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James 315 Yet Another CAOD-Inspired 1-Man Alt Corp	Posted - 2007.06.15 21:36:00 - [1] Hello gentle Eve player, and welcome to part 1 of a 12-part series, entitled "Strategic Decisionmaking for 0.0 Alliances 101", sponsored by the public relations division of Yet Another CAOD-Inspired 1-Man Alt Corp. In today's thread, we will be examining Seleene's upcoming dilemma as leader of the Mercenary Coalition. Do YOU have what it takes to make the right decision? Let's find out! So here's the lowdown: earlier in the year, BoB was struggling against the weight of the northern and southern coalitions, and its chief ally Lotka Volterra was completely obliterated. The carebear-heavy D2 alliance began violating BoB's northern border. Despite BoB's reputation and D2's lack of PvP expertise, BoB could not break the deadlock. So BoB ordered MC to attack D2. MC dutifully accepted and was immediately mocked as a non-neutral non-mercenary alliance, another "BoB pet". But MC remained professional, eviscerating D2 and accomplishing with a fraction of the numbers what BoB was unable to do. MC was assisted by YouWhat, another alliance called a BoB pet but largely outside of BoB's control, and Triumvirate, an alliance that chooses not to enter "the Alliance". Combined, these entities stand poised to destroy RAZOR and dominate the north of Eve. Though the facts on the ground do not reflect it, the masses of Eve view this as BoB's conquest of the north, because MC headed the effort and is considered a BoB pet. Meanwhile, MC's pilots feel worthy of being considered at least the equal of BoB, and desire to have a slice of the galaxy of their own--not dispensed at the goodwill of SirMolle. The Xelas incident is an all too timely reminder of the difference between a BoB renter and an independent power. With RAZOR crushed and resistance in the north at an end, SirMolle contacts Seleene, telling him to abandon his hard-won space in the north and assist him in the south against the Russians and Goons. What should Seleene do? ADVANTAGES OF REMAINING IN THE NORTH - Maintain your own space outside of BoB's control, gaining independence. - Gain new territory by building on the gains of the previous campaign. - Become the center of a new power bloc friendly to BoB but not beholden to it (in essence, the BoB of the north). - Shape the future of the "unaligned powers", such as Triumvirate. ADVANTAGES OF MOVING TO FIGHT IN THE SOUTHEAST - Continue to prove loyalty to SirMolle. - Lots of interesting pew-pew. - Learn to read Local smacktalk in new languages. - Loot empty or T1-filled wrecks of annoying Goons. - Lose (more) motherships to the Russians, making for great battle reports. - Enhance BoB's reputation while cementing status as BoB pet. Indeed, it is a difficult decision. Which path would YOU take, and why?
Neveren Caldari Setenta Corp Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.15 21:40:00 - [2] Cool
Waagaa Ktlehr Amarr Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.15 21:41:00 - [3] Why are you posting this on an alt? It could be an interesting discussion to have. I might debate a couple of your "facts", but I don't see a need to hide behind an alt. - -
dastommy79 Artic Blue Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.15 21:42:00 - [4] I would also like to know what Seleene is gonna have for lunch tomorrow, can we get an offical MC reply please? A guy from GONADS said my alliance is dead..... It must be true :P
Grim Faust Kinetic Vector Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.15 21:44:00 - [5] Since you've posted on an alt and a lock is imminent... __________________________________________________ I survived CCP eating all my sigs and all I got was a crappy colorful moderator message... colorful? -Sahwoolo ... =(
Pepperami Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2007.06.15 21:46:00 - [6] wow. what a beard.
Ayalen Minmatar Black Serpent Technologies	Posted - 2007.06.15 21:47:00 - [7] Interesting Thought, to shame a alt posted it and IBTL WE ARE RECRUTING
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.15 21:48:00 - [8] Originally by: Ayalen Interesting Thought, to shame a alt posted it and IBTL This. Reikoku Diplomatic Forums
Ghost Reaper Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.15 21:48:00 - [9] were can i get some of them glasses? there leet! Gr
Grim Faust Kinetic Vector Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.15 21:49:00 - [10] Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Ayalen Interesting Thought, to shame a alt posted it and IBTL This. You shouldn't put links on the forum to profane websites, it could get you in trouble! __________________________________________________ I survived CCP eating all my sigs and all I got was a crappy colorful moderator message... colorful? -Sahwoolo ... =(

Icomeinpeace Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.15 21:50:00 - [11] I DONT KNOW WHATS BIGGER, MC'S DECISION,THAT DUDES BEARD OR MY CAPS LOCK KEY.
Zrevak Ashek Beagle Corp	Posted - 2007.06.15 21:51:00 - [12] Originally by: Pepperami wow. what a beard. Must be a RL picture of...waaaait for it...Weird Beard! On topic? A little bird whispered in my ear telling me things like: "MC is considering distansing themselves from BOB"
Vulpis Lenchov Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.06.15 21:53:00 - [13] James 315 is not an alt, he was a member of the first corp I was in, and started the game at the same time I did (I knew him pre-eve). Back to your lairs, trolls.
Marko Debreault 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.06.15 21:55:00 - [14] The MC and friend's astonishing success in the North owes a lot to the careful nurturing of the plan that Seleene and company hatched a long, long time ago - they were going to be the mercs with the hardware to do alliance level jobs. They began the arms race to build capital ships right at the beginning, they've continued strong the entire time, and now they are proving that their vision was a valid one. So I suppose their success has brought them a lot of options, but those options are the fruit of having won the arms race. And they didn't win it easily - they worked their bums off to win it. They erected 3 outposts and they built capships like crazy. Their present success is the result of a lot of hard work. They'll plan their future in whatever way they see fit to match Seleene and co's multi-year vision, but the infrastructure that allowed them their current victory is all sitting in Delve. They will probably consider that when they make their decision.
Cassius Hawkeye Minmatar UK Corp FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.15 21:56:00 - [15] I would go for option c) But then i've had 7 pints 2 double JD's and a Absinthe...
Robert Dobbs Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.15 21:59:00 - [16] Originally by: James 315 BoB was struggling against the weight of the northern and southern coalitions I got to this point in the post, decided to look who was posting, saw it was James 315 and realised any hope of the post being in any way truthful was futile. POST WITH YOUR MAIN --------- <Talon`dor\|Work> Arma - yeah but we call BNC dirty boosterhoes
Hysidee Black Avatar Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.06.15 22:05:00 - [17] Originally by: Zrevak Ashek Originally by: Pepperami wow. what a beard. Must be a RL picture of...waaaait for it...Weird Beard! This comment made me spill my drink
Smooth Red Caldari Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.06.15 22:05:00 - [18] why would they want to move north and own space? if they did that they would no longer be the MERCENARY COALITION! They would just be another alliance. Hard to accept contracts on the other side of the universe if you have to worry about defending your own space. Geez, and I'm the one in Eve-Uni
SATAN BURN EDEN	Posted - 2007.06.15 22:05:00 - [19] MC has no reason to undermine their relationship with BoB, they work well together. Besides that MC's home is perfect for them, why would they want anything else for such a small alliance.
Narciss Sevar Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.06.15 22:07:00 - [20] Originally by: Grim Faust Since you've posted on an alt and a lock is imminent... omg it hygelac... snip Signature breaks the Forum Rules. If you have questions email us with a link to your signature -Eldo ([email protected])

Grim Faust Kinetic Vector Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.15 22:08:00 - [21] I wanna see MC, Tri and Burn Eden tag team BoB. That would be nifty. __________________________________________________ I survived CCP eating all my sigs and all I got was a crappy colorful moderator message... colorful? -Sahwoolo ... =(
Toffles GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.06.15 22:10:00 - [22] Edited by: Toffles on 15/06/2007 22:08:40 Wow, BoB must be running out of money from all these merc contract fees.
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.15 22:13:00 - [23] Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr I might debate a couple of your "facts", but I don't see a need to hide behind an alt. Only a couple? There's a lot of spin in the OP to put it mildly. Blog
DeltaH NOBODY Inc.	Posted - 2007.06.15 22:16:00 - [24] Originally by: Smooth Red why would they want to move north and own space? if they did that they would no longer be the MERCENARY COALITION! They would just be another alliance. I think that is what initially drove MC to make a deal with a larger 0.0 alliance to house them: they would no longer be a Mercenary force but instead just like every other territory claiming alliance. The only difference? They will attack whoever for ISK. Fast forward a year or two, and the idea of being a territory alliance who goes on road trips for ISK and attacks near everyone with one of the largest capital fleets in the game doesn't seem like a bad one. It has already been shown that trying to prove to COAD that you are Mercenaries is fruitless, so you might as well do whatever you think is fun instead of worrying about what other people think you should be doing. Anyways, the OP sucks, but MC doesn't, so it is interesting.
Narciss Sevar Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.06.15 22:24:00 - [25] Originally by: DeltaH Originally by: Smooth Red It has already been shown that trying to prove to COAD that you are Mercenaries is fruitless I don't think any denies MC aren't mercs, they just aren't equal opportunity mercs anymore. snip Signature breaks the Forum Rules. If you have questions email us with a link to your signature -Eldo ([email protected])
scabbsssjr Gallente M'8'S Frontal Impact	Posted - 2007.06.15 22:25:00 - [26] Originally by: Blacklight Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr I might debate a couple of your "facts", but I don't see a need to hide behind an alt. Only a couple? There's a lot of spin in the OP to put it mildly. For 50m I will correct his post. Offer stands for 24 hours. To the OP. I doubt MC will want to stay up north. They built 4 outposts in one constellation with a capital ship yard, why threw 160b down the drain? Not to even mention a very good friendship. --------------------------- Originally by: Ductoris At this rate I'm going to ask for a BOB sub-forum.
Cadiz Caldari No Quarter. Vae Victis.	Posted - 2007.06.15 22:28:00 - [27] Originally by: Toffles Edited by: Toffles on 15/06/2007 22:08:40 Wow, BoB must be running out of money from all these merc contract fees. I personally kinda suspect that BoB is paying MC for the current northern campaign in kind rather than in cash. Supercapitals, probably. ------ Director, No Quarter "There is no problem that cannot be solved by the judicious application of violence."
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2007.06.15 22:31:00 - [28] Edited by: Gnulpie on 15/06/2007 22:33:39 Hmm, hmm. I am not so sure about your "facts". And if the premises are not correct then you can conclude everything, but that has no value then. For example was it not only MC who 'conquered' the north. Many different alliances were and are involved. Look for example at Triumvirate, they are not associated with BoB (at least not that I know), but they still attacked. Furthermore...Razor is crushed you say? I wouldn't underestimate them. What does it mean that they lost sov and stations? It means that they don't need to fuel the pos there any more and that the burden of logistics is on the new people there, their cap fleet (if they have any!) is not at all crushed, there are no big losses reported. Resistance is still going on etc... But it is true, MC's reputation suffered I think. Many people see them nothing more than an extension of BoB, some sort of BoB's special operation forces. I have no clue if MC is content with that reputation or if they care about it at all. Yet I don't think that any 'reputation' considerations would influence the decision of BoB (because it is them to decide what MC will do because it is BoB's contract). The question is only: is MC worth more to BoB in the north or maybe moving around somewhere else is better. So...the question you should ask is: does MC want to continue being mercs or do they want to settle down somewhat and become a territorial power to some degree. With Rev2 and the change in the sov system this is is indeed a valid question because (MC and others) cap fleet became more or less useless now for attacking. Edit: spelling
DeltaH NOBODY Inc.	Posted - 2007.06.15 22:40:00 - [29] Originally by: Narciss Sevar Originally by: DeltaH It has already been shown that trying to prove to COAD that you are Mercenaries is fruitless I don't think any denies MC aren't mercs, they just aren't equal opportunity mercs anymore. Disagree. The forums were full of posts that MC weren't mercs anymore due to renting space from BoB. If MC decided to claim space people would be ready use that as a reason MC aren't mercs. You could either let it bother you, which it did bother MC judging by constant replies of justification to the trolls, or you could get over it and just do what you want. This is just my opinion, but I think 6 months ago MC cared about their perception as Mercs and now they feel vindicated enough to let their Merc playstyle evolve into any way they want. Marko is probably right though and MC was at this point 2 years ago. This is why I'm a nobody.
Lumy Eve University	Posted - 2007.06.15 22:42:00 - [30] Wow, this thread has got it almost all. Alt OP in alt corp to bypass CAOD rules, baseless speculations and suggestions, what should MC do, huge non-linked picture, BoB, "pet" word, etc. What do we need is some more fish for trolls and kerosene to lighten it up with flames. Or maybe Mod with clicky.

