AFK a mission in my domi than it is to AFK mine. I can walk away for far longer and have far more isk when I return. Although I haven't spent a lot of time on either activity, I'm at 1 hulk suicide ganked, nobody has ever attempted to gank my mission boat. Missions are safer than mining as long as you take the time to know the mission and run it well.
TuonelanOrja Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 165	Posted - 2012.01.04 12:48:00 - [32] - Quote Dane El wrote: Mining is a waste of time. I find it interesting you ever thought it was worthwhile. And I like the justification that missions make more because they're "riskier." It's easier to AFK a mission in my domi than it is to AFK mine. I can walk away for far longer and have far more isk when I return. Although I haven't spent a lot of time on either activity, I'm at 1 hulk suicide ganked, nobody has ever attempted to gank my mission boat. Missions are safer than mining as long as you take the time to know the mission and run it well. How does someone's mining waste your time? what you think next will happen now
Oxandrolone Bite me inc. Narwhals Ate My Duck 5	Posted - 2012.01.04 13:00:00 - [33] - Quote There are a couple reasons why mining is terrible. Bots mine 24/7 365 days a year. I hear that when people are caught botting they get a final warning. They then sell the charicter and buy a new one, the new one has a fresh warning, after a few months they get caught again and just repeat the process. I have purchased a charicter that was probably used for HS botting at some point. Industry 5, mining 5, refining 5, veldspar processing 5, exhumers 5. I hate mining and bought the char for its other skills. I live in wormholes and we frequently pop out in a nullsec that is in the middle of noware with only 2 people in local. Often these people are bots and the just log straght off. Sometimes they are mining bots other times they are ratting bots. Most of the time they are russian. CCP are surely aware of which accounts are botting. From the other players perspective it would be good if CCP insta banned these accounts but thats not a good business model. They would lose alot of revenue in doing this. The other reason people dont mine is because incursions are 99% safe, have high income and are really really easy. As somewon else said. Why would you spend 10 hours mining minerals when you can do incursions for 1 hour and buy them all? Somewon said they mine for free minerals, minerals are only free if your time is worthless....
Skydell Space Mermaids 87	Posted - 2012.01.04 13:07:00 - [34] - Quote Arcathra wrote: I know that Hulks can be ganked easily. I'm not against giving them some more powergrid to tank a bit more. But to be honest, I don't think there is a big issue with gankers. We know how they operate, we know what ships they use, we can choose where we mine and when. I think the preceived risk is a lot higher than the real risk. By the way, I'm also a miner, not exclusively but I like it from time to time. They should be buffed, I agree. The risk in EVE is to undock. After that it's pot luck what meathead you might run in to in game. The idea that any ship would be made with no combat and defense capability in a game that clearly sells itself as a PvP game was either a deliberate oversight or one of apathy. Hulks and Macki are a T2 Hulls that cost 200 Mill to put on the field, compare to a HIC, HAC or any other T2 Cruiser, they have the tank of a weather baloon. They could buff barge tanks by 500% and they still don't have any dps. People in Low sec and null sec will still lose them if they are crazy enough to take them there, it will just take a little longer. So many ships in EVE "designed" assuming the enemy won't do any of the things the enemy would do. Means we are on the topic, I'd like to be able to transfer from cargo bay to cargo bay, stop roping noobs in to jet can traps that have no purpose but to accomodate a griefer.
Mai Khumm Apple Construction Inc Northern Associates. 148	Posted - 2012.01.04 13:10:00 - [35] - Quote McLuckz wrote: Don't mine it now costs 10 mil to gank a hulk. 2-4 Destroyers don't cost 10 mil... James Hetfield, can you please hit the bottle again and make good music?
Luh Windan S T R A T C O M 48	Posted - 2012.01.04 13:15:00 - [36] - Quote of course mining is not very profitable. This isn't even a surprise. The economics of the behaviour of miners tells us that it will be. There are loads of people doing it. You don't try to kill each other (reduce the supply and control your own production to give you an edge) and you compete to sell it rather than price fixing. Mining is basically a race to the bottom. it has nothing to do with being ganked (in fact if it wasn't you that got popped you should be happy -your competition has just taken a hit giving you a slight advantage) OR botters. ( Botters are your competition but only in the same way as your fellow miners and you are all f*king each other over by not price fixing) The oil industry spotted this and setup OPEC to artificially reduce supply and keep prices high. Worth reading up about if you are a miner.
