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band0fdevs Gallente Band of Dev's	Posted - 2007.06.18 11:27:00 - [61] Originally by: Drutt Warsong good luck Xelas you guys have class. class is open to debate but good luck to xelas anyway or whats left and where it will end up
Dionisius Gallente Fallen Lords	Posted - 2007.06.18 11:47:00 - [62] Originally by: darth solo Originally by: Delene Just to set things straight with all those calling us cowards for not taking arms against Bob. 1. Xelas existed in Fountain because BOB wanted it there to keep the remains of the old Fountain alliance from gaining ground again. We never claimed to be a power that could defend that space on its own nor we ever made any excuses as to what we were.. Bob vassals. 2. BOB did help us many a time when the waves of hostiles overwhelmed us (read: when every anti-bob jumped at the occasion to hurt BOB, trough hurting Xelas, as if that would work).. but 95% of the time we stood alone to fight day in and day out. 3. Xelas was never a rich alliance. We, for example, weren't allowed to run the 10/10 complex in 'our' space until recently. So keep the stories about ultra rich isk farmers to yourself. The day to day fighting and the lack of income (and I'm talking about alliance level INCOME, not just ratting and mining) kept us from building any real capital fleet.. 4. When BOB decided that Xelas should no longer occupy Fountain we decided to left quietly as doing anything else would just mean losing ships and assets beyond what was lost already.. cowardly? Perheaps to some, but I choose to see it as sensible. Thats actually a good post and raises some things i noticed too. celes apocs plan was always to bait BOB to come to fountain to help XS, we were at our strongest at that time and fancied a good scrap with some BOB. Delve was out of the question alone as the logistics are a nightmare. If we didnt bait out BOB, fountain was to be used as a staging post for gangs into delve. due to sum internal stuff this only happened a few times and BOb quickly ganged up to move our small gangs back. During this time many alliances corps looked into hitting BOB, and wanted standings with us to move through fountain and to use the core systems to base from. What happened then was they always went for the easy option, they would hit XS who as u admit arnt the best PVPers, this used to annoy me, this was never part of the plan. XS were a punch bag for everyone too scared to take on BOB, maybe this could be said for us?, but we were only ever one small corp. The outpost loss in PNQY should have been a wake up call to XS that BOB viewed them as second class and not worthy. IMO plans should have been made then to distance themselves from the BOB pet tag then. We always expected BOb to come and save the day then, scouts were everywhere, i was amazed when they didnt show. good luck XS, it was always fun. d solo. The point of pounding Xelas was to have a "more" safe region to atack BoB, at the time it was the most viable solution as logistics are a real nightmare. Now one thing is clear out of both your posts, the problem didn't lie on capturing territory, the problem was and is always keeping it afterwards. And thats what most invaders failed to do when CELES was in Fountain and BoB shooting ASCN, take advantage of their initial assaults and making fountain a real staging area. And it is a simle matter of strategy, Core, due to stations, PNQY and G95 due to outposts. Now one thing about Xelas fighting, most gangs of Xelas i've seen, when i was blue and then red to them were reduced to "some" bs and many cruisers, sometimes recons, but i've never ever seen them engage foes on equal numbers, and the times Xelas gangs left station could be counted by the fingers of 1 hand. _______________________ What we have here is total lack of respect for the law...
Kryztal Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.18 12:06:00 - [63] So many people who think they know everything posting :P Anyway i got grumpy reading that we hadnt helped XS out so my first post wasnt nice so ill try again. Thank you for the two years we were allied XS, ive got nothing more then respect to you for living under constant threat from noobs that didnt have the balls to go directly for us. Alot of people think we were daft for beeing so patient with XS but they were our allies. Things come to an end and im looking forward to seeing the individual corps of XS blooming and having fun, wether its against us or with us. Im proud to see that even though you were given the pink slip (so to speak) you still held your heads high and left respectfully with as little drama possible. It just shows how stand up guys most you are. I have no worries that you wont find a good home for all your members (excluding the isk farmers) and that youll be on your own two feet in no time :) Good luck ex XS members :) Kryztal
Fei Yen InNova Tech Inc	Posted - 2007.06.18 12:21:00 - [64] Edited by: Fei Yen on 18/06/2007 12:21:47 Edited by: Fei Yen on 18/06/2007 12:20:29 Thank you XS for good time, kudos for those that were constantly fighting and got that stupid "isk farmer" tag. Thank you for all hate from you other people, who I've never seen in fountain that call me isk farmer. And thanks for all those enemies that was not constantly cloaked and picked up a fight.