crice Caldari CRICE Corporation Vigilance Infinitas	Posted - 2007.06.15 22:42:00 - [31] All in all I have always preferred Taco Bell over Del Taco, something about them 1 Pounders that just rock late night. crice
Zrevak Ashek Beagle Corp	Posted - 2007.06.15 22:48:00 - [32] Originally by: Lumy Wow, this thread has got it almost all. Alt OP in alt corp to bypass CAOD rules, baseless speculations and suggestions, what should MC do, huge non-linked picture, BoB, "pet" word, etc. What do we need is some more fish for trolls and kerosene to lighten it up with flames. Or maybe Mod with clicky. As a matter of fact, the OP is not an alt. He's just pretending
DeltaH NOBODY Inc.	Posted - 2007.06.15 22:53:00 - [33] Originally by: Gnulpie But it is true, MC's reputation suffered I think. Many people see them nothing more than an extension of BoB, some sort of BoB's special operation forces. I have no clue if MC is content with that reputation or if they care about it at all. I don't think they care. If you called MC BoB's lapdogs before the war, it would be a thread full of smack. If you call MC BoB's lapdogs now, they just smile knowing they kicked the **** out of one of the top 3 power blocs in the game.
Minigin Ganja Labs	Posted - 2007.06.15 22:53:00 - [34] they can not claim their own space... how would they ever be a neutral merc entity ever again. MINIGIN! now posting in "limegreen"
Cindy Goodwill Caldari Seahorse inc.	Posted - 2007.06.15 22:58:00 - [35] Originally by: Kvarium Ki Originally by: Grim Faust I wanna see MC, Tri and Burn Eden tag team BoB. That would be nifty. You forgot Outbeak. KK. Cool idea but I doubt you would see 0utbreak fly together with burn eden soon.
Grim Faust Kinetic Vector Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.15 23:00:00 - [36] Edited by: Grim Faust on 15/06/2007 22:59:22 Even mercenaries need homes, but they have that in Period Basis. I wouldn't be surprised if they abandoned what they have in the north, those stations are simply liabilities to them and nothing more. __________________________________________________ I survived CCP eating all my sigs and all I got was a crappy colorful moderator message... colorful? -Sahwoolo ... =(
QwaarJet Gallente hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.06.15 23:00:00 - [37] Quote: With RAZOR crushed and resistance in the north at an end What the hell are you smoking? "Hobbes, she stepped into the Perimeter Of Wisdom.Run!"
Asero Lilium Venture Initiative	Posted - 2007.06.15 23:06:00 - [38] what MC does is there business. They seem to adapt and survive very well. The ability to unanchor and move capital shipyards with the new patch will also mean that MC's investment is mitigated to only outposts, of which they have conquered, 20? in the last few months. Will they stay or will they go? who knows.
Kieranda Weyland-Yutani Future Technologies Inc.	Posted - 2007.06.15 23:18:00 - [39] Edited by: Kieranda on 15/06/2007 23:18:01 Originally by: DeltaH I think that is what initially drove MC to make a deal with a larger 0.0 alliance to house them: they would no longer be a Mercenary force but instead just like every other territory claiming alliance. The only difference? They will attack whoever for ISK. just a question: have you been sleeping during history lessions at school? some people here have a very weird definition of a mercenary and no, they don't have to be neutral
Seleene Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.15 23:41:00 - [40] OH YUMMY!!! Our Campaign Report will be published Sunday evening but this looks to be fun... Originally by: James 315 The carebear-heavy D2 alliance began violating BoB's northern border. Despite BoB's reputation and D2's lack of PvP expertise, BoB could not break the deadlock. So BoB ordered MC to attack D2. Actually, our instructions were to "End the Northern Incursions." We made our own plan and schedule on how to accomplish this. Quote: MC dutifully accepted and was immediately mocked as a non-neutral non-mercenary alliance, another "BoB pet". But MC remained professional, eviscerating D2 and accomplishing with a fraction of the numbers what BoB was unable to do. Geography is fun! Quote: MC was assisted by YouWhat, another alliance called a BoB pet but largely outside of BoB's control, and Triumvirate, an alliance that chooses not to enter "the Alliance". Combined, these entities stand poised to destroy RAZOR and dominate the north of Eve. Ummm... YouWhat is fat and happy in Fade and I've never seen a TRI dread or carrier in one of my fleets. Quote: Though the facts on the ground do not reflect it, the masses of Eve view this as BoB's conquest of the north, because MC headed the effort and is considered a BoB pet. Actually, most of the masses seem to undertand and acknoelegde the fact that while MC was the initial spear-thrust and eventual Guiding Hand (cue sinister music) of the invasion... many other entities participated and played key roles. Quote: Meanwhile, MC's pilots feel worthy of being considered at least the equal of BoB, Well, we do have SERA now... Quote: and desire to have a slice of the galaxy of their own--not dispensed at the goodwill of SirMolle. Goodwill has never had anything to do with it. Quote: The Xelas incident is an all too timely reminder of the difference between a BoB renter and an independent power. Did you just compare MC to Xelas? Quote: What should Seleene do? Getting some sleep is high on the list. Quote: ADVANTAGES OF REMAINING IN THE NORTH - Maintain your own space outside of BoB's control, gaining independence. It seems to me that 'independence' is a relative term these days, determined mainly by the size and number of your guns. Quote: - Gain new territory by building on the gains of the previous campaign. More places to mine = win. Quote: - Become the center of a new power bloc friendly to BoB but not beholden to it (in essence, the BoB of the north). I put on my robe and wizard hat. Quote: - Shape the future of the "unaligned powers", such as Triumvirate. The day I see TRI let someone else shape their future is the day WoW becomes interesting to me. Oh, and to echo a previous poster, I'd like to quote a famous 'mercenary': "Look, I ain't in this for your revolution, and I'm not in it for you, Princess. I expect to be well paid. I'm in it for the money." - Vid - 'P-2 Defense'

Lowa Gallente North Star Networks Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.06.15 23:53:00 - [41] Edited by: Lowa on 15/06/2007 23:56:11 shakes head How do people come up with these things? Edit: And Sel, yes I'd like to cyber but only if I can be the rhino! /Lowa What if the truth was something else?
Necronomicon Caldari KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.16 00:04:00 - [42] I will wait until tomorrow, when I am sober, and page 8/lock has been reached before I post a reply..until then.... Alt posts 4tl, grow some oh spineless one. Carlsberg dont make Eve Pilots, but if they did, i wouldnt be one of them.
Phrixus Zephyr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.06.16 00:10:00 - [43] Edited by: Phrixus Zephyr on 16/06/2007 00:11:17 Well you've just gone and spoiled it for me. As much as i like to see these informative alt posts the fact you've mentioned us by name twice leads me to believe you are full of ***. To be quite honest, anyone with half a brain and access to the influence map (everyone) can see that MC now have property in the north away from BoB. 1) Triumvirate had absolutely nothing to do with the downfall of the northern alliances. We were allied with Tits for a short time before they joined "The Alliance" and helped them 2-3 times in OE because they were allies, but it was nothing more than that. Tits are now neutral because of their standing towards the whole of the alliance. There were no hard feelings between us.* 2) - Shape the future of the "unaligned powers", such as Triumvirate. Excuse me? If i recall we wardec'd MC when they wardec'd the northern alliances the first time round because it was the fun thing to do. Secondly, as far as i am aware, MC are only blue because they are(were?) working closely with Youwhat, who have been an ally since before Eve War I even started. Everyone else in the alliance is neutral and near enough always has been. Seems to me that you are talking out of your arse. Originally by: Benglada And whos going to tackle for them? Jesus?
Camilo Cienfuegos EP0CH	Posted - 2007.06.16 00:36:00 - [44] Quote: "Look, I ain't in this for your revolution, and I'm not in it for you, Princess. I expect to be well paid. I'm in it for the money." Did you just compare SirMolle to Princess Leia? -- Fix Caldari \| Fix Rigs
Astarte Nosferatu MBN Holding Corporation	Posted - 2007.06.16 00:55:00 - [45] Originally by: Camilo Cienfuegos Quote: "Look, I ain't in this for your revolution, and I'm not in it for you, Princess. I expect to be well paid. I'm in it for the money." Did you just compare SirMolle to Princess Leia? You never know Originally by: Dianabolic I was sworn to absolute secrecy by CCP
DHB FooFighter Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.06.16 01:03:00 - [46] MC has conquered space before and never "moved in". Why would they start now? MC takes space for other people. They don't do it for themselves. So I would expect MC to head back home to Period Basis and have a little down time after this exceptionally long contract. -------------------------------------------------
Shiraz Merlot Octavian Vanguard RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.16 01:14:00 - [47] Surely MC would want to consolidate their ConstSov in PB next, as one of the very few able to do so immediately.
fugazii Deep Space Productions	Posted - 2007.06.16 01:33:00 - [48] Your information on who and what is fighting and happening in the north is extremely misinformed. Not only making the block of writing you said incorrect but also making your "advantages" part incorrect as its based on false information on whats happening. If your going to make yet another "what if" thread, please do us all a favour and at least know what your talking about first, thanks in advance.
Onchas Erivvia Black Eclipse Corp	Posted - 2007.06.16 01:36:00 - [49] Originally by: Camilo Cienfuegos Quote: "Look, I ain't in this for your revolution, and I'm not in it for you, Princess. I expect to be well paid. I'm in it for the money." Did you just compare SirMolle to Princess Leia? If the gold bikini fits ... ------------------------------------------ "Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead!"' Teh Onchinator' Personal Assistant to MrsPitman
Shamis Orzoz Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.06.16 01:36:00 - [50] Where do I go to find the vagine?

