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James 315
Yet Another CAOD-Inspired 1-Man Alt Corp
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Posted - 2007.06.15 21:36:00 -
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Hello gentle Eve player, and welcome to part 1 of a 12-part series, entitled "Strategic Decisionmaking for 0.0 Alliances 101", sponsored by the public relations division of Yet Another CAOD-Inspired 1-Man Alt Corp. In today's thread, we will be examining Seleene's upcoming dilemma as leader of the Mercenary Coalition. Do YOU have what it takes to make the right decision? Let's find out!
So here's the lowdown: earlier in the year, BoB was struggling against the weight of the northern and southern coalitions, and its chief ally Lotka Volterra was completely obliterated. The carebear-heavy D2 alliance began violating BoB's northern border. Despite BoB's reputation and D2's lack of PvP expertise, BoB could not break the deadlock. So BoB ordered MC to attack D2.
MC dutifully accepted and was immediately mocked as a non-neutral non-mercenary alliance, another "BoB pet". But MC remained professional, eviscerating D2 and accomplishing with a fraction of the numbers what BoB was unable to do. MC was assisted by YouWhat, another alliance called a BoB pet but largely outside of BoB's control, and Triumvirate, an alliance that chooses not to enter "the Alliance". Combined, these entities stand poised to destroy RAZOR and dominate the north of Eve.
Though the facts on the ground do not reflect it, the masses of Eve view this as BoB's conquest of the north, because MC headed the effort and is considered a BoB pet. Meanwhile, MC's pilots feel worthy of being considered at least the equal of BoB, and desire to have a slice of the galaxy of their own--not dispensed at the goodwill of SirMolle. The Xelas incident is an all too timely reminder of the difference between a BoB renter and an independent power.
With RAZOR crushed and resistance in the north at an end, SirMolle contacts Seleene, telling him to abandon his hard-won space in the north and assist him in the south against the Russians and Goons. What should Seleene do?
ADVANTAGES OF REMAINING IN THE NORTH
- Maintain your own space outside of BoB's control, gaining independence.
- Gain new territory by building on the gains of the previous campaign.
- Become the center of a new power bloc friendly to BoB but not beholden to it (in essence, the BoB of the north).
- Shape the future of the "unaligned powers", such as Triumvirate.
ADVANTAGES OF MOVING TO FIGHT IN THE SOUTHEAST
- Continue to prove loyalty to SirMolle.
- Lots of interesting pew-pew.
- Learn to read Local smacktalk in new languages.
- Loot empty or T1-filled wrecks of annoying Goons.
- Lose (more) motherships to the Russians, making for great battle reports.
- Enhance BoB's reputation while cementing status as BoB pet.
Indeed, it is a difficult decision. Which path would YOU take, and why?
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Neveren
Caldari
Setenta Corp
Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.15 21:40:00 -
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Cool
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Waagaa Ktlehr
Amarr
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.06.15 21:41:00 -
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Why are you posting this on an alt?
It could be an interesting discussion to have.
I might debate a couple of your "facts", but I don't see a need to hide behind an alt.
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dastommy79
Artic Blue
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.15 21:42:00 -
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I would also like to know what Seleene is gonna have for lunch tomorrow, can we get an offical MC reply please?
A guy from GONADS said my alliance is dead.....
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Grim Faust
Kinetic Vector
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.15 21:44:00 -
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Since you've posted on an alt and a lock is imminent...
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Pepperami
Art of War
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.06.15 21:46:00 -
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wow. what a beard.
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Ayalen
Minmatar
Black Serpent Technologies
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Posted - 2007.06.15 21:47:00 -
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Interesting Thought, to shame a alt posted it
and IBTL
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Dianabolic
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.15 21:48:00 -
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 Originally by: Ayalen
Interesting Thought, to shame a alt posted it
and IBTL
This.
Reikoku Diplomatic Forums |
Ghost Reaper
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.15 21:48:00 -
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were can i get some of them glasses? there leet!
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Grim Faust
Kinetic Vector
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.15 21:49:00 -
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Originally by: Dianabolic
Originally by: Ayalen
Interesting Thought, to shame a alt posted it
and IBTL
This.