Tonkin D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.06.18 14:04:00 - [65] i remeber xelas 2 years ago, when i was in vc. we nearly destroyed your allaince with a handful of us, but in the end we got bored and you prevailed. i have more respect to xelas than any other allaince for annoying the s**t out of me, and i have thought all of the major allaince's and you where the only one what was the hardest to kill. not knowing how you fight now and 30mil sp later in eve and your still there due to massive enemy camps invasions in fountain. to come to think of it you are allied to bob but in my opinion you are not there pets, you defend your own space now without bobs intervention, while the other pets cry to mummy. i dont know all the facts about the recent fights down in fountain so dont flame me. bleh flame me i like good banter well done.
Kyrie Elaison GoonFleet	Posted - 2007.06.18 16:15:00 - [66] Originally by: LUKEC Originally by: Faithless F You are bad at this game, just die quietly. I'm still in NOL, awaiting goon arrival. With all the spies in GS, it still amazes me that you guys still don't know how to troll. I suggest you pay the $10 and apply to Epsilon. Your forum skills are equivalent.
Solwolf Gallente BIG Advanced Assault	Posted - 2007.06.18 19:18:00 - [67] I've heard a rumor that Fountain is cursed. It's a rich region that lots of greedy people have their eyes on. I don't want to say anything about Xelas as an alliance. I'll say that there are many individuals worthy of respect... I did have fun fighting against Xelas while I was in Fountain. I saw Blueflame around a lot though mostly as a scout. Still for as hard as he tried, he's worth of respect for what he did. I've always wondered why Cochise, the founder of Xelas left though? I don't recall seeing anything about that here on the propaganda net.
Orree Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.06.18 22:42:00 - [68] Originally by: Kryztal Saying we never came to help you in fountain is a bit much TBH. You can certainly say that again (and be right...again).
Mistress Suffering Einherjar Rising	Posted - 2007.06.18 22:48:00 - [69] Btw, who is scheduled to replace Xelas in Fountain?
Ronin Reborn Dark-Rising Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.06.18 23:16:00 - [70] Dunno if it's a surefire indicator of who will be the new inhabitants of Fountain but.... Slacker Industries (Exhumo Mortis) is in control of the PNQ Station. BTW, please change the name, it's just terrible.
Prolixj2 Gallente Knights Of The Star	Posted - 2007.06.19 03:12:00 - [71] GL Xelas, it was fun
band0fdevs Gallente Band of Dev's	Posted - 2007.06.19 06:54:00 - [72] Originally by: Ronin Reborn Dunno if it's a surefire indicator of who will be the new inhabitants of Fountain but.... Slacker Industries (Exhumo Mortis) is in control of the PNQ Station. BTW, please change the name, it's just terrible. i thought slacker industries was fighting bob did they NAP and bring them into the fold as well ? quickest way to get into the alliance is attack bob in fountain and delve it seems
Proxay Gallente Fallen Angel's	Posted - 2007.06.19 07:03:00 - [73] Originally by: band0fdevs Originally by: Ronin Reborn Dunno if it's a surefire indicator of who will be the new inhabitants of Fountain but.... Slacker Industries (Exhumo Mortis) is in control of the PNQ Station. BTW, please change the name, it's just terrible. i thought slacker industries was fighting bob did they NAP and bring them into the fold as well ? quickest way to get into the alliance is attack bob in fountain and delve it seems You are completely un-informed and are now just saying whatever jumps to mind. Slackers have been bob friendly for...2 years now, something around that. And any entity that has attacked fountain has more often that not, ended up dead, not bob friendly. Fallen Angel's Recruitment
Troubadour Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.06.19 07:21:00 - [74] Originally by: Ronin Reborn Dunno if it's a surefire indicator of who will be the new inhabitants of Fountain but.... Slacker Industries (Exhumo Mortis) is in control of the PNQ Station. BTW, please change the name, it's just terrible. lies. jedi hand wave there are no outposts in fountain.