Shivalla Gallente Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.16 02:04:00 - [51] Edited by: Shivalla on 16/06/2007 02:04:15 Originally by: Shamis Orzoz Where do I go to find the vagine? hmmm, vagin(insertletterhere) or vaccination? If the letter is A, I hope you either have money or you have a daddy who pays it for you. AND, I tell you, this aint gameshow called Wheel of Fortune. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])
Mr LovaLova The Pole Position	Posted - 2007.06.16 02:08:00 - [52] Originally by: Astarte Nosferatu Originally by: Camilo Cienfuegos Quote: "Look, I ain't in this for your revolution, and I'm not in it for you, Princess. I expect to be well paid. I'm in it for the money." Did you just compare SirMolle to Princess Leia? it be more like Vader
Gokil North Eastern Swat	Posted - 2007.06.16 02:10:00 - [53] Originally by: Neveren Cool Your sig wins
Ishako	Posted - 2007.06.16 02:24:00 - [54] Edited by: Ishako on 16/06/2007 02:23:36 bloody char selection
Adm Tecumseh Caldari Frequently Asked Questions	Posted - 2007.06.16 02:25:00 - [55] Originally by: James 315 Hello gentle Eve player, and welcome to part 1 of a, one is too many series, series, entitled "BS baffles brains 101", sponsored by the blabbermouth ofYet Another CAOD-Inspired Can't Post with Main Corp. In today's thread, we will be examining Seleene's upcoming dilemma as leader of the Mercenary Coalition. Do YOU have what it takes to make the right decision? Let's find out! So here's the lowdown: earlier in the year, BoB was bored and wanted to see how much the cuold actually take so they set up a ping pong tournament against the northern and southern coalitions, and its chief ally Lotka Volterra was completely obliterated. The carebear-heavy D2 alliance began a hot dog eating competition to attempt to distract everyone from their goodie box. Despite BoB's reputation and D2's lack of hot dog eating expertise, BoB could not break the 50 hotdogs per minute barrier. So BoB ordered MC to play christmas music on all MC related elevators in the attempt to lull D2 into sleep. MC dutifully accepted and was immediately mocked as a non-contempory musac alliance. But MC remained professional, and played Phil Collins, Abba and the Village People until even their own pilots were able to do what BoB was unable to do. MC was assisted by YouWhat, another musac playing alliance. Largely outside of BoB's control, and The recognised Hot Dog Eating Champios of 1971, an alliance that chooses not to enter MC elevators for fear of being put to sleep by repeated ELO concerts. Combined, these entities stand poised to destroy The northern and southern Hot dog champions and dominate the gene pool of Eve. Though the facts on the ground do not reflect it, the masses of Eve view this as BoB's conquest of the copetition, because MC headed the effort and is considered the most likey to buy a dress for Prom but not be able to fit into it after winning the hotdog competition. Meanwhile, MC's pilots feel worthy of being considered at least the equal of BoB, and desire to have a slice of the pie eating competition. Generously baked with love and care by SirMolle. The Xelas incident is an all too timely reminder of the difference between a BoB power eater and a newcomer. With RAZOR crushed and seriuos competition in the north at an end, SirMolle contracts Seleene, telling him to abandon his hard-won Hot dog championshp a in the north and assist him in the south against the Russian and Goon Pie eating power eaters. What should Seleene do? ADVANTAGES OF REMAINING IN THE NORTH - Maintain your position atop the leader board, gaining billions in hot dog endoursements. - Gain new territory by building on the gains of the previous competition - Become the center of attention and the new power bloc friendly to BoB but not spouncered by Ford - Shape the future of the hungry man of teh universe competition known as Triumvirate. (hot dogs, pie and bannas) ADVANTAGES OF MOVING TO FIGHT IN THE SOUTHEAST - Continue to prove to SirMolle that they are worthy of eating pies. - Lots of interesting reciepts. - Learn to read Local smacktalk in new languages. - Loot empty or T1-filled plates of annoying Goons. - Lose the mothership of all injestion competitions to the Russians, making for great future rivalries at local tables and BBQ's. Indeed, it is a difficult decision. Which path would YOU take, and why? I saved the isk and recontructed the post so that it made more sence. Persoally I would suggest that MC stay in the north and continue to dominate the Hot Dog scene and perhaps introduce a little rice eating or bobing for apple contests.
Camilo Cienfuegos EP0CH	Posted - 2007.06.16 02:27:00 - [56] Quote: it be more like Vader Vader in the gold Bikini? -- Fix Caldari \| Fix Rigs
NightHawk VenGarden Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.16 02:27:00 - [57] You know...here I was thinking the only decision we had to make was Veldspar or Concentrated Veldspar....and that really isn't a tough one at all. -NV
dastommy79 Artic Blue Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.16 02:30:00 - [58] Originally by: NightHawk VenGarden You know...here I was thinking the only decision we had to make was Veldspar or Concentrated Veldspar....and that really isn't a tough one at all. -NV Dense Veldspar FTW A guy from GONADS said my alliance is dead..... It must be true :P
Jotan Veer HUN Corp. HUN Reloaded	Posted - 2007.06.16 03:05:00 - [59] Originally by: Camilo Cienfuegos Quote: "Look, I ain't in this for your revolution, and I'm not in it for you, Princess. I expect to be well paid. I'm in it for the money." Did you just compare SirMolle to Princess Leia? Drop the keyboard looking object and slowly take a few steps back. Right now.
Adm Tecumseh Caldari Frequently Asked Questions	Posted - 2007.06.16 05:48:00 - [60] hahaha nice buns Princess Molle. /emote hides behind keyboard.

Kaleeb Omniscient Order	Posted - 2007.06.16 06:02:00 - [61] Originally by: James 315 The Xelas incident is an all too timely reminder of the difference between a BoB renter and an independent power. There is a slight difference to having MC as a neighbour and xelas, go away and think on this. What possible reason could Bob have for trying to remove MC who are good friends and firm allies (and actually useful to have around!)
Valen L'eganas Gallente Seraphin Technologies Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.16 06:09:00 - [62] Originally by: Seleene OH YUMMY!!! Well, we do have SERA now... What she said...
Entilzah Valen 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.06.16 06:13:00 - [63] Originally by: Cindy Goodwill Originally by: Kvarium Ki Originally by: Grim Faust I wanna see MC, Tri and Burn Eden tag team BoB. That would be nifty. You forgot Outbeak. KK. Cool idea but I doubt you would see 0utbreak fly together with burn eden soon. I just broke my chair.
Wierd Beard Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.06.16 06:26:00 - [64] Originally by: Hysidee Originally by: Zrevak Ashek Originally by: Pepperami wow. what a beard. Must be a RL picture of...waaaait for it...Weird Beard! This comment made me spill my drink Dude...that really is a pic of me in my sig. Ever been w/ a carnie? But on to the subject. I doubt MC would actually WANT a bunch of space up north. First, overextending yourself just leaves you open to attack. Second, defending sucks. I could see maybe keeping a small summer cottage in the north near a nice complex or some good ore and a refinery. But MC has always seemed to prefer being on the offensive. Run around, break everybody's toys. Thank them for the fun. Rinse and repeat. Profit! Either way it'll be interesting to see how it unfolds.
Indiano Arko Elite Storm Enterprises Storm Armada	Posted - 2007.06.16 08:10:00 - [65] OP sounds like someone from the south who is scared of MC so badly...
Aira Phlux Convergent Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.06.16 08:53:00 - [66] The OP cost me at least 2 minutes of my life I can never get back
Nomakai Delateriel Amarr A Better Future	Posted - 2007.06.16 09:19:00 - [67] Originally by: Camilo Cienfuegos Quote: "Look, I ain't in this for your revolution, and I'm not in it for you, Princess. I expect to be well paid. I'm in it for the money." Did you just compare SirMolle to Princess Leia? Now why did you ruin a perfectly good saturday with that mental imagery. It simply won't go away. ______________________________________________ -You can never earn my respect, only lose it. It's given freely, and only grudgingly retracted when necessary.
Minigin Ganja Labs	Posted - 2007.06.16 09:20:00 - [68] Originally by: Aira Phlux The OP cost me at least 2 minutes of my life I can never get back and you spent a min to tell everyone else about it... MINIGIN! now posting in "limegreen"
Templer Relleg Endgame.	Posted - 2007.06.16 09:33:00 - [69] I would be interresting to see the MC move north. But i dont see it happening. Alot of my friends just moved up north. Its now sliced into alot of pieces. Before it was really just dusk and dawn controlling it. But now? F4T4L Alliance, M. Pire, Sparta, Panic, the whole deal is up there. It could be interresting to see whats gonna happen. Because with these rather new alliances, all of a sudden having space thanks to MC, i would think that it should be an easy task for any major alliance to pick them out 1 by 1, yet i doubt thats gonna happen.
Myz Toyou Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.06.16 10:28:00 - [70] Could you please stop talking about TRI ! All the talks about us let ppl think we are maybe a thread to them and then our silent mining ops are gone CYVOK > All you station jockies better get out their and start killing these idiots

Iva Soreass FireStar Inc	Posted - 2007.06.16 10:38:00 - [71] *Points to sig* I was violated by BackDoor Bandit :*(
Robert Dobbs Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.16 10:41:00 - [72] Originally by: Iva Soreass *Points to sig* \o/ opportunity knocks We got your FanFest, right here.
Tetsujin GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.06.16 11:07:00 - [73] Originally by: Toffles Edited by: Toffles on 15/06/2007 22:08:40 Wow, BoB must be running out of money from all these merc contract fees. ahheahhehehahehaheheaeehehaheh
Fitz Chivalry eXceed Inc.	Posted - 2007.06.16 11:17:00 - [74] Why on earth would MC want to move North? At present they have the best position of anyone in eve. (i) lots of pvp (and sometimes getting paid for it) (ii) pretty much always outclass their opponents so always get the "win" (which is vital in eve as we all know) (iii) utterly secure home base for isk making purposes (iv) have cleverly positioned themselves so they never have to face the one group that could (potentially) beat them thereby maintaining the "could they or couldnt they" debate and mystique (the same way the .5. did). They would have to be nuts (or utterly bored of the status quo) to change anything.
GoGo Yubari Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.16 11:30:00 - [75] Originally by: Fitz Chivalry (ii) pretty much always outclass their opponents so always get the "win" (which is vital in eve as we all know) We're mercenaries. It's a different kind of paid professional who is valued for sucking.
Ice Breaker Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.16 11:37:00 - [76] Originally by: GoGo Yubari We're mercenaries. It's a different kind of paid professional who is valued for sucking. Oh dear Ice.
Cabadrin Caldari Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.16 14:28:00 - [77] Originally by: GoGo Yubari Originally by: Fitz Chivalry (ii) pretty much always outclass their opponents so always get the "win" (which is vital in eve as we all know) We're mercenaries. It's a different kind of paid professional who is valued for sucking. WTB: New Keyboard. Old one covered in coffee. _______________________________________________
Raem Civrie Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.06.16 14:36:00 - [78] 1) MC never fights fair 2) MC like to kick puppies 3) MC doesn't matter, except when... 4) MC rolls 500 dreads into a system and shoots starbases 5) MC has someone called Latex Mistress 6) MC has an unhealthy obsession with Joss Whedon 7) ??? 8) MC Profit. ---- Fact #443: Everyone in EVE is someone's alt
Arakk Caldari Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.16 14:51:00 - [79] Originally by: Raem Civrie 1) MC never fights fair 2) MC like to kick puppies 3) MC doesn't matter, except when... 4) MC rolls 500 dreads into a system and shoots starbases 5) MC has someone called Latex Mistress 6) MC has an unhealthy obsession with Joss Whedon 7) ??? 8) MC Profit. lol and tbh i dont think MC cares, theyre best defined not as a mercenary alliance but as bob special forces. unfortunately because of what bob is all of their accomplishments make headlines as bob accomplishments...i wonder if they realize that theyre the trump card in eve right now, imo if they were hired by goons and ra to fight bob, bob would crumble (IMO). its just preference really, do they just want to pew pew and build the biggest empire in eve for someone else and then have nothing to do? or do they want to pew pew just as much and go down in history as one of the groups that destroyed it?
Beyond Horizon Black Omega Security	Posted - 2007.06.16 14:52:00 - [80] Seleene, you mentioned SERA joining MC. How will that affect your alliance Logo? :) - BH