You shouldn't put links on the forum to profane websites, it could get you in trouble!
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Icomeinpeace
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.15 21:50:00 -
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I DONT KNOW WHATS BIGGER, MC'S DECISION,THAT DUDES BEARD OR MY CAPS LOCK KEY.
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Zrevak Ashek
Beagle Corp
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Posted - 2007.06.15 21:51:00 -
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Originally by: Pepperami
wow. what a beard.
Must be a RL picture of...waaaait for it...Weird Beard!
On topic? A little bird whispered in my ear telling me things like: "MC is considering distansing themselves from BOB" 
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Vulpis Lenchov
Digital Fury Corporation
Digital Renegades
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Posted - 2007.06.15 21:53:00 -
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James 315 is not an alt, he was a member of the first corp I was in, and started the game at the same time I did (I knew him pre-eve).
Back to your lairs, trolls.
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Marko Debreault
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.06.15 21:55:00 -
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The MC and friend's astonishing success in the North owes a lot to the careful nurturing of the plan that Seleene and company hatched a long, long time ago - they were going to be the mercs with the hardware to do alliance level jobs. They began the arms race to build capital ships right at the beginning, they've continued strong the entire time, and now they are proving that their vision was a valid one.
So I suppose their success has brought them a lot of options, but those options are the fruit of having won the arms race. And they didn't win it easily - they worked their bums off to win it. They erected 3 outposts and they built capships like crazy.
Their present success is the result of a lot of hard work. They'll plan their future in whatever way they see fit to match Seleene and co's multi-year vision, but the infrastructure that allowed them their current victory is all sitting in Delve. They will probably consider that when they make their decision.
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Cassius Hawkeye
Minmatar
UK Corp
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.15 21:56:00 -
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I would go for option c)
But then i've had 7 pints 2 double JD's and a Absinthe...
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Robert Dobbs
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.15 21:59:00 -
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Originally by: James 315
BoB was struggling against the weight of the northern and southern coalitions
I got to this point in the post, decided to look who was posting, saw it was James 315 and realised any hope of the post being in any way truthful was futile.
POST WITH YOUR MAIN
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Hysidee
Black Avatar
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.06.15 22:05:00 -
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Originally by: Zrevak Ashek
Originally by: Pepperami
wow. what a beard.
Must be a RL picture of...waaaait for it...Weird Beard!
This comment made me spill my drink
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Smooth Red
Caldari
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2007.06.15 22:05:00 -
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why would they want to move north and own space? if they did that they would no longer be the MERCENARY COALITION! They would just be another alliance. Hard to accept contracts on the other side of the universe if you have to worry about defending your own space. Geez, and I'm the one in Eve-Uni
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SATAN
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2007.06.15 22:05:00 -
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MC has no reason to undermine their relationship with BoB, they work well together.
Besides that MC's home is perfect for them, why would they want anything else for such a small alliance.
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Narciss Sevar
Caldari
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.06.15 22:07:00 -
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Originally by: Grim Faust
Since you've posted on an alt and a lock is imminent...
omg it hygelac... 
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Grim Faust
Kinetic Vector
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.15 22:08:00 -
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I wanna see MC, Tri and Burn Eden tag team BoB. That would be nifty.
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Toffles
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.15 22:10:00 -
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Edited by: Toffles on 15/06/2007 22:08:40
Wow, BoB must be running out of money from all these merc contract fees.
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Blacklight
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.15 22:13:00 -
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Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr
I might debate a couple of your "facts", but I don't see a need to hide behind an alt.
Only a couple? There's a lot of spin in the OP to put it mildly.
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DeltaH
NOBODY Inc.
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Posted - 2007.06.15 22:16:00 -
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Originally by: Smooth Red
why would they want to move north and own space? if they did that they would no longer be the MERCENARY COALITION! They would just be another alliance.
I think that is what initially drove MC to make a deal with a larger 0.0 alliance to house them: they would no longer be a Mercenary force but instead just like every other territory claiming alliance. The only difference? They will attack whoever for ISK.