Asuka Solo Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises 1040	Posted - 2012.01.04 13:28:00 - [37] - Quote Mining is something you can do while being AFK. Low risk, low yield. Ratting and anom jewing is more hands on, but can still be done while AFK. Ratting nyx any1? Medium risk, medium yield. Incursions are not an AFK activity. Higher risk, higher yield. Then again, its all relative. I can saddle up all my accounts and go ice mining in hisec, making around 72 mil or so for being afk for an hour. That same fleet will pull in 50 mil an hour mining veld. Or I could try my luck and use them all do jew incursions and make billions. But why even bother with grinding for isk via mining or ratting or agents, when I can just setup PI on each account, pull in multiple billions per month, setup a tower or two and spam BPCs that also net me billions per month?
Dbars Grinding Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation 325	Posted - 2012.01.04 13:36:00 - [38] - Quote McLuckz wrote: Don't mine it now costs 10 mil to gank a hulk. no
1-Up Mushroom Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 1723	Posted - 2012.01.04 13:40:00 - [39] - Quote Arcathra wrote: Working as intended. Mining is the profession with the lowest risk (in most cases) and therefore has the lowest revenue. Actually today, it's probably got the highest risk of getting your ship blown up 5 Senses In A Person... 4 Seasons In A Year... 3 Colors In A Stoplight... 2 Poles On The Earth... ONLY 1-UP MUSHROOM!!!-á If You Like My Sig, Like Me!-áRemember EVE is EVErything!
LordSwift Aurora Section 1	Posted - 2012.01.04 13:42:00 - [40] - Quote ok how would this be a boost to mining :- CCP have mentioned in the past that they were keen on introducing asteroid fields and minable comets. This has not seen the light of day yet. But in the mean time how about as a little boost to mining by making Good ore appear in exploration i.e a,b,c ores. enough in a site to improve the profits of miners perhaps in line with missions. Thoughts? Mal: "If anyone gets nosy, just...you know... shoot 'em. " Zoe: "Shoot 'em?" Mal: "Politely."
oldbutfeelingyoung VIRTUAL EMPIRE VANGUARD Vanguard Ascendants 277	Posted - 2012.01.04 13:43:00 - [41] - Quote another "you earn more then me thread" ,nothing to see here We Rabble Because We Care,BC CCP doesn,t seem to care much
Krixtal Icefluxor Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd 242	Posted - 2012.01.04 13:47:00 - [42] - Quote Battle On wrote: I started this topic because the past few days have been really eye opening for me. when i started out in eve around a year back, mining was a good profitable carreer for newcomers in eve. when im mining atm in my hulk i make around [i]6mill/hour in highsec ................... You are doing something wrong ! I fill my Orca SOLO in :52 minutes, and THAT is at least 21,000,000 ISK. This may be TROLL posting................ OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity"
Chandaris Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel 34	Posted - 2012.01.04 13:52:00 - [43] - Quote Small mining fleet 2-3x miners (pref hulks w/ t2 mining drones and mining rigs) 1-2 haulers making runs back to a base to drop off mins so the miners don't have to break cycle 1x boosting orca w/ mining links - refine on a toon w/ perfect refining, and high standings don't sell your mins, but rather manufacture **** and sell it = profit (and plenty of it) like anything else in eve, if you do it solo, your isk return probably won't be that great, but if you think, train ahead, and form up with some like minded people, the profit margin starts to increase dramatically actual isk/hour, idk.. but do this in null or low and you'll surely make a fair bit highsec mining was never meant to be a moneymaker for veteran players, it's something easy for the new folk to get into.
Othran Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 123	Posted - 2012.01.04 13:55:00 - [44] - Quote I mined first time around in Eve and when I came back I swore that I'd never do it again. Its the least profitable occupation and its NOT the occupation with the least risk. That says it all. Oh and for the "you can do that AFK" people, I can go on holiday and still make isk via trade. I make isk every night while asleep, so "AFK" isn't a good enough justification for how crap mining is. Edit - and a new character can get into trade much much much faster than mining. Hell my main trade alt has 5mill SP or so, if that.
Smodab Ongalot Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel 12	Posted - 2012.01.04 13:58:00 - [45] - Quote We are doing our best to thin out the heard; perhaps mining will gain some subtle improvement in profitability soon?