Mr LovaLova The Pole Position	Posted - 2007.06.16 15:14:00 - [81] Originally by: Nomakai Delateriel Originally by: Camilo Cienfuegos Quote: "Look, I ain't in this for your revolution, and I'm not in it for you, Princess. I expect to be well paid. I'm in it for the money." Did you just compare SirMolle to Princess Leia? Now why did you ruin a perfectly good saturday with that mental imagery. It simply won't go away. and we have a thread winner!
Haniblecter Teg F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2007.06.16 16:01:00 - [82] D2 carebear? Most of D2 came from the G alliance. G was some badass mother ***** when it came to 00 combat operations. ---------------------------------------- Friends Forever**
Dal Thrax Multiverse Corporation The Core Collective	Posted - 2007.06.16 16:11:00 - [83] Tbh I expect whatever happens to be a strategic decision on the part of MC. 1) MC would be crazy not to want constellation Sov. BoBs policy on this has not been publicly released. 2) MC will want to insure that they can get clear cyno access to lowsec to move their fleet. In the current location, MC may need to negotiate to get Cyno blockers turned off. 3) MC wants to be paid to shoot things, not be a landlord. What happens next? I doubt we'll know until sometime after Tuesday. Dal Originally by: Seleene It seems to me that 'independence' is a relative term these days, determined mainly by the size and number of your guns.
Haniblecter Teg F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2007.06.16 16:13:00 - [84] Well I see this thread for what it is: Trying to split MC and BoB from each other. Its a noble idea, and one I'd love to see. Hell, if it were possible, I think both parties would have a blast, numbers aside. Thing is, there's soo many alts from both sides, in each others alliance, that it'll never happen. Its best to see BoB and MC from the same idetical entity. Only thing that most of EVE can hope for, is that RAGOON really starts owning, hardcore, with the rest of the former North throwing their weight behind them, or, BoB pets really start to get shookin up. Not like they have any military capabilities though. ---------------------------------------- Friends Forever
Shinjuro Chaos Reborn	Posted - 2007.06.16 17:36:00 - [85] Originally by: GoGo Yubari We're mercenaries. LoL..
Dalanoria The Committee of Project Mayhem	Posted - 2007.06.16 17:46:00 - [86] MC has to know that when BOB runs out of worthy targets for their pvp'rs, the only option is to test their might against arguably the best pvp alliance in the game... I think its time for MC to rise up and change the path eve is heading down. MC is the only Super Power left in eve that can make sure Sirmolle's quote of "Our plan is to take over all of 0.0" never comes true... SO MC do us all a favor and take the north by the horns, do what D2 and Razor could not and unite the broken alliances..Purge their ranks of carebears and spys, and assemble a military force that has never been seen in eve.Not to crush BOB, but to be a stablizing force in eve, we cant have the yin without the yang, good without the evil. BOB is the death of eve, MC can be the saviors.....
elohllird Gallente Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.16 18:29:00 - [87] I'm more interested in Entilzah Valen's sig tbh. Who is that bird?
Waagaa Ktlehr Amarr Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.16 18:49:00 - [88] Edited by: Waagaa Ktlehr on 16/06/2007 18:47:48 Originally by: Haniblecter Teg Thing is, there's soo many alts from both sides, in each others alliance, that it'll never happen. Its best to see BoB and MC from the same idetical entity. Erm, no... - -
Francis Reighn Seraphin Technologies Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.16 18:55:00 - [89] Originally by: Dal Thrax What happens next? I doubt we'll know until sometime after Tuesday. I will tell you what happens really soon. I go for a new beer and hope that thread will be closed soooooooooon
Kalestra Cable Caldari Faust Industries	Posted - 2007.06.16 18:57:00 - [90] Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr Edited by: Waagaa Ktlehr on 16/06/2007 18:47:48 Originally by: Haniblecter Teg Thing is, there's soo many alts from both sides, in each others alliance, that it'll never happen. Its best to see BoB and MC from the same idetical entity. Erm, no... You can say Erm, no but from reading these forums it seems to me at least that people consider MC and BOB to be one and the same and I doubt anything short of a major war would change it tbh.

VinceNoir Amarr Pyrrhus Sicarii Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.16 19:21:00 - [91] Originally by: Kalestra Cable Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr Edited by: Waagaa Ktlehr on 16/06/2007 18:47:48 Originally by: Haniblecter Teg Thing is, there's soo many alts from both sides, in each others alliance, that it'll never happen. Its best to see BoB and MC from the same idetical entity. Erm, no... You can say Erm, no but from reading these forums it seems to me at least that people consider MC and BOB to be one and the same and I doubt anything short of a major war would change it tbh. Erm, no? Either you have no clue what's going on or you're just a dumb alt. Originally by: "Shanda Captison" Vince, you can't even spell ECM m8
Yazoul Samaiel Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.16 19:39:00 - [92] All what MC needs is a 1 man alt corp on COAD to decide their next step. Your signature image exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])
Kalestra Cable Caldari Faust Industries	Posted - 2007.06.16 19:39:00 - [93] Originally by: VinceNoir Originally by: Kalestra Cable Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr Edited by: Waagaa Ktlehr on 16/06/2007 18:47:48 Originally by: Haniblecter Teg Thing is, there's soo many alts from both sides, in each others alliance, that it'll never happen. Its best to see BoB and MC from the same idetical entity. Erm, no... You can say Erm, no but from reading these forums it seems to me at least that people consider MC and BOB to be one and the same and I doubt anything short of a major war would change it tbh. Erm, no? Either you have no clue what's going on or you're just a dumb alt. Hmm, Fancy on expanding on that reply ? I've no clue in what respect? Considering I stated that on these forums ppl seem to consider that MC / BOB are a single entity, I've not stated at all my own personal opinion just that a member of MC saying Erm no wouldn't be likely to convince.
Jotan Veer HUN Corp. HUN Reloaded	Posted - 2007.06.16 19:48:00 - [94] Originally by: VinceNoir Erm, no? Either you have no clue what's going on or you're just a dumb alt. I would go with the dumb alt with no clue version if possible. On a more serious note, people call me BOB alt all the freaking time on local (I think it is supposed to be an insult, not sure) and I'm not even in MC. Strange
Idara Caldari Missioners Anonymous	Posted - 2007.06.16 20:40:00 - [95] Originally by: Dalanoria BOB is the death of eve, MC can be the saviors..... ... I r posting in da MC thread. --- in EVE - Idara
Legenda Caldari Seraphin Technologies Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.16 21:21:00 - [96] Hi MOM
Rikeka Amarr Eye of God X-PACT	Posted - 2007.06.16 22:29:00 - [97] Difficult topic... It would be stupid to fall for the "MC is neutral in EvE politics" line, yet I think they are being honest on the "Give us a good plan to take on BoB and we`ll do it" approach: Why risk all they gained by that relationship when the outcome is so uncertain? I think the MC guys are playing their cards well. +-+-+-+-+ "I am matter... I am anti-matter... I can see your past... I can see your future... I consume time... And I will consume you!" -Culex (SMRPG)
n0thing omen.	Posted - 2007.06.16 22:37:00 - [98] Just based on OPs post, just as response to a 'wich one', Id take first while also coming down to 2nd choise area and just hit the "shoot all" button. Ofc, if there is one. ---
Raid Caldari Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION	Posted - 2007.06.16 22:46:00 - [99] i like pie
War Bear Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.16 23:19:00 - [100] Originally by: Dalanoria MC has to know that when BOB runs out of worthy targets for their pvp'rs, the only option is to test their might against arguably the best pvp alliance in the game... I don't think BoB would want to attack us seeing that we actually are a smallish alliance. While we could manage to bring the pain we'd ultimately get over run. Not a whine or an excuse ... just a simple fact. Found an old quote that's probably been twisted a bit by this point but is still funny and probably true. :) "Blacklight said it best: "BoB attacking the MC would be like trying to drown a cat; the cat will eventually die, but your arm will be cut to bloody ribons." Everything is funny with the Benny Hill theme song

