Don't mine it now costs 10 mil to gank a hulk.

Some people enjoy mining and couldnt imagine doing anything else.......cant say I have ever met one of those people but I'm sure they are out there

I mine when I need free minerals.

i think this is just insane. miners these days have just no good chance of making great money

yeah but why would you mine if you can just run 1 vanguard site, get 10mill and buy the minerals? 1 vanguard sited (with a good fleet) only takes 4-6 minutes.

Only has been like this for the last 5 years or so mate , the moment lvl4 missions was introduced the fnal blow was deliverd

Some people seem to hate mining with a passion. When I first started eve I found the mining ops with my corp to be fun - running around with my little navitas and t1 mining laser filling my cargo hold with an insignificant amount of minerals while the huge orcas and hulks ripped the huge rocks apart. Couple of years later I kinda miss those mining ops but in the end they aren't worth it.

Incursions require human interaction especially if you fc...some people are so anti-social that for them the lack of any human interaction in EVE makes it enjoyable

I started this topic because the past few days have been really eye opening for me.
when i started out in eve around a year back, mining was a good profitable carreer for newcomers in eve.

when im mining atm in my hulk i make around 6mill/hour in highsec and around 20-30mill in nullsec
later on i learned that PvE brings more money on missions or deadspace pockets. so i turned to that for a while.
this turned out great and i was on a decent 20-50mill/hour with my T1 battleship

the past few days, i started doing Incursions and that was just a real shock to me. for the first time in my eve carreer im making more money then ever before. if you are in a decent Vanguard fleet, you can make EASILY around 90-120mill / hour in highsec!

i think this is just insane. miners these days have just no good chance of making great money since the rewards on incursions are just outrages. i really think that miners should be helped since 6mill/hour is nothing compared to the 90-120mill combat pilots make in highsec atm...

i even think that if we go on like this, that there wont even be miners in the future, simply because active people will run incursions and only a few botter will mine, or maybe they will create some sort of incursion fleetrunning macro or something and also change to incursions. we dont want that to happen do we?

What do you guys think?

Ice mining in deep null sec seem to have it's uses.

i even think that if we go on like this, that there wont even be miners in the future

Working as intended.

Mining is the profession with the lowest risk (in most cases) and therefore has the lowest revenue.
Mission running is a bit better, because there is more risk involved.
Incursions are even more risky so you get the best payouts.

Mining and missioning can be done alone. For Incursions you need a reliable fleet that doesn't break or blow up and in many cases an expensive ship and good skills, so you may not be able to do so much ISK per hour constantly and need a lot of time until you can start to do them effectively. Even with missions you can be unlucky sometimes and to do them fast you have to invest a lot of ISK in your ships, too.

By the way, mineral prices are not that bad at the moment, havn't seen them rise as much for a while.

The bottom line is, do what is the most fun for you. There are people who enjoy mining even with a revenue that low. Other people like to make as much ISK per hour as possible. To each their own.

true, people can easily afford ganks now if they wanna ruin newcomers lives.

There is that risk word again.

As pointed out you can be popped in a hulk with 10 mill ships. That won't happen in a mission Domi or Raven but because a rat is locking you that has no chance in hell of blowing you up it's "risk".

Nope, CCP like the carebear dollars, they just don't want to address anything in the game that doesn't directly cater to the PvP bears.

PS. Mining is not working as intended. It's not supposed to rival incursion farming, but it's supposed to provide a decent income for people who specialize in it. Currently it doesn't because other sources of minerals are so abundant, that unless they are nerfed or removed entirely, mining will always be crap even if you get rid of every bot or no matter how much you alter mining as an activity.