Luh Windan S T R A T C O M 48	Posted - 2012.01.04 14:02:00 - [46] - Quote Smodab Ongalot wrote: We are doing our best to thin out the heard; perhaps mining will gain some subtle improvement in profitability soon? Seriously, if miners aren't prepared to price fix, then thinning out of the herd is the only way you are going to see improvements in profitability. Miners should be paying the gankers to reduce their competition for them (although judging by the comments in this thread miners just can't see why things are like they are)
Fleetmarshal Hoodmarc 2 Fat Guys 0	Posted - 2012.01.04 14:11:00 - [47] - Quote I just think they need to cut down on the amount of availible ore mysefl.....every damn system has a ton of roids in it. Limiting the number of asteroids raises prices and would make for some exciting competition
Oxandrolone Bite me inc. Narwhals Ate My Duck 5	Posted - 2012.01.04 14:50:00 - [48] - Quote the recent goon attempt to fix the price of gallante ice definatly increased the price of ice, weather or not they made alot of isk i dont know. The serious isk making ventures tend to be things that are not built into the game to make isk but are invested by players. The fewer people that try to make isk from one particular avenue will make more money. Price fixing, and monopolising supply are really big isk makers.
Captain Megadeath Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 36	Posted - 2012.01.04 15:18:00 - [49] - Quote The No1 enemy of miners IS'NT mining bots it's ratters in the drone regions. 1 simple fix would help ore prices for miners, remove drone poo and treat them just like other NPC rats. Hulkageddon and the like will sort out the miningbots/AFK'ers/idiots.
Trdina Rasputin TrueAshera Corp 1	Posted - 2012.01.04 15:33:00 - [50] - Quote Battle On wrote: J3ssica Alba wrote: Some people seem to hate mining with a passion. When I first started eve I found the mining ops with my corp to be fun - running around with my little navitas and t1 mining laser filling my cargo hold with an insignificant amount of minerals while the huge orcas and hulks ripped the huge rocks apart. Couple of years later I kinda miss those mining ops but in the end they aren't worth it. indeed, mining can be fun but with the current isk you get for it, its just a waste of time. It is not waste of time if person have funn with minning. You think you are not wasting time. It is game. What ever you do in game is wasting time. ISK is very important, but FUNN is in first place for some people.
The Snowman Aliastra Gallente Federation 18	Posted - 2012.01.04 16:26:00 - [51] - Quote If you score any activity based solely on its profitability, then yes. You are correct. But if everyone stopped mining, then it would quickly become profitable once again. You have to remember that mining, as an activitiy is quite passive, you dont physically do that much. unlike incursions which.. although they are 'easy' they do require multi-playing, organising and a lot of pro-active stuff. Thats why courier missions arnt very profitable.. or even Planatary interaction. But at some point your going to have so much money that will get bored of incursions and what to invest your riches in something else just gotta remember that aquiring ISK is an endless quest and that there is far more to life.. er I mean eve :)
Hung TuLo Heavy Asset Relocation Inc 30	Posted - 2012.01.04 18:06:00 - [52] - Quote Asuka Solo wrote: Mining is something you can do while being AFK. Low risk, low yield. Ratting and anom jewing is more hands on, but can still be done while AFK. Ratting nyx any1? Medium risk, medium yield. Incursions are not an AFK activity. Higher risk, higher yield. Then again, its all relative. I can saddle up all my accounts and go ice mining in hisec, making around 72 mil or so for being afk for an hour. That same fleet will pull in 50 mil an hour mining veld. Or I could try my luck and use them all to jew incursions and make billions in a few hours. But why even bother with grinding for isk online via mining or ratting or agents, when I can just setup PI on each account, pull in multiple billions per month, setup a tower or two and spam BPCs that also net me billions per month for being OFFLINE? I don't understand how you can be afk for a hour. you have to move the ice or ore from your hold in to a container of some sort dont you after a period of time? "In space all warriors are cold warriors" ----á General Chang-á Star Trek VI
Ladie Harlot GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1405	Posted - 2012.01.04 18:24:00 - [53] - Quote Oxandrolone wrote: the recent goon attempt to fix the price of gallante ice definatly increased the price of ice, weather or not they made alot of isk i dont know. Between technetium and the ice interdiction we are so rich our ship reimbursement program recently started reimbursing Machariels at 100% The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Pavel Bidermann Aliastra Gallente Federation 60	Posted - 2012.01.04 18:34:00 - [54] - Quote When I started I did a lot of afk mining since I was filling an industrial with a mining laser. Took an hour and a half a load. I don't do that anymore but I still like to mine. Finding a good belt makes me happy. I now have a second account for the Orca so hauling is easy. I manufacture and play market as well, so mining fits in nicely. Not as profitable as other things, but I can squeeze in some mining whenever I want without it being a problem. I like to mine and I like to make and sell stuff. That about sums it up. Been in null. Hated it with an unbridled fury. Boring beyond belief. Low sec was okay, but no profit in it at all. So I'm back in high sec for better game play. Just like Goons, who also came to high sec to gank unarmed ships because null was so awesome that even ganking was better.