Chirinako Caldari Legionari Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.06.16 23:37:00 - [101] Quite simply: The MC aren't interested about keeping space in the north. They were paid to evict D2 and pets, they've almost completely succeeded in that. Once they've succeeded, they'll leave or do whatever else they're paid to do by whoever. If MC wanted to go and conquer space for themselves they would.
touchvill Citadel of dark arts Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.06.16 23:43:00 - [102] Originally by: Chirinako Quite simply: The MC aren't interested about keeping space in the north. They were paid to evict D2 and pets, they've almost completely succeeded in that. Once they've succeeded, they'll leave or do whatever else they're paid to do by whoever. If MC wanted to go and conquer space for themselves they would. Quite ironic how the "pets" have outlived their master really in it? Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels and filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])
Mynas Atoch Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.17 01:12:00 - [103] Edited by: Mynas Atoch on 17/06/2007 01:11:52 Originally by: Chirinako They were paid to evict D2 and pets, they've almost completely succeeded in that. Actually, we were paid to harrass the North - raid them - distract them - kill a pos or two. In effect, we were a diversion. But then someone made the stupid move of telling us we were to Die. And then they and their friends blew up one of our capital shipyards. We got annoyed, revised our plans while still keeping them to the theatre we were employed for. And then .. well .. bad things happened. But the boss will explain all that very soon. I'm looking forward to reading it. And no doubt it will cripple our killboard again.
Super Twinkey69 Murder-Death-Kill	Posted - 2007.06.17 01:13:00 - [104] Dont know why it much matters what other people think,nor do I see the point in this thread tbh...MC are MC,in the end MC will do what MC want to do.Enough said,god knows there is more than enough speculation and rumors floating around in the whole of eve...give it a rest and take your tinfoil hats off. yeah
Manfred Sideous 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.06.17 01:29:00 - [105] Rabble Rabble Tin Foil Tin Foil There my contribution to this thread is complete ___________________
dastommy79 Artic Blue Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.17 02:18:00 - [106] Originally by: Chirinako Quite simply: The MC aren't interested about keeping space in the north. They were paid to evict D2 and pets, they've almost completely succeeded in that. Once they've succeeded, they'll leave or do whatever else they're paid to do by whoever. If MC wanted to go and conquer space for themselves they would. I'll let u call me a d2 pet if u admit your a full blown bob pet that u owe all your success and survival too. Until then, i am not a d2 pet A guy from GONADS said my alliance is dead..... It must be true :P
David Ryan Exanimo Inc Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.06.17 02:23:00 - [107] The better question is what now will happen to all the space thats opened. -------------------
Ruato Gallente Gurgleblaster Industries	Posted - 2007.06.17 02:44:00 - [108] What big decision? They do exactly what BoB tells them to do, end of story. --- *Get rid of those bleeping secure containers. bleep!*
Chib Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.06.17 04:25:00 - [109] Originally by: Seleene OH YUMMY!!! Our Campaign Report will be published Sunday evening but this looks to be fun... Originally by: James 315 The carebear-heavy D2 alliance began violating BoB's northern border. Despite BoB's reputation and D2's lack of PvP expertise, BoB could not break the deadlock. So BoB ordered MC to attack D2. Actually, our instructions were to "End the Northern Incursions." We made our own plan and schedule on how to accomplish this. Quote: MC dutifully accepted and was immediately mocked as a non-neutral non-mercenary alliance, another "BoB pet". But MC remained professional, eviscerating D2 and accomplishing with a fraction of the numbers what BoB was unable to do. Geography is fun! Quote: MC was assisted by YouWhat, another alliance called a BoB pet but largely outside of BoB's control, and Triumvirate, an alliance that chooses not to enter "the Alliance". Combined, these entities stand poised to destroy RAZOR and dominate the north of Eve. Ummm... YouWhat is fat and happy in Fade and I've never seen a TRI dread or carrier in one of my fleets. Quote: Though the facts on the ground do not reflect it, the masses of Eve view this as BoB's conquest of the north, because MC headed the effort and is considered a BoB pet. Actually, most of the masses seem to undertand and acknoelegde the fact that while MC was the initial spear-thrust and eventual Guiding Hand (cue sinister music) of the invasion... many other entities participated and played key roles. Quote: Meanwhile, MC's pilots feel worthy of being considered at least the equal of BoB, Well, we do have SERA now... Quote: and desire to have a slice of the galaxy of their own--not dispensed at the goodwill of SirMolle. Goodwill has never had anything to do with it. Quote: The Xelas incident is an all too timely reminder of the difference between a BoB renter and an independent power. Did you just compare MC to Xelas? Quote: What should Seleene do? Getting some sleep is high on the list. Quote: ADVANTAGES OF REMAINING IN THE NORTH - Maintain your own space outside of BoB's control, gaining independence. It seems to me that 'independence' is a relative term these days, determined mainly by the size and number of your guns. Quote: - Gain new territory by building on the gains of the previous campaign. More places to mine = win. Quote: - Become the center of a new power bloc friendly to BoB but not beholden to it (in essence, the BoB of the north). I put on my robe and wizard hat. Quote: - Shape the future of the "unaligned powers", such as Triumvirate. The day I see TRI let someone else shape their future is the day WoW becomes interesting to me. Oh, and to echo a previous poster, I'd like to quote a famous 'mercenary': "Look, I ain't in this for your revolution, and I'm not in it for you, Princess. I expect to be well paid. I'm in it for the money." i vote this for post of the week always a pleasure to read ur scibblings seleene ---------------------------------------------
Robert Dobbs Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.17 08:58:00 - [110] Originally by: Dalanoria MC has to know that when BOB runs out of worthy targets for their pvp'rs, the only option is to test their might against arguably the best pvp alliance in the game... I have a few answers to this... Answer A We have always said, when we dominate all of 0.0 we are taking Empire. Answer B If there's one way to guarantee awesome fights and outstanding gameplay, it would be for us to fight MC. But we still hold out hope that there is at least one other alliance, group, even player in the game worthy of taking us on.. if not, this game is already won. Answer C /me smacks lowa around the face with his sloppy manhood We got your FanFest, right here.

Vasili Z Beasts of Burden YouWhat	Posted - 2007.06.17 09:15:00 - [111] "Hello gentle Eve player" = zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz ---- Everything I say represents my corporation and their views.
Lowa Gallente North Star Networks Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.06.17 10:17:00 - [112] Originally by: Robert Dobbs Answer C /me smacks lowa around the face with his sloppy manhood Dude! WTF? /Lowa What if the truth was something else?
Cheechako Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.17 10:42:00 - [113] Originally by: Super Twinkey69 Dont know why it much matters what other people think,nor do I see the point in this thread tbh...MC are MC,in the end MC will do what MC want to do.Enough said,god knows there is more than enough speculation and rumors floating around in the whole of eve...give it a rest and take your tinfoil hats off. I think this is the idea for many of the MC. I just get my orders and pew pew when I can, but everytime I keep getting told that we and bob are the same(or that we left the merc business long ago) increases my drive to log on and kill the -. Now if only these week long business trips will end ;)
Robert Dobbs Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.17 11:59:00 - [114] Originally by: Ruato What big decision? They do exactly what BoB tells them to do, end of story. They do? Awesome! Waagaa, rub my nipples and pretend to be Cilla Black pls. We got your FanFest, right here.
Zanarkand Gallente Enterprise Estonia Cult of War	Posted - 2007.06.17 12:03:00 - [115] Half-serious reply: SERA is ex-V. V fought RA/GS.
Phoenus Caldari Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.17 12:07:00 - [116] Originally by: Robert Dobbs Originally by: Ruato What big decision? They do exactly what BoB tells them to do, end of story. They do? Awesome! Waagaa, rub my nipples and pretend to be Cilla Black pls. Dude wtf, that is wrong on sooooooo many levels
King Fury Caldari Fury Corp.	Posted - 2007.06.17 13:29:00 - [117] Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel All what MC needs is a 1 man alt corp on COAD to decide their next step. lol thats ridiculous, we all no molle decides what mc can and cant do
Evil Pookie BURN EDEN	Posted - 2007.06.17 14:16:00 - [118] I'm sorry, MC are busy at the moment and cannot respond to your silly little thread. They are much to busy playing twister with BURN EDEN. Nude obviously.....
Rizmordan Hillgotlieb Gallente Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.17 14:22:00 - [119] Naked Twister? WORD!
Raivotar Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.17 14:23:00 - [120] Im naked... and damn beautiful. Ok, whose turn it is? ...in twister i mean. ------------------------------------------------ I'm scissors. Nerf rocks. Paper is fine.

Freaky Bare Blueprint Haus Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.17 14:24:00 - [121] These threads are very annoying. On the one hand, I have to read them just for the occasional Seleene post. Can't miss those! ON the other I get stuck reading all the little 'MC is a BOB pet' comments. Guys please get it that you are NOT hurting MC with this? They clearly are a power unto themselves. It also does not hurt BOB to accuse them of having their friends do their dirty work for them. It is a tribute to them that people actually PAY them to leave them alone! Both of these things are very tired and old. Please find new ground to work with? There must be SOMETHING original you can throw at them? For example you could make fun of MC's sigs. It would be stupid, they are awesome sigs, but at least it would be NEW. You can make fun of BOB saying they have no life - though right now I am wishing I lived in Europe. I don't actually think BOB is terribly good for the game and I would love them to dissolve. It won't happen by annoying them to death. (Though it might force ME to dissolve.) Finally, I wait patiently for Seleene's announcement. (psst. I will pay you 27 isk to head South.)
Lowa Gallente North Star Networks Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.06.17 15:25:00 - [122] Ok, got word that there were some nekkid games going on in here, whos putting up? /Lowa What if the truth was something else?
Waagaa Ktlehr Amarr Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.17 15:58:00 - [123] Originally by: Robert Dobbs Originally by: Ruato What big decision? They do exactly what BoB tells them to do, end of story. They do? Awesome! Waagaa, rub my nipples and pretend to be Cilla Black pls. I'll see what I can do! Any other requests? - -
Tankred Hauteville Ad Astra Vexillum Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.06.17 17:10:00 - [124] So where is that anouncement of Seleene? - -
Astarte Nosferatu MBN Holding Corporation	Posted - 2007.06.17 17:41:00 - [125] Originally by: Mynas Atoch But then someone made the stupid move of telling us we were to Die. And then they and their friends blew up one of our capital shipyards. So why didn't you go after AAA then? Afterall they were the ones saying MC was going to die, not D2. But yeah, great spin and all. Originally by: Dianabolic I was sworn to absolute secrecy by CCP
Ice Breaker Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.17 17:53:00 - [126] Edited by: Ice Breaker on 17/06/2007 17:56:02 Originally by: Astarte Nosferatu So why didn't you go after AAA then? Afterall they were the ones saying MC was going to die, not D2. But yeah, great spin and all. Mynas said explicitly that "[we] revised our plans while still keeping them to the theatre we were employed for". Besides, some members of the Northern Coalition were also quite vocal about how MC's life expectancy was declining before the northern train hit the wall. In this respect, AAA isn't really related to what Mynas wrote. Ice.
Rick M Caldari Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.17 23:19:00 - [127] Originally by: Astarte Nosferatu Originally by: Mynas Atoch But then someone made the stupid move of telling us we were to Die. And then they and their friends blew up one of our capital shipyards. So why didn't you go after AAA then? Afterall they were the ones saying MC was going to die, not D2. But yeah, great spin and all. We didn't get hired to go shoot AAA. - I like ze missiles!
Traxio Nacho Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.17 23:31:00 - [128] Originally by: Evil Pookie I'm sorry, MC are busy at the moment and cannot respond to your silly little thread. They are much to busy playing twister with BURN EDEN. Nude obviously.....
Shin Ra BURN EDEN	Posted - 2007.06.17 23:35:00 - [129] Originally by: Traxio Nacho Originally by: Evil Pookie I'm sorry, MC are busy at the moment and cannot respond to your silly little thread. They are much to busy playing twister with BURN EDEN. Nude obviously..... get your hand away from there!
Max Teranous Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.18 00:13:00 - [130] Originally by: Shin Ra get your hand away from there! That's not his hand... Max --------------------

Trooper B99 Caldari Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.18 00:17:00 - [131] Originally by: Max Teranous Originally by: Shin Ra get your hand away from there! That's not his hand... Question is, are you stressing the word HIS or the word HAND. . Wirykomi Team Racer - COLOSSUS Championships Year 106 PvP Tournament Semi-Finalist - 2006 FanFest
Waagaa Ktlehr Amarr Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.18 00:40:00 - [132] You two fight over Shin, I'm way over here touching Pookie! - -
ParMizaN Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.18 00:42:00 - [133] Why is it all sticky all of a sudden
Crovan Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.18 04:02:00 - [134] Let's play "Who's in my mouth?"! Originally by: Major Stormer Quote: What should the MC do? Make things explode.
Idara Caldari Missioners Anonymous	Posted - 2007.06.18 04:11:00 - [135] Edited by: Idara on 18/06/2007 04:09:49 --- in EVE - Idara
band0fdevs Gallente Band of Dev's	Posted - 2007.06.18 11:25:00 - [136] question is with bob oblitatorating all the farmers alliances ( xelas was farmer heaven- KOS is next along with goons-RA) do the chinesse farmer organisations have enough ISK to pay MC to wipe out bob or will we finally be able to evict the parasites back to motsu
Lowa Gallente North Star Networks Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.06.18 11:38:00 - [137] Originally by: Crovan Let's play "Who's in my mouth?"! /Me steps away from the thread as it has become increasingly more...scary. (I was about to say that I wouldnt touch this with a ten foot pole but chances are that it would be hugely misunderstood so I wont) What if the truth was something else?
Waagaa Ktlehr Amarr Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.18 11:46:00 - [138] Originally by: Lowa Originally by: Crovan Let's play "Who's in my mouth?"! (I was about to say that I wouldnt touch this with a ten foot pole but chances are that it would be hugely misunderstood so I wont) ROFLMAO!!! - -
Cupdeez Vengeance of the Fallen Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.18 14:28:00 - [139] its simple BOB is nothing without GM/Dev's MC is nothing without BOB END OF STORY
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.06.18 14:32:00 - [140] Originally by: Lowa Originally by: Crovan Let's play "Who's in my mouth?"! /Me steps away from the thread as it has become increasingly more...scary. (I was about to say that I wouldnt touch this with a ten foot pole but chances are that it would be hugely misunderstood so I wont) Only in your dreams ------------------------------------------------ Murphy's Golden Rule: Whoever has the gold, makes the rules.