Fast forward a year or two, and the idea of being a territory alliance who goes on road trips for ISK and attacks near everyone with one of the largest capital fleets in the game doesn't seem like a bad one. It has already been shown that trying to prove to COAD that you are Mercenaries is fruitless, so you might as well do whatever you think is fun instead of worrying about what other people think you should be doing.
Anyways, the OP sucks, but MC doesn't, so it is interesting.
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Narciss Sevar
Caldari
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.06.15 22:24:00 -
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Originally by: DeltaH
Originally by: Smooth Red
It has already been shown that trying to prove to COAD that you are Mercenaries is fruitless
I don't think any denies MC aren't mercs, they just aren't equal opportunity mercs anymore. 
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scabbsssjr
Gallente
M'8'S
Frontal Impact
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Posted - 2007.06.15 22:25:00 -
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Originally by: Blacklight
Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr
I might debate a couple of your "facts", but I don't see a need to hide behind an alt.
Only a couple? There's a lot of spin in the OP to put it mildly.
For 50m I will correct his post. Offer stands for 24 hours.
To the OP. I doubt MC will want to stay up north. They built 4 outposts in one constellation with a capital ship yard, why threw 160b down the drain? Not to even mention a very good friendship.
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Originally by: Ductoris
At this rate I'm going to ask for a BOB sub-forum.
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Cadiz
Caldari
No Quarter.
Vae Victis.
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Posted - 2007.06.15 22:28:00 -
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Originally by: Toffles
Edited by: Toffles on 15/06/2007 22:08:40
Wow, BoB must be running out of money from all these merc contract fees.
I personally kinda suspect that BoB is paying MC for the current northern campaign in kind rather than in cash. Supercapitals, probably.
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Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
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Posted - 2007.06.15 22:31:00 -
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Edited by: Gnulpie on 15/06/2007 22:33:39
Hmm, hmm. I am not so sure about your "facts". And if the premises are not correct then you can conclude everything, but that has no value then.
For example was it not only MC who 'conquered' the north. Many different alliances were and are involved. Look for example at Triumvirate, they are not associated with BoB (at least not that I know), but they still attacked. Furthermore...Razor is crushed you say? I wouldn't underestimate them. What does it mean that they lost sov and stations? It means that they don't need to fuel the pos there any more and that the burden of logistics is on the new people there, their cap fleet (if they have any!) is not at all crushed, there are no big losses reported. Resistance is still going on etc...
But it is true, MC's reputation suffered I think. Many people see them nothing more than an extension of BoB, some sort of BoB's special operation forces. I have no clue if MC is content with that reputation or if they care about it at all.
Yet I don't think that any 'reputation' considerations would influence the decision of BoB (because it is them to decide what MC will do because it is BoB's contract). The question is only: is MC worth more to BoB in the north or maybe moving around somewhere else is better.
So...the question you should ask is: does MC want to continue being mercs or do they want to settle down somewhat and become a territorial power to some degree. With Rev2 and the change in the sov system this is is indeed a valid question because (MC and others) cap fleet became more or less useless now for attacking.
Edit: spelling
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DeltaH
NOBODY Inc.
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Posted - 2007.06.15 22:40:00 -
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Originally by: Narciss Sevar
Originally by: DeltaH
It has already been shown that trying to prove to COAD that you are Mercenaries is fruitless
I don't think any denies MC aren't mercs, they just aren't equal opportunity mercs anymore.
Disagree. The forums were full of posts that MC weren't mercs anymore due to renting space from BoB. If MC decided to claim space people would be ready use that as a reason MC aren't mercs.
You could either let it bother you, which it did bother MC judging by constant replies of justification to the trolls, or you could get over it and just do what you want. This is just my opinion, but I think 6 months ago MC cared about their perception as Mercs and now they feel vindicated enough to let their Merc playstyle evolve into any way they want.
Marko is probably right though and MC was at this point 2 years ago. This is why I'm a nobody.
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Lumy
Eve University
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Posted - 2007.06.15 22:42:00 -
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Wow, this thread has got it almost all. Alt OP in alt corp to bypass CAOD rules, baseless speculations and suggestions, what should MC do, huge non-linked picture, BoB, "pet" word, etc.
What do we need is some more fish for trolls and kerosene to lighten it up with flames. Or maybe Mod with *clicky*.
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