Forum Fighter Internet Tough Guys 42	Posted - 2012.01.04 18:38:00 - [55] - Quote According to the CSM Chairman, mining is a waste of time, yes. Actually everything in high-sec is a waste of time. New players should immediately report to null sec to be ganked and griefed by his alliance and like it. Bearer of the 1600mm Tinfoil HatGäó
J Kunjeh 310	Posted - 2012.01.04 18:38:00 - [56] - Quote Ladie Harlot wrote: Oxandrolone wrote: the recent goon attempt to fix the price of gallante ice definatly increased the price of ice, weather or not they made alot of isk i dont know. Between technetium and the ice interdiction we are so rich our ship reimbursement program recently started reimbursing Machariels at 100% And if you believe that, I have ocean front property to sell you in Hek. "The world as we know it came about through an anomaly (anomou)" (The Gospel of Philip, 1-5)-á
Ladie Harlot GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1406	Posted - 2012.01.04 18:40:00 - [57] - Quote J Kunjeh wrote: Ladie Harlot wrote: Oxandrolone wrote: the recent goon attempt to fix the price of gallante ice definatly increased the price of ice, weather or not they made alot of isk i dont know. Between technetium and the ice interdiction we are so rich our ship reimbursement program recently started reimbursing Machariels at 100% And if you believe that, I have ocean front property to sell you in Hek. What's really funny is that this time I'm not even trolling. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
J Kunjeh 310	Posted - 2012.01.04 18:44:00 - [58] - Quote Ladie Harlot wrote: J Kunjeh wrote: Ladie Harlot wrote: Oxandrolone wrote: the recent goon attempt to fix the price of gallante ice definatly increased the price of ice, weather or not they made alot of isk i dont know. Between technetium and the ice interdiction we are so rich our ship reimbursement program recently started reimbursing Machariels at 100% And if you believe that, I have ocean front property to sell you in Hek. What's really funny is that this time I'm not even trolling. I wouldn't admit that where your Highness The Mittens can see it...I think you're supposed to troll 110% of the time as one of his lowly servants, aren't you? "The world as we know it came about through an anomaly (anomou)" (The Gospel of Philip, 1-5)-á
Ladie Harlot GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1406	Posted - 2012.01.04 18:48:00 - [59] - Quote J Kunjeh wrote: Ladie Harlot wrote: J Kunjeh wrote: Ladie Harlot wrote: Oxandrolone wrote: the recent goon attempt to fix the price of gallante ice definatly increased the price of ice, weather or not they made alot of isk i dont know. Between technetium and the ice interdiction we are so rich our ship reimbursement program recently started reimbursing Machariels at 100% And if you believe that, I have ocean front property to sell you in Hek. What's really funny is that this time I'm not even trolling. I wouldn't admit that where your Highness The Mittens can see it...I think you're supposed to troll 110% of the time as one of his lowly servants, aren't you? When we are so rich that we can reimburse Machariels the need for straight up trolling is seriously diminished. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
TuonelanOrja Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 166	Posted - 2012.01.04 18:49:00 - [60] - Quote J Kunjeh wrote: Ladie Harlot wrote: J Kunjeh wrote: Ladie Harlot wrote: Oxandrolone wrote: the recent goon attempt to fix the price of gallante ice definatly increased the price of ice, weather or not they made alot of isk i dont know. Between technetium and the ice interdiction we are so rich our ship reimbursement program recently started reimbursing Machariels at 100% And if you believe that, I have ocean front property to sell you in Hek. What's really funny is that this time I'm not even trolling. I wouldn't admit that where your Highness The Mittens can see it...I think you're supposed to troll 110% of the time as one of his lowly servants, aren't you? Dude your tan.Kids don't buy cheap solarium lamp! Not a veteran, just bitter..

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