Kanae Minmatar Feral Tendency Ratel Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.18 16:04:00 - [141] MC just attack BOB and make it interesting
Princess Jodi Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.06.18 16:36:00 - [142] Ok, you guys seem to have the anologies wrong. 1> If MC is a mercenary, then the reference to Solo Hand from Star Wars about being paid implies that they were working for Princess Leah. 2> However, the true reason Solo Hand wanted the money was to pay off Bobba the Hut. 3> Since Bobba the Hut later turned on Solo Hand because he did not pay the money, it follows that MC must pay its Contract time to Bob or else Bob will destroy MC. 4> Therefore, Sir Molle is not Princess Leah, but rather Bobba the Hut. And the gold bikini is irrellevant.
Kalestra Cable Caldari Faust Industries	Posted - 2007.06.18 16:38:00 - [143] Originally by: Princess Jodi Ok, you guys seem to have the anologies wrong. 1> If MC is a mercenary, then the reference to Solo Hand from Star Wars about being paid implies that they were working for Princess Leah. 2> However, the true reason Solo Hand wanted the money was to pay off Bobba the Hut. 3> Since Bobba the Hut later turned on Solo Hand because he did not pay the money, it follows that MC must pay its Contract time to Bob or else Bob will destroy MC. 4> Therefore, Sir Molle is not Princess Leah, but rather Bobba the Hut. And the gold bikini is irrellevant. Jabba the Hut http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jabba_the_Hutt Boba Fett was the bounty hunter
Princess Jodi Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.06.18 16:41:00 - [144] Bobba = BOBba, which sounds like Jabba. Geeze...was it too far over your head?
Friday Dillinja The Bakhunov Family	Posted - 2007.06.18 16:44:00 - [145] Originally by: Princess Jodi Bobba = BOBba, which sounds like Jabba. Geeze...was it too far over your head? Actually, you managed to get every single name in your analogy wrong. That's quite an accomplishment in itself. ------------------------------------ i found out how to edit my signature!
Kalestra Cable Caldari Faust Industries	Posted - 2007.06.18 16:47:00 - [146] Originally by: Princess Jodi Bobba = BOBba, which sounds like Jabba. Geeze...was it too far over your head? Have to admit kinda busy pretending to do real work so I didn't really read beyond you screwing up the names of one of my favourite childhood memories so yep I guess it went whoosh right over
Princess Jodi Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.06.18 16:48:00 - [147] Ok, I give up. Its not funny if you have to explain it. But it truly amazes me that some people are such Star Wars geeks that they feel the need to correct obvious parody.
Friday Dillinja The Bakhunov Family	Posted - 2007.06.18 16:53:00 - [148] Originally by: Princess Jodi Ok, I give up. Its not funny if you have to explain it. But it truly amazes me that some people are such Star Wars geeks that they feel the need to correct obvious parody. Awww. ------------------------------------ i found out how to edit my signature!
Crovan Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.18 17:31:00 - [149] Originally by: Princess Jodi Ok, I give up. Its not funny if you have to explain it. But it truly amazes me that some people are such Star Wars geeks that they feel the need to correct obvious parody. A parody like that is only truly funny to the geeks, so you have to do it right . So was Solo Hand some vague masturbatory reference? Originally by: Major Stormer Quote: What should the MC do? Make things explode.
Wylker Caldari Pyrrhus Sicarii Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.18 17:38:00 - [150] Originally by: Crovan Originally by: Princess Jodi Ok, I give up. Its not funny if you have to explain it. But it truly amazes me that some people are such Star Wars geeks that they feel the need to correct obvious parody. A parody like that is only truly funny to the geeks, so you have to do it right . So was Solo Hand some vague masturbatory reference? /me waves hand at Crovan You will learn to hax MSN and stop ducking me /me waves hand at Crovan You signature was removed. For questions or comments please mail [email protected] -Scyd ([email protected])

Orree Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.06.18 17:54:00 - [151] It should come as no surprise that I would choose to remain in the North and become the center of a new, independent (from BoB) power bloc. I'd strive to keep the blues to a minimum and only maintain relationships with strong entities in a true partnership, leaving plenty of reds to provide combat opportunities. I'd attempt to reshape the North into something that can stand on its own and defeat BoB or anyone else, whether it be in a defensive or offensive war. I view MC as BoB's equal in skill and tactics, but not in resources and manpower. Granted, MC has benefitted from its association with BoB and are where they are in part because of this association. Having said that, it is clear to me that MC's skill and leadership provide it the ability to succeed independently and I have no doubt that MC can (and would have been) successful with or without BoB. There will always be those doubters, haters and naysayers that deride MC as Bob "pets." I'm not one of them, though it's been quite a long time since I viewed MC as an impartial "mercenary" alliance. Among many other things, the situation in the North provides a unqiue opportunity to MC if they ever wished to shut the "haters" up for good. Going South is just "more of the same," for MC. You've been there, done that, and nailed it shut. ...and oh, by the way. The "resistance in the north" is not "at an end." Not yet, anyway.
AegriSomnia Caldari Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.06.18 18:22:00 - [152] The question before MC is simple. Do you want to wait for the dagger in your back, or do you want to fight them on your terms? MC's situation in all of this has played out in the annals of history time and time again. BoB will continue to use MC as long as they are #1 not a threat and #2 following orders (or accepting contracts, you define which is which). THE MINUTE MC is no longer a viable asset for BoB or becomes the only power rivalling BoB in 0.0, BoB WILL TURN ON YOU. From what I have read, MC has a powerful fleet, they have organization, and they have great leadership. THIS WILL BECOME A CAUSE FOR CONCERN TO BOB ONE DAY. So I ask the question again, do you wait for the quick dagger in your back from BoB? or do you make your stand now? If I were you, MC, I would seriously consider whether or not I wanted sovereign space either now or in the future. IF YOU DO, your best opportunity IS NOW. The north is weak, and would be easy for you to take some space. This, coupled with the multiple fronts BoB would find themselves fighting after that, would insure that you would have an easier time defending your space, as BoB would be spread pretty thin. IF YOU WAIT, you may not get a chance. You might just get sucked into a trap and eliminated by a stronger, more united BoB force after you have served your purpose, eliminating all of BoBs enemies. Just ask yourselves, what are we going to do to get 0.0 space if we help BoB win? Rent from BoB? Sounds distinguished. Fight? You REALLY think your strong enough by yourself? I hope I dont see you in the south. I will understand your choices at that point, and that will make me sad. Originally by: grayson 34 Thank you for yall's advice, and a special thanks to AegriSomnia for reminding me that there are still ***holes in the world.
Wesley Baird Ever Flow FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.18 20:20:00 - [153] I would bet MC remains loyal to BOB, but one does have to wonder how long BOB will feel comfortable knowing the most dangerous force in EVE is in their midst. Despite the close bond between BOB and MC, BOB has a long history of wanting hard pew pew...I can think of no greater challenge than the mighty MC. As time goes on, MC acquires more supercaps, more elite PVP players. While BOB remains an incredibly strong force they do not seem to be growing much stronger than they already are. That is, I believe that BOB is at the Zenith of their power, while MC is still rising. The question in my mind is not if, but when will the two will finally get down to it.
Wylker Caldari Pyrrhus Sicarii Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.18 21:42:00 - [154] Originally by: AegriSomnia The question before MC is simple. Do you want to wait for the dagger in your back, or do you want to fight them on your terms? MC's situation in all of this has played out in the annals of history time and time again. BoB will continue to use MC as long as they are #1 not a threat and #2 following orders (or accepting contracts, you define which is which). THE MINUTE MC is no longer a viable asset for BoB or becomes the only power rivalling BoB in 0.0, BoB WILL TURN ON YOU. From what I have read, MC has a powerful fleet, they have organization, and they have great leadership. THIS WILL BECOME A CAUSE FOR CONCERN TO BOB ONE DAY. So I ask the question again, do you wait for the quick dagger in your back from BoB? or do you make your stand now? If I were you, MC, I would seriously consider whether or not I wanted sovereign space either now or in the future. IF YOU DO, your best opportunity IS NOW. The north is weak, and would be easy for you to take some space. This, coupled with the multiple fronts BoB would find themselves fighting after that, would insure that you would have an easier time defending your space, as BoB would be spread pretty thin. IF YOU WAIT, you may not get a chance. You might just get sucked into a trap and eliminated by a stronger, more united BoB force after you have served your purpose, eliminating all of BoBs enemies. Just ask yourselves, what are we going to do to get 0.0 space if we help BoB win? Rent from BoB? Sounds distinguished. Fight? You REALLY think your strong enough by yourself? I hope I dont see you in the south. I will understand your choices at that point, and that will make me sad. Someone in goons wants MC to fight bob instead of fighting RAGOON? Im shocked. You signature was removed. For questions or comments please mail [email protected] -Scyd ([email protected])
Selena 001	Posted - 2007.06.18 21:42:00 - [155] Merc's dont perminantly settle because they become targets... All fine and dandy sitting around a rgion for a few weeks, but MC wont make perminant residence (stations etc) unless its based somewhere they wont be aggrivated (Aparently that somewhere is in the south west)... ___________ NATIONAL SARCASM DAY!!
Slayton Ford Vindicate and Deliverance ASGARDIAN EMPIRE	Posted - 2007.06.18 21:58:00 - [156] As to the MC outposts in Tenel, Selenne has stated publicly that they are keeping those while looking to sell the outposts in Fade/Pure Blind. Now, if this has changed, I dont know. We all know MC loves not only their caps but there Moms. In order to build a mom, you need higher sov in Rev2. This requires MC to hold space, even if they would rather not. The alternative is then buying caps on the market, arranging contracts with cap building corps, or just working them through BoB (which then keeps them tied to BoB). Addtionally, with the north no longer the napfest it was, MC has the opportunity for new contracts up there, opportunitys that did not exist in the past. But taking a contract in the north while having all your logistics in the deep south is a pain the arse. Keeping Tenal will allow them to take northern contracts with very little hassle. --------------- This sig has been censored in fear of recieving the ban hammer...
Lowa Gallente North Star Networks Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.06.18 22:18:00 - [157] Originally by: Lots of people have said BoB WILL TURN ON YOU. I'll let you all in on a little secret, and I appologize for the caps: THEY ARE FULLY AWARE THAT THIS MIGHT HAPPEN! For the love of Amarrian wenches, please, this is no news, they know ok. Take it from an ex-MC, that was there when it all went down, this has been talked about since the idea was born. On both sides. EVE assumes BoB is looking on MC as a possible threat down the line yet fail to assume that MC hasnt thought about the possibitly of a conflict with BoB? (Had D2, for ex, offered 4 OP's, a Titan and 2 Mom's as leverage...Who knows!?) I mean, come on, I'm not close to think like the Alliance heads at this level but its still crystal clear that this is something you always should consider. No matter who you talk to. Its called (long term) strategic planning. Now send me 100m. The problem is, they dont care about it, you all do. That is kinda wierd. Cheers, Lowa What if the truth was something else?
AegriSomnia Caldari Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.06.18 23:00:00 - [158] Originally by: Lowa Originally by: Lots of people have said BoB WILL TURN ON YOU. I'll let you all in on a little secret, and I appologize for the caps: THEY ARE FULLY AWARE THAT THIS MIGHT HAPPEN! For the love of Amarrian wenches, please, this is no news, they know ok. Take it from an ex-MC, that was there when it all went down, this has been talked about since the idea was born. On both sides. EVE assumes BoB is looking on MC as a possible threat down the line yet fail to assume that MC hasnt thought about the possibitly of a conflict with BoB? (Had D2, for ex, offered 4 OP's, a Titan and 2 Mom's as leverage...Who knows!?) I mean, come on, I'm not close to think like the Alliance heads at this level but its still crystal clear that this is something you always should consider. No matter who you talk to. Its called (long term) strategic planning. Now send me 100m. The problem is, they dont care about it, you all do. That is kinda wierd. Cheers, Lowa In the context of the OP statement, I think it is valid to bring up BoBs tendancy to turn on its allies when they (the allies) become a threat. The question was, as far as I understood, do we take what we've fought for now, or continue along as BoBs sword arm and carve up the south. I think people who are pointing out BoBs propensity to turn are not really trying to make some eath shattering statement, but are instead trying to have MC understand that to carve up the south would be to strengthen BoB. Why do that if you know conflict is inevitable? Once you have had the epiphany that the war is coming, why continue removing enemies, securing war fronts, and establishing BoB even further? So that your own task becomes insurmountable? Originally by: grayson 34 Thank you for yall's advice, and a special thanks to AegriSomnia for reminding me that there are still ***holes in the world.
Nolene War Crimes	Posted - 2007.06.19 02:14:00 - [159] - Maintain your own space outside of BoB's control, gaining independence. * Stupidly bad idea tbh. They are not going to give up the 4 outposts they built and have fortified for some new space up north. Also with the new changes, they already have a perfect home base situation. Logistics of having two areas of control for a small alliance like MC is just worth it from my point of view. - Gain new territory by building on the gains of the previous campaign. * MC are mercs, not an empire...they don't want space outside the needs to build thier capital fleets and support thier carebear loving desires. It is far more profitable to sell the outposts then to defend them... - Become the center of a new power bloc friendly to BoB but not beholden to it (in essence, the BoB of the north). * WHY? MC have never shown a desire for this, why now? MC are thie own entity. They are not BOB and really should not, and can not be compaired to them. They are vastly smaller in numbers and in space. They make the most of what they have, which is why they are better then 95% of the rest of the alliances in eve. BOB do the same, but on a larger, and a more imperical scale. - Shape the future of the "unaligned powers", such as Triumvirate. * ROFL. I think Triumvirate and the "unaligned powers" will manage fine on thier own without the guidance of MC...I doubt they want the MC around to bark orders, or whatever. I sure as hell wouldn't. Why polarize eve more? Why not just continue to play out the course of the game. ADVANTAGES OF MOVING TO FIGHT IN THE SOUTHEAST - Continue to prove loyalty to SirMolle. * I doubt MC is needed from what I hear. Also, BOB like to fight too you know...if MC fights all of the battles, BOB will go away. Instead rather, I think MC will not even be asked to aid in the south, unless things go badly. - Lots of interesting pew-pew. * Hardly...have you ever fought down south? Logoffski here...log on trap there....isk complex farmers galore...and goons...lots of blobs flying junk ships with junk setups. Yea...real interesting - Learn to read Local smacktalk in new languages. * oh aye...this one hits nail on head. - Loot empty or T1-filled wrecks of annoying Goons. * See above... - Lose (more) motherships to the Russians, making for great battle reports. * MC are not BOB and to my knowledge have not lost a mothership yet...so tbh, get your info in order. - Enhance BoB's reputation while cementing status as BoB pet. * MC are not BOB (Getting tired of this) and MC victories do not make BOB look good, or superior imo. In fact, the more MC does, and the less BOB are in the news, it makes them look badly. MC are hardly pets, they are just smart. Again, I highly doubt you will see MC down south fighting RAGOON, etc unless BOB start loosing. Indeed, it is a difficult decision. Which path would YOU take, and why? * Hardly a decision at all really. And does it matter what path I would take, or you would take? Isn't it really up to Seleene and the rest of the MC to do whatever it is they want to do? Call them whatever names you want, but they are a solid bunch of corps with what seems good leadership. They have done well on thier own for now, why do people think they have the right to start giving thier ideas of how to run an alliance? MC have destroyed, or played a part in several major alliance's downfalls. I would expect to see more in the future as well.
Camilo Cienfuegos EP0CH	Posted - 2007.06.19 02:26:00 - [160] Quote: If [Seleene of MC] is a mercenary, then the reference to Solo Hand from Star Wars about being paid implies that they were working for Princess Leah. With you so far... Quote: However, the true reason Solo Hand wanted the money was to pay off Bobba the Hut. Fair enough... Quote: Since Bobba the Hut later turned on Solo Hand because he did not pay the money, it follows that MC must pay its Contract time to Bob or else Bob will destroy MC. OK... Quote: Therefore, Sir Molle is not Princess Leah, but rather Bobba the Hut. And the gold bikini is irrellevant. Ah no, you missed the vital link: MC never finished their contract against IAC in Providence (long story, and let's not spoil a wonderful analogy with bickering over that long dead horse), which would mean the gold bikini goes to... Serenity Steele! -- Fix Caldari \| Fix Rigs