Teron D'Amun The Burning Orphans Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.06.19 09:38:00 - [75] Originally by: Ronin Reborn (Exhumo Mortis) we aren't into necrophilia
band0fdevs Gallente Band of Dev's	Posted - 2007.06.19 11:38:00 - [76] Originally by: Proxay Originally by: band0fdevs Originally by: Ronin Reborn Dunno if it's a surefire indicator of who will be the new inhabitants of Fountain but.... Slacker Industries (Exhumo Mortis) is in control of the PNQ Station. BTW, please change the name, it's just terrible. i thought slacker industries was fighting bob did they NAP and bring them into the fold as well ? quickest way to get into the alliance is attack bob in fountain and delve it seems You are completely un-informed and are now just saying whatever jumps to mind. Slackers have been bob friendly for...2 years now, something around that. And any entity that has attacked fountain has more often that not, ended up dead, not bob friendly. my badd huff technologies it is
IzzyChan Omerta Syndicate Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.06.19 14:11:00 - [77] Originally by: Ronin Reborn BTW, please change the name, it's just terrible. I wanted to name it "IzzyWorldÖ" but they said no. --------------------
Elizabeth Saxon The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2007.06.19 15:24:00 - [78] BoB never defended? I remember one certain time where i was FCing the squad during the D2 invasion. Trying to get incontact with you was murder. When i finally managed to you spoke to me for about 5 minutes, removed me from TS (banned) and never attempted to join the defence force. Your an awful CEO and im glad your gone.
band0fdevs Gallente Band of Dev's	Posted - 2007.06.19 21:51:00 - [79] Originally by: Elizabeth Saxon BoB never defended? I remember one certain time where i was FCing the squad during the D2 invasion. Trying to get incontact with you was murder. When i finally managed to you spoke to me for about 5 minutes, removed me from TS (banned) and never attempted to join the defence force. Your an awful CEO and im glad your gone. bob alts where high up in xelas ( basically i think it was a bob creation to start with) as those alts left leadership the replacements in xelas basically run it into the ground. xeals are going quitley because i think there are some that will be kept in fountain while the "dead wood" will be removed slacker are a PVP Focused smaller alliance with a supportive but not overly focused industrial wing ( a lot goes on in empire for them anyway) i think white nova is a industrial corp they use ( anyone wanting to war dec it) they wont be as numerous as xelas was ( remember slackers stay below 950 members otherwise uncle molle will kick u out to) 1000 is a magic number he dont like so for all the ninja ratters + ninja miners etc fountain ( if u can get in) will be open ratting territory just remember not many stations just the NPC ones up in the northern part around serpentis prime take 3-4 amarr frigates or ceptors and group rat.
Righteous Fury Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.06.20 00:34:00 - [80] Originally by: band0fdevs Originally by: Elizabeth Saxon BoB never defended? I remember one certain time where i was FCing the squad during the D2 invasion. Trying to get incontact with you was murder. When i finally managed to you spoke to me for about 5 minutes, removed me from TS (banned) and never attempted to join the defence force. Your an awful CEO and im glad your gone. bob alts where high up in xelas ( basically i think it was a bob creation to start with) as those alts left leadership the replacements in xelas basically run it into the ground. xeals are going quitley because i think there are some that will be kept in fountain while the "dead wood" will be removed slacker are a PVP Focused smaller alliance with a supportive but not overly focused industrial wing ( a lot goes on in empire for them anyway) i think white nova is a industrial corp they use ( anyone wanting to war dec it) they wont be as numerous as xelas was ( remember slackers stay below 950 members otherwise uncle molle will kick u out to) 1000 is a magic number he dont like so for all the ninja ratters + ninja miners etc fountain ( if u can get in) will be open ratting territory just remember not many stations just the NPC ones up in the northern part around serpentis prime take 3-4 amarr frigates or ceptors and group rat. Wow, you are so horribly wrong I just don't even know where to start.
UGWidowmaker Caldari Setenta Corp	Posted - 2007.06.20 06:57:00 - [81] yes i even think my ceo thief it is a bob alt. why else give our station that easy away ROFL... who cares its old news lads. lets see into the future now shall we... OMFG I am the widowmaker stay tuned.