band0fdevs Gallente Band of Dev's	Posted - 2007.06.19 02:40:00 - [161] MC go play with IAC, bob cements its new borders under the new soverignty, bob fights RAGOON while MC play with IAC ( under ISS+BOB and GBC) contract of course remember BOB would have paid MC quite a substantial amount to attack the north offically MC arent bob pets instead they are still semi offically guns for hire
Mr LovaLova The Pole Position	Posted - 2007.06.19 03:35:00 - [162] Originally by: Princess Jodi Ok, you guys seem to have the anologies wrong. 1> If MC is a mercenary, then the reference to Solo Hand from Star Wars about being paid implies that they were working for Princess Leah. 2> However, the true reason Solo Hand wanted the money was to pay off Bobba the Hut. 3> Since Bobba the Hut later turned on Solo Hand because he did not pay the money, it follows that MC must pay its Contract time to Bob or else Bob will destroy MC. 4> Therefore, Sir Molle is not Princess Leah, but rather Bobba the Hut. And the gold bikini is irrellevant. 5> The gold bikini refers to R2D2's crush on 3CPU but ofcourse most people don't speak Bocce so there's no way that you could have understand his feelings on this matter. It never was about the money for Bobba, instead he tried to add some spice to their love story so they would have plenty fond memories to tell their children.
Lowa Gallente North Star Networks Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.06.19 08:40:00 - [163] Originally by: AegriSomnia Originally by: Lowa Originally by: Lots of people have said BoB WILL TURN ON YOU. I'll let you all in on a little secret, and I appologize for the caps: THEY ARE FULLY AWARE THAT THIS MIGHT HAPPEN! For the love of Amarrian wenches, please, this is no news, they know ok. Take it from an ex-MC, that was there when it all went down, this has been talked about since the idea was born. On both sides. EVE assumes BoB is looking on MC as a possible threat down the line yet fail to assume that MC hasnt thought about the possibitly of a conflict with BoB? (Had D2, for ex, offered 4 OP's, a Titan and 2 Mom's as leverage...Who knows!?) I mean, come on, I'm not close to think like the Alliance heads at this level but its still crystal clear that this is something you always should consider. No matter who you talk to. Its called (long term) strategic planning. Now send me 100m. The problem is, they dont care about it, you all do. That is kinda wierd. Cheers, Lowa In the context of the OP statement, I think it is valid to bring up BoBs tendancy to turn on its allies when they (the allies) become a threat. The question was, as far as I understood, do we take what we've fought for now, or continue along as BoBs sword arm and carve up the south. I think people who are pointing out BoBs propensity to turn are not really trying to make some eath shattering statement, but are instead trying to have MC understand that to carve up the south would be to strengthen BoB. Why do that if you know conflict is inevitable? Once you have had the epiphany that the war is coming, why continue removing enemies, securing war fronts, and establishing BoB even further? So that your own task becomes insurmountable? Why is this valid when the two parties involved are fully aware of this themselves? Anyway... This is called a calculated risk. If the rewards look bigger than the risk you take it. The risk has many aspects hence its not for everyone, in fact, its for very few in EVE to be able to manage this correctly. That is no guarantee that it will be stable forever, its just means that some will have benefitial deals in place longer than others. What is tough is to call it when the risk overweighs the reward and [instert action] just before things go pearshaped. /Lowa What if the truth was something else?
Mattduk Gallente Universal Army	Posted - 2007.06.19 09:51:00 - [164] Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr Why are you posting this on an alt? It could be an interesting discussion to have. I might debate a couple of your "facts", but I don't see a need to hide behind an alt. I believe his main is either in Tactical Enterprise Group Ltd, or Maelstrom Crew. They are the same people controlling most of the pilots in either corp. The former is an industrial effort (emphasis on the word 'effort' ), and the latter is a mercenary pet corporation of The Cartel alliance. Earlier this year Maelstrom Crew war decc'd UARM and then hid. I beleive there were a couple of good fights, but for the most part, they didn't want to fight unless they had an exploit (station bug) to use, or unless Erichk was with them. The one time they actually committed to a decent fight, which I fully believe was by accident based on the way they trickled through the gate to be killed in sequence, they lost a lot of ships, yet didn't kill a single one. (Apologies if I misspelled your name Eric, but I think we can all agree that you misspelled it first ) I wouldn't take this guy's rantings too seriously, although this particular thread could lead to some decent discussion. I, however, believe that James 315 is compensating for a lack of ability in game by posting with an alt corp on the forums. Gotta be good at something eh? Oh wait...
James 315 Yet Another CAOD-Inspired 1-Man Alt Corp	Posted - 2007.06.20 01:18:00 - [165] Hey guys, I have been ridiculously busy the last several days (last few weeks, really) so I haven't had the chance to read the replies yet. I feared that people wouldn't be interested in a thread about the north, so I'm pumped to see over a hundred replies here. Anyway, I hope to be able to read through in the next few days, and I can't wait to read everyone's scenarios and analysis.
MehTheTrader University of Caille	Posted - 2007.06.20 05:20:00 - [166] Just join bob after doing so much ass kissing
Lowa Gallente North Star Networks Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.06.20 06:26:00 - [167] Originally by: MehTheTrader Just join bob after doing so much ass kissing How about you join with a couple of balls and post with your main? /Lowa What if the truth was something else?
Cythrawl Caldari Central Defiance Terror In The System	Posted - 2007.06.20 16:08:00 - [168] If you have been on the moon lately you'll notice that MC is one of the few alliances who'll have almost instantaneous use of the level 4 const sov for their area in Pure Blind. That doesn't make them invulnerable, but it does make them damn-near impossible to root out of there should the time come that someone decides MC must go. Plus, look at their outposts in Branch? Those ones at the very top of the map? 2 outposts in one const there as well... 90 days and I bet there'll be another. Another home to try to take them out of that they'll control with an almost iron fist. MC are going to be hard to get rid of and small attempts at distrust seeding on the forums aren't going to be what does it. I'm not even worried about them being this close to our new home systems(Terror's). MC doesn't bother that which doesn't bother them. And if the time comes they're against us, its not like a few people around here haven't seen it before. The only people crying about MC having to worry are those worried about MC themselves. Rest of us will just burn that bridge when we get there if it happens. Frankly, I don't expect we'll be worrying any time soon... Cythrawl, DEFY Director, Apathy Trainer. =+=+=+=+=+=+= Originally by: Black Torment OH GOD, DROWNING IN TINFOIL
Kramer Verone Amarr TeamMX	Posted - 2007.06.20 17:28:00 - [169] If BOB were ever to break MC, it wouldn't be a challenge. BOB knows MC too well, the planted strings will be pulled, and MC will fall apart like a house of cards. No need for long grueling capital fleet fights. That's the awesomeness of BOB. Political maneuvering.
lazlow lang Murder-Death-Kill Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.06.20 23:00:00 - [170] Originally by: James 315 Hello gentle Eve player, and welcome to part 1 of a 12-part series ... Want a Cookie to go along with this load of garbage?

sophisticatedlimabean Gallente FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.20 23:28:00 - [171] Edited by: sophisticatedlimabean on 20/06/2007 23:28:41 Originally by: Wylker Originally by: AegriSomnia The question before MC is simple. Do you want to wait for the dagger in your back, or do you want to fight them on your terms? MC's situation in all of this has played out in the annals of history time and time again. BoB will continue to use MC as long as they are #1 not a threat and #2 following orders (or accepting contracts, you define which is which). THE MINUTE MC is no longer a viable asset for BoB or becomes the only power rivalling BoB in 0.0, BoB WILL TURN ON YOU. From what I have read, MC has a powerful fleet, they have organization, and they have great leadership. THIS WILL BECOME A CAUSE FOR CONCERN TO BOB ONE DAY. So I ask the question again, do you wait for the quick dagger in your back from BoB? or do you make your stand now? If I were you, MC, I would seriously consider whether or not I wanted sovereign space either now or in the future. IF YOU DO, your best opportunity IS NOW. The north is weak, and would be easy for you to take some space. This, coupled with the multiple fronts BoB would find themselves fighting after that, would insure that you would have an easier time defending your space, as BoB would be spread pretty thin. IF YOU WAIT, you may not get a chance. You might just get sucked into a trap and eliminated by a stronger, more united BoB force after you have served your purpose, eliminating all of BoBs enemies. Just ask yourselves, what are we going to do to get 0.0 space if we help BoB win? Rent from BoB? Sounds distinguished. Fight? You REALLY think your strong enough by yourself? I hope I dont see you in the south. I will understand your choices at that point, and that will make me sad. Someone in goons wants MC to fight bob instead of fighting RAGOON? Im shocked. LOL noticed that as well did ya. look on every bob, allies/north war post and the spin on both sides is about the same. Personaly i know just what im going to be doing in a year or so. SHOOTING PPL. I realy dont care who or if its in 0.0 or low sec as long as i make enough iskies to buy replacment ships when i get pwned. Belive me guys life is a lot simpler if you think along those lines and not worry about who has the most teratory or is who's pet or not. Just shoot ppl there will always be a fight somwhere or a hauler pilot full of pricy stuff who jumps into low sec without a scout (gotta love em in local when they say how brave you were popping a hauler). Anyway where was i oh yes F**K IT i think the only ppl who realy care who owns outposts and the like are bears. Me im just as good fighting out of a npc station although the corp/alliance im in does have 2 now.
Shin Ra BURN EDEN	Posted - 2007.06.20 23:43:00 - [172] Wasn't BOB supposed to start killing MC a year ago when the put up their outposts?
Seleene Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.21 00:34:00 - [173] Originally by: Cythrawl MC doesn't bother that which doesn't bother them. Yes, let us mine in peace. - Vid - 'P-2 Defense'
band0fdevs Gallente Band of Dev's	Posted - 2007.06.21 01:27:00 - [174] from what we hear bob are now fighting goonfleet and RA down in the southeast.
James 315 Yet Another CAOD-Inspired 1-Man Alt Corp	Posted - 2007.06.29 00:17:00 - [175] Originally by: fugazii Your information on who and what is fighting and happening in the north is extremely misinformed. Not only making the block of writing you said incorrect but also making your "advantages" part incorrect as its based on false information on whats happening. If your going to make yet another "what if" thread, please do us all a favour and at least know what your talking about first, thanks in advance. What? How is it misinformed? ----------------------------------------------- The views expressed in my posts are my own. They do not necessarily reflect the views of my corporation.
putukas Amarr Enterprise Estonia Cult of War	Posted - 2007.06.29 06:09:00 - [176] Originally by: band0fdevs from what we hear bob are now fighting goonfleet and RA down in the southeast. wow,... realy realy? It's fun to read people who have no idea whats going on, speculating. Keep it coming.
De'Zori PILGRIMS Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.29 07:09:00 - [177] Originally by: dastommy79 I would also like to know what Seleene is gonna have for lunch tomorrow, can we get an offical MC reply please? HEHE too funny [/
Mazca Lopez The Patriot Society Giant Space Amoeba	Posted - 2007.06.29 07:42:00 - [178] stopped reading after the first few lines... obvious assumptions resulting in fabrication... oh wait... thats what the boards are all about isn't it? ... Do carry on please...
band0fdevs Gallente Band of Dev's	Posted - 2007.06.30 12:01:00 - [179] Originally by: Kramer Verone If BOB were ever to break MC, it wouldn't be a challenge. BOB knows MC too well, the planted strings will be pulled, and MC will fall apart like a house of cards. No need for long grueling capital fleet fights. That's the awesomeness of BOB. Political maneuvering. social engineering, thats why RA presents a challange not many russians in Bob
Nero Winger Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.01 02:39:00 - [180] hmmm... strange. somebody mentioned MC in the forums and i dont see Zakma's reply to it can somebody tell me something, did he had an incident or something? i begin to worry about him

Lister Black Pyrrhus Sicarii Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.01 02:41:00 - [181] Can we stop bumping this thread. Every time it drops off the first page, someone comes in and bumps it. Let it die! (I know that I'm effectively bumping it, but it already was the first post in the forum, so hey) ---------------------------- "Unshrink you?! Well that would require some sort of a REbigulator, which is a concept so ridiculous it makes me want to laugh out loud and chortle..." -Prof.Frink
Crovan Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.07.01 03:59:00 - [182] Originally by: Nero Winger hmmm... strange. somebody mentioned MC in the forums and i dont see Zakma's reply to it can somebody tell me something, did he had an incident or something? i begin to worry about him Zakma is busily grinding ISK for my officer fittings... And Lister, don't make me come to Brazil and hurt you. Originally by: Major Stormer Quote: What should the MC do? Make things explode.
Sir Bart Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.07.01 05:54:00 - [183] Somebody build MC a titan and use it as the fee for them to remove BOB from the map. :)
Kramer Verone Amarr TeamMX	Posted - 2007.07.01 09:58:00 - [184] Originally by: Sir Bart Somebody build MC a titan and use it as the fee for them to remove BOB from the map. :) Why don't you just trash the titan instead, same effect. Only BOB can trust MC to not dishonor a contract anymore. When you see the smack from MC posters, you know that the professionalism isn't there anymore, it has been replaced with something personal.
Crovan Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.07.01 15:52:00 - [185] Originally by: Kramer Verone Originally by: Sir Bart Somebody build MC a titan and use it as the fee for them to remove BOB from the map. :) Why don't you just trash the titan instead, same effect. Only BOB can trust MC to not dishonor a contract anymore. When you see the smack from MC posters, you know that the professionalism isn't there anymore, it has been replaced with something personal. sigh Part of me doesn't even know why I am bothering responding to trolling. I guess I need my morning coffee. 1. I defy you to find me an instance where the MC has dishonored a contract agreement with a party. This doesn't mean taking a contract from a party then later against them. I mean betraying a current client. 2. Bringing up the fact that individual members of the MC have personal feelings about issues is absurd. Yes, we do have personal feelings. For example, I know of a few members of my corporation who absolutely detest the idea of BoB expanding their space, but would still honor a contract paid for by BoB. Signing up to be a mercenary, however, does not mean you don't get to have your own opinions. It just means that you recognize that you don't always get to act upon them. If you can't recognize the strategic value that a punitive campaign can have, then you frankly aren't well informed enough to be making such sweeping generalizations. 3. Nice try preemptively calling any response to your trolling smack. 4. What did we take, blow up, or ruin of yours to make you such an ardent sour grape? Originally by: Major Stormer Quote: What should the MC do? Make things explode.
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.01 16:22:00 - [186] Originally by: Crovan 1. I defy you to find me an instance where the MC has dishonored a contract agreement with a party. This doesn't mean taking a contract from a party then later against them. I mean betraying a current client. Is it just me or would Butter Dog replying to this be incredibly entertaining ? http://eve.klaki.net/
Nero Winger Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.01 20:11:00 - [187] Edited by: Nero Winger on 01/07/2007 20:09:49 Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Originally by: Crovan 1. I defy you to find me an instance where the MC has dishonored a contract agreement with a party. This doesn't mean taking a contract from a party then later against them. I mean betraying a current client. Is it just me or would Butter Dog replying to this be incredibly entertaining ? i guess it's just you /me bumping this thread again
Bacilius The Tidemark Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.01 21:24:00 - [188] Gee, I wonder why the Bobbits are bumping... [Space Reserved for Breaking Newsflash]
JaystarZero Amarr Celtic industries Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.01 23:09:00 - [189] Edited by: JaystarZero on 01/07/2007 23:08:40 MC are not bob pets... they are bob's yes men... Akin to ******'s secret service. If the war is won and bob fall's you will be treated as enemy combatants. If the war is lost and bob win's you will be the only thing left for them to turn on. It's an interesting paradox; however, its more interesting how quickly bob is too discount the power of the south. Poor fix has a bloody lip, and we were going in for the kill... [Space Reserved for Breaking Newsflash]
Traxio Nacho Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.07.01 23:19:00 - [190] Originally by: Bacilius Gee, I wonder why the Bobbits are bumping... [Space Reserved for Breaking Newsflash] FYI I think someone needs to hire a new intel officer

DHB FooFighter Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.07.01 23:23:00 - [191] Originally by: Traxio Nacho Originally by: Bacilius Gee, I wonder why the Bobbits are bumping... [Space Reserved for Breaking Newsflash] FYI I think someone needs to hire a new intel officer tyrrax intel is always right! -------------------------------------------------
juduzz Amarr Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.07.01 23:31:00 - [192] Originally by: Traxio Nacho Originally by: Bacilius Gee, I wonder why the Bobbits are bumping... [Space Reserved for Breaking Newsflash] FYI I think someone needs to hire a new intel officer but trax IAC have a huge scout network of cloakers.... and the even pass info coded in chinese so it itsnt easy to decode
Seleene Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.07.01 23:42:00 - [193] *** * * Breaking News Flash * * *** I just pulled over 1600 ore units with one strip miner! Holy crap! - THIS FLEET FOR RENT!
Strategos Banned Society	Posted - 2007.07.02 06:25:00 - [194] Originally by: Seleene *** * * Breaking News Flash * * * I just pulled over 1600 ore units with one strip miner! Holy crap! First. ---Sig--- WARNING** Do not look at my portrait for more then two seconds or it will jump out at you and kill you DEAD! Done :) -Ivan K

Ivan Kirilenkov Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.07.02 06:31:00 - [195] Locked, please let thread that don't have any hampster-oomp left in them rest in peace. forum rules \| [email protected] \| Our Website



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