HoKu Ziare Middle Finger Technology Ghosts Syndicate	Posted - 2007.06.20 22:10:00 - [82] GL Blue + Crew
Bozl1n Caldari Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.06.21 06:50:00 - [83] Even for me its very easy to find yourself cheering for BoBins here because of Xeles stupidity, but in all truth this is actully another case of BoBins stabs frend in back. Same story Different "frend" To the other "frends" of BoBins Soon Come Sig returned after a victory with the appeal \o/ ;)~
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.21 10:57:00 - [84] Originally by: UGWidowmaker yes i even think my ceo thief it is a bob alt. why else give our station that easy away ROFL... who cares its old news lads. lets see into the future now shall we... Old news?! It's only been a week since Molle's post! CAOD has a longer attention span than that, you know --------
The Hooch Minmatar Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.21 17:27:00 - [85] Well in answer to the OP, if Molle says your dead three times then it's true, and perhaps the 4 members left might imply a few things as well. "turn out the lights the party's overrrrr"
Leandro Salazar The Blackguard Wolves	Posted - 2007.06.22 10:08:00 - [86] The problem with Xelas was the carebearishness of most of them. When I was there, there were a lot of calls for roaming gangs, yet only seldomly did one really take off, and then of the 90 people in alliance chat, only 10 or so would take part, the rest of the gang mainly made up by Axiom. And the gang composition was mostly cruiser-sized ships, for which I won't blame anyone though. I never felt the alliance would be worth risking a BS for myself tbh. I had a lot of fun and did my first real 0.0 steps in Xelas, but really, most of them were worse carebears than the mission running corps I used to hang out with. The eagerness to avoid any pew pew was disturbing for 0.0 dwellers. And the main reason I left again. Yes there were a bunch of good guys in Xelas as well, but the silent majority really had no place in 0.0. Thank you SkyFlyer! There is no 'n' in tur
MoeStyles Catalyst Reaction	Posted - 2007.06.24 17:11:00 - [87] Originally by: Blue Flame It has been 2 years since Xelas was formed and I will not go into the history of Xelas at all. We have had are up and downs just like any alliance in EVE. I do consider Xelas as a training alliance and the reason I do is that we took new corporations into the alliance that never lived in 0.0 space before. We gave them a chance to learn and grow the way thy want to which a lot of other alliance would not. Some of those members from all the different corporations that came and left did join BoB or went to other alliance. About 95% of the time I lived in Fountain, we had hostiles around trying to kill us. Thy were trying to get BoB to come to Fountain to defend Xelas which never worked for them. We most of the time defended ourselves. I guess one of the reasons BoB never came to Fountain to defend us was that we never paid any isk at all to BoB and keep most of the hostiles out of BoB home. So what every one thinks of Xelas is up to them, good or bad. Blue Flame CIC of Xelas A number of people that read this post didn't take the time to read the simple details here. First off Blue stated clearly "Most of the time" Xelas defended itself. It's not to say we never seen outside help including from BOB. When Blue stated that BOB didn't come to defend us, some of you guys from BOB need to understand this and rethink your replies, he was speaking more specificially when we were being attacked to attempt to distract BOB from objectives you had in progress while fighting Cyvok and his merry men. It's never to say that BOB did not help to defend and work with Xelas. People shouldn't read into Blue's words more than what he's posted here. We had plenty of help from BOB in the year I was part of Xelas and I am proud to say that the relationship was a good one until recently and I feel that most of it was a lack of communications and probably in part due to gossip and miscommunications between BOB and Xelas that caused the eventual departure and disolving of Xelas. I have nothing but respect for BOB and their pilots. I've seen some truly amazing things in the last several years playing Eve and by far living in Fountain and being part of the activities in Fountain were some of the best moments. As far as the training alliance, it's sad to say this was the case which caused a lot of problems for the alliance with getting responsible leadership to help get pvpers on the front lines. People would give up and run away while the core of solid Xelas pilots were left to try and do what they could to defend against numbers that doubled and tripled Xelas numbers on hand at a given time. As Blue said, a number of those folks moved on to joining corps in BOB or left to go forge their own alliances, or left 0.0 altogether. We gave everyone a chance which is far more than most can say they would do. Xelas survived against Celes and outlasted them in Fountain and anyone that knows Celes at all knows they are damn good pilots. Respect to Celes, great fights and fun times even through the smack from both sides :) It was an honor. I'd also like to thank Mitch Taylor and Blue Flame for inviting us to be a part of Xelas and wish BOB all the best and hope that any feelings of ill will between former Xelas corps and BOB can be put behind us. To the rest of the former Xelas corps, cheers guys and hope to see you guys around soon. Cheers and fly safe.. -Moe --
Nicocat Caldari New Age Solutions New Age Solutions Amalgamated	Posted - 2007.06.25 01:14:00 - [88] Most of their isk farmers have left. I think, without their infrastructure, Xelas' time is limited. Also, where did you guys go? I want my officer-loot badger spawns again ;) Originally by: Splagada SEED ME DADDY Down with alts! One character per account per IP!
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.25 01:19:00 - [89] Originally by: Nicocat Most of their isk farmers have left. I think, without their infrastructure, Xelas' time is limited. Also, where did you guys go? I want my officer-loot badger spawns again ;) Seeing as they're down to only 4 members now, from over 1000 a week or so ago, I think it's pretty fair to say their time is more than limited It may or may not be true that there were only 4 authentic members and 996 isk farmers, but I wouldn't care to make that judgement call. --------
MoeStyles Catalyst Reaction	Posted - 2007.06.25 05:27:00 - [90] When Blue posted, Xelas was already in the process of disolving. So call it official, Xelas is gone. --

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